bluekoala: It seems like they may last 25 years
mastertheknife: thats a lot more than i expected
maligor: we get free energy from uranium, why not use it
bluekoala: I think uranium should be used for very specific things
bluekoala: Other than disserving gigawatts to inhabitants
bluekoala: Mor epower output = more pollution
bluekoala: I userstand that the production costs are rather cheap compared to some others
bluekoala: And that we can be powered for the next few aeons
bluekoala: But the waste is more than just deadly
maligor: no, it's not really that deadly
maligor: people just have irrational fears in relation to it
Tazzypillar: are you telling us it's only a little deadly? :P
Sleepy_Coder: does a happy dance
Sleepy_Coder: 140mm fan rated at 110CFM, noise level of 19dB came today
Sleepy_Coder: reversed the 80mm fan at the back of the case to push air out, set it to use 50% of the voltage available, put the 140mm fan at the front of the case to pull air in
Sleepy_Coder: I am silent.
Sleepy_Coder: Also removed the icky white thermal paste I had substituted in a few weeks ago
Sleepy_Coder: Was a bugger getting that shit off the CPU
Sleepy_Coder: Put some lovely arctic silver in there instead
Tazzypillar: phoronix
Tazzypillar: how many of you are good at RSS
Tazzypillar: or use an RSS feeder
mikeplus64: I use Akregator.
Tazzypillar: U:
Tazzypillar: does it display your feeds when they show up
Tazzypillar: with notifyosd or something?
mikeplus64: Not by default but I think you can set notifictions for it.
mikeplus64: *notifications
Tazzypillar: O: awesome
Tazzypillar: now all I need is a gnome equivalent
bluekoala: how much did you idle tempature drop with arctic silver?
Azalyn: arctic silver is OLD.
Azalyn: it's no longer the best out there.
Azalyn: what you want is arctic cooling's MX-3 thermal paste.
Galaxy|: anyone here adept at flashing routers?
eddieate: Galaxy|: which router?
Galaxy|: WRT54G V8.2
Galaxy|: i have DD-WRT running on my other 2 routers mint
Galaxy|: i can't seem to get this one to accept vxworkskiller for some reason
Galaxy|: keeps giving me an Upgrade are failed! message
eddieate: thats not the one you need a usb to 232 adapter for is it@
eddieate: *?
Galaxy|: I don't think so
Galaxy|: says I can use the web interface to flash vxworkskiller then tftp ddwrt
Galaxy|: that's how my WRT54G v5 and WRT54GS v7.2 worked
Galaxy|: what's odd is it wont even accept stock firmware
eddieate: hmm, I don't know really sorry :/
Galaxy|: its ok
Galaxy|: no one seems to i can't really find any straight forward instructions for the 8.2
burra: hello
burra: anybody been reading about the VP8 war that is raging
burra: have read the following
burra: http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=377
burra: and this one http://carlodaffara.conecta.it/?p=420
burra: seem like the following comment summs it up
burra: http://carlodaffara.conecta.it/?p=420#comment-11220
burra: I think vp8 is as good as any point to start.
JEEB: I don't think there's a war on VP8
asraniel_: war? where?
JEEB: dunno
JEEB: people like to make a fuss about things
Ivanovic: all the stuff is probably about companies seeing that they might be able to get some money when pressing for "hey, we got pantents on this stuff!!!"
Ivanovic: and yeah, as best case i hope this will lead to many patents on current video stuff being proven as invalid (even better would be a complete change in the patent system altogether!)
NigeyUK: weeeeeeee
NigeyUK: mornin all
manaphuun_: mornin
burra: Ivanovic: have any of the codec patents ever been tested in court?
burra: i for one will switch to chromium-dev version for a while to test and report buggs :)
Ivanovic: burra: i don't think they were ever tested in court
burra: Ivanovic: ok
tkmorris: http://www.alphatek.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/linux-steam.png
Galaxy|: xD
mikeplus64: tkmorris: Where was that from or did you just make it up?
tkmorris: mikeplus64: http://www.alphatek.info/2009/06/19/steam-available-on-linux-soon/
tkmorris: "2009/06/19/"
mikeplus64: Ahh.
tkmorris: xD
mikeplus64: I don't see no "System Requirements" >:[
mikeplus64: On the Steam website.
tkmorris: " Ok, it looks like this whole Steam thing was a typo. The game will be available on Linux, but not trough Steam. See http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17769#post79168 "
asciiwolf: hello
giselher: hy
mastertheknife: hey
mikeplus64: Good greetings.
NigeyUK: rar
mikeplus64: tar
Nevtus: I was going to make a joke about unrar'ing but I thought it'd be lame
NigeyUK: zip
NigeyUK: lol Nevtus
NigeyUK|: meh
giselher: meh
giselher: Valve should hurry up with an announcement before no one is interested anymore
eddieate: anyone using irssi?
GNU\colossus: ←
Nevtus: I am
Tigge: jupp
NigeyUK|: http://www.nigey.co.uk/images/astro/M40-Combined.jpg ... that work for anyone ?
Nevtus: work in what way?
Nevtus: the image loads
NigeyUK|: dammit :(
NigeyUK|: it should give a 403 .. hmm
Nevtus: http://www.nigey.co.uk/images/astro/
Nevtus: directory listing is on too
NigeyUK|: think i b0rked the htaccess
Nevtus: if you want to 403 certain files change their permissions
NigeyUK|: i will when i can be bothered, i had it so the entire dir could only be accessed from the local referer but i reset it by mistake
Nevtus: NigeyUK|: you could just turn listing off in the .htaccess and then chmod o-r * the contents of the directory
NigeyUK|: wont that make them 403 regardless of referer? i just need to stop people hotlinking the image, its getting hammered :/
Nevtus: oh. yeah it would. I thought you were just trying to make them not public
NigeyUK|: fixed :)
Nevtus: I might have some hotlink type stuff in a .htaccess file somewhere
NigeyUK|: that'll teach me to take a good image and have it on a popular website lol
Nevtus: now redirect hotlinks to a shock image ;)
NigeyUK|: haha yus!
NigeyUK|: try it now pmsl
NigeyUK|: http://www.nigey.co.uk/images/astro/M40-Combined.jpg
Nevtus: redirect to steamonlinux?
NigeyUK|: yups, might as well lol
Nevtus: they'll think you hacked the matrix doing that
NigeyUK|: lol
NigeyUK|: i should get my article finished :/
Nevtus: this doesn't make sense, mozilla are against closed/patent encumbered formats like h264 yet support the closed iphone with an "app" http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/05/27/1326245/Firefox-Home-Coming-To-iPhone-Browser-Next?art_pos=2
NigeyUK|: another pointless app for the jesus phone :/
Nevtus: my shitty phone-that-does-nothing-but-phone-or-text is fine for me :P
Nevtus: the latest android phones do like nice though, but not for actual phone functions
Tigge: Not sure how Mozilla will get around the javascript issue
Tigge: perhaps they will not have javascript?
NigeyUK|: i got the Hero last year and its fine too, be nice to have a 2.1 update to android mind, htc dragging their feet a bit i think.
Nevtus: I wouldn't mind an android phone for some on the move pdf reading, the odd game (like using scumvm) and as a sat nav
Tigge: Or get an N900?
Tigge: awesome stuff
Nevtus: yeah could do that that too
Nevtus: android seems to be getting more support though
Tigge: mm
Tigge: perhaps the next MeeGo device
Tigge: *first mobile
Nevtus: *scummvm , missed the Mansion M
Tigge: ooh Maniac Mansion?
Modplan: waiting on Residual for Grim Fandango
Tigge: ah, that was a good game
Nevtus: I seen some stuff on the forums about maybe getting myst games to run in scummvm in the future, they'd be awesome
Modplan: Tigge buggy as Hell to try and play now, Residual is the beacon of hope
Modplan: http://residual.sourceforge.net/
Tigge: Nice
Tigge: that would be nice
Tigge: http://www.siedler25.org/ like this little project for Settlers II
Nevtus: why is that project seperate from the main scummvm project? I know it uses a different engine but scummvm doesn't just run scumm games anymore
Modplan: ScummVM does old 2d adventure games
Modplan: they're not interested in 3d stuff AFAIK, or osmething like that
Nevtus: so it's like a political decision on the scummvm devs then?
Modplan: Nevtus possibly, remember reading thread on it somewhere, need to find it
Nevtus: it's also a bit weird to have an emulator that is only for two games (of which only one is considered good)
LibertyZero: it's not an emulator, it's an interpreter *scnr*
Nevtus: pff
Modplan: Nevtus they're thinking of expanding it eventually to other 3d adventure games in the future
Nevtus: I can't really think of any good 3d adverture games beyond Grim
LibertyZero: broken sword 3?
Nevtus: never really liked the broken sword series
Modplan: that may be a bit too recent
Modplan: http://residual.scummvm.org/viewtopic.php?t=9&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Nevtus: oh LBA. I loved those games
Nevtus: I think DOSbox runs them well enough though, according to the compatibility on the site
Nevtus: Discworld Noir support does sound interesting though
Gnurdux: huh steamonlinux says: (we will be showcasing all the evidence in the next few days)
Gnurdux: what does "the next few days" mean
Gnurdux: is it sort of like "imminent" or "soon"?
NigeyUK|: it means when ive finished checking all the info :p
NigeyUK|: im not publishing ANYTHING until ive checked everything for factuality :)
Flyser_: NigeyUK|: what are you checking for factuality
NigeyUK|: 2 things specifically, and that's the info from the telegraph, and something else thats going to stay private unless i get an email saying otherwise
Flyser_: how do you want to check the telegraph article for factuality? have you contacted the author?
NigeyUK|: i have, and i'm giving them another day to reply before i get pissed and send another request for info on the source
Flyser_: okay
NigeyUK|: but there is no NEW news as far as im aware on the client, i just want to be accurate in what i say is known
Flyser_: now the private email sounds interesting. lets hope you get the email ;)
NigeyUK|: fingers crossed :D
Flyser_: :)
Flyser_: when can we expect further news?^^
Modplan: when Gabe learns to love penguins. As it is he'd prefer them all to be melted
NigeyUK|: your guess is as good as mine, id wait a month or so at least, let the mac launch settle down before they might say anything oficially
NigeyUK|: loll mod
Flyser_: okay^^
Nevtus: I'd think some point after the inevitable Steam on Mac plug at the apple conference in June
NigeyUK|: yeah defo not b4 that, jobs would be pissed if linux stole his limelight
NigeyUK|: i just think of the mac fanbois as the guinea pigs for the linux client tbh :p
Nevtus: hmm, I'm not convinced Valve are thinking about it in that way
NigeyUK|: it'd make sense
NigeyUK|: very alike systems, bound to get bugs that would effect a linux client aswell, they get to iron them out b4 the linux client is even in beta
Modplan: latest stats on Mac OS X / Windows / Linux put most Mac users as guinea pigs
NigeyUK|: haha
NigeyUK|: or job's sheep .. ;)
Modplan: Must be very messy living with a mac user...
Modplan: shearing them must be inconvenient too
NigeyUK|: lmao
Nevtus: oh I agree that it will make the opengl/*nix type work more mature by the time it gets to linux, but I'm not sure Valve are doing it because they believe linux is the end goal. They might end up being convinced later on though
NigeyUK|: they cant go much further as an end goal .. unless they do a ps3 client :|
Flyser_: BeOS!
Flyser_: ;)
NigeyUK|: hah !
s_20: one has to say though.. there are quite a few differences between the osx and *nix client
s_20: for one, X
s_20: also font rendering, does the linux client use gtk/qt for that or will they code something entirely new?
Nevtus: the dev binaries that were public used X11 directly, no gtk/gt/etc
Modplan: font rendering uses opengl if i remember rightly
NigeyUK|: well, the gui renders fonts via opengl into a texture
Flyser_: s_20: they dont use qt or gtk
s_20: NigeyUK|: that so? that's pretty cool then
NigeyUK|: that was / is the stumbling block with the client atm, a few of us have yet to get the fonts to render
s_20: Modplan: all i'm saying is that some people seem to forget that a mac client doesn't equal a linux client, even though both do have a lot in common
Nevtus: *gtk/qt/etc
NigeyUK|: what is puzzling is this ..
NigeyUK|: normally someone at valve will say linux isnt supported etc etc and point you to the wine wiki, but lately theyve said nothing at all
Lanz: Lol, whoever made that steamonlinux site has the grammar skills of a 2nd grader
Lanz: Valve will surely take that seriously, rofl
NigeyUK|: oi dont diss my grammar!
Nevtus: Lanz: meet NigeyUK|
Lanz: Lol
Lanz: Sorry bud
NigeyUK|: Nevtus, he's gonna love the next article then, its about 5 pages long ;)
Lanz: Unless you made at as a joke, it's pretty horrible
Lanz: I hope Valve never sees it
NigeyUK|: its not there for valves benefit
Lanz: Also, I have a question
Lanz: Since Valve made it possible for Portal and now Half Life 2 to run on a Mac, does that mean if you're running the Windows version of said games that you could force them to render with OpenGL?
Lanz: That'd be quite a benefit for us Wine/Steam guys haha
Nevtus: they're using OpenGL
Nevtus: it's only in the mac builds though, it's still DirectX only in Windows Source games
NigeyUK|: they wont run in opengl in windows
Lanz: Ugh
Lanz: That's so stupid
Lanz: We ought to start with requesting OpenGL on Windows
maligor: the opengl performance is lower
maligor: I think it's just bolted ontop somehow
Lanz: Because the games run fine, they just don't perform nearly as well because Wine has to translate Direct3D calls to GL calls
maligor: wine might be faster than valve's opengl heh
Lanz: No it's not, not even close
Flyser_: maligor: just because the drivers are worse it does not mean that opengl is slower
maligor: you mean the macosx drivers?
Flyser_: yes
maligor: they're really so dreadful?
Lanz: Yeah that's why OSX performance is so pathetic
Nevtus: Lanz: nah, we shouldn't care about wine performance anymore (at least with Valve), we should push for the native linux version to be finished and released instead
Lanz: The drivers aren't really that concerned with 3D performance
Modplan: phoronix made mention of an OpenGL regression in OS X 10.6.2 i think
Lanz: Nevtus: baby steps man, we should take what we can get
Modplan: in teh benchmarks
Flyser_: Nevtus: both would be cool. For some games it will still be neccessary to run steam with wine
Nevtus: I don't agree. if they back out of a linux client now, I'll never buy another Valve game again
Lanz: Realistically I doubt Valve will support Linux in the near future
Lanz: OpenGL for Windows would benefit us a ton
maligor: Lanz, why not?
maligor: it's a emerging market with no drm solution
Lanz: Because of the large variation between distros creating a support nightmare, and because we're Linux users: we want our software to be open source and free, by and large
maligor: do you?
Nevtus: that's FUD
Lanz: The percentage of Linux users that actually want to game is just a fraction of the total Linux market
maligor: I like my drivers and os to be free and opensource
maligor: I don't mind commercial software and games tho
Lanz: Personally, I'd prefer _everything_ to be opensource
Lanz: And it's not FUD, it's pragmatic
NigeyUK|: haha theyd never open source steam
Lanz: I don't mind commercial games from id, because they always open source their stuff
Lanz: Any other games, I won't pay for: I pirate them
Lanz: They'll never be open source
maligor: ...
Flyser_: Lanz: Why do you think that they would have to support every distribution? just one would be enough maybe up to five to make everyone happy
Nevtus: other games have had linux versions that work fine on any distro and linux users do pay for software
Lanz: Valve's games are the exception though, I do pay for them
Nevtus: when it's worth paying for
Nevtus: well
maligor: Lanz, why?
Nevtus: using games
Nevtus: *usually games
maligor: I think most of the valve games are boring rubbish
Lanz: Flyser_: they'd have to support the Debian derivatives and Redhat derivatives to make most people happy
Sleepy_Coder: I am not a fan of HL2.
maligor: but I think that of more or less most games
Sleepy_Coder: There, i said it.
Lanz: But don't forget there are plenty of Gentoo users, etc
maligor: they'll never support genpoo
Lanz: Should they be FORCED to install Ubuntu? I should hope not
Sleepy_Coder: Not much differences between Linux distros, libraries are all in the same spot :
Sleepy_Coder: :\*
NigeyUK|: Fedora, Ubuntu, Gentoo .. would be a nice mix to support
maligor: gentoo is impossible to support
Sleepy_Coder: Why?
Lanz: And then, would the Steam UI be written in GTK+ or QT?
NigeyUK|: lol well.. hard not impossible
maligor: because it's not a stable target
Lanz: There are many issues to consider
Sleepy_Coder: Gentoo has a ton of ebuilds for commercials games in their portage, btw
Lanz: Should they target Phonon or ALSA for sound?
maligor: Sleepy_Coder, so?
maligor: Sleepy_Coder, we're talking about THEM supporting it
NigeyUK|: Lanz, the entire gui is opengl rendered through X ..
Sleepy_Coder: I would not call Gentoo unstable...
Flyser_: Lanz: just because they dont *support* a distribution, it does not mean that steam wont work there.
GNU\colossus: Lanz: OpenMotif and esd, of course - don't be silly!
Nevtus: uhh, what is this rubbish? Games have already been released on linux and work on any distro (with the occasional tinkering) such as id games
maligor: Sleepy_Coder, portage makes it inheritly a unstable target
Lanz: Hahaha
Flyser_: I am a gentoo user myself and I would not care if they would just support ubuntu
Sleepy_Coder: maligor: I would disagree :>
maligor: Sleepy_Coder, and I don't mean software stability
Lanz: Look guys, I hope they support Linux, I really do
maligor: Sleepy_Coder, I mean platform stability
Lanz: I just don't think it's all that likely
Sleepy_Coder: maligor: Of course, but I would only support users who have a clue ;p
Lanz: I don't think we should get our hopes up just yet
Sleepy_Coder: It's easy to f-ck up with portage, but who cares about the people who run Gentoo for the first time? ;p
Lanz: We always get the shaft
Sleepy_Coder: They don't have to provide support per distro, just follow the LSB and such
Flyser_: Sleepy_Coder: right
Lanz: The onlly company that respects us is id Software
maligor: I just hope they don't go the path of Autodesk.. bloody rpms
maligor: they only have rpms
Sleepy_Coder: John Carmack can choke on a bucket of cocks.
Sleepy_Coder: (btw)
Sleepy_Coder: He doesn't seem to care at all about releasing Rage for Linux.
Lanz: I think debs are more likely, Debian and Ubuntu seem to be a majority these days
maligor: yeah, I want paradox games to linux
maligor: they make the good stuff
maligor: or publish the good stuff
Lanz: Sleepy_Coder: I think when all is said and done, Rage will work on Linux
Lanz: He was just pissed because OpenGL 3 sucked
Lanz: But 4 is out now, so maybe he'll get back on track
s_20: Sleepy_Coder: yah right, that stupid ass for GPL'ing so much cool stuff.
Sleepy_Coder: I doubt it will be released for Linux. Sadly.
Lanz: I don't
Sleepy_Coder: s_20: 6 year delay on engines
Lanz: I believe in Carmack
s_20: Sleepy_Coder: so?
s_20: the man has to run a business
Lanz: 6 year delay? Who cares, at least he gives them to us
Nevtus: Lanz: they can officially support it as debs which is fine. It'll still work on any distro once you extract the deb and repackage it
s_20: and selling licences is part of said business
Lanz: Nevtus: yeah, I was just saying it's more likely that debs would be released than rpms anymore
maligor: yeah, lots of good has come out of the id engine release
s_20: so he can't afford to give something away for free if there are people willing to pay substantial amoutns of money for it
s_20: which is fine by me if he'll GPL it eventually
Lanz: s_20: we think alike
Lanz: I have mad respect for Carmack for releasing engines to us
maligor: but I want the doom3 engine already :P
Modplan: s_20 tell that to humble indie bundle devs
Sleepy_Coder: I think 6-year delays are a bit extreme.
Sleepy_Coder: id tech 4 is supposed to open-source once Rage is released using id tech 5
Sleepy_Coder: (btw)
Lanz: I don't mind, they're still the best open source engine tech available
Lanz: We can't complain too much, now can we?
Sleepy_Coder: It's easy to complain :p
s_20: Sleepy_Coder: i know, so what's the big deal?
Lanz: Haha yeah
maligor: the dark mod might get a nice boost from doom3 engine release
Sleepy_Coder: My point is, he open-sources these things once they are no value to anyone. Only when Linux users are hyped about playing with engines from the 90s.
Lanz: I'm excited for the Doom 3 engine release
s_20: maligor: right, they might do a standalone thing even, i don't think they really use any doom3 assets
s_20: Sleepy_Coder: wrong.
s_20: look at quake live
Lanz: Sleepy_Coder: I personally love the source ports and modernization that's been done to Doom, Quake, Quake 2, etc
s_20: idtech3
GNU\colossus: or Counter Strike
Nevtus: Sleepy_Coder: I agree, in the overall view of linux gaming it does little to help the cause
Lanz: Look at jDoom! It's breathed new life into one of the most important games of all time
Sleepy_Coder: Blah, quake live is boring.
Sleepy_Coder: I hate games that need to be executed from a browser, also.
Sleepy_Coder: And we have a shitload of quake derivatives.
Lanz: I like Quake 3 a hell of a lot
s_20: Sleepy_Coder: yah well, that's your opinion
Sleepy_Coder: It's a pretty strong one too :p
Lanz: Don't forget about all the mods that can be standalone games, for Linux, because he opensources the engine
GNU\colossus: q3 = best fps ever.
s_20: it's successful, which proves that "old" technology is still in demand
Lanz: Look at Tremulus, Urban Terror, Smokin' Guns, etc
Sleepy_Coder: I only ever got into quake because trickjumping looked to be more fun than getting railed halfway across the map
Nevtus: the last thing linux gaming needs is more run and gun quake clones
Sleepy_Coder: ^
Lanz: I disagree
maligor: shame the days of bunny hopping are gone now
Lanz: Any games that run on Linux bring us a larger gaming market
maligor: no game implements the bunny hop physics
Lanz: We shouldn't close ourself to any
GNU\colossus: q3 and qw are the epitome of the typ of FPS that emphasizes player skill and hand/eye coordination. I agree that we don't need any reimplementations of those.
Lanz: Maybe if we get enough games, commercial markets will see us seriously
Sleepy_Coder: Not saying we should, just tired of hyping over small contributions.
Modplan: http://somethingmild.blogspot.com/2010/04/linux-users-do-buy-things-after-all.html
Nevtus: if all those games are quake clones made from code Carmack threw to us after he was done making money from them linux gaming will never take off
Sleepy_Coder: Hmm well darkplaces is a good example of a quake engine updated
Lanz: Darkplaces is awesome
Sleepy_Coder: But nexuiz doesn't seem to run very well in some ways
Lanz: Turn off reflections, then Nexuiz runs blazing fast
Sleepy_Coder: reflections, and then odd effects like motion blur... just a bit awkward
maligor: there's xreal too
Lanz: It just doesn't do reflections properly
Lanz: Isn't xreal still unreleased though?
Sleepy_Coder: xreal I tried once, never saw anything else from it
Sleepy_Coder: was only one map to 'demo'...
Lanz: I thought it was like pre-alpha haha
maligor: yeah, something like that
Sleepy_Coder: Wasn't there another engine after xreal that michael did a piece on?
maligor: you have to download it from svn
Lanz: Xreal could be really cool once it's done
Lanz: For now I'm sticking to ioQuake3
Sleepy_Coder: I got so tired of waiting for nexuiz to look any better.
Sleepy_Coder: Ugly ass models.
Sleepy_Coder: hopes things will change for the better with Xonotic
Modplan: Nexuiz kinda screwed themselves over. Xonotic is where it's at :p
Lanz: Speaking of models, there used to be a model pack that replaced all of the Quake 2 weapons with the ones from Generations Arena (Quake 3 mod)
Lanz: Do you guys know where to get that?
Sleepy_Coder: Xonotic looked dead the last I saw
Lanz: I've been trying to find it
maligor: warsaw! :P
Modplan: xonotic isn't dead at all
Modplan: IRC is alive and well, so are forums
maligor: err.. warsow
Sleepy_Coder: Nothing released, no news...
Modplan: haven't released yet because it still needs work
Sleepy_Coder: any dev releases? :\\
maligor: work on what?
Sleepy_Coder: http://www.xonotic.org/media/ I liked the models...
maligor: just swap all the texts saying Nexuiz and package it? :P
Lanz: Yeah the models look nicer
Modplan: Sleepy_Coder: http://dev.xonotic.org/projects/3/wiki
Sleepy_Coder: http://pics.nexuizninjaz.com/viewer.php?file=6iu56q7iycv9md1eh3yq.jpg looks retarded here though.
Lanz: I still don't know why they forked though, isn't putting Nexuiz onto consoles a "good thing"?
Modplan: consoles nexiuz is NOT PC nexuiz
Modplan: http://www.xonotic.org/faq/
Lanz: Oh okay
Lanz: That's shitty
Lanz: Too bad they hijacked Nex like that :/
mastertheknife: Hey...
mastertheknife: heard of caster pay what you want?
mastertheknife: linux client and all 5 chapters it seems
mastertheknife: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23999
Sleepy_Coder: needs moar cowbell
Lanz: I really wish the Stalker series of games ran on Linux haha, especially the upcoming MMORPG
Lanz: Love that series
mastertheknife: you know Lanz
mastertheknife: we really need a good MMORPG game in linux
Lanz: Yeah, we do
bluekoala: There was Eve
Sleepy_Coder: irc.
Sleepy_Coder: done.
bluekoala: I played eve for a day
bluekoala: I tought it was lame
Sleepy_Coder: Eve client for Linux was discontinued as it played better in WINE, iirc.
bluekoala: Correct
alexandernst: lol
Sleepy_Coder: I never played that game because i'm not into games so complicated they please sadomasochists.
maligor: wasn't the linux client ported using libwine?
Sleepy_Coder: Don't remember :-)
maligor: yeah, eve is rather a economy simulation
alexandernst: what we really need is ps3 games to be cheaper, and stop playing on PC's :D
Lanz: Haha I hear ya Sleepy_Coder
Nevtus: lol no
Lanz: Complicated games suck
Lanz: That's why I like the Stalker series, for an RPG it's really simple
Sleepy_Coder: I just want something to look good where I can shoot 12 year olds.
Lanz: LOL!
Sleepy_Coder: And then laugh at them over voice chat.
Lanz: Play CounterStrike Source in Wine then ;)
Sleepy_Coder: While searching for their nickname on facebook, for further defamation of character.
Lanz: Nothing but prepubescent teens
NigeyUK|: lol
Lanz: Bahahaha
alexandernst: Sleepy_Coder: and tell them "I owned you, n00b, há!" ?
Sleepy_Coder: No, I pretend to be a boyfriend they wronged :-)
Sleepy_Coder: ex-boyfriend I guess.
Sleepy_Coder: It's even better if they're friends with their parents.
Nevtus: mastertheknife: the character design on the tshirt for that game doesn't seem to match what's shown in the video :S
Sleepy_Coder: Is it May? 0.o
Nevtus: it's the end of May
Sleepy_Coder: weird
Sleepy_Coder: Thought it was June
Lanz: Lol
Lanz: The weather is nice enough to be June
Sleepy_Coder: I feel like a dick...
Sleepy_Coder: I only donated $7.28 to Caster dev
skyhirider: nah, every penny counts
mastertheknife: Nevtus: :\
Sleepy_Coder: I wanted to leave exactly $40 in my Paypal :(
Sleepy_Coder: I was originally going to donate $15
bluekoala: I used the google's equivalent to paypal
bluekoala: I like it better than paypal
Sleepy_Coder: I should cancel my paypal account but I *believe* paypal is more widely accepted
Sleepy_Coder: (I think?)
Sleepy_Coder: I was interested in Google Checkout
maligor: yeah, google is probably more serious about security
mastertheknife: Paypal is more widely accepted though
mastertheknife: nothing stops you from having both though :P
maligor: well known fact that two sites with your card registered is more secure than having it in just one
Gnurdux: Lanz, unfortunately XreaL is pretty much a one-developer project and that one developer basically stopped
Gnurdux: but i dont think there's been any plan to turn XreaL per se into a game in its own right for a while
Gnurdux: various people seem to be working on games based on the enginee
Gear0: So does anyone think that valve will also port the GoldSrc engine to Linux? Which would mean the original Half-Life and Counter-Strike 1.6, and various other mods ??
Gear0: It already supports OpenGL
asraniel_: Somebody should actually make an open source version. I'm quite sure that would be easy with like darkplaces which already reads half life levels
Gear0: I was thinking that a while back too... would be a fun project
Gear0: wouldn't there be copyright issues though?
Sleepy_Coder: wheee
Sleepy_Coder: globalled on another network about caster
Sleepy_Coder: and the pay what you want thing. wonder if the lead is around.
Sleepy_Coder: I love guilting people into saying nice things to me.
Ivanovic: Gear0: in the interview some time ago (together with the release of steam for osx) gabe said that they plan to make half life available for mac, too
Ivanovic: (that is he expected most problems with those)
Ivanovic: so, yes, it is likely that they will also port the goldsrc games to linux
asraniel: what interview?
Ivanovic: some time ago as some pod cast/radio like thingie
asraniel: Gear0: yeah, would really be a fun project, never coded for a quake engine though.. but as long as you don't redistribute the half life artwork there is no problem (and don't use the Half life name)
Sleepy_Coder: Isn't it amazing that they manage to repeatedly produce a lot of marketing/hype about graphics processors every time yet a new one is always needed and is easily updated? can't wait for gpus to finally get so fast a new one isn't ever required.
Ivanovic: this one: http://5by5.tv/videos/conversation/2010/conversation-ep16.mp4?1274292438
Sleepy_Coder: Oh wait, never happen. T.T
Sleepy_Coder: It must be planned.
Ivanovic: the quote is/was this: "all our games will come out for mac, though there might be some probs with the goldsrc games, but all source games will definitley come out for mac"
Ivanovic: with other words: looks like they at least *plan* to work on the old games, too
Gear0: Ivanovic: sweeet
Ivanovic: Gear0: yeah
Gnurdux: Sleepy_Coder, that will probably not happen in the way you say
Gnurdux: more likely they will stop getting better so quickly
Sleepy_Coder: Maybe we'll finally get a cheap GPU that plays all our games, and quietly
Gear0: might happen if they perfect quantum computing...
Sleepy_Coder: oh weird, did not know that key combo did that...
Sleepy_Coder: hmm what is that.
Sleepy_Coder: blah
Sleepy_Coder: oic
Sleepy_Coder: Ctrl + / == underline
Sleepy_Coder: underlined
Sleepy_Coder: testtest
Sleepy_Coder: yes.
bluekoala: 
bluekoala: fffff
The_Muh: any news?
Azerthoth|D: Steam lowers users IQ. CONFIRMED!!
Sleepy_Coder: I have a high enough IQ to need lowering :p
GNU\colossus: My IQ causes an integer overflow on today's architectures. Let's hope they store it in an unisged data type!
Sleepy_Coder: unsigned short int :p
Sleepy_Coder: is more than you will ever need.
Flyser_: I think an unsigned char should suffice too ;)
Sleepy_Coder: nou
LordHavoc: So does anyone think that valve will also port the GoldSrc engine to Linux? Which would mean the original Half-Life and Counter-Strike 1.6, and various other mods ??
LordHavoc: It already supports OpenGL
LordHavoc: Somebody should actually make an open source version. I'm quite sure that would be easy with like darkplaces which already reads half life levels
LordHavoc: actually James 'Endy' Brown of quakesrc.org made a HL1 replacement engine at one point
LordHavoc: I helped him debug the skeletal model code
LordHavoc: hl mdl is quite peculiar in how it functions
LordHavoc: not a traditional skeletal format at all
LordHavoc: but it is skeletal
LordHavoc: he said it was even network compatible
LordHavoc: (he tested CS)
LordHavoc: it's not as hard as it sounds because much of the magic is in the cgame dll
The_Muh: any news about the steam-linux-binarys`
The_Muh: *?
Flyser_: The_Muh: still 403
Gear0: So someones working on it?
Flyser_: valve hopefully
Flyser_: I don't know if anyone is still working on the "old" binarys
The_Muh: steam ^‿^
Tallken: you know what they're gonna call this if they decide not to release it after all, don't you?
Nevtus: vapour
Tallken: exactly ^‿^
Nevtus: Vapour on Linux. Launches with Duke Nukem Forever
giselher: Vapour = Steam? Steam on Linux Confirmed
s_20: that was actually quite clever.
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: no news that r600g has hit mesa master?!?
mastertheknife: anyone watched european song contest?
Ivanovic: uhm, the real contest takes place on saturday, it is still some time off
Ivanovic: (beside this some eastern european country will most likely win anyway...)
mastertheknife: Well today was to select 8 or 10 countries that go into the final
d2kx: european song contest is quite funny at times, but you cant the stuff they play serious for the most part
d2kx: and yes r600g going to mesa/master should be news on phoronix
Nevtus: I might watch the final. It's usually quite amusing
NigeyUK: Apple has removed an application from the iPhone App Store after the Free Software Foundation complained that the store's terms of service undermined the application's open source license.
NigeyUK: meh
Azerthoth|D: read more, the author also refused to release code
Kano: hi michaellarabel , where are the tesselation benchmarks with tessealtion
Kano: err unigine heaven i mean ;9
Kano: its out and still no bench ;)
Kano: btw. i have got .34 ck1 tuned kernels if you want to test default maverick against ck1
Kano: you should add a bfs check too, told you several times how to do that...
mastertheknife: Azerthoth|D: If its an iPhone application, but why does he need to release the source code?
mastertheknife: I dont think there is gpl code in the iphone
Azerthoth|D: mastertheknife, GPL
mastertheknife: hmm ill scroll up to find link to the article
Kano: mastertheknife: it was a port of a gpl game
Azerthoth|D: I found the article in groklaw or LXer ... one of the two
mastertheknife: Kano: ohh
mastertheknife: Kano: and he charged money for it.. lol...
Azerthoth|D: nothing wrong with that part
mastertheknife: he charged money for porting free software
Kano: well basically he can do
Azerthoth|D: again, nothing wrong with that
RambJoe: anyone know css?
mastertheknife: I think its lame to do such a thing
mastertheknife: to port a free software and try to make $$$ for it
mastertheknife: from it*
Kano: id soft reused the gpl code too to port the old games to iphone
Kano: replaced some symbols and had the thing ready
Kano: red cross is now a green cross or so
RambJoe: how can i make a li have a width without using float
Kano: michaellarabel: best add dx11 + opengl4 renderer for win version of heaven...
Nevtus: nothing wrong with charging for free software (or things made with free software) as long as the source is provided
Nevtus: in ids case, they just used their engine under the proprietary licence version though (obviously without the need to pay themselves to do so since it's theirs)
Kano: opengl 4 card users here?
Kano: wow so many...
DeathCrawler: meh nvidya limiting mah video chips
Kano: DeathCrawler: ?
DeathCrawler: Kame: Joking with new driver leaks. :P
DeathCrawler: i installed today
Kano: which driver
DeathCrawler: 256
Kano: thats old
DeathCrawler: really?
Kano: 25044797 May 21 06:28 NVIDIA-Linux-x86-256.25-pkg1.run
Kano: you are 1 week late ;)
DeathCrawler: XD
DeathCrawler: But I downloaded 4 days ago.
DeathCrawler: and forgot
Kano: i had to tune my script for this driver release
Kano: it is differnetly packaged/versioned than before
Kano: but not that hard to do when you know what you do
DeathCrawler: yes
DeathCrawler: Friend of mine uses Slack and Feel dificuties for package in .txz
Kano: did he manage it
DeathCrawler: Kano: where you put the .deb packages?
Kano: i do not create debian packages for nvidia
Kano: just for fglrx
DeathCrawler: oh, sorry. :P
Kano: so my nvidia script should NOT be used with lucid
DeathCrawler: im in the karmic
Kano: then the pure installer might still work
DeathCrawler: but ill use sidux soon
Kano: better use kanotix with kde3 if you like pure speed
DeathCrawler: only w8ing for final release
DeathCrawler: oh, and the packages, old?
DeathCrawler: i like KDE3
Kano: updated the new kernel to .34-ck1
Kano: scripts for latest versions of mplayer,vlc,xbmc
Kano: in several variants
DeathCrawler: hmmm, interresting
Kano: well i checked the scripts to run with u too
Kano: my nvidia script enables dkms for the kernel module
Kano: http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-debian.sh
Kano: so you can just upgrade the kernel
Kano: and do nothing
Kano: when you used the normal installer you could use -aKk kernel-ver
Kano: too to just create the module,but not that simple like dkms, also you need to know it ;)
DeathCrawler: XD
s_20: dkms is heavensent
DeathCrawler: yes
DeathCrawler: XD
Kano: otherwise every kernel update you will get vesa or nothing ;)
s_20: Kano: it's not just that
s_20: what about other custom modules like virtualbox, qemu, vmware.. or some 3rd party driver
Kano: s_20: i know dkms
s_20: dkms is king.
Kano: s_20: I worte the first vbox dkms code
s_20: you are my hero for the day!
Kano: vboxdrv-dkms.sh 03-Mar-2008 00:30 927
DeathCrawler: Kano: I suffered this in past, installing .run in sidux
Kano: http://kanotix.com/files/fix/dkms/vboxdrv-dkms.sh
Kano: that was my script
Kano: now it works differntly but i had it before it was integrated
Kano: for nvidia i had an addon script as well
Kano: same day i updated it last time, then i integrated it
Kano: so you see you could use that with kanotix > 2y ago
Kano: isohybrid mode > 9 month before s
Kano: they need ages to adopt cool things
Kano: for fglrx i use dkms since it was introduced
Kano: in the packageing
DeathCrawler: Kano: Kanotix is Rolling Release?
DeathCrawler: well ill test this
Kano: partly
Kano: i update the tools i use
Kano: and write scripts to compile the latest for those i really like
Kano: latest pidgin
Kano: relatively recent wine, well should update it...
Kano: latest java
Kano: i preinstall skype with libv4l preload, u does not know about libv4l it seems ;)
DeathCrawler: lol
Kano: many webcams will not show a picture without
DeathCrawler: Kano: Is a "proprietary" lib?
Daekdroom: As opensource as the kernel.
DeathCrawler: lol
Kano: of course not
Kano: i even updated it and mailed my patches upstream to support some extra cams
Kano: you need to add a quirk when a notebook has a flipped image
DeathCrawler: nice
Kano: for other drivers you need kernel patches
Kano: to do the same
Kano: i reported the problem in such a case
RambJoe: any steam news?
tkmorris: http://store.steampowered.com/news/
Nevtus: RambJoe: untill after the apple conference in June has past you might as well take it as a given there is no news
RambJoe: oh :(
RambJoe: ow finally on firefox addon site you can install addons on incompatible browsers
Nevtus: if I were to make an annoucement date up, I'd say late in June
RambJoe: and you dont have to download it in google chrome or something
RambJoe: like e3?
RambJoe: wtf i get xml parsing error on minefield
Nevtus: could be, but somehow I doubt the general gaming press would care much at this point. Most probably wouldn't know what linux is (even if their websites are powered by it)
RambJoe: oh
Nevtus: I can just imagine a video where Gabe is making a speech and tux appears on the slide behind him and one guy claps
RambJoe: lolo
Nevtus: I could see them just annoucing it without much flair tbh, just on the site
RambJoe:
RambJoe: what is that
RambJoe: Location: chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
RambJoe: how do i find which chrome://browser/content/browser.xul my firefox uses
RambJoe: ffs ini files keep opening in notepad in wine
Azalyn: i really hope they don't wait until after the apple conference...
Azalyn: fucking idiot mactards.
Azalyn: mactards need to be taken down a peg or two
Kano: you know, apple overtook ms already...
Azalyn: gabe newell makes no sense. calling the mac and windows an "open platform"
Kano: its even more expensive than ms
Azalyn: and furthermore, he tries to criticize the ps3 for being 'closed', but the xbox 360 which they do release on, is the same god damn shit.
Azalyn: both platforms are drm'd
RambJoe: wonder if apple over taking ms had anything to do with steam lol
Azalyn: and then he goes and says "ps3 needs to be less like a gamecube", that makes no sense, they are all videogame consoles.
Kano: well ps3 has only an opengl wrapper
Azalyn: and the gamecube was probably the *most* easy to develop on in it's generation...
Kano: for full speed you need another abi
Azalyn: he makes no sense.
Azalyn: Kano: again, makes no sense. because the gamecube has an api that is very much like opengl. called gx.
Kano: no idea
Azalyn: awhile back he also praised the wii as i recall, despite it having the same gx api, and being little more than a souped up gamecube.
RambJoe: anyone here use firefox 3.7
Azalyn: he makes *no sense*
Kano: RambJoe: i prefer 3.6.4
RambJoe: oh
Azalyn: does gabe ever respond to emails? i'm thinking of giving him a piece of my mind.
RambJoe: it keeps going wrong everytime i install addons
Kano: available as beta
Azalyn: i want to ask him to clarify his statements.
RambJoe: holy fucking shit 3.7 is fast
Azalyn: is there even a beta for 3.7 yet?
RambJoe: yeah
RambJoe: well
RambJoe: alpha*
Kano: nightly
RambJoe: probably why im having trouble :P
Azalyn: that probably has the new javascript engine
RambJoe: :)
RambJoe: you can also put tabs on top
Azalyn: it's a hybrid of tracemonkey and webkit's JIT or something.
RambJoe: and it still doesn't pass acid 3
Azalyn: it probably wont until firefox 4...
Kano: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/latest-electrolysis/
Kano: basically updated daily
RambJoe: yeah i have it on apt
Azalyn: what i want is multiprocess tabs.
Kano: 3.6.4: 94 acid3
Azalyn: RambJoe: you are in linux, right?
Azalyn: you should take a screenshot with the tabs on top of the address bar, i'm curious to see what it looks like.
Kano: 3.7: 97
Kano: well it is a bit better
Kano: still no 100 like webkit or opera
Kano: if chrome would get rss bookmarks i might switch
Kano: its just too nice to have all news in rss bookmarks
RambJoe: yeah im on linux
RambJoe: i'll upload to tinypic
RambJoe: http://i48.tinypic.com/ouwpj7.png
RambJoe: would look better if i could hide the menubar, will work that out tomorrow
Kano: click on the a to see what is wrong
michaellarabel: Is phoronix.com loading fine?
Azalyn: it takes awhile for all the annoying bullshit ads to load, but yes. it loads as well as could be expected.
Azalyn: lolz, did i offend him?
DeathCrawler: Azalyn: I think not
TinNoBalls: i have a hat
Kano: michaellarabel: did you think about tesselation benchmarks linux+win?