Phoronix IRC Log: 2010-08-03
L4B-away: Hey folks.
Love4Boobies: Any "official" Phoronix people here?
mikeplus64: There's michaellarabel.
Love4Boobies: michaellarabel: Great, you're the one who wrote http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_win7_ws&num=4
Love4Boobies: Care to discuss it? :)
Love4Boobies: mikeplus64: Thanks :)
Love4Boobies: Anyway, the article is dead wrong and that benchmark (like most of them) is not fair at all.
Love4Boobies: IOzone under Windows works under Cygwin, which is an emulation layer, it uses pthreads and mmap().
Love4Boobies: On the other hand, IOzone runs natively under Linux.
Love4Boobies: Benchmarks should never be done under emulation layers, of course performance will be affected.
Love4Boobies: Try another benchmarking software that's native to Windows and run it under Wine in Linux and see what happens ;)
FliPPeh_: Woah, WikiLeaks vs USA is really starting to become serious
FliPPeh_: The publishing of afghanistan documents got them lots of trouble
mikeplus64: FliPPeh_: It's not WikiLeaks vs USA.
mikeplus64: It's the internet vs USA.
FliPPeh_: vs every government?
FliPPeh_: Well, they're spreading a new document, Insurance.aes256 to everyone who wants it, over 1.4 GB
FliPPeh_: In case something happens to Assange or his co-workers, the key will be published
sannn: there were 3 mayor newspapers who spread the word as well right?
FliPPeh_: Seems to be pretty sensitive information
RambJoe: is this real life
xdealmeida: Hello ALL
dandel: hey michaellarabel i thought of a good test that could be done for the pts... opengl conformance and comparisons. This should be useful for finding buggy drivers.
xdealmeida: Do we know what features/bugs are planning to be added/solved in the next ATI driver release? 10.8
dandel: Might have opengl 4.1 tho
MVXA: err, you mean ogl 1.4?
xdealmeida: is there any benefit between kernel 2.6.34 and 2.6.35 for evergreen cards?
Beretta021: can someone give mi OpenDNS Ips
xlemming: 220.127.116.11, 18.104.22.168
Flyser__: MVXA: ? 4.1
xdealmeida: why to use openDNS servers instead of local provider ones? to avoid knowing where we surf?? that s it
CME: mhh, assassins creed works in wine with llvmpipe
Flyser__: CME: fps? 2?
Flyser__: or even 3?
CME: 1-3 yeah, but faster than the nvidia software fallback (0.2fps)
Flyser__: with nouveau?
CME: no nvidia
CME: but just a gf7
Flyser__: why does it fall back to software?
CME: too complex shaders
Flyser__: I see
s_20: there there
dandel: michaellarabel, the phoronix gui crashes once one gets php-gtk working on ubuntu 10.04
michaellarabel: dandel: What version of PTS?
dandel: latest git
dandel: PHP Fatal error: Call to protected method pts_result_comparisons::process_reference_comparison_hashes() from context 'pts_client' in /home/dandel/projects/pts/phoronix-test-suite2/pts-core/objects/pts_client.php on line 1044
IgnisInCaelum: hugs Hertta
michaellarabel: dandel: Whoops, okay, I haven't run the GUI in a number of weeks.
dandel: ubuntu 10.04 with latest php-gtk fails
dandel: i'm getting information to make the gui work
michaellarabel: that fatal error should now be fixed in Git
dandel: i'm making ya smash all sorts of bugs lol.
dandel: PHP Notice: Undefined offset: 0 in /home/dandel/projects/pts/phoronix-test-suite2/pts-core/objects/phodevi/parsers/phodevi_linux_parser.php on line 684
dandel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/472840/ (Here ya go, painless method to install php-gtk on ubuntu 10.04, after a few script fixes
dandel: oh, and the whole suites and tests are empty
dandel: http://a.imageshack.us/img155/148/ptsnotests.png (screenshot)
dandel: oh and i can't close the gui from the task bar, right click and left click has no menu
dandel: good thing i had it PHP Notice: Undefined variable: i in /home/dandel/projects/pts/phoronix-test-suite2/pts-core/library/pts-includes-gtk.php on line 162
dandel: PHP Notice: Undefined index: in /home/dandel/projects/pts/phoronix-test-suite2/pts-core/library/pts-includes-gtk.php on line 162
dandel: all sorts of bugs
dandel: and pts 2.6.1 works on the latest php-gtk
dandel: however, i haft to input a few things in the command line with the pts 2.6.1 ><;
dandel: and 2.6.1 after running a test and not saving results will not let you view the results during the session 0o'
dandel: and 2.6.1, when i do a file -> quit leaves the window open.
dandel: hmm... installed tests show, but available tests are empty
dandel: this is on the latest git
dandel: 2.8.0b1 according to the application.
dandel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/472843/ (The error which prompts me to believe that this is what prevents the test from running)
michaellarabel: Okay, lots of regressions since 2.6... I'll run the GUI again shortly and just work out all the problems in one swoop. There was tons of function breakage between 2.6 and 2.8 for preemptive 3.0 changes.
michaellarabel: No, that error in phodevi_linux_parser wouldn't hold up the testing at all.
dandel: but that's an error that throws only when in gui mode
dandel: and occasionally when the gui is running
dandel: i haft to provide keyboard input to the terminal to get the app to go anywhere.
michaellarabel: Right but it's a harmless error that will be addressed in my next commit
michaellarabel: Soon as I am on a system with PHP5 GTK installed it will all be very quickly fixed.
dandel: PHP Notice: Undefined variable: specific_reference_ids in /home/dandel/projects/pts/phoronix-test-suite2/pts-core/objects/pts_result_comparisons.php on line 53
dandel: i'm definitely spotting things that fall apart left and right
michaellarabel: Yeah, I am not too surprised though since it's just the GUI and I figured at this stage it would be a mess.
dandel: run a test in either one without saving the results and you can't even view what you got
michaellarabel: what do you mean? If you don't save the results it should only print the output to the terminal
dandel: yes, it does.
dandel: but end users will look at the gui only
michaellarabel: I may end up making it when running from GUI to auto-save results.
dandel: use a temp directory that is erased on exit.
dandel: however 2.6.1 and 2.8.x both won't let the application quit when i close via the gui and i haft to ctrl+c the task
michaellarabel: hmmm odd
dandel: file -> quit, and it hangs.
michaellarabel: I'll take a look at it all very soon.
michaellarabel: The CLI is where I focus probably 96% of my energy on
dandel: and closing via the window manager just puts the task in the menu bar, where it's impossible to control from there.
dandel: and on the first run, you haft to input things to the terminal no matter what.
FliPPeh_: It's addicting
FliPPeh_: I don't need no more steam on linux
dandel: hmm... Runnning pts 2.6.1 w/o termina and not saving results still leads to the bug i was talking about before. (except for you can't even view the results now lol)
IgnisInCaelum: FliPPeh_: Flip!
FliPPeh_: IgnisInCaelum: SUP
dandel: 2.6.1 will also state the wrong counter on test run times via gui... For example fglrx gears says 5 test runs, but instead does 10 test runs.
FliPPeh_: It operates in valve time
FliPPeh_: "Finished soon" -> "It'll take a while"
dandel: 0o' i installed the fglrx gears test, and that does not appear in the latest git
dandel: michaellarabel, the unigine demos fail to download on latest git because the url is no longer in use
michaellarabel: Hmm, really? Try again, sometimes the Unigine server is a pain but I just used it a day ago.
dandel: gives me a 404
dandel: a more reliable mirror than unigine's server is probably the best fix
dandel: i know techpowerup has a couple of mirrors of the unigine heaven, and it might be possible to request that they also host the other benchmarks
dandel: hmm... odd... it took me 10 tries just to get the file... definitely need a new mirror on that
dandel: hmm... errors occur when you try to retry the installer
dandel: PHP Warning: symlink(): File exists in /home/dandel/projects/pts/phoronix-test-suite2/pts-core/objects/pts_test_installer.php on line 500
dandel: hmm... on the opengl tests, how many times are each test supposed to run?
dandel: the current git repo has the tests run 2x the total.
dandel: so, if it says it will run 3 times, it will instead run 6 times.
michaellarabel: dandel: Only if the test results vary too much
RambJoe: any news on steam?
RambJoe: so its a no?
FliPPeh_: I'll let you interpret :)
FliPPeh_: I found a good way to pass time
FliPPeh_: A bad good way
FliPPeh_: I became addicted to Minecraft.
FliPPeh_: A native linux game, had to buy it :)
RambJoe: is it true compiling stuff on my own system has like a 1% speed gain
RambJoe: is it a 3d game?
FliPPeh_: It's VERY 3D actually, you can turn anaglyphic 3D on
FliPPeh_: And play with red-cyan 3D glasses
RambJoe: does it support
FliPPeh_: But the game is definitly NOT about graphics
RambJoe: yellow and blue
FliPPeh_: It's a world made completely out of blocks
FliPPeh_: No fancy round things at all
FliPPeh_: But I think that makes it fun :)
RambJoe: would it be a smart idea to install the kernel from the AUR
RambJoe: so i compile it
RambJoe: or would there be no speed gain
FliPPeh_: More pain than gain I'd say
FliPPeh_: The better question is whether it'll be a NOTICEABLE gain!
RambJoe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWPk5zlKAEM is that it
FliPPeh_: That's an older version
FliPPeh_: But yes, that's it
FliPPeh_: That's Minecraft classic and the current one is minecraft alpha
FliPPeh_: There's an update every 2 days or so ;d
FliPPeh_: But that earth is awesome
FliPPeh_: Took them weeks I guess
Hertta: RambJoe: What kind of speed gain would you be expecting from a piece of software that you hardly have to wait for? :p
RambJoe: hmm this firefox nightly build in the aur hasn't been upgraded in a few days
RambJoe: and its pretty buggy
RambJoe: actually i should just install anyway as it donwloads it from the ftop
FliPPeh_: God darn, now I remember why minecraft is so addicting
FliPPeh_: You dig a nice tunnel to find some coal or iron and bam, you find a huge cave with 5 new ways forking out. The urge to explore kick in and you either get lost in the huge cave system or die in a pond of lava :(
FliPPeh_: God, I love stereoscopic 3D
FliPPeh_: Even the old red-cyan stuff looks good
Azerthoth: michaellarabel, ping
CyberKitsune: Hey Guys. I found something regarding Steam/Linux
CyberKitsune: Under Responsibilities
CyberKitsune: Note the:
CyberKitsune: Port Windows-based games to the Linux platform.
CyberKitsune: Hmm. I wonder why valve would be looking for somebody with that skill.
IgnisInCaelum: chucks FliPPeh_ into a pit of lava
IgnisInCaelum: Also, can we get someone to talking about Steam on Linux?
IgnisInCaelum: There's just not enough of that
IgnisInCaelum: s/talk about/make another inane reference to
Gnurdux: someone as in michaellarabel ?
IgnisInCaelum: Anyone at all, really. One just can't get tired of reading "OMGOMGOMG STEAM ON LINUX LOL"
bkero: cyberkitsune_: They do it to port game servers