mikeplus64: Looks like Steam on Linux is just vapourware.
mikeplus64: ( water vapour, at that )
mjr: how nice to put up the kms slides in a really hard to browse or even to mirror manner
Kano: hi michaellarabel
Flyser: Any news about steam on linux? ..
maligor: kde4 seems to suffer from the new ati 2d
Flyser: "new ati 2d"?
maligor: ATI 2D Acceleration Architechture
Flyser: fglrx?
maligor: yes
Kano: maligor: do you have got the same problem as i do
Kano: when you force vsync
maligor: force vsync with what?
Kano: then you run fgl_glxglears and kill it, you have got ghost images
Kano: amdcccl
Kano: e
maligor: kill it how?
Kano: klick on x
maligor: just pressing esc doesn't give any ghosts
maligor: or that either
maligor: let me restart X and try again
maligor: Kano, no.. is it with compositing?
Kano: no
Kano: kde 3, xserver 1.4.2
maligor: totally weird too.. kde 4 is rather slow, gnome is very snappy
maligor: must have a regression in some part of the 2d acceleration
Kano: michaellarabel: did you notice that the 64 bit flash plugin was not deleted, just the website with the link
CME: 10.1 64bit?
Kano: no the old 10.0
CME: ah ok
Kano: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.45.2.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
Kano: that still works
Kano: going back to hardcode it...
FliPPeh_: Killed by the wrath of Shan Lai Ching :(
FliPPeh_: Nethack is being mean
djura-san: hello people :)
bluekoala: Gentlemen
skyhirider: Mentelgen
skyhirider: whats better for a web server, ext4 or xfs?
FliPPeh_: lighttpd!
FliPPeh_: ext4 is always good.
FliPPeh_: Mine runs on ext3 :x
FliPPeh_: God, I'm addicted to Nethack
Ivanovic: skyhirider: in general xfs is really good for large files
Ivanovic: in a normal webserver those are really seldom
Ivanovic: there i'd expect many accesses at various places of the disc, mainly smaller files
FliPPeh_: Jup.
FliPPeh_: Unless it's a file serving webserver
FliPPeh_: In which case FTP would be better
Ivanovic: so ext* would make more sense
asraniel: FliPPeh_: if you have an iphone, there is a really good iphone version of nethack
FliPPeh: Wait what
FliPPeh: Did freenode just die?
BlkSabb: Is there anything new on this Steam and Source Engine for Linux? Is there a beta or something I can sign up for?
FliPPeh: BlkSabb: Sign up for?
FliPPeh: I'd be happy if there was even solid proof
FliPPeh_: :/
FliPPeh_: I'm double
BlkSabb: has anyone tried just e-mailing Valve?
FliPPeh: Yes
BlkSabb: do they answer?
FliPPeh: But do you really think they'd just give a clear answer?
FliPPeh: They won't give any information about it
kloplop321: does anyone here know how to print a pdf to a real printer from a terminal command? google keeps linking to how to print to a pdf file.
AdrianBroher: http://tkjacobsen.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/print-pdf-files-from-bash/
AdrianBroher: your google fu is weak
kloplop321: Well, I was heading towards this method. I figured out how to make ps files from pdf
kloplop321: /opt/Adobe/Reader9/bin/acroread -toPostScript -optimizeForSpeed blah.pdf
kloplop321: thanks though
AdrianBroher: np
FliPPeh: kloplop used google. It's not very effective.
FliPPeh: Oh god, I start doing it, too
FliPPeh: Pong
christian_lappy: ping
FliPPeh: :)
FliPPeh: wrong order
FliPPeh: Ping? Pong!
christian_lappy: lol
christian_lappy: FliPPeh: ping :-)
ryan22: hmm do any of you guys know if uoti is still maintaining the mplayer git branch
ryan22: it hasn't had a commit for 2 weeks
ryan22: Kovensky hasn't updated his branch since june 4 either
ryan22: i was going to make an ubuntu ppa with automated builds of the git mplayer but if its no longer being updated...
meGenius: ryan22: why don't you use VLC
ryan22: because VLC's interface is crap
ryan22: but mplayer is more lightweight as a backend
ryan22: *plus
ryan22: Well I sent off an e-mail to Uoti asking him if he's still maintaining the Git branch.
ryan22: whoops
ryan22: Well I sent off an e-mail to Uoti asking him if he's still maintaining the Git branch.
ryan22: I told him earlier this month that I would be willing to make an Ubuntu PPA with automated builds of mplayer-git, but if it's no longer being updated, I'm just going use SVN instead.
Kovensky: Kovensky hasn't updated his branch since june 4 either <-- pushed to it 30 minutes before you said that :p
ryan22: ah
Kovensky: he only updated the ffmpeg stuff though
Kovensky: no mplayer changes
ryan22: ya i noticed only mplayer-build was changed
ryan22: hmm
ryan22: and theres zero chance that svn will take in uoti's changes right?
Kovensky: Well I sent off an e-mail to Uoti asking him if he's still maintaining the Git branch. <-- poke uau on #mplayer
Kovensky: and yes; they even completely removed his commit access last month ._.
ryan22: i think its forking time
ryan22: i need a decent build of mplayer that i can use in the OEM media center im planning/developing
ryan22: and multi-threading, va-api and vdpau are very important, as there are what lets the atom cpu handle hd h.264 video
thomashc: hello
ryan22: hey
FliPPeh: HI
thomashc: hey ryan22, FliPPeh, what's up?
ryan22: politics
FliPPeh: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags/1732454#1732454
FliPPeh: This still makes me chuckle :)
thomashc: lol
thomashc: ryan22, http://imagebin.ca/view/G3mEiao.html I've been working on this for the last few days, check it out, it's an IDE supporting Python, C, and Ruby so far ;)
FliPPeh: Add Haskell
thomashc: No XD
thomashc: Have other, more important languages to add
FliPPeh: You'll never have me as a fan then.
thomashc: Though Haskell would be easy
FliPPeh: HASKELL IS IMPORTANT!
thomashc: ....all the coders using haskell are elitist and obnoxious.
thomashc: *Cough*
FliPPeh: I am!
thomashc: lol
FliPPeh: Although I'm drifting off to C
FliPPeh: I like C, even if it's a pain :(
thomashc: FliPPeh, you can add support for any language really, you just have to declare a new function in the syntax.py module. it's really easy actually.
FliPPeh: is still asserting why
thomashc: haha, C is nice...for some things
FliPPeh: I think I like OS integration
FliPPeh: And the "nothing hidden" paradigm
FliPPeh: That's why I probably never appreciate python :/
FliPPeh: It does stuff! But I don't know what!
thomashc: lol
thomashc: Python is still very nixe
thomashc: *nice
thomashc: loves python
thomashc: would I code a kernel in it? no
thomashc: lol
FliPPeh: I don't like the forced namespaces
FliPPeh: If I import sys, I don't want to still call it "sys.uname"
ryan22: Kovensky: uoti just responded to my email. he;s been a bit busy lately but has made some non-public changes
FliPPeh: plays some nethack
thomashc: well that was odd
ZeZu: the interface to python being strictly C is disgusting as well
ZeZu: and wrappers don't do the bottom end justice
ryan22: looks nice
ryan22: thomashc: you should look into textmate for inspiration
thomashc: hmm?
ryan22: http://macromates.com/
ryan22: best text editor on the mac
FliPPeh: vim!
ryan22: im too lazy to learn my text editor ;)
thomashc: I am gonna take influence from xcode
ryan22: boo
ryan22: no stick with the gedit with minial ide features idea
ryan22: :P
thomashc: eww
FliPPeh: vim!
ryan22: i use gedit and filezilla to make web pages
thomashc: dislikes gedit
ryan22: much nicer than dreamweaver
FliPPeh: Oh god, Dreamweaver
FliPPeh: Overkill!
ryan22: yes
FliPPeh: I always edit my files directly via SSH on the webserver root :/
ryan22: heh
FliPPeh: Zobmie Panic \o/
ryan22: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/06/17/copyright-astroturfe.html
ryan22: they're getting desparate :P
skyhirider: heh, dint know that astosurfing existed, heh thanks for the reference :P
Sir_Brizz: we all know textmate is great and also a huge ripoff
skyhirider: does vim highlight code?
AdrianBroher: yes
skyhirider: neat
ryan22: nano does too now
ryan22: mousepad doesn;t though
skyhirider: really? havent used it for a while, vi is enough for the easy stuff for me
ryan22: i like gedit
ryan22: its a graphical nano
skyhirider: yeah, gedit is good when you have x, but no x for me on the server sadly
skyhirider: doesnt vi or vim have a gui for gnome thou?
AdrianBroher: gvim
skyhirider: hmm odd, have two vims in the repos, vim-gtk and vim-gnome
Sir_Brizz: ryan22: have you tried Redcar?
ryan22: nope
Sir_Brizz: it's a JRuby "port" of TextMate
ryan22: looks awesome
ryan22: and its not not $53 like textmate
ryan22: which to be honest i didnt pay...
FliPPeh: PIRATE
FliPPeh: You wouldn't download a car!
ryan22: i'm willing to pay $20 for a text editor but $53, fuck no
ryan22: man mac os x
ryan22: the os where you have to pay $12 to get an uninstaller
skyhirider: heh, imagine that total commander is sold for 20 if i remember right
ryan22: *cough* appzapper *cough*
skyhirider: thats a good price for a great app!
ryan22: mac os x should just have package management
skyhirider: 12 for an uninstaller?
ryan22: yes
skyhirider: why?
ryan22: http://www.appzapper.com/
Sir_Brizz: I would download a car if I could
ryan22: you know how youre supposed to just drag your apps to the trash on mac os x to remove them
skyhirider: oh lord, you gotta be kidding me
ryan22: ya that leaves behind all the settings and cache files. sometimes system settings too
skyhirider: and there is no alternative free easy way to clean the apps?
ryan22: going into 5 different directories and deleting them yourself
skyhirider: ahh, one thing why i switched to linux was package management
skyhirider: couldnt stand windows and its craptastic apps
ryan22: the best is the application installers that love to screw your permissions
ryan22: because of the fancy permission scheme mac os x has to allow your to do stuff like install apps without root access
ryan22: so like youre supposed to run repair permissions before every major mac os x revision
skyhirider: well, i remember now how i hated that i had to download an app for deleting locked files and than hack it in the registry with regedit to get rid of some files, ahh the ease of use of windows
ryan22: and every month for the hell of it cuz if you dont mac os x just bog slow
ryan22: mac fanboys never tell you that stuff :p
skyhirider: i just dont get it why they didnt do an app store that you can download and install aps, or delete them for mac
skyhirider: haha, i hated mac from the moment i saw the mouse has a single button
skyhirider: what a waste of a hand
skyhirider: but its user friendly and cool, and thats all that counts
ryan22: oh and those application installers cant actually uninstall, so youre forced to remove the apps manually if they dont include a separate uninstall script (appzapper doesnt usually work on apps installed with an installer)
skyhirider: heh
ryan22: skyhrider: dont give them ideas. i dont want them telling mac developers that they have to code in c, c++ and objective-c like they did with the iphone
skyhirider: why on earth doesnt apple make a central repo with apps and sells each for 99cents like on the iphone, would make sence, be better and they would even earn cash
ryan22: i rather like firefox
skyhirider: ahh right, the dreaded apple changed the rules for coders
ryan22: well theyre probably thinking about it
ryan22: but remember apple bans gpl apps on their store
ryan22: :P
skyhirider: hah, yeah, read that when they find and app they kill it
skyhirider: heard that the agreement of use allows them to remove the app after it has been installed by you on the phone
skyhirider: was a really neat trick to get the closed agreement using an law loophole with nasa thou, was a fun read
ryan22: http://blog.admob.com/2010/06/09/mobile-advertising-and-the-iphone/
ryan22: apple is ten times worse than microsft ever was
skyhirider: yeah, but that actually may be justified, read that some people were getting popups more than was natural
ryan22: at least microsoft didnt lock down their os so i had to use ie and ms office
skyhirider: microsoft is a hybrid, locked from the inside but open to the outside world
skyhirider: apple is just a bunker, if you come in you'll never come out alive
ryan22: skyhrider: i have a iphone with admob supported apps. i have never had a popup
ryan22: :p
skyhirider: but people buy their stuff because its nice and works, a thing some devs should learn to make their products more used
skyhirider: and whats admob?
ryan22: i love too how the fanboys justified apple bans all thrid party toolkits cuz of flash
ryan22: google's advertisement platform for smartphone apps
skyhirider: i read that some people got a popup to donate to a charity or something
skyhirider: ahh
skyhirider: so basically you have an app and you got ads in it?
ryan22: some of them even tried to tell me that apple wasn;t trying to discourage cross-plaftform development with that clause
ryan22: skyhrider: yep
skyhirider: well, they want to control their platform for the worse or for the better, its their choice as long as it doesnt kill their income they will stay by it
ryan22: basically apple decided that google was making too much money of the ads in the iphone apps, so they launched their own platform and banned google admob
skyhirider: but there really hast to be a bunker like this so there could also exist a meadow like linux
skyhirider: well, apple does not like google, with the htc lawsuit and all
FliPPeh: Apple sucks
FliPPeh: Case closed
ryan22: adobe called for an anti-trust investigation over the third-party toolkits. google is doing the same over the ads
skyhirider: they know google has a better product and that it will be their doom
skyhirider: well, i hate flash
ryan22: "I guess honest competition is below Steve Jobs these days. HTC making too much progress? Sue them. Android growing too fast? Sue it indirectly within the HTC suit. Want to enter a new market where someone else is already really successful? Use legalese to knock them out cold - happy AdMob-using developers be damned. Het doel heiligt de middelen." - OSNews
skyhirider: the fact that adobe chose to postpone their 64b player proves that there is no room for one commercial company on the net that can keep a lockdown of a widely used technology
ryan22: i do too, but apple's only using that as a smokescreen
ryan22: i really do not like the fact that mozilla is only supporting vp8, thora and vorbis
skyhirider: well they have to sue, otherwise the would loose too much with nokia, have to lower their loses
ryan22: its very ms-like
skyhirider: yeah, agreed
ryan22: they are trying to force us to use formats
ryan22: just bind the thing to ffmpeg, remove the protected codecs and call it a day
skyhirider: true, just like adobe forces a 32b player
ryan22: yep
skyhirider: meh, just use gstreamer or something that can work it all, outsource it if you cant do it yourself
ryan22: open source is about choice
skyhirider: hope it will be adobes doom, 64 is here now, get on the train or stay behind on the trainstation
ryan22: eh gstreamer is unneeded. i just use gstreamer-ffmpeg anyways :P
skyhirider: heh, i download everything that has gstreamer in it, just to be safe :P
ryan22: they made a perfect clone of directshow, complete with all the drawbacks
ryan22: ie. having to actually download codecs
skyhirider: i dont really watch formats much, just want to plug and play whenever i put something in or download it
ryan22: hell on windows, i just use ffdshow
skyhirider: i used to use klite mega codec pack on windows, that thing was huge!
ryan22: i like the cccp codec pack
skyhirider: but they should really make a repo with all the codes, need something it gets downloaded automatically
ryan22: which is basically ffdshow with the haali media splitter
skyhirider: yeah, cccp is good too
ryan22: well theres mediubuntu
ryan22: but eh this is 2010
skyhirider: wish software didnt have that darn patent minefield layed out all over it, we could advance so much faster technologically
ryan22: there's no reason why a user should have to worry about codecs
skyhirider: medibuntu, that sounds odd :P
skyhirider: true
ryan22: ffmpeg even allows you to only compile certain codecs
skyhirider: basically, thats what apple did, the user does not need to worry, hes got everything given on a silver platter
ryan22: and even you bind it to ffmpeg without including everything, its just a compile away to support everything
ryan22: eh
ryan22: quicktime is crap
skyhirider: i just hope in 20 years, all this silliness about sw patents will be over
ryan22: mac os x has horrible support for h.264 acceleration and 5.1 passthrough
ryan22: well its on the us essentially
ryan22: my country doesnt have them
ryan22: canda
skyhirider: really, and how is it working? can you use something that is patented abroad?
ryan22: yep cuz the patents dont apply
skyhirider: or you can make and use it but cant "export"?
skyhirider: neat
ryan22: i can export to countries without the patents
skyhirider: hmm, and if a coder was from europe but made his code using a cloud that was on a server in canada?
ryan22: h.264 is free tech here if you use open source software
skyhirider: neat
ryan22: that actually happened with pgp
skyhirider: canada=foss heaven :P
ryan22: retty much
ryan22: we dont even have the dmca, yet
skyhirider: any risks of changes thou?
ryan22: they are trying to push it through but have failed twice and are about to, in my opinion, fail again
skyhirider: as we see many extremist and communist political parties raising here in europe
ryan22: p2p is legal here too as long as you dont upload
skyhirider: heh, p2p without uploading cant work ;)
ryan22: we pay taxes on cds and dvds that go towards the artists
ryan22: shh. i dont think anyone here has gotten sued though
skyhirider: isnt that global thou? know we pay a cd tax here too
ryan22: maybe
ryan22: p2p is part of our culture
skyhirider: heh, heard there is a witch hun on p2p users in the use, lawyers are basically blackmailing people
skyhirider: pay or get sued
ryan22: well they do throttle bt here
skyhirider: glad to hear at least someone can use it more openly
ryan22: my isp throttles it from 4:30pm to 1:30 am
skyhirider: qos?
ryan22: but ya there was a lot of blowback against the digital locking provisions they were trying to push through: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/
ryan22: pretty much
skyhirider: same thing here, thou i know my network provider so i dont have it enabled
skyhirider: dont download much thou, and when i download its usally big demos or linux distros
ryan22: every consumer group came out against it
ryan22: i have a server with a 3.5 TB array with over 200 hd movies
ryan22: acquired through less than legal means :P
ryan22: cuz i refuse to buy blu-rays
skyhirider: ahh, you bad person!
skyhirider: :D
skyhirider: dvd should be dead by know, but are good for milking money from ppl
ryan22: like seriously required my player to have a net connection so it can decrypt newer movies
ryan22: screw that noise
skyhirider: shops shoul imho just copy the movie to your usb stick when you buy it, would be cheaper, more user friendly and better for the enviroment
ryan22: http://infinityos.net/node/47
skyhirider: ahh, remember when sony had a rootkit in its drm music manager
ryan22: thats my idea of a decent media authentication system
skyhirider: really cool stuff, when you added a certain string to a directory it would become absolutely invisible, even the anti virus could see it
ryan22: lol
skyhirider: and also, THE ANTIVIRUS COLDNT SEE IT
ryan22: thats essentially blu-ray
skyhirider: long story short, sony asked, why are the people concerned if they even dont know what a rootkit is
ryan22: hell pretty soon you likely wont be able to play blu-rays on the ps3 without removing the linux capabilities (sony removed the multi-os feature in the newer firmware)
skyhirider: imagine that most of the viruses that time used this little string to stay in your pc undetected
skyhirider: was even used in a few game hacks, as the hack was invisible by anticheat stuff
tkmorris: http://tremolo.edgesuite.net/clients/1084_google-youtube/002_ign_e3/index.html
skyhirider: yeah, heard about that
ryan22: yes modern drm is not about protcting content, its about making sure you can also use it in the ways they wish
skyhirider: service = vendor lock in
skyhirider: also, gabe is too fat
ryan22: they want to open the dorr for you and be able to kick you out
ryan22: they wont even give us the key
skyhirider: thats why i like to support indie devs, like the humble bundle
ryan22: they have to open and unlock the door
ryan22: and watch you as you walk inside
skyhirider: the cant/wont, will make less money that way
skyhirider: well said mate
ryan22: i say why not just give us the keys
ryan22: and let us unlock the door ourselves
ryan22: hell make it illegal to publish the keys without permission
skyhirider: well, a semi open model works, as game devs hire modders nowadays
ryan22: but just let me open the damn door
ryan22: myself
skyhirider: some things have to stay closed, but too many things are closed for my liking still
ryan22: we have the technologies too. mastroka and pgp
skyhirider: we had the technologies 10 years ago
ryan22: just encrypt the technology using pgp and give away the public keys
ryan22: authenicate with a keyserver
skyhirider: just not enough force to move them
skyhirider: take how old email is
skyhirider: every darn email should be digitally signed, and say goodbye to spam
ryan22: well the problem is that the legislators dont understand the tech
skyhirider: yup
ryan22: and let the companies dupe them
ryan22: which is why i wrote this letter and sent it to a bunch of mps here
ryan22: http://infinityos.net/node/47
skyhirider: the old way of thinking has to die out for the new to come
ryan22: i think i may have linked it above
ryan22: we have to educate the governments
ryan22: and show them the repercusions of their laws
ryan22: banning circumventing digital locks? that means i can't install programs that are not written in c, c++ and object-c on my iphone/ipad
skyhirider: i like your letter and way of thinking, the web of trust sounds like a good idea
skyhirider: if people had something material that they could relate the content to, they wouldnt share it so easily
ryan22: if we don't fight back, one day these locks will extend to our pcs and restrict what applications and web sites we can use and visit
ryan22: and its already happening with the ipad
skyhirider: somebody buys that fat iphone?
ryan22: skyhirider: copyright works. we just need a paradigim shift to enforce it
skyhirider: i say steve overfed it
skyhirider: yup
ryan22: supposibly quite a few already
FliPPeh: OH GOD
FliPPeh: GLADOS LIVES
FliPPeh: runs
skyhirider: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/can-apple-even-dictate-what-tools-you-use/6694
skyhirider: took you long enough to find the trailer
FliPPeh: I didn't activly search
skyhirider: ooh, dell has a ubuntu store http://ostatic.com/blog/dells-slick-new-netbooks-are-available-with-ubuntu
skyhirider: yes, i am reading my long forgotten rss feed :P
skyhirider: no worries mate, just thought you would be informed sooner :)
FliPPeh: :)
Sir_Brizz: skyhirider: it's no surprise that Apple is more of an enemy to open source than Microsoft :p
skyhirider: apple is the silent foss killer, compared to balmer and his foss cancer
Sir_Brizz: heh
Sir_Brizz: well
Sir_Brizz: Apple had a big segment at WWDC about how much better than Android they are
Sir_Brizz: which is proof positive that they are terrified of Android
skyhirider: yeah, they are crying when not in the prime light
Sir_Brizz: and I'm sorry but Android 2.2 is way more advances than iOS4
skyhirider: i dont know about hardware(thou heard that htc are quality devices), but the sw is open so the mods are litimtless
Sir_Brizz: yeah Android's biggest hurdle is hardware
Sir_Brizz: the iPhone just has way more hardware features than any Android phone
skyhirider: iphone, made by your friendly chinese citizen which we can exploit even more thanks to your generous donations
Sir_Brizz: hehe
skyhirider: are any of those things actually manufactured in the states?
Sir_Brizz: heck no
Sir_Brizz: they can't afford to build them here
skyhirider: thought so, if it aint made by the chinese it does not exist in this plane of existence
skyhirider: bet they even make those "made in #insertrandomcountryhere" stickers in china
Sir_Brizz: lol
skyhirider: if you order something from china, they wil even put anything you want on the order you made
skyhirider: my father ordered a few motors, and they even added his company logos there, great support they have
FliPPeh: If you order something from china, it takes 1 month to arrive :(
FliPPeh: Still waiting for my LED snowballs.
skyhirider: true
skyhirider: but its cheap like hell
FliPPeh: Oh yes
FliPPeh: Dealextreme.com
FliPPeh: DEAD cheap
skyhirider: sold here for 100 bucks? can get it from china for 20
FliPPeh: I can order a pile of 100 batteries for $2.95
FliPPeh: Here in germany the same amount costs 50 EUR
skyhirider: they will control the world if they keep up the pace
FliPPeh: They already do
FliPPeh: puts on dead serious face
skyhirider: if a war comes, noone will be able to supply enough things to defend with
FliPPeh: Oh god, nuclear weapons made in china
FliPPeh: Explode when touched
skyhirider: nah, they dont need weapons, they have cash
FliPPeh: I sometimes wonder how these products survive in factories
FliPPeh: :D
skyhirider: just need to wait for the europe countries in the union to start collapsing and then start investing in them
skyhirider: :D
FliPPeh: clicks repeat on the portal 2 trailer for the fourth tim
FliPPeh: I love the new soundtrack
FliPPeh: Hey!
FliPPeh: I live in Europe :(
FliPPeh: I don't want to collapse
FliPPeh: All greece's fault
skyhirider: watch the vid from the valve presentation, the robot head companion is awesome!
skyhirider: hes also brittish :D
FliPPeh: :D
skyhirider: true, but europe should have done somethign when they found out they falsified their stats so they could enter it
skyhirider: make a single black hole that is big enough and you can flush the whole milky way
skyhirider: grece=black hole
FliPPeh: We're heading towards an inflation that can't be stopped
FliPPeh: All that is left is damage reduction
FliPPeh: Sad.
FliPPeh: How a single country can fuck up our shit so bad
skyhirider: think there are too many people in the parlament, its harder to make a choice if there is a big croud
FliPPeh: Now Portugal, Spain, Island
FliPPeh: All go down
skyhirider: slovakia is in a bad position too
skyhirider: we had a socialist madman ruling over us for 4 years
skyhirider: he won the election this year too with over 30%, but the opposition made an alliance and cut him off luckily
FliPPeh: We have a woman on the top!
skyhirider: we will have a woman now
FliPPeh: :D
skyhirider: first woman there, will be interesting
FliPPeh: Not that I don't trust her because she's a woman
skyhirider: of course not:)
FliPPeh: It's all a matter of competence
FliPPeh: But most of our politicians are...
skyhirider: as long as she can bite she should be fine
FliPPeh: I'm not gonna say it
FliPPeh: They're strangers in their own world
FliPPeh: They don't get WHAT'S wrong
skyhirider: its a curse of the office i guess
skyhirider: if theyre too long in the parlament they get flawed
FliPPeh: They should start by cutting their own slaries
FliPPeh: Before they tear our social life apart more and more
FliPPeh: Soon there's just gonna be rich and poor
FliPPeh: Nothing in between
FliPPeh: And I'm in the right age to directly grow into this mess
FliPPeh: Poor me
skyhirider: i personally think humanity is moving in circles, the oldest generation can remember a similar fad the new generation is experiencing as a revolution
robotti^: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVoaMlzvGIw
FliPPeh: Humanity is failure by design!
FliPPeh: I must know. I'm part of it.
FliPPeh: Intelligence works well for a unity.. but not for a mass.
FliPPeh: That's my personal opinion
FliPPeh: Many single people make smart decissions on their own - A group of people makes bad decissions.
FliPPeh: This is why politics fail
skyhirider: yup
skyhirider: need less politicians
FliPPeh: Needs moar anarchy!
FliPPeh: 2012!
FliPPeh: still hopes for the obligatory zombie outbreak
skyhirider: will be interesing to see what happens with korea
FliPPeh: I played enough Zombie Panic to know what to do
skyhirider: the have nothing to eat and are pulling everything into military
skyhirider: yes, sit by your pc and shoot more zombies
FliPPeh: Oh yes, korea
FliPPeh: I wonder when all of their provocation will turn into trouble
FliPPeh: They only have like 8 A-Bombs..
FliPPeh: Zombiiieees
FliPPeh: rararar
Azalyn: what we need...
Azalyn: is opensource government.
Azalyn: :O
Azalyn: then we can just flame eachother on the mailing lists all day
skyhirider: that would fail, too many opinions and too few place to make them happen
FliPPeh: Yay flamewars
Azalyn: flamewars are awesome though.
Sleepy_Coder: sets fire to Azalyn
Sleepy_Coder: I fixed it :D
skyhirider: the senate looks like a first grade school gathering to me, kids just yelling at each other
Azalyn: don't be silly, i don't burn.
Sleepy_Coder: Not above the belt anyway...
FliPPeh: Flamewar -> Real war
FliPPeh: Obama wanted to make an open government
FliPPeh: He failed at that
FliPPeh: As he failed at so much more
Azalyn: azalyn is invulnerable to all elements and laws of physics.
Azalyn: obama did *not* want to make an "open government"
skyhirider: smacks Azalyn with an Azalyn
Azalyn: please tell me you don't buy the "obama change" mantra.
skyhirider: take that, youre not immune to yourself!
Azalyn: kicks skyhirider in the nads.
Azalyn: you fool, are you trying to divide by zero!?
Azalyn: >:O
FliPPeh: :o
Azalyn: you'll doom us all!
skyhirider: asks what nads are, thou he has a guess but is too lazy to google
skyhirider: haha, and the universe will explode
alexandernst: F34R
skyhirider: can i haz moar flame with my wars?
FliPPeh: divides by zero. It's very effective.
alexandernst: ok...I have a question...
alexandernst: when will be steam for linux available? (when succesfull divide by 0 is not a valid answer)
alexandernst: (answers containing "chuck norris" either)
skyhirider: but chuck divided by zero and made steam work on linux
skyhirider: short answer: nobody knows
alexandernst: chuck divided by 0, and windows was created as critical exception error
alexandernst: in fact, win kernel is the dump of the crash
Azalyn: man, enough with the chuck norris jokes already, it was funny before we found out he was a right-wing dumbass.
Azalyn: but now that we know that he's a total pansy, it's just not funny anymore.
skyhirider: chuks a pansy?
Azalyn: yes.
skyhirider: pics or it didnt happen!
Azalyn: i can do better
Azalyn: there's youtube vids
FliPPeh: Yuck
Azalyn: one sec.
alexandernst: I don't know what that means, and I preffer not to know :)
FliPPeh: WiFi failure
skyhirider: you really should get cable
Azalyn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlaWbCbZhAA
Azalyn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDUQW8LUMs8
skyhirider: says the man with an wifi antenna on his roof :D
Azalyn: there you go.
skyhirider: oh dear lord, what the hell?!
skyhirider: my eyes, THEY BURN
FliPPeh: I would love to get cable
FliPPeh: But the room doesn't allow it!
FliPPeh: I'll buy me some long cables soon
Azalyn: when you say "cable", do you mean ethernet cabling? or actually talking about a cable internet isp? :|
FliPPeh: Ethernet, yup
FliPPeh: there's wifi ISPs?
Azalyn: then say ethernet.
Azalyn: there aren't, but that's exactly why it's confusing to use improper terminology.
FliPPeh: :x
Azalyn: anyways, as you can see from those videos.
Azalyn: chuck is a douche bag pansy.
skyhirider: :D
skyhirider: i am mortified!
FliPPeh: YEAH TOAST
Azalyn: but yeah, like i was saying before. don't tell me you all buy obama's bullshit.
FliPPeh: Nope
FliPPeh: I don't buy any politican stuff
Azalyn: i mean the guy *supports* ACTA, that tells you *everything* you need to know about him.
Azalyn: he's an evil motherfucker.
FliPPeh: Oh god.
Azalyn: the only difference between him and bush, is that obama is actually *intelligent*, which of course is worse because it means he's smart enough to know how to fool people into following him.
Azalyn: that's why he's been able to 'inspire' so many people.
Azalyn: but he's a total corporate shill.
Azalyn: just like what we had before.
Azalyn: honestly, the usa is a lost cause i think. we can't save it, all we can do is riot and take control by force. :P
Azalyn: and then rebuild from scratch.
FliPPeh: Luckily I don't live there.
Azalyn: i live in canada. but i was born in the usa, so i have dual citizenship.
Azalyn: a lot of the bullshit in the usa affects us, because of trade, and because they put pressure on us to follow their lead on many things.
Azalyn: like ACTA, i seriously doubt canada would be involved in that bullshit otherwise. but of course, if their closest neighbor doesn't participate, it will make the usa look bad. just like we made them look bad by not participating in their "missile defense"
skyhirider: I'm off to bed, kinda late here in Europe, see you tomorrow lads
robotti^: win 41
robotti^: oh no
RambJoe: http://www.thekartel.com/zylvin/blog/2010/06/17/valve_plans_to_have_cross-platform_co-op_between_ps3_and_pcmac_for_portal_2
RambJoe: omfg lol
Quan-Time: not for x360 tho.. i find this all surprising.. Since gabe is a ex-MS employee, he usually caters for them perfectly.
Quan-Time: and does his best to piss off *nix users.
RambJoe: can you imagine playing people on css
RambJoe: when they ahve controllers lol
McDuck: Quan-Time: do you have any proof of that? not all ms.employees are narrow sighted.
RambJoe: they fixed the 3 red lights on the new xbox
RambJoe: wanna know how?
RambJoe: they took the red leds out LOL
nyxkn: yeah, no more rrod :P
RambJoe: lol
RambJoe: love microsofts way of "fixing" things
FliPPeh: Hiding until it's found?
nyxkn: the new xbox also eats your discs if you move it :)
Daekdroom: Does it make a fun noise while doing that?
nyxkn: i suppose so
nyxkn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qblBGTtMMhY
nyxkn: :P
Quan-Time: i dont need proof, this is the interbuttz.. where "here-say" and speculation is king
FliPPeh: oh god
FliPPeh: 97% RAM, 35% SWAP
McDuck: FliPPeh: sounds aweful
Daekdroom: Mahmoree leek
FliPPeh: That was me playing TF2
FliPPeh: Some more RAM is being delivered tomorrow :)
McDuck: how much do you have?
FliPPeh: 2G
RambJoe: didn't the old 360 scratch discs too when moved
McDuck: would have guessed that should be eough
FliPPeh: It is
FliPPeh: I can play just fine
FliPPeh: But it's really on the border
McDuck: well if you use the swap it is under the border :)
nyxkn: it did RambJoe. Microsoft is really pro at fixing stuff :)
FliPPeh: Swap is slow
FliPPeh: :(
RambJoe: lol
McDuck: very very slow indeed
Daekdroom: nyxkn, do any other console do that?
nyxkn: i wouldn't know. never heard of
nyxkn: but there's a whole page on wiki about 360's techincal problems
McDuck: I have no idea how this irc client works... can someone please write my name. Want to see what color it chanes the channel to :) (faster than the man pages)
nyxkn: and that's not yet counting the new version i suppose :P
Daekdroom: McDuck, why should we? >:(
McDuck: Daekdroom: Well for one I asked for some help and two you are not totally unfriendly? isn't that enough? Thank yyou btw
nyxkn: McDuck
Daekdroom: Sarcasm, my friend, sarcasm.
McDuck: nyxkn: thanks :)
nyxkn: McDuck, you're welcome :)
McDuck: Daekdroom: rarely works in text :(. but I get the points now :)
FliPPeh: rararar
McDuck: anyone tried the opengl performance of the 10.6 catalyst drivers - in that case any difference?
Bruners: anyone installed 10.6 on linux? installed it yesterday but amdccle reports 10.5
Azalyn: Bruners: someone in the phoronix forums said the same thing i believe.
Bruners: i'm slightly sad at the moment, my old computer with nvidia 8600GT on win7 is running HoN better than my current with ATI hd4870 on linux :(
nyxkn: aww :(
Azalyn: Heroes of Newerth ?
Bruners: yes
Azalyn: hm, using the native client?
Azalyn: not wine?
Bruners: obviously the native client
Azalyn: the problem might be the game itself... the linux drivers for both ati and nvidia are supposed to be the same performance-wise as the windows drivers. the 3D code is shared between both platforms in the drivers.
Azalyn: but maybe the game isn't as optimized on linux. if you use an assembler like nasm you can write the same assembly for both platforms, but maybe they didn't bother, and so they only have optimizations on windows, or something..
Daekdroom: Or ATI Catalyst for Linux sucks
Bruners: or that :)
nyxkn: does 10.6 work with xorg 1.8?
Azalyn: aren't they using directx on windows?
Azalyn: that could also be the problem.. maybe their opengl backend isn't as optimized as the d3d one.
Azalyn: saying "ati catalyst sucks" is a convenient answer, but ati isn't always to blame. in benchmarks, the performance of the windows drivers vs the linux ones have been very close recently (like the past year and maybe a bit more)
RambJoe: anyone have firefox 3.7
RambJoe: when you open a new tab its animated now =/
Azalyn: ati's problems are usually not related to performance, but rather, stability.
Bruners: nyxkn: works fine but not supported (you have to patch xorg to report lower version)
Bruners: Azalyn: no problems with stability here, only performance
nyxkn: i see
nyxkn: i'll try that
Bruners: the only thing that doesn't work is the new InputClass in xorg.conf
Bruners: their aticonfig doesn't know about it and fails
Azalyn: by the way, even if the problem doesn't occur on nvidia but occurs on ati, that still doesn't pinpoint the problem directly at ati... i was actually speaking with bridgeman on irc at one point, and he told me something interesting.
Azalyn: that the older ati drivers were not as good, and some games (on both windows and linux i imagine), implemented various hacks when they 'detected' an ati card.
Azalyn: this affected opengl only.
Azalyn: but they rewrote the whole opengl graphics stack at one point
Azalyn: and fixed those problems
Azalyn: however, some games may still be using those hacks when they detect an ati card.
Azalyn: which, now that ati has fixed the problems, has the opposite effect, it screws with performance while it tries to hack around a limitation that isn't there anymore.
Azalyn: so yeah, ati fixed their drivers, but game companies may not have updated their games to work properly. idealy the games should just disable any hacks.
Azalyn: of course, i'm not saying that *is* happening in your case, but it's one more possible explanation. the world is more complicated than just "ati catalyst sucks"
McDuck: Azalyn: ATI opengl used to suck yes but they rewrote it and it is in much better shape now. I have read in the phonix forums about massive performace drops in HoN since catalyst 10.5 though. that might be the problem here. About stability otherwise, I've read that ATI uses a much more strict policy with the opengl standard. where nvidia might return 0 ATI would fail instead. Please correct me if I am wrong.
McDuck: the 0 thing was an example
Azalyn: i don't know about the strictness thing.
Azalyn: although, when i was talking with bridgeman, he did mention something about them following the opengl spec as it is written, i'm paraphrasing of course.
Azalyn: i'd have to dig it out of my logs, but feh, too lazy.
McDuck: don't bother. that is more or less what I've interpreted aswell from the forums. they follow the opengl spec a bit ore strictly
Azalyn: someone in the HoN forums said that S2 (the makers of the game) have actually admitted that the game's opengl backend isn't as optimized as the d3d backend.
McDuck: so many programs written might not work because the programs themself is actually wrong in some small way. This is ofcours ATI's own fault for being so late into the game.
McDuck: Probably true
McDuck: why would they optimize it as much? no good reason
Azalyn: i wouldn't blame ati for mistakes of the past. if they've gotten their act together now, then that means they're on the right path.
Azalyn: they're the only high-performance discreet gpu company to release hardware documentation so we could write opensource drivers.
Azalyn: in my book, that makes them #1
McDuck: They are definately on the right path. They have the opensource initiatie. Although not usable for me yet that will be in say maybe 3 years. And catalyst was 100% unusable for me before. Now it just lacks xv playbak tearing, new kernel/xorg support. And I suspect that is going to be correctged in the coming years.
McDuck: They are not my #1 since I do not care that much about open source. nVidia is the killer her having supported linux/freebsd in an awesome way although closed. But I agree that ATi/AMD is finally stepping up and making good thinfs
McDuck: *sry for spelling.
Azalyn: well, i've already decided to not buy nvidia anymore.
Azalyn: i will keep using my *old* nvidia cards, which i bought long before ATI's opensource strategy, in fact, before AMD even acquired ATI.
Azalyn: since there's not much i can do there, i mean i already have those cards. heh..
Azalyn: but i don't want to give nvidia any more money.
Azalyn: so i'm only buying ati from now on.
Azalyn: even if i have to 'wait' for their drivers to get better, and for the opensource drivers to improve.
Azalyn: besides, long term i'm going to just have a dual-machine configuration with a kvm.
Azalyn: so my gaming box will be separate.
heathen: hmm, and I'm contemplating getting a pc w/nvidia ion 9400
Azalyn: maybe i'll also start using nouveau on this box at some point in the future. since if i game on another machine, i don't really need 3D as much here.
McDuck: Fair enough. I'm going to keep giving my money to nvidia until ati can give me something I want that nVidia doesn't :P
Azalyn: you both suck! >:O
Azalyn: pouts
heathen: I have a FX5500 and I can't get nouveau to work with it.
Bruners: Azalyn: why no more nvidia?
McDuck: that was uncalled for
Bruners: i have had it with ATI at least
Azalyn: Bruners: is your irc chat buffer only three lines long or something? :P
Azalyn: even in 800x600, everything i said should still be in your buffer.
Bruners: Azalyn: i have read everything you wroted, didn't find a reason
Azalyn: because they have no opensource strategy, i thought that was implied.
McDuck: I do use ati aswell. hd3200 on a laptop. the windows support is *sry for swering* fucking horrible. the piece of shit just doesn't work with anything past catalyst 9.12. And don't mention the drivers for motherbaord thingie. they _do_not_work_with_suspend which is important to laptops. Works beautifylly on linux up until 10.5 (haven't tried 10.6)
Azalyn: although you know, even if you don't factor in opensource, the nvidia situation is looking pretty bad long-term. they are going to have a hard time competing with amd and intel. especially when they start doing the whole "cpu+gpu" combo chips.
Azalyn: and in the current generation, amd/ati's hardware smokes the nvidia stuff. nvidia's latest cores are furnaces.
heathen: anybody using the i3-i7 on-chip gpu?
Azalyn: i don't see amd losing their lead anytime soon. they just have way more resources.
McDuck: Azakyn: You are mentioning general nvidia problems right now. nothing that has anything to do with linux. Yes nvidia is in some trouble with the latest architecture. The whole tech world knows that
Azalyn: ATI was a smaller company than nvidia, but AMD+ATI is an order of magnitude bigger than nvidia.
heathen: does amd have a cpu w/ on-chip gpu?
Azalyn: i don't think so, not yet. they're working on amd fusion though.
heathen: what's "fusion"?
MoOog: I have the HD5750, support is so so
McDuck: I'm going to leave now. Speculations war is not my thing. bye. Good night
Azalyn: McDuck: yes, i intentionally branched the topic. that's why i said "even if you don't factor in opensource"
Azalyn: heathen: it's the codename for amd's cpu+gpu architecture.
FliPPeh: I thought it was Dragon?
FliPPeh: Ahh
FliPPeh: That was the old platform
Azalyn: http://fusion.amd.com/
Azalyn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Fusion
heathen: thanks for the linkies
bluekoala: They've been talking about fusion for years now
bluekoala: I'm glad it's finally coming together
bluekoala: But I won't buy into it the first round though; learnt my lesson with the phenom...
FliPPeh: Phenoms are nice
FliPPeh: :(
bluekoala: Phenom II are nice
FliPPeh: That's waht I have
bluekoala: I was expecting a bit more from my phenom
FliPPeh: But I had a Phenom I before
bluekoala: My expectations were high
bluekoala: I thought it'd be a lot better than athlon
bluekoala: Bit it was only slightly better
bluekoala: Still not very comptetitive vs c2q
bluekoala: Phenom and hd 2000 was really bad news for daamit
bluekoala: So they had the spider platform and the dragon platform....
bluekoala: I'm thinking the next one has to be scorpion
bluekoala: I would buy a poster, cause of my astrological sign and I'm all supersticious and stuff
bluekoala: and AMD fanboyish
bluekoala: Just cause they're not Intel
bluekoala: Those p2 commercials ruined it for me
FliPPeh: The last pentiums were a scam anyways
FliPPeh: 2.6 GHz but slow as a snail
FliPPeh: anywaaaays
FliPPeh: 4:42 AM
bkero: lol
bkero: clockspeed doesn't mean dick when you're on netburst