djura-san: o/
Quan-Time: \o
RambJoe: im on arch :D
Quan-Time: im on a chair
Quan-Time: *gone*
RambJoe: i keep getting random black blocks on the screen though lol
RambJoe: fucking ati :9
RambJoe: :(
RambJoe: ffs these black blocks are driving me crazy
Daekdroom: I hate my ISP
Daekdroom: I'm stuck with a 140/140kbps connection :(
Kano: michaellarabel: did you try fglrx 10-6 with maverick? seens to work
Kano: tested 32+64 bit
Kano: (well installed with my script for .34+ support)
giselher: what's the command to use the additional features of ext4 filesystems?
cherwin: giselher: what?
cherwin: giselher: What are you trying to accomplish?
giselher: cherwin: to enable the ext4 extents
cherwin: giselher: you just need to add support for your kernel and install the userland tools.
cherwin: giselher: you're not specific enough about your problem, so we cannot help you any further.
FliPPeh_: Oh god
FliPPeh_: Just saw my first world cup game for 5 seconds
FliPPeh_: Those vuvuzelas are annoying
maligor: did you have a 5.1 surround sound system for optimized vuvuzela sound?
Kano: if you use lucid you can try a vlc filter
FliPPeh_: Stereo goodness
FliPPeh_: Boo, Ubuntu :(
FliPPeh_: Arch Linux!
maligor: Ye hethens! Debian!
maligor: err..sorry, heathens
FliPPeh_: yay dokumentations
FliPPeh_: "The wale that exploded"
maligor: what's a wale?
FliPPeh_: s/doku/docu
FliPPeh_: whale!
maligor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wale_(rapper)?
FliPPeh_: Sorry, mixed up german "Wal" and english "Whale" ;D
cherwin: FliPPeh_: doKumentations if you're using KDE
FliPPeh_: But yes, exploding rappers are fine, too
FliPPeh_: KoKumentations would be correct KDE
FliPPeh_: (I always hated that convention)
cherwin: FliPPeh_: it's not a convention, merely a stupid thing that gone way out of hand..
maligor: Kherwin, it's daft
cherwin: runs
maligor: atleast gnome has mostly gotten rid of it
cherwin: Gnome vs. KDE -- GO!
FliPPeh_: OPENBOX
FliPPeh_:
cherwin: flamewar in 1.. 2.. 3..
maligor: jeez, that rapper should infact explode
maligor: Single names: "Pretty Girls", "World Tour", "Chillin", "Nike Boots"
FliPPeh_: cherwin used flamewar motivation. It was not effective.
cherwin: teleports
maligor: I like both
maligor: KDE and Gnome
FliPPeh_: I hate both
cherwin: maligor: inconceivable!
FliPPeh_: unbelievable!
maligor: hate both why?
FliPPeh_: Because I can
maligor: I hated gnome 1.x tho
maligor: and kde 3.x
maligor: used window maker back then
RambJoe: anyone here use arch with ati?
FliPPeh_: It's annoying when youtube blocks every video of a particular band
FliPPeh_: I just want to see if I like it
FliPPeh_: NOW I HAVE TO PIRATE THE WHOLE ALBUM
FliPPeh_: Not worth it.
monreal: or use a proxy
FliPPeh_: Completely blocked
FliPPeh_: Not just country vise
monreal: ok, not worth it
monreal: :)
FliPPeh_: As a german I'm used to "YOU CAN'T DO THAT"
FliPPeh_: Really, music labels encourage people to pirate
FliPPeh_: shit quality songs in the charts and good artists that happen to be under contract don't get any audience
sado1: they should encourage people to buy their recordings
sado1: but they can't understand.
GNU\colossus: they should just foad
FliPPeh_: If I knew the musicians get good money off it, I'd buy
FliPPeh_: But I never bought ANY CD in 15 years
FliPPeh_: Not gonna support the mafia
FliPPeh_: raids the fridge
GNU\colossus: I own a LOT of records on CD
FliPPeh_: gained an item (Bowl of strawberries)
GNU\colossus: stopped buying about 6 years ago however
GNU\colossus: I'm just fed up with all the shit the MAFIA is pulling to cut into consumers' and civilians' rights
maligor: I've never bought any CD's because most of the sold stuff is absolute crap
maligor: I take that back, I've bought 1 cd
FliPPeh_: My favourite bands sell CDs
FliPPeh_: But I support them by buying fanstuff
FliPPeh_: :x
FliPPeh_: More money
GNU\colossus: FUCK YOU, RAPIDSHARE FUCKTWATS!
FliPPeh_: What!
GNU\colossus: their shitty crap-site doesn't work with KDE's downloading subsystem
GNU\colossus: and there are those utter morons uploading LZMA 7z archives of DVB firmware there
GNU\colossus: and I cannot fetch it
FliPPeh_: ;/
FliPPeh_: slowly backs off
RambJoe: can anyone help?
RambJoe: with ati 10.6 on arch linux
FliPPeh_: Erm
RambJoe: i keep getting black blocks on firefox
FliPPeh_: Mh.
RambJoe: and you have to like scroll to wipe them off :S
Kano: RambJoe: maybe disable the new rendering
RambJoe: is that the new 2d rendering in 10.6?
GNU\colossus: proprietary ATi video drivers fubaring? how rare!
RambJoe: oh wait
RambJoe: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI_Catalyst#Catalyst_10.6_:_black.2Fgrey.2Fwhite_boxes.2Fartifacts_in_firefox.2Fthunderbird
FliPPeh_: That's why I switched to Chromium.
Kano: aticonfig --set-pcs-str=DDX,ForceXAA,TRUE
Kano: RambJoe: fully stop X
FliPPeh_: Firefox and Thunderbird suck with their XUL-Runner runtimes
Kano: then run that command
RambJoe: ok thanks :)
Kano: as root
Kano: then startx again
RambJoe: will this be fixed soon?
Kano: soon is not in the vocabulary of fglrx devs ;)
FliPPeh_: What about "fixed"?
RambJoe: lol
RambJoe: so am i gonna have to write this down if i kill x lol
Kano: make a script
Daekdroom: What the hell is up with those Xorg-edegers mantainers..
Daekdroom: We actually have to use xorg.conf if we want Gallium
RambJoe: ok
maligor: Here was me thinking hell was down, not up
Kano: Daekdroom: do you really see a reason to try that
maligor: Daekdroom, gallium3d isn't really ready for prime use afaik
Daekdroom: maligor, It works as well as classic MESA does, if not better.
maligor: yeah, for one driver
Daekdroom: Well.. The way in which you install a -gallium package is much better imho
maligor: RambJoe, use chrome insead
RambJoe: ok
FliPPeh_: Yes, use chrome.
maligor: or chromium rather
FliPPeh_: And be happy forever.
FliPPeh_: And ever.
RambJoe: what is arch like without this new feature
RambJoe: i only just installed
FliPPeh_: Arch is always awesome
RambJoe: can you get chrome 6 on arch yet
FliPPeh_: probably.
FliPPeh_: Let me see...
FliPPeh_: AUR/chromium-dev 6.0.437.3-1
RambJoe: :D
FliPPeh_: Developer version
RambJoe: can you do that with pacman?
FliPPeh_: Nope
FliPPeh_: AUR!
RambJoe: oh :(
RambJoe: wait tehre is a download command isn't there?
RambJoe: pacman -U or something
maligor: what's so great about v6?
FliPPeh_: I use "bauerbill" for automatizing AUR packages
Biganon: Hi
FliPPeh_: hey
maligor: I'm still on my old chromium 5
FliPPeh_: Same :x
FliPPeh_: Does chromium 6 support REAL ad blocking?
FliPPeh_: If it does....
maligor: I've never bothered with ad blocking
RambJoe: if ati wont fix this will firefox?
maligor: just flash
FliPPeh_: Flash it them devil
maligor: I'm sure ati will it
maligor: err.. s/it//
maligor: it's the default in ubuntu
Tallken: KDE
Tallken: oh? it's over?
maligor: GNOME!
FliPPeh_: You're lat
FliPPeh_: e
FliPPeh_: NOOO
FliPPeh_: DON'T START THE FIRE
maligor: heh
RambJoe: what is bauerbill then
FliPPeh_: A AUR helper tool
FliPPeh_: Like pacman
GNU\colossus: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=261186
FliPPeh_: bauerbill -S --aur blahblah
Biganon: anyone using Arch Linux here ?
FliPPeh_: If you use it without --aur, it behaves like pacman
FliPPeh_: Me.
Biganon: don't worry, I'm not havin an issue
maligor: never really had a thing for DE's really, but editors... emacs is the spawn of the devil, vim for the win!
Biganon: FliPPeh_: good boy
FliPPeh_: VIM!
FliPPeh_: ++
RambJoe: oh i think i saw that in the wiki actualy
RambJoe: hm chromes a bit better
RambJoe: the tabs go black but the actual page doesn't
maligor: RambJoe, what card is it?
FliPPeh_: IMPROVEMENT!
RambJoe: 4870
maligor: haven't had any issues aside from some slowness in kde
FliPPeh_: ...
FliPPeh_: Why do all bad news forcast stuff to 2012?
FliPPeh_: I think this is scary
RambJoe: :(
maligor: end of the world clearly
FliPPeh_: "Tablets are going to replace Netbooks by 2012"
FliPPeh_: Clearly, apocalypse
RambJoe: shit what do you do after makepkg again lol
FliPPeh_: pacman -U
FliPPeh_: :)
RambJoe: ohhhh
RambJoe: yeah lol
FliPPeh_: My stomach hurts... too much strawberry goodness
RambJoe: so do i have to add the aur to it or something
FliPPeh_: RambJoe: Talking about Bauerbill?
maligor: FliPPeh_, did it have hydroxyl in it?
RambJoe: yeah
FliPPeh_: sudo bauerbill --aur -S somepackage
FliPPeh_: If it's on AUR it will allow you to download and automatically install it like pacman
RambJoe: oh thanks :D
FliPPeh_: Normal repo packages are handled exactly the same
FliPPeh_: So bauerbill could be used as a pacman replacement :)
FliPPeh_: maligor: No idea!
RambJoe: too bad its so hard to type lol
giselher: RambJoe: you could use packer or clyde instead
RambJoe: are they differnet programs then
giselher: I use clyde because it is not a wrapper of pacman, instead it is built upon libalpm
giselher: clyde is the fastest Archlinux package manager
RambJoe: :)
RambJoe: chrome 5 is slower than firefox
giselher: RambJoe: packer has only basic features for the AUR and clyde is a complete replacement of pacman, with its own config file
RambJoe: oh
giselher: further informations?
RambJoe: can you have both pacman and clyde then would they conflinct
giselher: you have to have both, because libalpm is in the pacman package :P
RambJoe: oh lol
Ivanovic: ha, this explains everything, zidane just hates vuvuzelas!
Ivanovic: http://i50.tinypic.com/2q8yivb.jpg
giselher: the only disadvantage of clyde is that it don't support the --devel switch
RambJoe: lololo
RambJoe: oh
RambJoe: http://i50.tinypic.com/avonl5.jpg
maligor: Ivanovic, why does he grab his stomach if he got hit in the upper chest?
RambJoe: and why is chrome 6 still isntalling
maligor: it's probably pre calculating all the choices you make so it's faster
maligor: or more likely.. it's a broken package
RambJoe: CXX(target) out/Release/obj.target/browser/chrome/browser/parsers/metadata_parser.o
RambJoe: CXX(target) out/Release/obj.target/browser/chrome/browser/password_manager/encryptor_linux.o
RambJoe: loads of stuff like that
RambJoe: chrome 5 fails acid3 BAD lol
Daekdroom: Shame on it!
maligor: I only use chromium because it doesn't have random freezes like firefox
RambJoe: think its atis fault
RambJoe: Failed 2 tests.
RambJoe: Test 69 passed, but took 10 attempts (less than perfect).
RambJoe: Test 71 failed: expected '2' but got '3' - wrong number of children in HTML (first test)
RambJoe: Test 72 failed: expected '20' but got '10' - change failed to take effect
RambJoe: Total elapsed time: 1.09s
RambJoe: still going...
RambJoe: been over half an hour lol
Kano: RambJoe: acid 3 is working with google chrome 6, i think it worked even with 5
RambJoe: yeah i thought it did too
RambJoe: which is why i blame this new ati shit
Kano: i test google chrome not chromium
RambJoe: CXX(target) out/Release/obj.target/notifier/chrome/common/net/notifier/base/ssl_adapter.o
RambJoe: CXX(target) out/Release/obj.target/notifier/chrome/common/net/notifier/base/task_pump.o
RambJoe: what does this even mean
Kano: 5+6 pass acid3 , also opera
Kano: i dont get what you test
RambJoe: :S
RambJoe: whats the best way to take screenshots
Kano: press print on kde usually starts ksnapshot
RambJoe: can i use pacman when using that other thing
FliPPeh_: yes
FliPPeh_: But not while either one is RUNNING
FliPPeh_: Because the database is being locked
RambJoe: oh
Nevtus: http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/10/06/20/1350247/Made-For-Torrents-Sci-Fi-Drama-Pioneer-One-Debuts?art_pos=4&art_pos=4
Nevtus: cool
Kano: RambJoe: just take a look
Daekdroom: Nevtus, what is that?
Nevtus: Daekdroom: people made a pilot for a tv and released it for free
Nevtus: *a tv show
Daekdroom: Interesting
Daekdroom: I'd download it if I wasn't stuck with 140kbps connection.
maligor: is it worth observing?
Kano: RambJoe: it should look like this for you too...
Biganon: Excuse me, I've read a post on steam website saying that no Linux version was considered ; is it true, since I had read that a Linux version would exist ?
Biganon: is it an old post which I shouldn't consider ?
RambJoe: um i will screenshto mine when the other thing is done
Kano: RambJoe: takes less than 2 s
maligor: Biganon, there's no official statement
Nevtus: Biganon: you mean on the stream forum? people are saying lots of unconfirmed things on both sides
RambJoe: yeah but my chrome 6 is installing
Nevtus: right now it's uncertain
Biganon: Nevtus: it was more like a FAQ
Kano: firefox 3.6.4 gets 94/100
Daekdroom: When it comes to Stream on Linux, even what Valve says isn't about being sure :P
Nevtus: Biganon: the FAQ said no Mac client days after that was offically released too.
Biganon: that's a shame, because I'm not really talented with wine or POL
Biganon: and having to use Windows in order to play Portal 2 makes me wanna kill some baby chickens
maligor: there was a very early version of steam for linux on their site for a while tho, hidden
FliPPeh_: wine is nice :/
maligor: who knows if or when they'll release it
FliPPeh_: Runs TF2 and zombie panic with windows speed
Nevtus: Biganon: don't lose hope. Nothing is offical but Valve are moving in new directions and a steam linux client would make sense. Plus like maligor said there was a proof-of-concept linux binary on valves public server a few months ago
RambJoe: is there an HD tv cards for linux lol
GNU\colossus: 30/30 points. this semester's exams are starting out well for me, it seems :)
maligor: well, it does make sense in that there's no platform drm for games for linux now
GNU\colossus: RambJoe: there are several well-supported DVB-S2 cards
RambJoe: do they work in UK
GNU\colossus: RambJoe: I'd guess so - do you receive Astra 19.2E up there?
GNU\colossus: (that's a satellite)
maligor: RambJoe, ofcourse not, UK has geostationary satellites above it tht at stop DVB-S transmissions
RambJoe: oh
RambJoe: well what do i need for UK channels lol
maligor: a descrambler
maligor: a satellite dish and a card with descrambler support
maligor: and a linux driver that supports the card with the descrambler
RambJoe: do most tv cards support linux then
GNU\colossus: RambJoe: get a TechnoTrend S-3200 with CI its module
maligor: since most UK channels (aka BBC ect) are scrambled
GNU\colossus: it's PCI-based
maligor: obviously you'll also need a satellite card that works with the CI too
Kano: why ci
RambJoe: http://www.amazon.co.uk/TechnoTrend-S2-3200-DVB-S-PCI-CI-Modul/dp/B000QTBI74
Biganon: FliPPeh_: maybe, but I'm usually unable to make it work
Daekdroom: Screw FIFA World Cup.
GNU\colossus: ah, its name is actually TechnoTrend S2-3200
GNU\colossus: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B000QTBI74/ref=asc_df_B000QTBI74689150?ie=UTF8&condition=new&tag=geizhals07-21&creative=7978&creativeASIN=B000QTBI74&linkCode=asm @ RambJoe
GNU\colossus: exactly
RambJoe: they're site does not work on chrome lol
RambJoe: http://www.technotrend.com/
Biganon: their*
GNU\colossus: note that you'll also need a CAM - that's a device you put your Smartcard into, and place into your TV card's CI slot.
GNU\colossus: you need that in order to descramble encrypted transmissions
GNU\colossus: depending on the CAM you buy, that'll add another 35 to 150 EUR to your bill
maligor: RambJoe, mm...actually
maligor: RambJoe, do you mean terrestial free channels?
GNU\colossus: not ayll CAMs work with all programs/encryptions, so be wary of what you buy
RambJoe: um
RambJoe: which are those lol
maligor: DVB-T
RambJoe: not sure
RambJoe: is taht like freeview hd or freeset hd or sometihng
maligor: then there's DVB-C for cable
GNU\colossus: maligor: DVB-T doesn't do much "HDTV" though. you'll need DVB-S2 for that.
maligor: pretty sure you can do HDTV over DVB-T
maligor: it just sucks more space out of the bundle
maligor: haven't looked at the protocols for ages tho
GNU\colossus: maligor: 1080i is possible, bandwidth-wise, but i'd be surprised if there's a station anywhere in the world that supports it
RambJoe: so how do you get linux drives then
RambJoe: do they come on the disk
GNU\colossus: they come with your kernel
GNU\colossus: be it source or image
RambJoe: ohh :)
RambJoe: so what program do you watch tv with
maligor: RambJoe, you should first figure out the protocol and if they allow third party equipment
GNU\colossus: there are several
Azerthoth: mplayer
GNU\colossus: I use mplayer and vdr. you can also use kaffeine, mythtv or something else.
RambJoe: ok thanks
RambJoe: how do i know the protocol
GNU\colossus: which protocol?
Azerthoth: wrote a script for mencoder | mplayer. so I can pause
maligor: DVB-C = Cable TV, DVB-T Terrestial (Aerial), DVB-S/S2 is Satellite
RambJoe: you from the UK?
maligor: I guess proper HDTV stuff would be DVB-S2
maligor: since DVB-C2 and DVB-T2 are drafting iirc
RambJoe: "Sky+ HD and Freesat in the UK and Ireland
RambJoe: "
RambJoe: yeah we do have dvb-s2
maligor: 'free digital tv for everyone' and then it says: 'buy freesat now'
RambJoe: so will that work
maligor: not a clue
RambJoe: oh
maligor: since freesat seems to advertise subscription free, I would imagine they wouldn't be scrambled
maligor: but what do I know
maligor: and you obviously need a dish too
RambJoe: yeah i have one :)
jimerickson_: got php-gtk to compile on ubuntu 10.04. thanks to the forums!!
FliPPeh_: WHY
FliPPeh_: WHYYYYYY
FliPPeh_: PHP is bad enough
FliPPeh_: But WHYYYYY use it for GUI?
FliPPeh_: It's like killing children
FliPPeh_: BUT YOU DON'T GET PUNISHED FOR IT
FliPPeh_: starts crying uncontrollably
Azerthoth: just leave britney alooooone ..... er php
Azerthoth: hehe
FliPPeh_: Never
FliPPeh_: I only find peace when no one uses PHP anymore
FliPPeh_: But GUI?
FliPPeh_: :(
Azerthoth: I need to get a pic of that freakshow
FliPPeh_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP-GTK
Nevtus: FliPPeh_: for web use, php is fine with good coding practices
FliPPeh_: Everything is fine with good parctices :x
Nevtus: so hate on the programmers (or people trying to program), not the tools
FliPPeh_: That's like saying nuclear weapons are fine if you only use them to wipe out rat populations
FliPPeh_: Either way, people get hurt :(
Nevtus: uhh, genocide is never good
FliPPeh_: I once heard of someone who wanted to make a distributed system for a hospital... in PHP
FliPPeh_: I'm still waiting for the news.
FliPPeh_: Like "System failure in local hospital - hundrets dead"
Nevtus: if the system needed a web interface, it would make sense
Nevtus: was the whole thing in php?
FliPPeh_: Don't know
FliPPeh_: "distributed" and "php" were bad enough for me :(
FliPPeh_: Web frontends, fine
FliPPeh_: But distributed stuff? How does that even work with PHP?
Varkk: they should have thrown in 'cloud-sourced' and 'web2.0' plus a few other buzzwords the manager read in some online publication in there just for good measure
RambJoe: wahts new in xorg 1.8 then
FliPPeh_: bug fixes \o/
RambJoe: lol not sure if should risk installing
Daekdroom: 1.8 is not only a bug fix release.
Daekdroom: It should have one or two meaningless new features
FliPPeh_: Kernel 2.6.34 is still not in the repos of arch linux :/
FliPPeh_: I got mine off AUR :/
FliPPeh_: But new wine
RambJoe: oh
Nevtus: FliPPeh_: what are you talking about, 2.6.34 is in the repos http://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/kernel26/
nyxkn: :o
FliPPeh_: Nevtus: I just -Syu'd and it didn't show up
Nevtus: use a better mirror?
nyxkn: same here FliPPeh_
FliPPeh_: I use the fastet mirror
Nevtus: it was only updated in the last 24 hours, it can take a while for the mirrors to update
nyxkn: well, date is june the 20th :P
FliPPeh_: 21!
nyxkn: well, same here, but not for archlinux.org i guess
RambJoe: :: Replace kernel26-firmware with core/linux-firmware? [Y/n]
RambJoe: :: catalyst: requires xorg-server<1.8.0
RambJoe: :: catalyst: requires kernel26<2.6.34
RambJoe: ooooh
RambJoe: maybe i install the test package
RambJoe: anyone have an hp printer?
Azalyn: FliPPeh_: if you don't use php for web development, what do you use? or what would you use?