Phoronix IRC Log: 2010-06-13
mikeplus64: it exploded.
zak1111: hot damn
zak1111: you nuked it
zak1111: this channel's been dead ever since the whole valve/linux thing got old
zak1111: at least as the hours i'm on it lol
christian_lappy: dandel: how is the status of your wine patch imrpvoing the fps in source engine heavily ?
AstralStorm: christian_lappy: just check wine's bugzilla
christian_lappy: AstralStorm: i did, nothing exiting :-(
AstralStorm: it's linked in AppDB
AstralStorm: maybe go from there
christian_lappy: fpr what game in appdb ?
AstralStorm: for HalfLife 2 I think
AstralStorm: and more
christian_lappy: i used the link with poor perfromance in source engine
christian_lappy: that bug has no super duper nws in it
AstralStorm: so there's no progress... yet
AstralStorm: and definitely the patch isn't included
christian_lappy: yeah, but dandel seems to have the patch working already iirc
christian_lappy: seems he found a way to speedup things a lot
christian_lappy: using pbo
skyhirider: hmm, when i create a software raid 1 array, can i mirror swap too or are there any drawbacks?
mjr: You can. It'll probably be a bit slower. It's good for uptime, of course, but not as important to mirror as persistent data.
skyhirider: just thinking i will set mirroring on everything except swap, but wonder if it will have any negative side affects when a drive will go dead and i will need the mirror working asap
mjr: indeed. If you have uptime requirements (which it sounds like from the asap), just put it on the mirror. It doesn't really cost much.
skyhirider: will do that then, thanks mjr
djura-san: im off. bais
FliPPeh: Just played a round of TF2 online with wine
FliPPeh: Awesome :)
FliPPeh: I only found one wine related bug.. the pyro flames look funny
mastertheknife: I still have my achievements bug heh :/
Sleepy_Coder: Does TF2 play well in WINE?
FliPPeh: Sleepy_Coder: Very well
FliPPeh: Sleepy_Coder: I just finished playing online
Sleepy_Coder: What sort of hardware are you enjoying? :3
FliPPeh: Only a LITTLE slower than native
FliPPeh: AMD Phenom II X4 950, ZoTaC GeForce 9800 GTX+
Sleepy_Coder: Hmm, I keep wondering if I should downgrade to the 9800 GTX+, I have a GTX 260... a lot of people say that the 9800's suit all their needs perfectly, just trying to find a smaller/quieter/possibly cooler GPU
Sleepy_Coder: An older one would be cheaper too :3
FliPPeh: The GF92 chip is a fine breed
Daekdroom: The GF92 was overdone.. o.o
Sleepy_Coder: GTX260 is so loud :<
s_20: <= 9800gt
FliPPeh: I don't even trust the model numbers anymore
Sleepy_Coder: I used to be able to set the fan speed statically, but the fucker's drivers try to autotune it now.
s_20: which, lspci told me, is a gf92
FliPPeh: nvidia relabels way too much
Sleepy_Coder: I really, really hate how loud this thing is now.
FliPPeh: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce 9800 GTX] (rev a2)
Sleepy_Coder: I used to survive comfortably on 40%, the stock voltage for the fan
Daekdroom: nVidia rebranded 8800GTS all the way up to GTS250 or something like that
Daekdroom: Maybe even GTS3something
FliPPeh: My next card will be an ATI
Sleepy_Coder: I think ATi is pulling ahead, yes.
Sleepy_Coder: They make great cards at reasonable prices (arguable), just hoping their drivers improve on Linux... only had one minor issue last time
DeathCrawler: [BW] 112.84 KB/s Down 24.37 KB/s Up
skyhirider: ive got a silly question, i want to set up raid 1 during install but i have to set up the root partition, otherwise it wont let me continue, but how will i later on mirror root if i cant set the partition on raid 1 when i create the new partition tables?
skyhirider: nvm, im stupid
FliPPeh: mastertheknife: Do you know how to make TF2 save the settings?
FliPPeh: Like video detail
skyhirider: what do you mean by save?
skyhirider: doesnt work normally in wine?
FliPPeh: When I quit the game, the settings are reset
skyhirider: odd, cant you save them in the cfg?
FliPPeh: Even if I could, I'd had to find out every cvar and the correct value
skyhirider: there should be a cfg dir in the tf2 dir
FliPPeh: Maybe because I always start TF2 with "-dxlevel 81"?
FliPPeh: I heard you only need it once
skyhirider: well, just run the console when youre changing settings, it should write the output of which cvar was chenged
skyhirider: yeh, only once
FliPPeh: that did it!
skyhirider: disabling -dx8?
FliPPeh: Settings are now saved
skyhirider: odd that it wouldnt save settings, probably restarted everything when launching dx8 again, hmm
skyhirider: liked the console thingy more thou, due to the great simplicity it involved :D
mastertheknife: FliPPeh: It doesn't save, its bugged!
mastertheknife: FliPPeh: And its not just a wine thing, my brother has windows 7 and it doesnt save there either
mastertheknife: I think that bug came in the last update (the mac update)
FliPPeh: Now it does save :x
mastertheknife: Oh, yeah, me and my brother use -dxlevel 81
mastertheknife: but still i want it to save the settings :S
FliPPeh: mastertheknife: Whenever you start it with -dxlevel 81, the settings are reset!
FliPPeh: You only need to start it ONCE with dxlevel
FliPPeh: It will be permanently set
mastertheknife: oh, it will be always dxlevel 81 then?
FliPPeh: Start it without dxlevel, set the settings
mastertheknife: cool.. thanks :)
FliPPeh: And they will stay
mastertheknife: you mean
mastertheknife: start with -dxlevel 81
mastertheknife: set and save
mastertheknife: and then start without -dxlevel 81
FliPPeh: Start WITH, quit
FliPPeh: Start WITHOUT, set
FliPPeh: And then never start with it again
mastertheknife: oh, ok thanks
FliPPeh: Yay achievement
FliPPeh: Ain't got time to bleed
FliPPeh: Oh god, I love TF2 again
FliPPeh: votes ++ for unofficial phoronix TF2 :)
kurros: Megagun, yawn
kurros: just more regurgitation
Megagun: Yeah, maybe.
kurros: it is. miguel doesn't know anything more than you and i.
Azerthoth: linuxjournal slow on the uptake ... CONFIRMED!!!
FliPPeh: Every source refers to phoronix anyways
Nevtus: anyone tried e17 here? It's... flashy
FliPPeh: Nah, I'm an Openbox fanboy
FliPPeh: Convince me to try it!
FliPPeh: I love trying new things
Nevtus: I'm an Awesome WM user, I just tried this and I've been using it for the past half an hour
FliPPeh: Any very special features?
FliPPeh: It's probably the only WM I've never tried so far
Nevtus: as I said, it's very flashy. things move fast, lots of animations, fair number of themes already on their site
Nevtus: it has a Mac OS-like dock too
mastertheknife: I wonder where linuxjournal got their source
FliPPeh: hates mac :(
Nevtus: I'm sort of impressed but I think I've got too used to the keyboard heavy Awesome WM to use this now
mastertheknife: this is so frusturating
Nevtus: this sourced phoronix didn't they?
mastertheknife: lol you should see how mac players in tf2 are treated.. its like holocaust lol
maligor: e17 is shiny but then you realize it's not really very practical
FliPPeh: I think they all do
FliPPeh: mastertheknife: I'd treat them the same... not good :)
FliPPeh: I don't like mac
FliPPeh: Most mac users are arrogant tools
FliPPeh: Speaking from experience.
mastertheknife: I don't like to generalize although many mac users seem to have low knowledge about computers and gaming
Nevtus: eh, I don't like mac either but I've always though the dock was a sort of good idea. I'm sort of past that phase now and I prefer just using the programs and having no eye candy
Nevtus: but e17 is very nice
maligor: most mac users have a tiny steve jobs trying to come out
FliPPeh: Nevtus: Gonna try it later :)
maligor: the macosx dock is daft
mastertheknife: I think the reason for all the mac hate in tf2 is the mac only earbuds
kurros: could be any more patronizing?'
FliPPeh: I wonder if linux users get a special TF2 item, should it ever be available...
mastertheknife: as soon as PC users see those earbuds they are like "ah, mac user"
FliPPeh: Like a tiny tux
Nevtus: tux hat
mastertheknife: A pengiun hat
FliPPeh: Or a new weapon
Nevtus: full penguin suit
FliPPeh: When tere's a shell, there's a way
mastertheknife: we'll probably see less mac users in tf2 now because the free weekend expired
mastertheknife: buying tf2 for $9.99 (US) is a steal though
Nevtus: with a target on the back. "get the communist swine!"
mastertheknife: i bought it for $29.99
FliPPeh: I got it in the Orange Box
FliPPeh: Great deal.
mastertheknife: Me too, although i bought the orange box just for it
FliPPeh: I originally wanted Portal
FliPPeh: Now I only play DoD:S and TF2
FliPPeh: Also, currently loading Zombie Panic
kurros: i only bought orange box for the half-life/portal themed peggle levels
mastertheknife: I wanted TF2 for long time but ever since the linux client discoveries i felt like waiting for a linux client
mastertheknife: but now the hype and speculation is gone
mastertheknife: valve is dead silent now
FliPPeh: Silency before the storm?
FliPPeh: Who knows
FliPPeh: Who cares
FliPPeh: WINE runs fast enough for me to enjoy it
FliPPeh: 130 FPS average
FliPPeh: very smooth
FliPPeh: No bugs :)
Nevtus: 130 FPS through wine. what graphics card do you have?
mastertheknife: I am not sure what fps i get
mastertheknife: but its high
mastertheknife: i should check one day.
FliPPeh: ZoTaC GeForce GTX 9800[+?]
mastertheknife: Nevtus: you should make sure you are playing with -dxlevel 81
FliPPeh: Also, all details on full
mastertheknife: and enable multicore rendering.
FliPPeh: mastertheknife: cl_fps 1
Nevtus: I am. I think I get around 50'ish. My card is crap though
mastertheknife: or net_graph 1\2\3
FliPPeh: Also, multicore is disabled here
FliPPeh: I acutally get better performance WITHOUT it
FliPPeh: Although I have 4 cores
mastertheknife: In L4D i did a check and multicore increased fps
mastertheknife: I have yet to check that in TF2
mastertheknife: in L4D it jumped from 18 fps (dx9 mode on high details) to 36 fps
FliPPeh: RambJoe: Game of today?
RambJoe: that was usa england
FliPPeh: my country won 4:0 - I hatei t.
Ivanovic: was a really nice match!
FliPPeh: I hate football!
Ivanovic: bad luck
FliPPeh: Everyone's annoying around here
FliPPeh: Making noise
kurros: pops popcorn
Nevtus: went back to Awesome from e17 :D
Nevtus: it was making me a bit dizzy but it did look better than the last time I tried it a few years ago
maligor: yeah, I've never heard of anyone sticking with e17
Nevtus: if I wasn't used to tiling I'd have stuck with it
maligor: perhaps I shall try it too
Nevtus: the default theme in it looks like vomit imo though, so if you, try some of the themes on their site
Nevtus: *so if you do
FliPPeh: Nevtus: Did you ever try PekWM?
FliPPeh: Seems a nice choice
Nevtus: nope. never heard of it
GNU\colossus: pekwm was my first WM.
maligor: oh wow, this default team is vomit inducing
GNU\colossus: tabbed windows are cool
maligor: I think the first one I used was fvwm
Nevtus: maligor: I did say that before you left ;)
FliPPeh: First one I used was... GNOME :(:(:(
Nevtus: yeah I used GNOME first too
FliPPeh: Openbox is nice
maligor: man.. those fade effects in the menus... my eyes! my eyes!
Nevtus: I stuck with it longer than I should have too
maligor: I don't think gnome existed when I started using
FliPPeh: I wrote some fun pipe menus :)
FliPPeh: Like music player contrl
Nevtus: maligor: http://exchange.enlightenment.org/
Nevtus: I kinda liked the Fireball theme
maligor: shame debian doesn't package entrance
FliPPeh: Does Enlightenment nativly support widgets?
Nevtus: it has some kind of widget system by default from what I seen
Daekdroom: Enlightenment! :D
FliPPeh: What about GTK?
FliPPeh: Does it override the GTK themes?
FliPPeh: Looks like it does
Nevtus: it used my gtk theme just fine
Daekdroom: I have been having a hard time compiling it from SVN xD
maligor: this thing is more dialog hell than windows vista tho
FliPPeh: "Installing Microsoft DirectX for Windows"
FliPPeh: Looks like trouble
maligor: most of the dialogs are totally unintelligible
Nevtus: it moves your pointer to the active window too which was quite annoying
Daekdroom: maligor, what is?
Daekdroom: Never noticed that. What bothers me is how poor of a integration it has =/
maligor: is there a digital clock for this?
maligor: or am I stuck with a firggen analog clock that's impossible to read
Daekdroom: In the extramodules repo.
maligor: you've got to be kidding me :P
Daekdroom: I mean branch!
Daekdroom: There's a extra module branch on SVN :P
Daekdroom: Yeah. I was like that when I found out..
maligor: let's see if there's a package... if I can find the terminal
Daekdroom: The taskbar itself is a hell..
Daekdroom: Package? O.o
Daekdroom: Where did you get E?
Daekdroom: Do they have it in repo? Lame.
Daekdroom: Ubuntu doesn't. D:
maligor: mm... what's enna
Daekdroom: A library, I think
Daekdroom: Oh wait, it's not
Nevtus: Arch had a snapshot from April in the Community repo which is what I used
Azerthoth: enna is a media center
maligor: says mediacenter app
Azerthoth: for enlightenment
Daekdroom: I'm going to try and compile it without a script.
maligor: enna seems quite decent
maligor: I wonder what's the obsession with lots of list elements with no headers, no titles and completely empty
maligor: it seems to be a recurring trend in lots of places in e17
Daekdroom: Clutter? :P
maligor: I'm sure this is the best wm ever made, except it's impossible to use
Daekdroom: It's light,fast.. but annoying..
Daekdroom: Have you ever tried the compositing? The windows dance so much you can't click anything.
Azerthoth: maligor, talk to the packager if your playing with a binary distro
maligor: Azerthoth, about what? that e17 is driving me maaaad?
maligor: I want my money back.. it drove me insane?
Azerthoth: never had an issue with it either with gentoo or elive
Daekdroom: Money back..?
maligor: I could say what I think of gentoo, but I'll refrain
Azerthoth: you get out what you put in
maligor: Azerthoth, did I say I had any issues with the packages?
Azerthoth: empty menus ... should not be
Daekdroom: maligor, you could always head to #e and point out their code has flaws :P
maligor: not menus
maligor: dialog list widgets
maligor: aka: nonsensical ui design
Daekdroom: Oh, the flawed taskbar that doesn't display windows that aren't minimized?
maligor: oh, not that
Azerthoth: that actually makes sense
FliPPeh: Any other TF2-WINE players here?
maligor: I've used enough different wm's not to have issues when things don't have a window list
maligor: I'm sure e17 has that somewhere tho
Daekdroom: It has plenty different taskbars.
Daekdroom: 3 or 4, me thinks
maligor: mostly I think it has wrong priorities, they don't actually want to make something that's usable
maligor: and I'm sure some e17 fan will flame me for that
Nevtus: it is impressivly fast given all the crazy stuff it's doing
Nevtus: but I think it's just too much
maligor: kinda reminds me overall of a wm from the 1990's except with more shine
Nevtus: it has been running since the late 90s
maligor: ah well, time to remove
FliPPeh: I still got it
FliPPeh: Topping the scoreboards
FliPPeh: After 8 months of non-playing
mastertheknife: FliPPeh: you're playing ?
FliPPeh: mastertheknife: Currently not
FliPPeh: Trying to find out my RAM's vendor
FliPPeh: So I can get more of the same :)
mastertheknife: Technically it doesn't really matter
FliPPeh: I think it's kingston
mastertheknife: you need ram that runs at the same speed and can do the same timings at the same voltage
FliPPeh: I don't know the timings
FliPPeh: That's the problem
FliPPeh: Speed is 800 MHz
mastertheknife: I have Corsair DDR2-800 that does 4-4-4-12 @ 2.1V so im getting any ddr2-800 ram that is rated to 4-4-4-12 @ 2.1V
mastertheknife: its standard ram then
mastertheknife: just get another RAM then
mastertheknife: or the same model
FliPPeh: Gotta reboot, running sum memtest
mastertheknife: by the way FliPPeh you know of the item drop limit?
mastertheknife: I was puzzled why i didn't get new items for like 2-3 days now
FliPPeh: I got 2 today
mastertheknife: but apparently in an april patch they changed the drop system
mastertheknife: you can get up to about 8 in a day
mastertheknife: but up to ~14 in a week
mastertheknife: weekly limit seems to reset on thursdays
FliPPeh: Like it better than the previous system
FliPPeh: I'll be right back
FliPPeh: Quick reboot
FliPPeh: Slow memory
FliPPeh: 400 MHz
mastertheknife: you have DDR3 most likely
FliPPeh: It's pre-ddr2
FliPPeh: AM2+ processor, doesn't support DDR3
FliPPeh: It's indeed DDR2 800 MHz
FliPPeh: Memory used: 1995 / 2024
tkmorris: http://www.examiner.com/x-49484-Linux-Gaming-Examiner~y2010m6d13-Steam-client-coming-to-Linux steam
FliPPeh: tkmorris: A "new" update or just old information wrapped up again?
tkmorris: a comment on old information (Linux Jorunal)
tkmorris: but it has a penguin logo xD
FliPPeh: Yay penguins
FliPPeh: ... wait
FliPPeh: It's 4 AM
FliPPeh: Time flies
FliPPeh: Who cares!
FliPPeh: More TF2!
sudokode: time: 79.37ks (22:02:50 EDT)
FliPPeh: Mo 14. Jun 04:02:06 CEST 2010
sudokode: damn, I need to use printf, it should have 3 decimal digits no matter what!
FliPPeh: yay kiloseconds
tkmorris: Sun Jun 13 23:03:54 2010
sudokode: it is done
FliPPeh: My eyes
FliPPeh: They burn
FliPPeh: It's light outside
FliPPeh: An Irssi KS plugins
FliPPeh: Current time: 15.940 kiloseconds
tkmorris: unix date?
tkmorris: you can do kiloseconds with any seconds xD
FliPPeh: seconds since midnight
tkmorris: unix time here gives 1276482 kiloseconds
sudokode: ruining the ks!
sudokode: time: 82.258ks (22:50:58 EDT)
FliPPeh: Current time: 17.410 kiloseconds
sudokode: you're in some distant land
FliPPeh: It's a mystical country, unknown to many
FliPPeh: Where milk and honey flow in the rivers
FliPPeh: And the clouds are sugar!
FliPPeh: The natives call it germany
FliPPeh: But I call it KRAUTLAND
sudokode: works on perl module
FliPPeh: Yuck, Perl
FliPPeh: wubs dem C
sudokode: two inherently different languages
FliPPeh: Both home in the unix land :)
thomashc: yes...finally, full desktop integration.
FliPPeh: I hate it when I can't decide for a programming language to do something fun
mikeplus64: How sad, I'm actually looking forward to Valve's E3 surprise in the /very/ unlikely event that they say something about Steam on Linux... Just a few more days.
FliPPeh: I thought they canceled e3
FliPPeh: Just a quick note to clarify the Monday Press Event at the Regal Theatre is completely cancelled. Please do not head over there expecting to see us”
FliPPeh: "Valve Software will be releasing their native Linux Steam client in the near future. Since the gaming industry's E3 conference runs from 15-17 June 2010, one would hope that the long-awaited Linux Steam client will be available shortly after 17 June 2010"
FliPPeh: Someone's VERY VERY VERY optimistic
FliPPeh: I'd add 3 months
FliPPeh: or years.
FliPPeh: is happy enough to play TF2 with 150 FPS using wine