Phoronix IRC Log: 2010-06-23
mikeplus64: "NVIDIA Promotes 256.35 Driver To Official Release"
mikeplus64: I think a simple "NVIDIA 256.35 driver officially released" would have done better
mikeplus64: Or "NVIDIA 256.35 Linux Driver Released"
mikeplus64: Just anything but that headline that's there now.
FliPPeh: Oh sweet
FliPPeh: The neighboors kids got vuvuzelas
FliPPeh: I never hated children as much as I do now
asraniel: FliPPeh: we have one in class (revising for exams). today one figured out how to make different sounds with it and is now able to make a little song
FliPPeh: asraniel: Is it as annoying as it sounds?
asraniel: FliPPeh: so annoying that it's fun again
FliPPeh: I want to believe... BUT I CAN'T! Those moron-trompets are never fun!
LibertyZero: Breaking balls Sonata - for Vuvuzela | http://www.mlkstudios.com/Breaking_balls_Sonata.jpg
asraniel: FliPPeh: i kind of like them, as long as its not all the time
djura-san: FliPPeh: i agree. That is the stupidest thing since mamuts
djura-san: (the vuvuzela thingie)
FliPPeh: The deciding game for germany takes place today
FliPPeh: Neighboors gonna go apeshit
FliPPeh: I hope germany loses today, no world cup for us, silence for me
RambJoe: i made xchat start on startup
RambJoe: and now its stopping openbox from loading
RambJoe: and i cant find the file xchat is in
FliPPeh: HOW are you autostarting xChat?
FliPPeh: That is kind of a big deal :)
RambJoe: um i duno
RambJoe: its not in .xinitrc
FliPPeh: but you gotta now!
FliPPeh: Is it started right now? Is openbox blocked right now?
RambJoe: not in there
RambJoe: yeah openbox isn't loading
RambJoe: and its not in rc.local or anythin :S
FliPPeh: To find out which process started it, you can enter "ps f" in console
RambJoe: ok thanks
FliPPeh: displays a nice tree
RambJoe: openbox started it
RambJoe: think i put it in an openbox config file
FliPPeh: Probably :)
FliPPeh: If it runs arbitrary shell commands, just change "xchat" to "xchat&"
RambJoe: thanks it worked :)
RambJoe: the & thing
FliPPeh: No problem!
FliPPeh: Was a nice break for me
FliPPeh: Just "finished" writing a P2P network
FliPPeh: 456 lines of code :/
Daekdroom: I suppose it doesn't have any magic way of barring peers that make it ineffective o.o
FliPPeh: It does not do anything yet
FliPPeh: It does implement a listening server and it keeps track of peers that connect
FliPPeh: connected peers get linked with a re-connect, blah blah
Daekdroom: Sort of what ED2k does?
FliPPeh: I don't know what ED2k does :x
FliPPeh: I plan on adding some chat features
FliPPeh: for fun
Daekdroom: Huh.. you connect to a server and it gives you peers? o.o
FliPPeh: No :)
FliPPeh: I connect to a server which itself is a single node, and this gives me all the nodes it knows
FliPPeh: no central "these guys are online" server
Daekdroom: I think that already exists under the name of Kademlia
FliPPeh: Basically a node always has to know at least ONE adress of the network, but then it's fully integrated
tkmorris: blah blah blah steam
Gnurdux: michaellarabel, made yet another steam reference today
Gnurdux: again without real evidence
GNU\colossus: I just cancelled my premium subscription
FliPPeh: Wait what
RambJoe: what was that hd tv card again
FliPPeh: Alright, there is no real evidence FOR nor AGAINST steam for linux
FliPPeh: The claim that valve officially announced it originated from thetime
Gnurdux: but michaellarabel keeps dropping these references
FliPPeh: Should blame them
Gnurdux: blame who?
FliPPeh: Yet another news page
FliPPeh: Something with time.
FliPPeh: Correcting: the ingquirer
FliPPeh: or wait.
FliPPeh: I'm confused
FliPPeh: Ah here
FliPPeh: The Telegraph
FliPPeh: "Valve has also confirmed that it will make Steam available to Linux users in the coming months"
FliPPeh: This is where it came from
onny: steam for linux confirmed? :O
FliPPeh: That news is from May 12th
FliPPeh: Geez, I think I'm not the only one who has highlights on the word "steam"
tkmorris: I do
debris: highlights ??
tkmorris: *I do have highlights too
FliPPeh: red flashing traybar or something
FliPPeh: Or a kick to the grain for each occurence of that word
FliPPeh: steam steam steam steam
FliPPeh: Anyone hurt?
tkmorris: sound notifications
debris: meaning IRC beeps when "steam" is mentioned ??
FliPPeh: IRC doesn't beep
FliPPeh: IRC is a protocol
debris: I know that
tkmorris: irssi does, it's a horse sound
thomashc: you know what he meant, FliPPeh ;)
FliPPeh: I just wanted to be a smartass
thomashc: well, he could have said your mom beeps
thomashc: but he missed that oppurtunity
debris: I'm very rabid about steam but I haven't turned on beeps yet
FliPPeh: Now it'S too late
debris: I'll save it for later
FliPPeh: That's what she said
FliPPeh: Yes. Yes it is.
RambJoe: anyone know an hd tvcard that works on linux
RambJoe: someone said one here a few days ago but i lost it in history :(
RambJoe: any dvb-s2 cards on linux?
RambJoe: http://store.steampowered.com/news/3976/ OGM
RambJoe: BRB WINDOWS
giselher: RambJoe: OMG
asraniel: people still play counter strike?
FliPPeh: Oh god
asraniel: thinks he is missing something
FliPPeh: Whenever I played counter strike earlier, it was like playing with CHILDREN
FliPPeh: Only being bitchy
Sir_Brizz: FliPPeh: that's because only children play counter strike
Sir_Brizz: and adults who are still children
FliPPeh: TF2 and ZP:S are where the action is
FliPPeh: Best games ever
debris: Aren't we all.....adults who are still children ?
debris: The kiddies playing CSS like it because of all the hacks and cheats
debris: Can you bunny hop and get a headshot in the same motion ??
FliPPeh: I once did!
FliPPeh: But with luck.
FliPPeh: And it wasn't exactly a player of the opposite team.
debris: hehe FliP
debris: I'm not following that ninja. GEt me killed.
debris: Can you bunny hop in TF2. Seems like that kind of game.....twitchy.
FliPPeh: You don't really need to aim in TF2 unless you're a sniper
FliPPeh: Everything has either a 1m spread with rapidfire or explosive
debris: So if your on the same screen as your attacker , your dead?
debris: keep moving, never stop?
debris: I've seen gameplay footage. Looks kinda funny the way people move so fast
FliPPeh: It is funny :)
debris: I just got Orange Box so I'll be installing soon.
robotti^: http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_under_Linux <-- if you have noticed
robotti^: Please note: Games run with these methods will be slower than running them on Windows because the games are not native executable files. To get the best performance we will need to wait for Valve to release a native Steam client (which is now confirmed).
FliPPeh: It's a wiki
FliPPeh: Anyone could have edited that in after phoronix reported!
robotti^: yes :D but it was funny because it is Valve Developer wiki
FliPPeh: YOUS TROLLIN
debris: why is that funny?
robotti^: debris: because people seems take it very seriously. that steam will be released to linux. And there is no actual annoucement from Valve
FliPPeh: There won't be until they have something to show, should they do it
FliPPeh: I'll remain optimistic
FliPPeh: Linux has gain a whole lot of market share since ubuntu
ModplanMan: robotti we take it seriously because there was a surprisingly far along alpha client
debris: yeah, I thought there was info about them having an alpha running somewhere
ModplanMan: I still have the alpha
debris: wha? you do? trolling ??
ModplanMan: but it can no longer update itself. Valve blocked access to the site where it could be downloaded from
debris: how well did it work? what games?
FliPPeh: No games
FliPPeh: There was a small splash screen
ModplanMan: no games worked, like I said, alpha
FliPPeh: AND MY MOUSE CURORS DISAPPEARED!
debris: ooh shiny !!
ModplanMan: there was more than a splash screen, but it needed some fixing
ModplanMan: mastertheknife and a few others fixed one or 2 bugs, it could eventally bring up the main window and news window
FliPPeh: ModplanMan: How much was there? I only got to the splash
ModplanMan: FliPPeh, see the screenshot
tkmorris: The majority of Osmos sales come from portals — in particular, Steam. (Steam’s recent addition of Mac support has had a huge effect on our Mac numbers.)
FliPPeh: So that's not the wine client in the background?
FliPPeh: Looks interesting!
FliPPeh: Didn't know it was THAT far
ModplanMan: someone nearly got fonts working, but not very well (black squares or garbled lines)
debris: cool beans !!! thx Mod
FliPPeh: Are they using their own interface rendering?
ModplanMan: but yeah, some major things missing, but it's promising
FliPPeh: It's better than nothing at all
ModplanMan: AFAIK it's opengl + X11, you'd have to ask mastertheknife or some such
FliPPeh: kay :)
debris: way cool
tkmorris: "So in the bigger picture, the lack of a strong Linux portal makes it a much less “competitive” OS for commercial development. Of course, if Steam or another successful digital distribution portal decides to support Linux, that’d be major! Like… extra gravy. With stuffing. Mmmmm… stuffing…"
FliPPeh: Games are among the only thing holding back linux from the mass
FliPPeh: Most important software can either run inside WINE or there's alternatives
ModplanMan: tkmorris the value of a portal is easy finding + marketing. More/better advertising and (hopefully) better package management (like Ubuntu software centre) will help a lot
tkmorris: it's not me saying
tkmorris: quote from http://www.hemispheregames.com/2010/06/23/linux-the-numbers/
ModplanMan: I know, just felt like adding that
FliPPeh: Segmentation Fault!
FliPPeh: smashes something
FliPPeh: That's what happens when you have a single string, pass it to some function which passes the pointer to the pointer to the string to another function which modifies it and passes it to 4 other functions
FliPPeh: bites the keyboard
tkmorris: nice adding
tkmorris: a Lightning confirmed steam for Linux! http://developer.valvesoftware.com/w/index.php?title=Steam_under_Linux&diff=134847&oldid=134342
tkmorris: and he/she has only one contribution: http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lightning
FliPPeh: You see, quoting phoronix!
FliPPeh: I've seen all sources repeating phoronix
FliPPeh: Except for the inquirer
FliPPeh: That one just says valve confirmed it
ModplanMan: LINUX FOR STEAM CONFIRMED
FliPPeh: Microsoft Linux CONFIRMED
FliPPeh: s/kernel panic/bluescreen
tkmorris: maybe Lightning is actually Gabe, with a strange nickname
FliPPeh: And maybe I am Gabe with an ingenious nickname!
ModplanMan: Gabe is sneaky. He's hiding the Linux client under his belly
FliPPeh: ,oO(Shouldn't have told them)
tkmorris: maybe he is waiting
tkmorris: for GNU/Linux to become "more open"
FliPPeh: More open?
FliPPeh: God damnit, download the kernel source and change all references to "panic" to "puppy"
FliPPeh: That's how open we are!
tkmorris: nah, I guess he dislikes puppies :\
FliPPeh: Who could?
FliPPeh: That's madness
FliPPeh: I DON'T BELIEVE YOU, YOU'RE A MAD MAN
Daekdroom: Kernel puppy?
FliPPeh: Kernel puppy <3
Daekdroom: I'd rather it be puppy panic.
Daekdroom: "My puppy panic'd! I blame EXT4!"
FliPPeh: Puppy panic <3
FliPPeh: is in love
FliPPeh: And everything that's really bad gets called "kitten"
FliPPeh: Like segfault
Daekdroom: Kitten's fault?
FliPPeh: "SIGSEGV" "SIGKITTEN"
Daekdroom: How the hell?
Daekdroom: I did a standard print and it came White-in-black, not black-in-white..
FliPPeh: Paper print?
Daekdroom: What else?
FliPPeh: I can do this all night.
Daekdroom: I still feel guilty because I didn't look while it was printing..
Daekdroom: It printed a whole page with.. black ink? o.o
FliPPeh_: White font and black paper?
FliPPeh_: That's your printer acting on behalf of his vendors.
FliPPeh_: They want you to buy ink again
tkmorris: especially white, it's all colors combined
FliPPeh_: Oh go
Daekdroom: tkmorris, that's for light, not for ink.
Daekdroom: Ink is the exact opposite D:
tkmorris: but I did it on sixth grade :\
FliPPeh_: Well, for 2000 EUR / litre of ink, I think they could have made that possible
Daekdroom: I wouldn't complain if this paper was writtible..
Daekdroom: But it's not mine and it's really difficult to write on this black thing :p
Daekdroom: and.. I think I'm out of ink..
FliPPeh_: Printer industry is mafia
FliPPeh_: Oh god, and here I am wondering why my program works
FliPPeh_: All this web 2.0 crap
FliPPeh_: Expandable stuff here
FliPPeh_: Collapsable things there
FliPPeh_: like this, dislike that
FliPPeh_: Fuzzy times
FliPPeh_: Not displaysing how many pages there are in total, but displaying [n-3, n-2, n-1, n, n+1, n+2, n+3]
FliPPeh_: I can't take it anymore :(
FliPPeh_: When I want to see when someone posted something, I want to see DD/MM/YYYY, HH:MM:SS
FliPPeh_: Not "x years ago"
FliPPeh_: To the future reader of my monoloque: Thanks for listening
Daekdroom: FliPPeh_, that's a good observation.
FliPPeh_: THE FUTURE IS NOW
Daekdroom: About the date..
Daekdroom: Didn't quite understand the rest..
Kovensky: I want to see YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS
Kovensky: plz2follow ISO 8601
Daekdroom: That's what I understood.
FliPPeh_: You know on youtube, if you want to see the full comments on a video, you have to expand the comment area
FliPPeh_: Then expand the rating area
FliPPeh_: Basically like a "more" button
FliPPeh_: And the shit facebook started, "Like"
Daekdroom: It's far better than when you had to go to another page. :S
FliPPeh_: Youtube implement it
FliPPeh_: Anyone else is doing it
Kovensky: FliPPeh_: you are a poor soul, for you actually read youtube comments
FliPPeh_: Noo, not those comments
FliPPeh_: I meant the video describtion
Tazer: Any updates on Valve yet?
FliPPeh_: Also, youtube comments are good for starting flamewars
FliPPeh_: AJFKALSJFLKAJ STEAM
Kovensky: anyway, it's much better than downloading 100kb worth of comments instead of just having "moar"
Kovensky: oh, you mean the description area
Kovensky: yea, that's dumb
FliPPeh_: Oh hi tkmorris
Daekdroom: That's way too dumb.
FliPPeh_: Wikipedia has done it, too
Daekdroom: Wikipedia? Noooo
FliPPeh_: With the languages.
FliPPeh_: You have to EXPAND THE FREAKING LANGUAG ELIST
Tazer: yeah, tkmorris
thomashc: I would just like to share this: http://i.imgur.com/fZIjg.jpg
Daekdroom: Why the hell do we have widescreen flats? Use the damn AREA..
FliPPeh_: It never stole ANY PLACE1
Kovensky: FliPPeh_ | With the languages. <-- no, it's done it with almost everything on the sidebar
Kovensky: also, I agree with shortening the language list since it tended to get humongous and often much longer than some articles
Tazer: nothing? ):
FliPPeh_: But the language thing annoyed me the most
Kovensky: but not everything else
Daekdroom: Smiiile like you mean it!
Daekdroom: Ok, go back to whatever conversation you were having.
FliPPeh_: I can rant some more
FliPPeh_: I'm sure I can pull out more.
Kovensky: this was a rant war :D
FliPPeh_: Oh yes
FliPPeh_: Now what the hell is up with that?
Tazer: sadfacing forever
Daekdroom: Wut is dat?
FliPPeh_: The stuff blogs implement
FliPPeh_: Where some blog pings another blog to let it know it's referencing on it
Daekdroom: The thing that automatically comments when you quote something?
Daekdroom: Completely useless.
FliPPeh_: That's what I'm talking 'bout.
Kovensky: wordpress made tracebacks precisely to keep that stuff out of comments
Daekdroom: But Web 2.0 isn't so bad..
Daekdroom: Nanotechnology is far more scary..
Kovensky: yeah, there's more flamewars
Kovensky: VP8! H.264!
FliPPeh_: OGG THEORA FTW!
FliPPeh_: Nanotechnologie is awesome
Daekdroom: OGG is outdated..
FliPPeh_: It makes batteries so much better!
Daekdroom: As long as it's not inside human body, I'm alright..
Daekdroom: Puppy panic!
drelyn86: does anyone know if the nvidia 256.35 release supports Xorg 1.8?
FliPPeh_: I was just about to find out
FliPPeh_: But I can't update Xorg without updating nvidia.
FliPPeh_: Updated Xorg would be 1.8 and nvidia 256.36
drelyn86: you running Archlinux?
drelyn86: me too
drelyn86: I can't believe they actually recommended the nouveau driver
FliPPeh_: It's good unless you need to play games
Daekdroom: For most of the Open source community, OSS > binary blobs
drelyn86: not just games... any type of opengl acceleration takes a hit
Daekdroom: But the OSS driver is stable
Daekdroom: (even the bleeding edge one)
FliPPeh_: Packages updated
drelyn86: composited graphics are a must for me... not because of eye candy... I actually find compiz and kwin to be more productive
drelyn86: let me know how it goes
FliPPeh: But now that Xorg ignore HAL settings...
FliPPeh: my keyboard layout is fucked up.
drelyn86: what layout do you use?
FliPPeh: Those are z
drelyn86: hmm... hopefully en/US is ok
FliPPeh: Let|s see how to fix this...
FliPPeh: drelyn86: en/US is ALWAZS ok
FliPPeh: It is default
FliPPeh: Mz kezboard now acts like en/US
drelyn86: we're number 1! USA! USA!.. .oh um... default? oh okay. nevermind
FliPPeh: Fixed :)
FliPPeh: I like it this way
FliPPeh: Now the configuration isn't splitted accross programs and directories
Tazer: is anyone else running steam via wine that can help me?
FliPPeh: I was hoping for big breakage
FliPPeh: I'm running steam with wine
FliPPeh: And it runs awesome.
Tazer: because steam decided that my account was disabled ):
Tazer: And i dont know why ;o;
Tazer: I dont hack
drelyn86: yeah steam runs pretty good now due to the webkit switch
Tazer: the closest i could come is i have world of goo but even that's legit, just not the steam version
Tazer: And apparently a friend of mine had this, but it fixed itself when he deleted clientregistry.blob
Tazer: but that doesnt seem to work for me
FliPPeh: Do you have windows to test?
Tazer: I /do/ have os x
Tazer: but thats it ):
FliPPeh: Well, try on OSX ;x
Tazer: alright, i suppose i will
Tazer: meanwhile i wait for it to finish
Tazer: i dont suppose you play l4d2/have gotten it working well?
Tazer: or if you could tell me just how much impact wine-debug has on game performance
drelyn86: I play garrysmod through steam... never really even got l4d working well
FliPPeh: I play TF2 and zombie panic source daily
FliPPeh: Windows-like performance.
drelyn86: TF2 has to be turned down really low for me
drelyn86: what card are you using?\
FliPPeh: GeForce 9800 GTX+
Tazer: I've got a 9400M
drelyn86: 9600 GT here
Tazer: I was able to get L4D2 and L4D to work JUST BELOW what I could accept
Tazer: the fps was just bad enough to make me unwilling to play
Tazer: well brb
FliPPeh: Well, left 4 dead is kind of a big deal.
FliPPeh: I didn't even try it yet
Tazer: um, i dont suppose anyone here uses macbooks?