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  • oiaohm
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    Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
    Yeah but afaik this is never ever used and the vendor prefers to use their own executable and applications.
    There is a control issue using Windows update to ship out firmware. Vendors prefer to use their own update system on windows a lot so that a bad firmware image can be quickly made not accessible. Lot of ways I think the fwupd design is a more suitable design for what vendors want. The means to have a repository absolutely under the hardware vendors control can be very important feature windows update solution is not providing.

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  • oiaohm
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    Originally posted by Britoid View Post
    Windows Update can install firmware in a similar way to fwupd, fwupd can even read Windows Update cab files.
    There is a difference here. With windows update method of installing firmware the firmware has to be placed on the Windows Update servers. fwupd vendor can keep the firmware on their own controlled servers.

    When you think about the case you by mistake send out a goofed up firmware if you are running your own fwupd repository you can stop people getting the firmware faster than having to talk to Microsoft and get them pull it from the windows update repository.

    Reading the cab files make it simple for those who have already done their firmware up for windows to release on https://fwupd.org/lvfs/ for Linux.

    The question is if fwupd end up working well on Windows. With the fact as vendor you can run your own repo would you still bother about Windows Update method it would seam like duplication and lack of control.

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  • starshipeleven
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    Originally posted by cybertraveler View Post
    When two fish meet, it's usually the smaller one that gets extinguished when there is a... merging.
    good thing that software has nothing to do with fish then.

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  • starshipeleven
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    Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
    Isn't on Windows that is already covered by Windows Update for years? Like with LVFS it's depend on vendor if they decide to put firmware on Windows Update or not.
    Yeah but afaik this is never ever used and the vendor prefers to use their own executable and applications.

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  • Britoid
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    Originally posted by Ipkh View Post
    Windows update generally only delivers driver updates. Firmware generally isn't conducive to an automated update in Windiws world. Especially since a bad update can brick your device or leave your device inoperable while being updated. Generally a bad idea on a mass market OS.
    The Linux fwupd system looks very good and could make it much easier on Windows to update firmware, especially durring the boot process before the interactive gui comes up.
    Windows Update can install firmware in a similar way to fwupd, fwupd can even read Windows Update cab files.

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  • Ipkh
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    Windows update generally only delivers driver updates. Firmware generally isn't conducive to an automated update in Windiws world. Especially since a bad update can brick your device or leave your device inoperable while being updated. Generally a bad idea on a mass market OS.
    The Linux fwupd system looks very good and could make it much easier on Windows to update firmware, especially durring the boot process before the interactive gui comes up.

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  • cybertraveler
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    Originally posted by SWY1985 View Post
    Good... the beginning of the end for Windows: Embrace, extend, and extinguish
    When two fish meet, it's usually the smaller one that gets extinguished when there is a... merging.

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  • Rob72
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    Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
    Isn't on Windows that is already covered by Windows Update for years? Like with LVFS it's depend on vendor if they decide to put firmware on Windows Update or not.
    Basically, it depends. If you have a notebook or PC from one of the major vendors, they will typically have some program to check for updates and offer to install them for you. But if you add 3rd party options, or if you build your own PC, those options will each have to install their own app to check for firmware updates. And some simply don't bother, or perhaps you don't want 10 different apps checking for firmware updates, each with their own potential security and privacy issues.

    For instance, I have a Logitech wireless mouse that had been used on Windows 10 for a few months with the latest Logitech software installed. I then plugged it into my Linux machine and fwupd notified me that a firmware update was available for the dongle. A firmware update that had been available for a long time, but the windows software never bothered to update or even notify me that an update was available.
    Last edited by Rob72; 12-31-2019, 05:28 AM.

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  • sandy8925
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    Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
    Isn't on Windows that is already covered by Windows Update for years? Like with LVFS it's depend on vendor if they decide to put firmware on Windows Update or not.
    Well most OEMs also provide custom firmware/software update applications, through which they normally distribute driver and BIOS/UEFI updates. Unless they change those applications to use fwupd, there's not much point to fwupd on Windows.

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  • RussianNeuroMancer
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    Isn't on Windows that is already covered by Windows Update for years? Like with LVFS it's depend on vendor if they decide to put firmware on Windows Update or not.

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