Phoronix IRC Log: 2010-06-15
FliPPeh: nom nom nom
asraniel: prenom prenom prenom
Midler: steams/valves big day today huh?
Midler: or yesterday duh
Midler: anything new on the linux front?
FliPPeh: They didn't present anything at e3
Ivanovic: Midler: the press conference had a huge surprise (as announced)
Ivanovic: the surprise was that there was no press conference
FliPPeh: Awwww this is baaaad
Ivanovic: so there isn't additional information available
FliPPeh: noms sandvich
FliPPeh: Korpiklaani - Vodka
mastertheknife: that is like worst suprise ever
mastertheknife: so i doubt if its the suprise
asraniel: i really want to know when phoronix makes a official excuse for their steam linux lie
FliPPeh: asraniel: Why do you believe it's a lie?
FliPPeh: Might be true
FliPPeh: Might not.
asraniel: FliPPeh: well, at the point they made the news, it was a lie. whenever in the next 10 years there will be a version for linux or not, changes nothing that they announced the news with no news
asraniel: *with no sources
FliPPeh: How do you KNOW it's a lie
asraniel: FliPPeh: well, i believe in facts. and the facts tell me that there was a news without sources. if they had a source, we would know it by now. so the only thing left is that they made the story up, based on some clues and mostly rumors they created themselves. probably for the ad revenues.
FliPPeh: The alpha client seems like a good proof to me
djura-san: im off. bais :)
skyhirider: anyone knows if bind9 that comes from the Debian 5 repos is chrooted?
Megagun: Gabe talking on http://www.e3expo.com/ about Portal 2
Megagun: And he's gone again
adrian_broher: what a shittyx surprise
skyhirider: any valve made trailers yet?
FliPPeh: skyhirider: About what?
skyhirider: i dont know, anything they want
skyhirider: meet the pyro or medic would be nice
FliPPeh: MOAR HATS!
skyhirider: yes,trailers about moar hatz!
FliPPeh: Oh man, I'm watching some videos about Spyro 2 right now
FliPPeh: My first video game
RambJoe: when are valve on e3
skyhirider: heh, there are actually some people that thing valve vill announce duke nukem forever :D
FliPPeh: Most of the memories I can't assign a game to are indeed from spyro 2
FliPPeh: Beautiful game.
RambJoe: i love how someone can just make a shitty photoshop
RambJoe: then all the news sites use it as news
FliPPeh: Valve had never anything to do with Duke Nukem :/
skyhirider: hmm, spyro, thats the kid of spy and pyro right?
skyhirider: i know, its silly
skyhirider: id bet its a new source engine or something similar
FliPPeh: skyhirider: It's a beautiful little dragon :(
skyhirider: tell that after seeing this vid
FliPPeh: I saw it 10 minutes ago :)
FliPPeh: That's where I remembered the spyro game
FliPPeh: And looked for more videso
FliPPeh: Ohh, the memories
RambJoe: im not buying portal 2 if its not coming to linux
skyhirider: bloody hell
skyhirider: no comment on another shitty console port
skyhirider: next thing you know valve will be releasing tf2 on the friggin iphone
RambJoe: im going to make a thread on the forums in a min
skyhirider: kk, send the link then
RambJoe: thinking of what to say
skyhirider: bloody hell would be nice
skyhirider: but thats my catchphrase!
adrian_broher: http://pixelatedgeek.com/2010/06/e3-2010-portal-2-live-blog-coming-at-145-pm-pacific-time-today/ livescreen from valve presentation. Maybe there is something interesting.
adrian_broher: ah, even better
skyhirider: hmm indeed
RambJoe: i know
RambJoe: a poll
asraniel: what os is running on the ps3?
skyhirider: yes, a poll would be nice
skyhirider: thou making it on a linux crowd oriented forum is kinda obvious how the results will end
RambJoe: i did it on steam forum
RambJoe: fuck portal 2 looks epic too
skyhirider: yeah, especially the talking head you seem to carry around, reminds me of good old morte
RambJoe: linux 75%
RambJoe: who chose ps3 rofl
skyhirider: well, if you want to go into another vendor locking why not
RambJoe: if the results go to planned im sending to valve
skyhirider: id bet their spam filter deletes everything with the keyword linux in it heh
RambJoe: i wont say it then :P
RambJoe: they'll see onlin
RambJoe: lol at restults
RambJoe: 7 for linux 1 for ps3
skyhirider: you got a first reply mate!
skyhirider: well, obviously 7 ppl from phoronix voted ;)
RambJoe: on the stream lol
RambJoe: its the ps3
RambJoe: fail, what happened to mouse and keyboard -.-
skyhirider: wtf, mass effect 2 demo?!
s_20: 23:08:47 < RambJoe> fuck portal 2 looks epic too
s_20: any news on that?
RambJoe: hes playing it
tkmorris_: steam for ps3 announced
RambJoe: steam workds
tkmorris_: now "all plataforms" makes sense
tkmorris_: even if there's no GNU/Linux
RambJoe: oh shit lol
RambJoe: they turned stream off
RambJoe: he said will we ever see episode 3
RambJoe: then he went can you turn your camera off please or something
tkmorris_: where's that?
skyhirider: think he said portal 2 only
RambJoe: its back up lol
skyhirider: hmm, portal 2 will be steamworks enabled, will probably share community stuff
Nevtus: haha, I just read the news about Steam and I knew this place would be on fire
Nevtus: July for Steam on Linux?
Nevtus: meh, I've lost hope to be honest
tkmorris_: July is actually optimistic
Nevtus: I wasn't being serious
Nevtus: "However, Sony Computer Entertainment has proved that the PS3 is the most open platform-" so THAT'S what he meant by those comments about "open systems" a while back
RambJoe: more open than linux
RambJoe: what is this i dont even
Nevtus: I'll tell you what it is, it's bullshit
Ivanovic: marketing foo
Ivanovic: nothing else
yuastnav: Maybe those publicly available steam linux binaries were intended for the PS3?
Nevtus: yuastnav: that doesn't make sense
yuastnav: Most likely not.
Nevtus: what does the PS3 have to do with Linux?
yuastnav: You can install Linux on the PS3. :D
yuastnav: Or it was possible in the past.
Ivanovic: let me guess, before you play a steam games on the ps3 some "sony-linux" (that is case insensitive!) is booted and then you play...
Ivanovic: yeah, good one...
Nevtus: yuastnav: in a hypervisor, with no possibility of using the video card
asraniel: so. the "big news" is out, the "open platform" is ps3. time for phoronix to excuse in public
yuastnav: Well, I'm just wildly speculating.
yuastnav: Just venting my frustration here.
Ivanovic: asraniel: it was *never* said that anything about linux would be said at the E3
skyhirider: true, but you know us linux enthusiasts :P
yuastnav: And yet... some still hoped! :p
Ivanovic: and honestly, have you really thought they talk about a specific pc OS at a gaming conference in the US?
Ivanovic: there gaming is 95% console based!
yuastnav: Well, we cannot be held responsible for their mistakes.
yuastnav: So - why not?
skyhirider: console? you mean that black box that can play games? meh
asraniel: Ivanovic: anyway, phoronix made false news with no sources and should admit it
Ivanovic: only a fraction these days is PC gaming, at least in the US
Ivanovic: asraniel: why is it false news if their internal sources tell them that "soon" there will be a linux client?
Ivanovic: asraniel: you make asumptions that are not correct
skyhirider: well, if steam wont come to linux with portal 2 we can blame phoronix for false fire
skyhirider: but not yet, i trust michael so far
yuastnav: and we can flame the telegraph
skyhirider: burn it down!
asraniel: Ivanovic: sorry, but phoronix has no source it can show. for all we know they make it up. i mean, i could tell you too that i have internal sources at valve that tell me things. so for all i know, phoronix just wants to make money with ads, since there is no other source for that rumour except phoronix itself (the telegraph probably took the rumour from phoronix)
Ivanovic: asraniel: in 90% of all "real news" there is no source you can show!
Ivanovic: asraniel: the other 10% tend to be "press releases" which 100 sites just copy without any thinking
Varkk: supposedly the Telegraph reporter spoke to someone at Valve
Ivanovic: so, if you talk to someone high in the government that wants to state something that is going wrong but is not allowed to directly do so in public and some press reports this
Ivanovic: is this a case of "there is no source"?
Ivanovic: yeah, there are things that you can't confirm yourself easily
asraniel: hehe. i'm not tooootaly serious by the way. but i'm a little mad at phoronix. i actually even doubt now that there will be a linux version. valve is owned by microsoft, they will prevent a port to linux if they can. but anyway, i won't continue that little flame (or i'm going to start a religion analogy, and then it's going to end bad ;) )
Varkk: that example you gave is a case of an anonymous source
Ivanovic: Varkk: exactly
Varkk: A good news outlet won't run a story without a source even if the source remains anonymous
Ivanovic: Varkk: what if michael just has such a source (maybe two of them)
Ivanovic: so yeah, there might be a source but we ourselfs as readers got close to zero chance if we try to verify
Ivanovic: yeah, things can be wrong (UT3 anyone?), but it looks like it will eventually come
skyhirider: hows the poll comming rambjoe?
RambJoe: linux 27
RambJoe: ps3 7
RambJoe: yeah linux is 79%
FliPPeh: Luckily valve's games run nice enough under wine
FliPPeh: So I can really play them in Linux :)
yuastnav: not for me
FliPPeh: Great here
yuastnav: I guess it's dead.
FliPPeh: Which version of WINE are you using?
yuastnav: Well, it was kinda fun while it lasted.
yuastnav: The newest one.
Nevtus: FliPPeh: don't buy any new ones. vote with your money
FliPPeh: Nevtus: I could't even if I wanted
yuastnav: I think that's what I'm going to do, too.
FliPPeh: I got like 15 games
FliPPeh: Also got all I need
FliPPeh: TF2, Zombie Panic, HL1 - HL2 EP2
FliPPeh: GMod :)
FliPPeh: Left 4 Dead...
FliPPeh: Otherwise I would vote with money
skyhirider: same here, only got l4d and refuse to buy l4d2, haven even finished the first game yet
skyhirider: wtf, 3 votes on linux from kosice ?
RambJoe: "PS3, so it would finally have a game. Better than giving it to college hipsters, anyway."
RambJoe: lol wut thats in the thread
skyhirider: too... many... google links.. head.. explode..
Nevtus: RambJoe: seems like we're winning in that thread. Pity polls/threads don't mean anything...
tkmorris: actually there's difference if you use quotes os not
RambJoe: another idea for poll
RambJoe: would you rather have steam for ps3, or l4d3?
mastertheknife: This one is interesting