Phoronix IRC Log: 2010-06-21
bluekoala: I just noticed something quite awesome
bluekoala: Update manager is telling me it wants to update FGLRX
bluekoala: It doesn't look like it's a new driver
bluekoala: Just an update to the same driver
bluekoala: Force unleashed 2 trailer just gave me a nerdgasm
kurros: the new SW:TOR cinematic trailer gave me one
kurros: Hope of Alderran or whatever
mikeplus64: Linux version? Too lazy to do any research on it.
mikeplus64: But I doubt it.
kurros: nay. windows mmo. maybe xbox/ps3 not sure.
kurros: makes me wish bioware was making the star wars movies though :)
kurros: hoping it will be wine friendly. still a year away though
mikeplus64: WHAT'S THIS?! Open source driver beating the performance of the closed source one?! Awesome!
kurros: in xrender...
kurros: there has gotta be some shortcut trickery going on there? or does fglrx really suck that bad?
alexandernst: any news about steam4linux?
kurros: alexandernst, you didn't see the E3 announcement?
alexandernst: nope :s
alexandernst: do you have a link?
FliPPeh: is thinking about writing a blog engine in pure C/SQLite
FliPPeh: Everyone has written Blog engines in Python, Ruby, PHP and Java
kurros: FliPPeh, what about the CMSs that use ASP.Net for managed C++?
FliPPeh: Oh man
FliPPeh: Don't get me started on managed C++
FliPPeh: Or ASP
FliPPeh: I'm talking raw C here
FliPPeh: not some girlish "managed" stuff
kurros: whatever floats your boat :)
FliPPeh: I'm a low level guy :(
FliPPeh: But really, managed C++ is just... poor
FliPPeh: Just use C# or Java, but don't ruin the already ruined C++!
FliPPeh: It's like kicking dead dogs... maaan...
kurros: yeah i'd prefer C# myself, but i imagine there are cases where its easier to use existing database management code that way. without P/Invoke
cmol: Hey guys. Any news on the steam on linux thing?
FliPPeh: No. No there is not.
cmol: Damn.. But i'm not surprised
FliPPeh: It still runs fine with WINE
cmol: i know :) But a native client is still kinda exiting
FliPPeh: Yes :(
cmol: wait.. i remember.. I had huge issues with the sound under wine
FliPPeh: Are you running an x86_64 system?
FliPPeh: Using wine32?
FliPPeh: AND using ALSA?
FliPPeh: If so, there's a lib32-alsa floating around somewhere
FliPPeh: Installing this helped me
cmol: isn't wine x64 too?
FliPPeh: There is no 64-Bit wine the last time I checked
cmol: then that could be why
FliPPeh: (about 5 days ago.)
JEEB: Uhmm... IIRC wine had some win64 support
Kano: FliPPeh: this it not fully correct
cmol: thanks for the tip :)
FliPPeh: Which distribution are you using?
JEEB: It's not officially available as a build, yes
FliPPeh: NOW YOU ALL COME UP TO CRITIZISE ME
cmol: not me.. i like the tip! ^^
JEEB: But IIRC wine has had win64 support for quite some time now, as far as I've read the changelogs
FliPPeh: Not win64 support
FliPPeh: Host 64 support
FliPPeh: Not in my repo
FliPPeh: But using wine32 for 32 bit windows applications works well
JEEB: of course
JEEB: but yeah, there has been a 64bit (x86_64) wine support as well, although that is pretty much in its children's shoes
FliPPeh: Now that you say it, I remember it being in a kind of beta build, but it wasn't usable for practical purposes (at least not for steam for me!)
JEEB: there's a 64bit build of steam? lol
JEEB: I always thought that ran on wow64
FliPPeh: That's why it wasn't usable :D
JEEB: yes, steam is a 32bit process -- it's running in wow64 -- so yeah, not exactly a surprise it wouldn't work on the win64 part of wine :V
FliPPeh: What exactly is wow64?
JEEB: the wine64 wiki page actually has the way to build a win64 + wow64 system
JEEB: FliPPeh, the 32bit side of 64bit windows (easily said)
FliPPeh: ah k
FliPPeh: The thing lib32-* for Linux is
chain__: has anyone else noticed this recenty: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/releasenotes_64bit.html
Kano: chain__: sure,but you still can download the old 10.0 release
chain__: I have 64 bit version backed up, so it's not a big problem for me. I was just surprised this wasn't mentioned on the phoronix website
Kano: my script still can fetch it
tkmorris: I mean
tkmorris: steam, steaaaaam!
RambJoe: what is x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
RambJoe: is that meant to be a command line
RambJoe: make: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc: Command not found
nyxkn: i have something along those lines: x86_64-redhat-linux-gcc
RambJoe: is it meant to be a command :S
nyxkn: yeah, so it seems
nyxkn: oh, interestingly, it's exactly the same size as gcc
nyxkn: so i guess you can replace that with gcc?
RambJoe: i need to compile the facebook im plugin for pidgin but it tries to use that command lol
nyxkn: try to edit the makefile so that it uses normal gcc instead of that
nyxkn: unless... the configure chose that for you, in which case... it should be there?
RambJoe: fb_json.h:25:34: fatal error: json-glib/json-glib.h: No such file or directory
nyxkn: what distro are you on?
nyxkn: hmm, i'm pretty sure there's a package for that facebook plugin on aur :)
RambJoe: oh cool thanks :D
nyxkn: yup, pidgin-facebookchat
RambJoe: woh wheres loads of facebook stuff
RambJoe: command line facebook
giselher: RamboJoe: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc is a cross compiler
RambJoe: do i need the packages for that then
nyxkn: why should it be a cross compiler? it's name says it's basically standard x64 gcc
nyxkn: don't cross compilers have other platforms name in theirs?
giselher: they do
giselher: have all weird names
RambJoe: you can compile the plugin for like arm and stuff
RambJoe: anyone on the new kernal?
giselher: RambJoe: remove all --host and --build from the configure script than it schould use gcc
RambJoe: ok thanks
nyxkn: RambJoe, see what the aur build does. it should just work.
RambJoe: wait is there an update for catalyst
nyxkn: 10.6? it kept on crashing even on windows :)
RambJoe: its um
RambJoe: catalyst-10.6-2-x86... 16.1M 273.3K/s 00:01:00 [###################################] 100%
RambJoe: xorg-server-184.108.40.206... 1865.2K 1324.5K/s 00:00:01 [#####################] 100%
RambJoe: yep looks like it supports xorg 1.8 now
Kano: RambJoe: it works with maverick too
Kano: tested 32+64 bit
Kano: which has 1.8.1 too
RambJoe: have they fixed artifacts
RambJoe: still has artifacts :(
RambJoe: whats better
RambJoe: mssql or mysql
nyxkn: a linux user asking such a question? :)
RambJoe: in another irc channel
RambJoe: people are saying mssql is better
nyxkn: well, i wouldn't know
nyxkn: i'd say there isn't much of a performance difference
nyxkn: but... price-wise... yeah :P
Sir_Brizz: mssql uses Transact SQL which is horrib
RambJoe: what is the best
Daekdroom: How come my ISP caps my download limit per month to a mere 30GB I can burn in two weeks and then try to charge over 50% of what I pay each month for another 30GB?
Daekdroom: That's an outrage.
Daekdroom: Gotta start looking for a new ISP.
Daekdroom: Well. Atleast they don't cap my upload, so I'll put my Torrent on eternal seeding once July 1st arrives..
Daekdroom: Nah. I don't live in USA.
RambJoe: i love the arch wiki
RambJoe: has an article for like everything
thomashc: pretty much everyones upload is capped in the US...
Daekdroom: Only download in here..
Daekdroom: And therefore I'm down from 3MB/500Kbps to 140/140 :(
thomashc: you see people here with 20MB/s down
thomashc: and 20kb/s upload
thomashc: which is BAD
Daekdroom: The fastest DSL you can get in the city I live is 100/10 and costs 500 bucks, or somewhere around 300 dollars
thomashc: Idk about here
Daekdroom: And you don't even get a static IP
Daekdroom: Like.. wth?
nyxkn: there isn't even any dsl in the town i live in :P
nyxkn: yeah, feel lucky
Daekdroom: The fastest cable is 20Mb/s methinks.
thomashc: nyxkn, Used to be the same where I lived
Daekdroom: HSDPA or however you spell that? terrible quality.
thomashc: Dial up was 50 bucks a month
thomashc: this was...5 years ago
thomashc: thank god we only lived there a few months
nyxkn: i see
thomashc: I bet easily 20% of the US is still on dial up
nyxkn: that much?
RambJoe: how do yo know what sites are cached on bind9
Sir_Brizz: ooh boy
Sir_Brizz: KDE 4.5 is adding tiling
Sir_Brizz: they are also making it so you can switch Konqueror from KHTML to WebKit for rendering
FliPPeh: REAL tiling?
FliPPeh: Or that kind of tiling windows has?
asraniel: Sir_Brizz, FliPPeh: whats tiling exactly? i thought 4.4 has that already
RambJoe: wahts a site that uses ipv6
FliPPeh: asraniel: You mean "REAL" tiling or tiling in general?
FliPPeh: Windows tiling
RambJoe: doesn't work for me
FliPPeh: real tiling
FliPPeh: RambJoe: Try googling for "ipv6 test"
asraniel: FliPPeh: no clue. i think 4.4 has more of the unreal tiling
asraniel: so if the changelog says tiling in 4.5, this probably means real tiling
asraniel: since it was already in 4.4 (the unreal one)
FliPPeh: I want forced tiling
RambJoe: ok thanks
FliPPeh: Not where you can go ahead and scale a window to overlap another
FliPPeh: That defies the whole purpose
JEEB: xmonad was pretty nice
FliPPeh: Bit hard to configure even for me as a haskell guy
FliPPeh: I just used Awesome :/
RambJoe: Your internet connection is not IPv6 capable
Daekdroom: Did it tell you that?
JEEB: I did try awesome at one point, too -- but then decided to just wait until I had a month or so to set stuff up and get used to it
JEEB: (same with xmonad)
Daekdroom: I still don't get what tiling is
FliPPeh: Daekdroom: No title bars for the windows, they don't normally overlap
RambJoe: ffs chrome is so fail
FliPPeh: Intelligent layouts
FliPPeh: I LIEK CHROME
RambJoe: brb not having a show ip addon
RambJoe: but just an addon that shows your own ip but not the sites ip
FliPPeh: Sites IP: ping
Daekdroom: dns , rather
FliPPeh: ooh, there's dns..
Daekdroom: Mixed up
RambJoe: i know but i like having it show on browsr
Daekdroom: Not linux command line :P
FliPPeh: sh: command not found: dns
RambJoe: i dont get why this is failing
RambJoe: i've connected to ipv6 sites before
FliPPeh: I wish I HAD real ipv6 here
FliPPeh: But no
Daekdroom: I wish I had real internet here.
FliPPeh: Virtual Internet?
Daekdroom: No. It kinda reminds me of dial up.
Daekdroom: Which like, nobody uses anymore.
FliPPeh: even worse
Daekdroom: Well, it's three times as fast as dial up, but still slooow.
Daekdroom: If I were used to, let's say, being on IRC all day, it'd be alright, but now I can't even do sudo apt-get upgrade :(
FliPPeh: Sometimes even my 16K line here is slow enough to be faster twittering 140 bytes every minute.
FliPPeh: I even had the plan to design a TTP, Twitter Transfer Protocol
debris: What's a 16K line ??
FliPPeh: 16 MBit
debris: got it
FliPPeh: Basically maxed out 2 MB/s download :x
FliPPeh: But the max I get is about 1,2
FliPPeh: WiFi - 2 TV-Boxes sucking from it
Daekdroom: Sabotage them
FliPPeh: I will
FliPPeh: The internet has way too many downtimes
debris: I had to upgrade to cable modem because my DSL provider only offers 2 Mb tops
debris: Can't stream web TV and 3 computers over that
Daekdroom: Really? I was complaining about 3Mb all for myself..
debris: Cable offered up to 8Mb in my neighborhood
FliPPeh: I could get vdsl 25k ;x
FliPPeh: But why?
Daekdroom: Ohhh found a DSL ISP that is cheaper than my current cable one and it doesn't cap me down to 30GB/month
Sir_Brizz: I don't know what you would consider real tiling whe the wiondows all have title bars
Daekdroom: Sir_Brizz, from what I have understood, real tiling is when windows cease to be windows :P
debris: At least I don't have a cap
Sir_Brizz: I honestly don't care about tiling windows, I can work just fine with cascaded windows
Sir_Brizz: it looks like KWin-tiling is just tiling the windows
Sir_Brizz: which is what I expected
RambJoe: when does .bash_profile execute?
FliPPeh: When the shell starts
RambJoe: is it before rc.local
RambJoe: oh good :)
FliPPeh: If I remember correctly, rc.* are started on boot :/
RambJoe: as x starts in .bash_profile
FliPPeh: wait no
RambJoe: and i want like xchat and stuf
RambJoe: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Start_X_at_Boot it told me to there
FliPPeh: Could work
FliPPeh: If it does than it's right :)
FliPPeh: starts X manually
FliPPeh: I'm too lazy :(
FliPPeh: But when I want autostart, I modify the boot stuff
FliPPeh: so it does not even take you to the login console
FliPPeh: and instantly starts a graphical login manager
Dandel: the bug report for the regression in the intel driver is showing stubborn-ness.
Wings: Hey guys.
Wings: Any news on Steam/Source for Linux/
Wings: *reads topic*
Wings: Uh, okay, never mind.
Azerthoth: same news as last month
Kano: just vlc 1.1.0 is out now
Kano: did you notice
Daekdroom: ISPs should burn in hell with their bureaucracy
Daekdroom: Because their systems are flawed.
Daekdroom: They can't even revert an automatized bandwidth cut.
Daekdroom: As of right now I have the legal right to have a 5MB/s connection untill I hit my 50GB monthly cap!
Daekdroom: and they can't revert it from 140kbps..
Daekdroom: and they're blaming my computer
Azerthoth: and how much have you used?
Daekdroom: Somewhere around 35GB
Daekdroom: I actually hit the cap 16th, but I upgraded my speed and gained another 20GB..
Daekdroom: And yet they can't fix it. How awesome.
kurros: Legal right?
Daekdroom: Yeah. They can't cut my bandwidth if I meet the contract..
Daekdroom: I'm under the cap.
kurros: where do you cone up with this stuff?
Daekdroom: Honestly? No idea.
Azerthoth: Daekdroom, who told you that load of fluff?
Azerthoth: FCC got spanked hard for trying to say that very thing
Daekdroom: Azerthoth, so they can decide out of a whim how much my bandwidth is?
Daekdroom: and charge me a visit when it's not my fault?
Azerthoth: in a nutshell, yes
Wings: welcome to the free market
Daekdroom: Time to find those crazy websites that badmouth telecomunication services..
FliPPeh: 413 lines of C++ code done, time to relax.
Sleepy_Coder: FliPPeh: Better not be a 10-line template :p
FliPPeh: A full TCP server that's soon gonna be a mutli user chat
FliPPeh: FOR FUN!
FliPPeh: Like my Blog engine based on C and SQLite
FliPPeh: I've got too much time
FliPPeh: You should try it
mikeplus64: If anyone's interested I'm going to play ETQW on The <3 Shack ( a server, the only active Australian one really lol )