mikeplus64: I'm excited about the 'surprise' that Valve has, even if it's almost definitely not related to Steam on Linux.
SageX: in more revelant news the sun split
SageX: not into
SageX: 2
SageX: just opened up expect solar winds
SageX: http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/assets/img/latest/latest_4096_0193.jpg
mikeplus64: Heh: http://www.kombo.com/article.php?artid=14823
mikeplus64: The picture reminds me of the Arch logo.
mikeplus64: If it's not related to HL2:E3 then maybe the 'free' part refers to Linux being free? lol I feel like a conspiracy theorist.
mikeplus64: But looks like a Portal and Half-Life crossover to me.
mikeplus64: Or something like that.
mikeplus64: Good greetings.
Modplan: if no one has heard, blood frontier has become red eclipse http://www.redeclipse.net/
hadadjus: hiii
hadadjus: who like chatroulette
hadadjus: http://blog-live-chatroulette.blogspot.com/
ryan22: i think the web of turst should be extended to cover media
ryan22: *trust
ryan22: copyright needs to be extended to embrace the distributed nature of the internet, and the web of trust is the way to do it
RambJoe: lol im downling two games both at 2.8MB/s
RambJoe: http://www.1337upload.net/files/gabenricochetsensuuri.png
kurros: lol
kurros: that was the Tron thing
kurros: ?
RambJoe: never really played it lol
RambJoe: I have it
RambJoe: came with cs 1 athology
kurros: yeah looks like it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricochet_(2000_video_game)
kurros: that'd be cool :)
RambJoe: lolthe game failed bad
RambJoe: they even admit it did on their site
RambJoe: http://www.valvesoftware.com/games/backcatalog.html
RambJoe: All in all, eleven games that changed the world (and one that didn't)
djura-san: im off. have a nice day people o/
kamada: anyone care to explain what that arch-vs-ubuntu article was supposed to acheive last month? just came across it
slashbeast: just = arch isnt faster than ubuntu.
kamada: yeah well not when comparing the same apps it isnt
kamada: thats what i dont get about the tests
kurros: just comparing what PTS runs I guess
kamada: same apps on the same kernel and hardware... i dont see what that will acheive
kurros: it achives more paragraphs to shill the virtues of PTS :)
slashbeast: depends on compile method
slashbeast: cflags, ldflags
kamada: lol
slashbeast: version of deps
kamada: also, arch *is* faster for daily use *if* you know how to set it up right.
slashbeast: ya ya, cool story
kamada: is fact
kurros: know how to set it up right = recompiling everything?
slashbeast: I use gentoo-based system, do you want talk with me about *speed*?
kamada: slashbeast: your speed increases are probably extremely marginal to mine
slashbeast: yeah
slashbeast: not at all
slashbeast: there is no speed boost.
JEEB: I remember my university mates setting up gentoo on eeepcs for days :V
slashbeast: but easir customize system
slashbeast: easier to get rid of junk
kamada: heh, ever used a pkgbuild?
kamada: or pacman>
JEEB: While I just installed a clean, bare ubuntu system in a less than hour
JEEB: I'd like to work, not set things up
kamada: man, it took me 2 hours to setup a clean ubuntu system
JEEB: Although I must say I have no hatred towards arch either
kamada: arch is running in 30 mins
kurros: but dude... how can you stand the extra 12ms it takes to start firefox
kamada: haha
kurros: i'd shoot myself
kamada: apps are neither here nor there
JEEB: heh, I remember installing arch on the eeepc myself -- basic kde and some stuff -- ended up bigger than a similar kubuntu setup >_>
kamada: dude, why use kde?
slashbeast: realy notisable speed boost is with good LDFLAGS
slashbeast: like as-needed
JEEB: Dunno, I was testing it at the time
JEEB: I mainly use gnome myself
slashbeast: only start application, not how it work.
JEEB: because it's just easy to set Japanese input there
kamada: i have dwm + scim, no problems
JEEB: well, let's just say that I can get ubuntu installed in 40min+ and then just press a few buttons and I have ibus+scim working nicely
slashbeast: openbox here
JEEB: I don't dislike arch, as I said
JEEB: But it's not my first choice
kamada: thing is with ubuntu though, is i find it slow for package management. sure, it is improved from days of old where uninstalling anything was nigh-on impossible...
kamada: but its still shit slow
kurros: slow for which part?
JEEB: dunno, I on the other hand couldn't memorize the pacman commands that were rather cryptic. On ubuntu I can just do aptitude search/install/purge/remove
kamada: and parallel package installs are irritating
JEEB: which are human-readable
kamada: JEEB: aliases
JEEB: are they there by default?
kamada: kurros: its is just slow, it takes ages to do anything
kamada: JEEB: no, lern2bashrc
JEEB: heh
JEEB: no thanks, I like to tweak stuff I like
nerdshark: what's going on itc
JEEB: not the whole system
kamada: dude, bash aliases are not the whole system
JEEB: I know
JEEB: It's just my overall opinion
nerdshark: what
JEEB: I like to build my own mplayer from uau's repo and see videos play nicely. I like to add a few options onto my ext4 mounting options because the SSD I'm on has lolslow writes
JEEB: But I don't want to work around non-human-readable package management
kamada: lol
AstralStorm: JEEB: you shouldn't be using ext4 in the first place
JEEB: even if it's just the commands
nerdshark: if you used a sane distro, you wouldn't have package problems
AstralStorm: it sucks on SSD far more than btrfs
kamada: brb dinner
JEEB: AstralStorm, true -- but it's not too slow at the moment for me
AstralStorm: hehe
nerdshark: it's not a matter of being slow
nerdshark: journaling filesystems like ext4 wear out the SSD quickly
AstralStorm: it's a matter of it killing your flash faster
AstralStorm: yup
AstralStorm: unless you have an external journal
nerdshark: use a filesystem designed for flash drive usage
JEEB: Well, I have it for two years already -- I don't really fear that much. It's a shitty SSD anyways
kurros: "wear out" ?
Wintervenom: Yah, if you're going to use it, might want to `tune2fs -o ^has_journal /dev/sda1`. :P
AstralStorm: they won't wear out an SSD quickly though
nerdshark: kurros: yes
AstralStorm: Wintervenom: and throw away all the stability and resilience
AstralStorm: they will reduce performance a lot though
AstralStorm: due to excessive wear levelling
nerdshark: JEEB: in short, use something like jffs2
Wintervenom: AstralStorm: Who needs that stuff when you've got back-ups? Everyone keeps back-ups... right? :P
AstralStorm: nerdshark: can't, it needs direct chip access
nerdshark: orly
nerdshark: hm
AstralStorm: Wintervenom: yeah, especially phoronix
kurros: not to mention having to do full fscks
kurros: why would you possibly turn off journaling
nerdshark: nilfs looks cool
nerdshark: kurros: because journaling causes a lot of writes on a drive
AstralStorm: yup, but it's quite unfinished
AstralStorm: as evidenced by phoronix benchmarks :)
kurros: nerdshark, so?
Wintervenom: I used Ext4 on a Flash drive once for experimenting -- journal and everything, and that thing died in a month. >.<
nerdshark: kurros: it's bad on SSDs
nerdshark: that's what we're talking about
JEEB: lol, then someone please tell me why the heck my SSD's still running strong >_>
JEEB: It's the second year with ext3/4 already
AstralStorm: JEEB: lucky
nerdshark: hard to say
kurros: http://marc.info/?l=linux-ext4&m=125803982214652
AstralStorm: and wear levelling
JEEB: AstralStorm, no such thing
AstralStorm: it is running slow though
JEEB: This is first-gen SSD
JEEB: SHITSLOW writes, OK reads
AstralStorm: even first-gen have wear levelling
JEEB: Well, probably
JEEB: But this is... uhh...
AstralStorm: that's the reason for shitslow writes btw
JEEB: no matter what FS you use, it's slow
AstralStorm: not exactly
JEEB: I tested it when I just got it lol
AstralStorm: the old SSDs have quite important quirks
AstralStorm: tested with what?
AstralStorm: PTS?
AstralStorm: tested btrfs in SSD mode too?
JEEB: general usage, didn't do it "a la scientific", so you can just "lol proove it to me"
JEEB: *prove
kurros: using btrfs two years ago lol
JEEB: Didn't test btrfs IIRC, and I'm not blanking this 16GB drive atm since I actually have to use this machine tomorrow
AstralStorm: feels the SSD will fail tomorrow morning
JEEB: heh
JEEB: Anyways, it's just funny how Ubuntu always gets meh bleh'd, while I find it to be the most acceptable distro I can work with so far >_> Of course, that doesn't mean that I haven't tried anything else. I try random distros when I have the time to devote myself completely to a new system for a day or two. With Arch I just facepalm'd at the fact that I had to go archwiki EVERY time I wanted to do something with pacman. The installer was
JEEB: rather intuitive and I wasn't against modifying basic config files myself at first.
JEEB: Hate me if you hate me, but I just use my ubuntu systems nowadays >_>
kurros: i hate you AND your ubuntu system! nyeh!
kurros: i adore ubuntu, too
JEEB: I don't adore it.
AstralStorm: I don't hate jewbuntu, it just breaks too often
JEEB: I just find it to be the most acceptable alternative for me.
AstralStorm: of how many you have tried?
kurros: that's not adore worthy?
JEEB: SuSE I tested back in 7.3, I tested arch some time ago last year, I tested CentOS on a server around last year... Not much, but if I'll see a good alternative I'll try it if I have the time
nerdshark: arch \o/
kurros: i like the user experience of suse but not rpm. but its just that i've been using ubuntu since 2004 probably
nerdshark: JEEB: pacman has very helpful documentation
kurros: but i try opensuse/sled with every release
nerdshark: each option can be accompanied by -h and it will give more detailed help
jelly12gen: man pacman btw
JEEB: nerdshark, true -- and the arch wiki is good. But sorry, I just couldn't stand learning one-moji options that I couldn't really relate to words easily enough.
jelly12gen: and the archlinux wiki
JEEB: Yes, the wiki is good
nerdshark: JEEB: pacman -Syu --sync, update local repo databases, and update
nerdshark: easy enough
AstralStorm: JEEB: you like to compare outdated old linux distros with shiny new ubuntu
AstralStorm: a really great comparison
JEEB: AstralStorm, lol -- the only one that's out-of-date was the lolold SuSE which I tested while I still had winmodem
AstralStorm: much like phoronix benchmarks (hint: gcc vs clang vs llvm+clang)
AstralStorm: last year CentOS = old
JEEB: Well, the test was done last year >_>
AstralStorm: and those make 3
JEEB: yes
JEEB: I'm not a man that has tried MANY distros
AstralStorm: there are hundreds of distros and at least top 20
JEEB: Never said so
JEEB: argh
JEEB: whatever
AstralStorm: then you're not qualified to say that ubuntu is nice ;p
nerdshark: JEEB: you should try a lot of distros
nerdshark: use them for a couple weeks each
AstralStorm: yup
nerdshark: then you'll be more qualified to discuss
JEEB: Well, I never said I wouldn't try other distros. As for a few weeks, I don't usually have that much time to devote one of my machines to a distro I don't know well yet.
JEEB: Of course, yes
JEEB: I should test them for a longer time
nerdshark: JEEB: virtual machines
nerdshark: virtualbox is awesome
JEEB: Doesn't show me how to deal with possible hardware problems.
nerdshark: and free for personal use
JEEB: And yes, I have multiple VMs usually on my main laptop.
jelly12gen: kvm > virtualbox
nerdshark: jelly12gen: nop
nerdshark: virtualbox has opengl acceleration
JEEB: It's great for basic testing, but if I want to really test out a system I usually install it straight onto hardware.
nerdshark: and directx 8/9 acceleration if you happen to need windows
jelly12gen: i still like kvm more
nerdshark: kvm is lamesauce
jelly12gen: kvm == no rebuild of modules after kernel upgrade
jelly12gen: kvm = opensource, Virtualbox is now owned by ,,
nerdshark: sun
nerdshark: oracle
jelly12gen: oracle so will it stay free
nerdshark: yes
nerdshark: it's gpl-licensed
AstralStorm: nerdshark: very basic though :(
nerdshark: even if they decide to make future versions fully proprietary, users can fork the gpl-licensed version
AstralStorm: that 3D support
nerdshark: AstralStorm: it's decent enough
nerdshark: and more than what kvm has
AstralStorm: true
Wintervenom: VirtualBox OpenGL just freezes up or goes black on all the machines I ever used it on. :P
nerdshark: Wintervenom: get better machines
nerdshark: it worked on mine
AstralStorm: need more closed drivers ;)
Wintervenom: Yah, I've haven't used a closed driver since two years ago when I had an AMD/ATi 3200.
kurros: i'm interested to try btrfs when ubuntu makes it easy. right now my /home is a FreeBSD ZFS setup over NFS.
Wintervenom: Why wait for Ubuntu? Grab Arch and get on that! ;)
kamada: Wintervenom: +1
nerdshark: lol non-rolling release systems
kamada: lawl
jelly12gen: hehe +1
Wintervenom: (read: break and re-install every 'X' months.)
JEEB: Anyways, I'm free for suggestions btw (honestly, not a troll or any kind of opinion) -- name another distro that I can get up n' running with a basic gnome/kde/xfce desktop solution without prior experience in an hour or two, and get Japanese input with ibus working without editing settings files by hand?
kamada: Wintervenom: first time i updated ubuntu it dropped me to a shell and i shat brix
JEEB: Oh, and extra points if installing a git x264 and mplayer-uau from sources is easier than with Ubuntu
Wintervenom: kamada: I just updated my grandmother's machine and it did the same thing. :P
kamada: JEEB: AUR pkgbuilds for your mplayer ;)
nerdshark: JEEB: arch
JEEB: I know, IIRC Emess keeps those?
kamada: Wintervenom: lol i was talking about 7.04 -> 7.10, they still not sorted that shit?!
maligor: JEEB, no extra points for being actually stable instead of completely unstable?
nerdshark: you can have xorg/gnome/etc installed in about ten minutes
maligor: since personally I can't trust ubuntu to be stable
kamada: maligor: lol
maligor: either as a platform or as a system
JEEB: maligor, I'm sorry but I'll have to graze that troll -- it's stable enough for me, even with the .34 kernel I'm having atm
JEEB: This is just a personal opinion tho
kamada: the rolling release, bleeding edge system is more stable than the "stable" distro
maligor: perhaps I've just had bad experiences with ubuntu's crappy release policy
Azerthoth: 6 months and release, bugs be damned
kamada: maligor: nope, me and Wintervenom have had it crap out on us too
Azerthoth: bad way to run things
kamada: Azerthoth: yeah, better to release when its ready
nerdshark: ubuntu has shit on me too
Azerthoth: indeed, its nice to have a target date, but that really needs to be not set in stone
JEEB: nerdshark, ok -- so I get the xorg/gnome/etc. installed -- I've been there once. Now how to get ibus & ibus-anthy rolling through GUI?
nerdshark: ibus?
nerdshark: what is that
JEEB: input method stuff
maligor: yeah, I use debian sid myself, and it seems more solid than ubuntu stable
nerdshark: oh
Azerthoth: however I swore a long time ago to not touch ubuntu again until they release "perverted penguin"
nerdshark: i have no idea
nerdshark: i don't use it
kamada: idk about ibus, but scim works fine for me
kamada: pacman -S scim scim-anthy
nerdshark: there are a lot of ibus packages in the official repos
kamada: add scim -d to startup file and bam
JEEB: I wouldn't want to go back to scim personally, IIRC it worked worse between KDE and gnome. (which is why there's skim etc.)
JEEB: I guess I should try it some weekend, but I'll wait until I get done with my current projects
kamada: well its not guaranteed to work with bloatware ;)
kamada: theres also UIM
kamada: for which there is an archwiki page
nerdshark: Azerthoth: ubuntu is "family friendly"
nerdshark: i don't think it will ever happen
kamada: nerdshark: only if you dont touch it
Azerthoth: nerdshark, exactly
nerdshark: kamada: wat
Wintervenom: kamada: Satanic Edition might. :P
nerdshark: bows.
kamada: nerdshark: its only friendly if you dont try to do anything with it
JEEB: Anyways, I guess I'll just keep trying things on my own pace and just keep shut about what distro I really use
nerdshark: oh
nerdshark: kamada: that's not what i mean dummy
kamada: i know
nerdshark: i meant it's a distro for all audiences
kamada: i was just sayin
nerdshark: kamada joke fail
kamada: it wasnt a joke
nerdshark: ic
Azerthoth: I'll stick with gentoo/funtoo/sabayon
nerdshark: gentoo?
Wintervenom: !gentoo
kurros: nerdshark, from the same people who's default wallpaper in 2005 was nude people? :)
nerdshark: :(
Wintervenom: Oh, right. No Phrik. :(
kamada: my point was, my old dear installed chromium on xubuntu and links in evolution no longer worked
kamada: Wintervenom: ROFL
nerdshark: kurros: what?
kurros: ubuntu
nerdshark: hm
nerdshark: i never noticed that
kamada: i had to do some command line shit to get evolution to lauch links in chromium
nerdshark: then again i don't use ubuntu
ryan22: kamada: that's a gnome.evolution problem
ryan22: gconf is evil
kamada: ryan22: couldnt find a nice gui to change it
kamada: ubufail
ryan22: gconf-editor works
kamada: couldnt find that in the shiny guis of xubuntu
kurros: nerdshark, http://hacktolive.org/wiki/Ubuntu_calendar
kamada: fortunately i have strong google-fu
kamada: kurros: needs moar juggs
kurros: hehe
nerdshark: my google-fu is quite strong
nerdshark: but i couldn't find that
nerdshark: wait actually i did
nerdshark: also lol at the guy
kamada: yeah hes got a funny face :P
kurros: http://web.archive.org/web/20050301145611/www.ubuntulinux.org/login.jpeg
nerdshark: not that
kurros: was the GDM login screen
nerdshark: he's pretty much eye-groping the black chick
nerdshark: kurros: i remember that one
nerdshark: i ordered a bunch of free ubuntu cds back then and the cd cases had that image on them
Wintervenom: That guy must feel like Quagmire right there: "Al-riiiight!"
Wintervenom: Certainly looks like it. :P
kurros: giggity-goo
kamada: http://omploader.org/vNGlxeA
nerdshark: kamada: oh u
kamada: that was my first thought :P
kamada: i have issues :DDDD
jelly12gen: lolwut
kamada: jelly12gen: my mind is at work again. take cover :D
jelly12gen: runs
kamada: run bitch run
Wintervenom: kamada: `gcc bitch -o run`
AstralStorm: $ man bitch
AstralStorm: No manual entry for bitch
AstralStorm: ;p
kamada: lol
kamada: 10 run
kamada: 20 bitch
kamada: 30 goto 10
kamada: :DDDD
bkero: 10 goto 20
bkero: 20 goto 10
bkero: 10 print "I am enjoying the show"
bkero: 20 print "Argh"
RambJoe: another retarded queston
RambJoe: if i install arch on another parition
RambJoe: will grub auto detect it?
AstralStorm: nope, grub doesn't autodetect anything
RambJoe: oh
RambJoe: it detects new kernels automatically
AstralStorm: no
AstralStorm: not at all
AstralStorm: it means something is appending to its configuration file for you
RambJoe: oh
RambJoe: oh do the kernel updates add it automatically
AstralStorm: possibly
ryan22: RambJob: you would have to run update-grub
Wintervenom: No.
ryan22: RambJoe: Yes, apt runs update-grub for you
RambJoe: oh thanks :)
ryan22: no prob
RambJoe: so will that find the arch install then or do i add it myself
Wintervenom: Oh, never mind, I saw your question wron. :P
nerdshark: RambJoe: no
nerdshark: edit your grub config by hand
Wintervenom: If you were using Arch-grub, you have to do it all yourself.
nerdshark: it's easy
ryan22: you cant update grub2 by hand ;)
RambJoe: hmm so would i change the grub config on my ubuntu
RambJoe: and not install it on arch :S
ryan22: only grub 1
RambJoe: yeah it just goes back when you update it :(
ryan22: RambJoe: I think thats correct
RambJoe: :)
ryan22: not 100% sure though
nerdshark: best thing to do would be to create a /boot partition shared between the two
nerdshark: then you can have one central grub config
RambJoe: so it wont conflict?
nerdshark: sure won't
RambJoe: thanks :D
RambJoe: is it faster to have boot on an different harddrive than just partition
Wintervenom: No.
Wintervenom: Kernel's only two megabytes. You ain't gonna see the billionth of a millisecond difference. :P
Wintervenom: If you're using the stock kernel and not you're own, you're still going to be waiting on UDev. :P
Wintervenom: [your]
RambJoe: lol
RambJoe: but if they both share a boot folder
RambJoe: wouldn't the kernels liek overwrite
RambJoe: if they have same name
Azerthoth: RambJoe, unless your cooking your own thats not a worry, and if you are cooking your own then it's self induced if it happens
RambJoe: how does grub actaully make itself boot first :S
RambJoe: im scared of moving my boot folder to another partition harddrive, might fuck it up
Azerthoth: by inserting a little bit into the mbr
Azerthoth: RambJoe, so cp it and leave the original in place
RambJoe: ok
RambJoe: where is the mbr, can i change it?
Azerthoth: master boot record
Azerthoth: first few bits of the HD (non technical bit)
RambJoe: is it possible to change then
nerdshark: RambJoe: grub installs itself to the MBR/partition boot sector, depending on your choice
RambJoe: ohh
RambJoe: so i could re install grub once i made another boot partition
Azerthoth: this is one of those "yes its possible, no your no likely to do it by hand" which is why grub has tools for setting up
RambJoe: oh ok
nerdshark: RambJoe: you don't need to reload it
nerdshark: just update your grub config
RambJoe: will update-grub do it then
nerdshark: i don't know, i don't use update-grub
nerdshark: i do everything by hand
RambJoe: grub.conf?
nerdshark: yes
RambJoe: .cfg*
RambJoe: um if its in the MBR, it would be easier to just not install grub on the other linux install wouldn't it?
nerdshark: right
nerdshark: as long as one of the systems has grub installed
RambJoe: yeah the ubuntu im using now does :)
RambJoe: is 200mb safe for /boot then
RambJoe: hmm not sure what should put on seperate partitions
nerdshark: move everything from /boot to the new partition, then mount the new partition as /boot on each linux install
RambJoe: each with differnt /boot?
RambJoe: i will change ubutus boot when im on my new arch install as i cant shrink partition when its mounted
nerdshark: RambJoe: no
nerdshark: the installs share the partition, and they each mount it under /boot
RambJoe: ok thanks
RambJoe: what about swap
nerdshark: share swap as well
RambJoe: ok :)
RambJoe: oh shit am i going to need a live cd to partition my ubuntu drive
nerdshark: that's the safe way
RambJoe: ok :)
RambJoe: recommended distros?
nerdshark: arch installer
nerdshark: has everything you need
RambJoe: ok :P
RambJoe: so would i have to delte a partition in chdsk
RambJoe: then re add it
RambJoe: then would i have to manually edit grub
RambJoe: as i wouldn't be able to get back into ubuntu again lol
RambJoe: ah im being an idiot i just have to make the partition on live cd lol
wait4steam: Hi, any steam news?
Ivanovic: wait4steam: confirmed!
ryan22: lol
ryan22: lies
ryan22: well i guess in a sense it has been
McDuck: unfortunately not in a sense that really matters
RambJoe: gparted wont let me resize the partitions :(
RambJoe: im on live cd
RambJoe: any ideas?
AstralStorm: RambJoe: what type of partition are those?
AstralStorm: esp. filesystem
RambJoe: um
RambJoe: i have an ntfs
RambJoe: then an unallocated using nothing
RambJoe: then extended partition
RambJoe: containing ext4, then a 0bytes unalloctaed again and then linux-swap
AstralStorm: well
RambJoe: its all messed up =/
AstralStorm: gparted is lousy for resizing really
RambJoe: oh
AstralStorm: it doesn't support all the filesystems fine
AstralStorm: you coudl resize your ext4 with e2fsresize
AstralStorm: then remove and recreate the smaller partition
AstralStorm: (but don't format it!)
RambJoe: ok thanks :)
AstralStorm: for ntfs, ntfsresize
RambJoe: where do i get e2fsresize
RambJoe: it says command not found
mesula: Is Steam still coming?
RambJoe: well e3 is next monday
RambJoe: wait aren't valve at e3 with microfot lol
mesula: RambJoe: Will it be announced at E3?
RambJoe: we dunno
RambJoe: valve said there will be a surprise taht isn't portal 2
RambJoe: apparently it isn't ep3
kurros: Ricochet 2!
RambJoe: another site said it wont interest 360/ps3 gamers
RambJoe: yeah there was an email where gabe said its ricochet 2 (srs)
ryan22: mesula: itll be a while. there was obvious mac porting errors in the leaked code
kurros: i'm telling you.. Portal 2 will be a Games for Windows - Live title and PC/360 exclusive :D
RambJoe: lol
mesula: RambJoe: Why would they say it's a surprise if it's not interesting to Windows and Mac users?
ryan22: so people get hyped up and buy it
kurros: BUY nOW
mesula: ryan22: A while 'til the announcement or a while 'til it's released?
ryan22: a while till its released. id say 6 months at the least
RambJoe: ffs how do i know the size of a partition in MB
AstralStorm: RambJoe: resize2fs, sorry
RambJoe: yeah i found that out lol :P
RambJoe: df doesnt work properly
AstralStorm: partition size is best read with sfdisk
Wintervenom: RambJoe: `fdisk` :P
RambJoe: ok
RambJoe: fdisk -l returns nothing
AstralStorm: fdisk -l /dev/
RambJoe: returns nothing
AstralStorm: wtf
RambJoe: oh its sda2
RambJoe: gparted said sda5 i swer :S
AstralStorm: disk!
AstralStorm: not partition
RambJoe: Cannot open /dev/sda2
RambJoe: ohh
AstralStorm: you could use sfdisk -s /dev/
AstralStorm: that will print the size in bytes
RambJoe: oh i'll try root lol
RambJoe: :$
AstralStorm: or rather, blocks
AstralStorm: you ca do sfdisk -s -uM /dev/
AstralStorm: to get the size in megabytes
RambJoe: it says 1 lol
AstralStorm: huh
AstralStorm: weird
AstralStorm: 1-block partition?!
RambJoe: ohh
RambJoe: its a extended parition
AstralStorm: feel free to run sfdisk -l -uM /dev/ for all of them
AstralStorm: your disk is /dev/sda
RambJoe: 293036184
RambJoe: oh -l
mesula: How much does Steam rely on the Windows registry?
AstralStorm: ask its devs
RambJoe: 89760, thanks :D
AstralStorm: or check with wine
mesula: AstralStorm: Are they in this channel?
RambJoe: like every game adds something to the registry
AstralStorm: mesula: nobody knows ;p
RambJoe: and a shit load is in the reg i had to delete it all before lol
RambJoe: open: No such file or directory while opening /dev/sda5
AstralStorm: RambJoe: there's none then
RambJoe: /dev/sda5 192557 282316 89760 91914240 83 Linux
AstralStorm: doesn't exist man
RambJoe: :S
AstralStorm: if you've just created it, you might need to run partprobe
RambJoe: i haven't though :S
RambJoe: its an extended partition though
AstralStorm: doesn't matter
AstralStorm: run partprobe to be sure
RambJoe: ok
adrian_broher: http://www.flickr.com/photos/attritionorg/4670265566/
MPX: Man, I can't WAIT for Deus Ex 3! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJxQjWytIcU&feature=player_embedded
MPX: w00tw00t
RambJoe: Error: Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/sda5 -- Device or resource busy. This means Linux won't know about any changes you made to /dev/sda5 until you reboot -- so you shouldn't mount it or use it in any way before rebooting.
masterth1knife: anyone plays tf2?
MPX: Nope
MPX: I have had it for a year or something
MPX: Got stuck on l4d =D
MPX: and now I'm too addicted to tasty static (you should try it!)
MPX: http://tastystatic.com/index.php :P
masterth1knife: I actually bought L4D the day it was released, still play it now and then
masterth1knife: but few days bought the orange box just for tf2
MPX: Is it good?
masterth1knife: Yeah i like it
masterth1knife: its so much better than TFC which i tried long time ago
MPX: Cool :) I'll check it out if and when Steam comes to linux :P
masterth1knife: MPX: lol that game is probably too fast for my brain
mesula: I'm thinking about buying the Valve games pack or maybe the Orange Box, will the games work on Linux via Wine?
masterth1knife: I actually planned on buying valve complete pack when the steam is released for linux
MPX: And you play TF2? Isn't that a be-fast-or-get-shot kinda game?
masterth1knife: but i couldn't wait so long just to try tf2
masterth1knife: so i checked the price of TF2 and saw its $19, with the orange box being $29, so bought the orange box
masterth1knife: mesula: TF2 works nicely through wine
masterth1knife: mesula: like CSS, because it supports -dxlevel 81
masterth1knife: unlike L4D which is hard locked into directx9 mode which is very slow through wine
MPX: I don't like having to use wine
MPX: :S
masterth1knife: MPX: that tasty game is faster :P
masterth1knife: Me neither
MPX: Tastystatic ROCKS! :D
mesula: masterth1knife: Awesome.
masterth1knife: mesula: If you do buy the complete pack, might want to do it on a new account, because you can't gift or use extra copies of games you already got
masterth1knife: mesula: And its probably better waiting until the linux client is released, cause by then maybe Portal 2 and EP3 will included in the pack (for same price of $99)
masterth1knife: So if you want HL2, HL2:ep1, HL2:ep2, lost coast, hl2dm and tf2 orange box is the way to go
SimmyD: steam for linux yet?
SimmyD: >_<
mesula: masterth1knife: I don't have any games yet apart from UT3.
masterth1knife: oh
mesula: masterth1knife: And Steam isn't coming to Linux for months.
mesula: If ever.
masterth1knife: then the complete pack might be a better choice
mesula: Why is MW2 £40 on Steam?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?
masterth1knife: I just have already like 10 valve games so i can wait with the complete pack until the linux comes
masterth1knife: mesula: It will come someday, i give it maximum a year
mesula: masterth1knife: If I start buying games now, I hope I won't have to buy Linux versions later on.
Azerthoth|D: if ever :)
masterth1knife: mesula: you won't, this is what SteamPlay is for
mesula: I might have to end up running Windows Steam even after Linux Steam is released so that I can play Windows only games still.
masterth1knife: SteamPlay is basicly buy any game on any platform and play it on any platform
mesula: masterth1knife: Awesome!
masterth1knife: you might want to check out the valve complete if you dont have anything except UT3
mesula: I could log onto my mate's XP pc or my other mate's OSX PC and play the same game. :D
masterth1knife: invidual price of all games in that pack is like $230, while the pack price is $99, so you save over $100
mesula: masterth1knife: Yeah, I'll get it after I finish my exams this month. :)
mesula: I won't 'til I finish my exams, though.
masterth1knife: MPX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynrF2es08ds
RambJoe: i cant even resize my ntfs partition with gparted :(
RambJoe: are my partition tables messed up
RambJoe: i think testdisk did it a while ago, it messed up all my harddrives
masterth1knife: you used testdisk again? lol
masterth1knife: for resizing ntfs i would use partition magic
RambJoe: no it was from last time lol
RambJoe: ok i will try that and take off 200mb for a boot partiton
masterth1knife: it worked great for me in the past
masterth1knife: in the program you can arrange the partitions however you want and only apply in the end after you are satisfied
RambJoe: :| my 300gb drive doesn't look so messed up in my disk utility now :D
masterth1knife: but i never got it to work right with ext3
RambJoe: is this for windows
masterth1knife: partition magic yeah
RambJoe: hmmm
RambJoe: cant you do it in terminal on linux, its unmounted
RambJoe: think thats the one i used before, doesn't it take hours lol
masterth1knife: Although is not a gameplay video of tf2, still bit funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnuYi-nzE90
masterth1knife: RambJoe: yeah it takes hours
RambJoe: :(
RambJoe: is it easier to just make each linux install use a different /boot lol
Rednaxela: Heh
Rednaxela: RambJoe: Reminds me of how my current setup is weird. I have no /boot for my arch install, but do have a /boot for a gentoo install I don't use anymore... at at first I wanted to keep both accessible easily so I adjusted the grub conf and made a practice of doing a "cp -v /boot/* /mnt/oldroot/boot/arch/" whenever I update relevant things
Rednaxela: Heh
Wintervenom: wakes up, looks around, waves.
RambJoe: lol
Wintervenom: returns back to his homechannel. ;P
RambJoe: wait actaully wtf
RambJoe: http://i.imgur.com/tdJg1.png
RambJoe: Free 98 GB
RambJoe: does having /boot on another partition actaully speed tings up
Daekdroom: RambJoe, not at all
Daekdroom: Unless it's on a faster HDD/SSD
RambJoe: oh cool i wont bother then :P
RambJoe: why can you only have 4 partitions unless you use extended ones?
masterth1knife: hey Tazer
Tazer: Yo
Rednaxela: I find it interesting how SDD drives are now being seen at some big name stores (i.e. Best Buy) stores. They're definitely becoming closer to affordable
RambJoe: :D
Rednaxela: though $300 for 128GB is still too much for me to personally be interested
Rednaxela: Though smaller/cheaper capacities I'd consider for real small things, lol
Sleepy_Coder: best upgrade I've made in the last 5 years. :p
Sleepy_Coder: especially on windows zomg I almost thought I was running Linux application starts were so fast
MPX: time for RambJoe to upgrade to that ssd :P
RambJoe: lol they need to come down
Rednaxela: Sleepy_Coder: I find WinXP runs faster in a VirtualBox VM than on bare hardware. Thanks to the underlying OS having really strong good IO caching... :)
Sleepy_Coder: mmmmm
RambJoe: does arch use grub1 by default then
Rednaxela: Arch doesn't have a "default" in that way ;-)
Rednaxela: if I remember right
Rednaxela: well, but I suppose grub1 is the default in that it's what the instructions recommend
RambJoe: theres a boot loader option on the setup isn't there
RambJoe: oh
Rednaxela: Oh wait, there is in the setup yeah, forgot
Rednaxela: nevermind
Rednaxela: yeah, it does do grub1
RambJoe: oh
Rednaxela: didn't remember well at first, lol
RambJoe: lol
Rednaxela: It does clearly present the option of not installing grub though
RambJoe: yeah i know i was just wondering if i chose the partition my other grub was on
RambJoe: it would just auto configure itself
Rednaxela: If I remember right, don't think so
Rednaxela: but I may be wrong
RambJoe: oh
kurros: lol, "don't expect any delays of Steam"
Daekdroom: Good lord.
Daekdroom: Another article at something related to Steam
RambJoe: where
RambJoe: link?
kurros: michael's newst post on phoronix.com
RambJoe: ohh
kurros: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODMyMg
RambJoe: thaks
kurros: we should have a new article RSS bot
RambJoe: but ati etc wont do shit a bout drivers unless they need to
Daekdroom: You know what would totally rock? The possibility to have a binary blob for 3D support and use the opensource driver for 2D..
Daekdroom: Well, it wouldn't rock as much as a very good opensource driver, but would be better than the current fglrx o.o
Modplan: GUYS STEAM FOR LINUX IS CONFIRMED IT'S TRUE TRUST ME I KNOW THESE THINGS HONESTLY OK MAYBE NOT BUT IT IS CONFIRMED
Rednaxela: laughs
Daekdroom: doesn't give a damn
Rednaxela: While there is good evidence they've been at least toying with it, I'll only trust it'll make it out the door once there is word from the "horse's mouth"
Daekdroom: Considering how much bluff there has been when it comes to software and hardware, I'll only trust it'll make it out when it actually makes it out.
Modplan: I'll only trust it when Gabe makes love to me. That way I know I can trust him
Modplan: Have fun with that image
kurros: sorry was fapping one out
kurros: Daekdroom, that's impossible though thanks to GPL. yay. even if some kind of marriage was practical technically.
Daekdroom: kurros, doesn't the pousblo driver do that?
kurros: hmm. i'm not sure what they are doing thats different. but a fair point
Rednaxela: kurros: Well... could technically be done I'd think... GPL code could very well export an interface for a non-GPL userspace blob, if that meets the needs. Also if it's never distributed tied to the kernel, a FOSS module can be of a non-GPL license
kurros: oh i see what you mean. if its not an official xorg/kernel driver
Rednaxela: Yeah, if one is fine ignoring the politics of getting it in official xorg/kernel, one can do it without license issues
Rednaxela: (well, not just politics, but yeah)
kurros: isn't GPL the reason nvidia can't access KMS and DRI?
Daekdroom: Huh.. I guess the reason is that they won't pull DRM code for closed source shit.
Rednaxela: kurros: Doubt it considering the closed source ATI has closer ties with DRI as I understand
kurros: i mean I guess DRI could be a momentum thing at this point since they've implemented what they need themselves already, but KMS is a more annoying thing for things desktops are trying to do now
kurros: with seamless boots and all that
Rednaxela: If I had to guess, I'd guess that they're trying to keep their driver architecture as close as possible to their windows drivers, maybe sharing some parts of code
Rednaxela: and such would restrict integrating it with such things as easily
Rednaxela: Just a wild guess in the dark though
kurros: yeah, could be
kurros: though maybe less so now that they have moved to WDDM in windows
Rednaxela: shrugs
Rednaxela: Pressure to move to WDDM would be much greater than pressure to use linux KMS. Much easier to justify putting dev effort to it.
RambJoe: firefox is so shitty drag keeps randomly breaking
RambJoe: like you cant select and drag text or move tabs
Daekdroom: RambJoe, are you sure? o.o
RambJoe: yeah
kurros: RambJoe, you know i keep getting a similar thing in chrome. like even the gnome-panel will stop accepting clicks. something is stealing focus.
RambJoe: :S
RambJoe: wonder if it will do it if i use another desktop manager
RambJoe: its wierd i think i sort of see it flash for like 1 frame and you're like oh thats it i've lost my drag before you try
RambJoe: well you dont even really see it lol :S
ryan22: i just sent this later to all the political party leaders in canada
ryan22: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=18740151&postcount=61
Rednaxela: My view: Party leaders (or their aides) likely won't believe anything unless there is big lobbying and campaign donations involved
Rednaxela: laughs cynically
ryan22: lol
ryan22: at least its something
ryan22: i think at least jack layton might give it some exposure
Rednaxela: Eh
Azerthoth|D: hah. there we go, now I can watch tv on my computer again
ryan22: hes always fun to listen too
Azerthoth|D: new installs are always fun to beat into shape