Tazer: ;~; no release date?
Tazer: 15-17
MPX: donno
MPX: DOn't really care for e3 anymore
MPX: It aint like the nineties...
Tazer: but
Tazer: but steam
MPX: Oh look! Voxel technology!
MPX: Holy cow! 3D Models at 60 fps!
MPX: Things were alot more exciting back then
MPX: These days its halo, gears of war...blah blah
MPX: I doubt steam for linux will be announced
MPX: It seems surreal that they would announce it at an event that is mostly dedicated to windows and console games
Rednaxela: Yeah
Rednaxela: Thus why I'd expect them to announce it at something lower key
Rednaxela: Then a linux conference wouldn't make sense, because there would be 1) Too many stallmanites, 2) Too many non-gamers, 3) Simply attending would give too much away too early for their tastes
Rednaxela: Thus I expect it to not be at any sort of conference
MPX: I think they need more proof of it being profitable
MPX: Dumb really
MPX: They could make it profitable
Rednaxela: Eh
MPX: What I mean is
Rednaxela: "Proof"?
MPX: I think they need more proof of gaming on linux being more profitable
MPX: And thats why I think ideas like Humble indie game bundle is a good idea
Rednaxela: Mhmm
mikeplus64: Anything new?
mikeplus64: Oh, steamonlinux.com
mikeplus64: That explains it all.
mastertheknife: heh
mastertheknife: lol at the moderators in steam forums
mastertheknife: gave me 6 months infraction
LordHavoc: hmm?
mastertheknife: its their warning system
mastertheknife: 10 infractions = ban
mikeplus64: Why?
mastertheknife: for a post in the mac forums long time ago
mastertheknife: heh
mastertheknife: "Spam / useless post"
mastertheknife: I guess some moderators are mac users
mikeplus64: Okay.
mastertheknife: Whats better, WxWidgets or Qt4? Both seem not too difficult, but Qt4 requires running qmake and i'm not sure if its possible not to block app.exec()
Ivanovic: mastertheknife: from what i head wxwidgets are rather crude at times
Ivanovic: where qt4 is easy to use and powerful
mastertheknife: Ivanovic: But Qt4 is proprietary
Ivanovic: mastertheknife: HUH?!?
Ivanovic: mastertheknife: qt4 has three is available under various licenses
mikeplus64: qt4 is LGPL, no?
mastertheknife: Ivanovic: you have to pay if you make a non-free software
Ivanovic: that is: you got the proprietary one, an lgpl and a gpl version
Ivanovic: for the non free version you could easily use the one under lgppl
Ivanovic: sure, you need to dynamically link it, but does this really matter?
mastertheknife: Ivanovic: Interesting, didn't know about the lgpl version
NigeyUK: meep meep
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: hey :)
NigeyUK: dont suppose anyone else in here is using ubuntu 10.04 for telescope control? ..
NigeyUK: hey dude!!
mastertheknife: telescope O_o interesting
NigeyUK: yeah, it works really well to :D
mastertheknife: Ivanovic: One thing is for sure, Qt4 seems much easier than Win32 API which i programmed with in the past, so many createwindow() calls, huge message loops etc
mastertheknife: Ivanovic: and the dialog design tools at least the one i got installed here in KDE4 (Qt Designer) seems nice
NigeyUK: mastertheknife,
NigeyUK: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheNigeyUK
NigeyUK: check it out :D
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: you're 31? :)
NigeyUK: yuhuh :(
asraniel: mastertheknife: qt4 is totaly free to use, open source or closed source
NigeyUK: qt4 kicks ass
NigeyUK: :P
mastertheknife: asraniel: Yeah it added LGPL support recently (2009), didn't notice it xD
mastertheknife: asraniel: By the way, is there a way for app.exec() not to block ?
asraniel: jeah that was the big news back then :)
asraniel: mastertheknife: what do you want to do exactly? i mean, if it does not block it will go to the end of main and end the app, not?
mastertheknife: asraniel: hmm right
mastertheknife: asraniel: can be it be in a different thread then?
asraniel: mastertheknife: you want to put the app.exec in a different thread? usualy you put the other stuff you want to do in another thread. but i never really thought about that, never had that problem
mastertheknife: In windows i just made a GUI thread and made all window creation code and message loop there and used the main program's thread for doing what the program is supposed to do
mastertheknife: (Sync flight simulator's time at a specific interval)
asraniel: i see. jeah, then run another thread with the stuff you want to do outside the gui thread
asraniel: mastertheknife: but for advanced questions you can visit #qt and read the qt examples, they are quite good
NigeyUK: asraniel, are you using the new betas ?
NigeyUK: i couldnt get the webkit part to compile :/
asraniel: NigeyUK: no, still on 4.6, don't want to mess up my setup too much righ now. and kde trunk is still based on 4.6, so no need to hurry
NigeyUK: ahh oki
mastertheknife: asraniel: Also, all OOP seems scary
mastertheknife: its probably easier but i'm too used to C i guess
maligor: how is OOP scary?
maligor: I find it immensely convenient in most cases
mastertheknife: Yeah, im coming from C so it looks scary at first :)
asraniel: once you know what an object is, it's not scary anymore :) but much easier, especialy for gui stuff
mastertheknife: but could definitely save lots of code
JEEB: Also, more like C++ has way too many cats and dogs that you might want to limit. And before you've found enough information in yourself to limit yourself, I guess C++ is something rather... gigantic for people who come from a C background. But yeah, OOP can be a saviour :3
maligor: Qt uses MVC model quite a bit tho, infact I found Qt a bit hard to find out how to do stuff due to the MVC :P
mastertheknife: Here is my parts of my last program in Windows, if Windows API was OOP like Qt, the code would have probably been much shorter. in there, main.c does the main stuff and gui.c is contains a GUI thread: http://pastebin.com/XGb26ee0
maligor: like spending a hour trying to find out how to get selected items in a list widget
maligor: have to use the "selection model"
maligor: mastertheknife, my eyes! my eyes!
maligor: mastertheknife, writing something like that in Qt isn't practical
maligor: mostly because you have lots of hooks to stuff that don't exist in Qt itself :P
maligor: mastertheknife, what are you trying to do anyway?
mastertheknife: maligor: at the moment to learn
mastertheknife: maligor: and practise
maligor: Qt?
mastertheknife: Yeah, i never used it
maligor: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/shared.html <- is useful to kno
maligor: err.. know
maligor: aka, most qt data classes are copy-on-write
NigeyUK: anty :p
antpk: lo
NigeyUK: boo
Rednaxela: (Re WxWidgets mention above: I find WxWidgets often 1) Has version conflicts when trying to build programs using it, and 2) In some versions anyway was very crash-prone... almost made me give up on Audacity)
RambJoe: http://store.steampowered.com/news/3857/
RambJoe: -.-
kbios: RambJoe: "In an ideal world we would let you choose where the game content files are located, and in the long term that is a goal of ours, but due to architectural issues with our engine this is not as trivial as it may sound. "
kbios: RambJoe: wow, they work really hard :)
RambJoe: lol
Rednaxela: "architectural issues" = "we have code that does the same thing in 50 different places"
kbios: Rednaxela: most probably 500
Rednaxela: Or could also mean "various games have their expected path on the filesystem set at compile time", which would be pretty terrible
DonScott: I would guess it's the latter....I've seen a lot of games store stuff in the Documents folder that I didn't use steam for.....
Rednaxela: Hackish solution: Run each game in a chroot jail, with hard links giving it the filesystem it expects
Rednaxela: laughs
RambJoe: http://www.cnet.com.au/macbook-pro-vs-the-pc-competition-240062502.htm lulz
RambJoe: macs are pcs
RambJoe: actually you can remove the p from pc
kurros: macs put the p in pc
RambJoe: you cant really cusomize though
RambJoe: they just put an i infront to make it sound like its yours
s_20: RambJoe: having them build it for you is kind of the point
SageX: whats up guys
Rednaxela: Silence is up
kurros: mutes Rednaxela
Rednaxela: is unaffected
SageX: any java programmers here
GodofGrunts: Erm I have a little experience with Java.
SageX: in linux possibly?
GodofGrunts: Yeah that's all I use :P But Java should be the same anywhere
SageX: what compiler do you use
GodofGrunts: JDT Core component.
GodofGrunts: The one that comes with Eclipse
SageX: ok
SageX: thanks
GodofGrunts: No problem
Azalyn: s_20: what RambJoe meant earlier, i believe... is that the 'p' in 'pc' stands for 'personal'
Azalyn: where as macs aren't really very personalizeable.
Daekdroom: P should stand for problematic if it has a Windows OS.
Daekdroom: Nuffsaid.
Azalyn: although it's true that the context of 'personal' in 'pc' is different. after all, back then, computers were fucking expensive. so the meaning of 'personal' was that you could actually *have* a computer all to yourself.
Azalyn: as opposed to sharing one with a bunch of other users in a lab.
Azalyn: and it costing hundreds of thousands of dollars.
meGenius: http://opensource.com/business/10/5/show-me-money
Azalyn: but i would suggest that given the flexibility of modern PC's, maybe the meaning should be changed to mean the customizability.
GodofGrunts: Windows computer should be called LCs
GodofGrunts: For leased computers
GodofGrunts: which is all they are as far as the software is concerned.
SageX: game
s_20: Azalyn: the 'personal' stands for the fact that it is your own computer, it comes from times where having a computer of your own was unusual as the things were incredibly big
Azalyn: you're too late.
Azalyn: i already said that.
s_20: damit
s_20: sorry :(
Azalyn: you should know better than to tango with preemptive azalyn!
NigeyUK: bleh .. evening
s_20: Azalyn: yah well i didn't read your next line because i'm kinda busy right now and just wanted to reply
s_20: +to what you said to me
Azalyn: no excuses!
Azalyn: irc is serious business you know?
Daekdroom: Serious? I see..
SageX: srs business
Azalyn: y so srius?
mastertheknife: lol at altitude forums
mastertheknife: over 7 hours in mainatence
skyhirider: what? they too srs too?
skyhirider: ahh, probably got hammered during the free weekend
SageX: now_playing[Kohina - Capcom - Duck Tales - Moon Level - NES] length[15:05/0:00]
mastertheknife: nah they worked fine until today
SageX: ahh duck tales
skyhirider: perhaps they exceeded traffic or something similar
skyhirider: mmm, duck tales
mastertheknife: yeah exceeded traffic could be possible
SageX: lol
Tazer: Yoooo
mastertheknife: hi Tazer
Tazer: ~
mastertheknife: hmm.. is there a way to push all git revisions into a brand new svn ?
Tazer: I want it on record that Super Mario Galaxy 2's soundtrack rules
bittin: http://brokenstones.me/details.php?id=51043&hit=1 /me likes
SageX: lame
Zerb_Riss: I want to try a new distro but I can't find one that looks good
Zerb_Riss: I won't go Arch or Gentoo, they take too much time
The_Muh: Zeroedout: crux ;P
The_Muh: and... arch do not take much time... install and configuration takes 1 hour ... or less (if you have a fast connection)
Rednaxela: :)
The_Muh: maybe he thinks that arch is source-based like gentoo...
Rednaxela: Maybe...
Rednaxela: But more likely he think so due to how there isn't a default DE
Rednaxela: Of course, "pacman -S gnome" or "pacman -S kde" solves that pretty quick
Sir_Brizz: well
Sir_Brizz: maybe
Sir_Brizz: maybe I will try Arch in a VM and see if I like itr
The_Muh: pacman -S i3 firefox gajim geany ssh ario mpd mplayer pcmanfm <- nothing more i need
mastertheknife: Argh windows is so unstable
Sir_Brizz: how does Arch + KDE compare to Kubuntu?
mastertheknife: Sir_Brizz: I think its even better than kubuntu
giselher: mastertheknife: I thought you use gentoo :)
mastertheknife: giselher: I do.. for me, Gentoo + KDE4 is the real winner
mastertheknife: but he asked about arch :P
giselher: Sir_Brizz: You could try chakra
giselher: It's arch with default KDE
giselher: http://chakra-project.org/
Rednaxela: Comparing "Arche + KDE" to "Kubuntu" is kind of like comparing apples and oranges IMO. Except for the *occasional* ubuntu custom patch, and a couple other packages you need to manually install, the result would be similar really
Rednaxela: The main difference one would see is in how to deal with updates etc
Rednaxela: (which IMO is nicer in Arch, due to the rolling release system)
mastertheknife: Rednaxela: Its even possible to uninstall Gnome from Ubuntu and install KDE4
mastertheknife: this will get pretty much the same effect as Kubuntu
Rednaxela: Yep
Tazer1: Anyone here tried/succeeded at getting Osu! to work through wine? ;w;
Rednaxela: (though I would say the following: Absolute first thing I'd want in any Arch install, is Yaourt
giselher: btw; The new ubuntu theme reminds me of Mac OSX, but in black. Mac in Black :D
mastertheknife: I need to fix my XP install it seems.. sigh, return to winblows :( lol
Tazer1: As an OS X user
Tazer1: I seriously don't understand why people are comparing the two
giselher: Rednaxela: Yaourt is slow and bloated, try bauerbill, clyde or packer
Tazer1: Ubuntu is so much better and it really looks nothing very much like OS X
giselher: Tazer1: That was a joke :)
Rednaxela: giselher: Never heard of them before... I might try that... :)
Rednaxela: giselher: Thanks
giselher: Rednaxela: I use clyde, It is 3 times faster than yaourt
Tazer1: Ohh :P derp! sorry
giselher: Rednaxela: Every once in a while someone presents a new AUR Helper in the Community Forum: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewforum.php?id=27
Rednaxela: giselher: Personally, I kind of wish one would become more of less 'official' and included in the standard package tree :P
giselher: Rednaxela: That's impossible
Tazer1: ;w;
giselher: because AUR packages could be dangerous, no dev is allowed to add AUR Helper to a repo
mastertheknife: wow.. netbook's battery drain is real quick
Rednaxela: Yeah... true
giselher: btw; Bauerbill offers also ABS CPAN and Hackages support
Nevtus: pff, just download the tarballs from the AUR and use makepkg directly
mastertheknife: or my battery died
mastertheknife: hmm
mastertheknife: heh
mastertheknife: how to know if your laptop's battery dead?
Rednaxela: Tss, too much hassle Nevus. Also VERY easy to miss updates that way
giselher: Nevtus: If you it depends on a massive amounts of deps, I would not recommend it
giselher: If it*
Nevtus: uhh, makepkg checks dependencies
Nevtus: and no, my ~/build is huge and used often, it's easy and gives more control
giselher: also the deps which are located in the AUR
Nevtus: you install them in order
Rednaxela: Without such a wrapper, one would likely forget about updating a bunch of AUR packages one might have installed. No easy way to know what needs updating otherwise
giselher: Rednaxela: clyde is the only AUR Helper which is not a wrapper, It uses libalpm directly and not pacman :)
Rednaxela: giselher: Ahh :)
giselher: It is even faster than pacman and if libalpm gets split from the pacman packages, it could replace pacman
Nevtus: if you don't check when software you use gets updated, is arch really the distro you should be using?
mastertheknife: yum is really good
mastertheknife: I'm so glad the .rpm days for every distro are gone
Rednaxela: Nevtus: I check for many things, but sometimes there are old little things I have installed and haven't touched in forever, kinda nice to update those too
Nevtus: Rednaxela: how large is your pacman -Qm?
giselher: 37 :D
Rednaxela: 69
Rednaxela: :P
mastertheknife: gentoo users how big is your world file? :P
mastertheknife: (wc -l /var/lib/portage/world) mine is 82
giselher: my `pacman -Q | wc -l` is 812
Nevtus: 48. The software I used in there is up-to-date. There is probably quite a few things I can get rid of now that I look at it
Rednaxela: `pacman -Q | wc -l` is 1070 here
giselher: lol
mastertheknife: that probably includes dependencies
Rednaxela: Same, a fair number I could probably do without
Nevtus: 803 total
giselher: Rednaxela: do you know pacgraph?
Nevtus: I really need to clean up my system :P
Rednaxela: giselher: Nope
mastertheknife: equery list -i | wc -l returns 763 here
giselher: Rednaxela: It draws a image with all your packages
mastertheknife: (this is installed packages + dependencies)
Nevtus: having all these lib32 packages is such a pain
Rednaxela: giselher, Would be what I'd expect from the name :)
giselher: http://www.flickr.com/photos/qubodup/3486134021/sizes/o/
Rednaxela: Heh, I blame much of my package clog on having both gnome, xfce, and most of KDE installed
giselher: ^-- example of some random guy
Nevtus: why the need for three desktop enviroments?
giselher: I only have gnome, and still 812 packages
Rednaxela: Nevtus: Started out using Xfce, moved to Gnome but never got rid of the old Xfce stuff. Then the KDE stuff got dragged in with a couple KDE apps
Rednaxela: giselher, What's the size map to in pacgraph?
Nevtus: the only KDE app I've got installed is Umbrello, needed it for a uni project
giselher: Rednaxela: ??
Rednaxela: giselher, The side of different package names in pacgraph. What's that represent? The size used?
giselher: Rednaxela: Yes, the size of the packages and it deps (if there is only one packages it depends on)
Rednaxela: sees go-openoffice, amarok, and lyx, being among the very biggest
giselher: My pacgraph says, my installation si 5,5 GB big and the biggest packages is openoffice
Rednaxela: Netbeans, eclipse, xampp also up there
Rednaxela: 7.2 GB big here
giselher: <3 geany, only 3,3 MB big but the best out there
Nevtus: I really should swap eclipse for geany
Rednaxela: removes lyx and texlive-core to free a ton of space
giselher: I should also clean up my system, I have so many packages which I installed but never use
giselher: I could also drop geany, because vim is still the most flexible IDE
Nevtus: I'm usually a vim user but for large projects an IDE comes in handy
giselher: but sometimes a GUI IDE is so much more better to look at
Rednaxela: chuckles
giselher: Nevtus: I could also it for big projects, but I tend to forget the key combos for switching files and taglist :)
Rednaxela: For most things I prefer gedit or similar, using a IDE only for Java. Could never get used to the interfaces of emacs or vim...
Rednaxela: giselher: Clyde is indeed fast, liking it :)
giselher: Rednaxela: clyde --stats is one of the nicest features
Rednaxela: Ahh, very nice quick overview of things indeed
Rednaxela: (well, not quick in that, finding the real space used by things is not quick :))
giselher: It is not the top priority
Rednaxela: Interesting. 6894M in theoretical space, maps to 6338M of really used space
Rednaxela: Yeah, indeed not the top priority
giselher: and with clyde -G you can download the Taurball
giselher: the only thing it doesn't support is the --devel switch for git,svn,hg packages
Rednaxela: nods
giselher: :D
giselher: I have to go now, I hope you have fun with your new packages manager :)
Tazer1: Grub2
Tazer1: Finish working in Macs pleaaase
Milyardo: GRUB2 does work on Macs, just install the EFI version
Tazer1: Yeah, but it disables 3D acceleration
Tazer1: I'm just waiting for that to work and I'm good to go
Milyardo: If you have 3D disabled, its because of something else if your configuration, not GRUB2
Tazer1: No, apparently its a problem with Linux needing Bios to boot hardware information
Tazer1: or something like that
Milyardo: Is it a Mac with an Intel IGP?
Tazer1: Yeah
Tazer1: Macbook late 2008
Milyardo: Then that is indeed a bug with the Intel driver still has nothing to do with GRUB2
Tazer1: Oh really? O:
Tazer1: Fair enough
Milyardo: indeed Nvidia and ATi Macbooks still work just fine
Tazer1: It still generally falls to Grub2 developers to fix it, no? I mean, it's either them or....Macbooks
Tazer1: wait
Tazer1: wait a second
Tazer1: when you say IGP, you /don't/ mean the graphics card, right?
Milyardo: IGP = Integrated Graphics Processor
Milyardo: so yes, the graphics card
Tazer1: right
Tazer1: ...Well, my graphics card is an Nvidia GeForce 9400M
Tazer1: I guess I was wrong! O:
bkero: Are you booting directly from EFI or going through BIOS emulation?
bkero: The nVIdia stuff needs BIOS emulation in order to POST correctly.
Milyardo: make sure you have the proprietary nvidia driver installed then
Tazer1: I do, 3D accel works now
Tazer1: I'm just worried that booting Grub from EFI would break it
Tazer1: bkero: I use the standard rEFiT-> Grub2 boot
bkero: Pretty sure that it does.
Tazer1: does break it?
bkero: Tazer1: I think so, I'm using the built-in hold-the-option-key-down boot mechanism
Tazer1: yeah
Tazer1: rEFIt works fine and 3d acceleration does work though, so..
bkero: I seem to remember nVidia cards having problems initializing under straight EFI
bkero: I bet rEFIt is using BIOS emulation too
bkero: Well...it has to if you're using GRUB2. GRUB2 doesn't do EFI IIRC
Tazer1: yeah
Ivanovic: http://grub.enbug.org/TestingOnEFI
Ivanovic: there is grub with edi support!
xorl: Ivanovic, i've been using grub EFI for some time now
xorl: if you have ubuntu 10.04 (x86_64/i386) there are two grub-efi packages
xorl: amd64 or 386.
Ivanovic: got no board myself with efi
Ivanovic: was Tazer1 having the probs
xorl: bkero, but yeah, that EFI issue with grub is a problem.
Tazer1: I'm not having problems specifically, just looking for updates
xorl: bkero, I had it for a while so reverted back to rEFIt
xorl: damn video card wouldn't work
Tazer1: Because once GrubEFI can implement the hardware acceleration thing I'm switching
Tazer1: yeah that's all I'm waiting for
xorl: well, it would, just no accel
Tazer1: I only miss a few things about windows but now that I'm used to Linux I don't think I could survive not having compiz anymore ;w;
Tazer1: I am a whore for glitter
xorl: why depend on compiz?
Tazer1: Tazer1: I am a whore for glitter
xorl: :\
xorl: I am a whore for anti-glitter haha
Tazer: haha
xorl: my co-workers would enable compiz and i'd perminently block it in the apt repo's
Tazer: D:
Tazer: That's so cruel
Nevtus: eh, I got rid of all my eye candy, it's better having everything nice and quick + you can use resources for applications that you use that actually need it
xorl: they were too stupid to find the package blacklist haha
Tazer: why ;w;
xorl: Nevtus, exactly
xorl: Nevtus, I can't stand half the compiz'd out desktops I see
Tazer: My computer runs quick enough for me that I don't mind :P
Nevtus: yeah, they're just... common :P
xorl: Nevtus, common and anoyingly blingish
xorl: it's like platinum with diamond transparency makes my eyes bleed :\
Daekdroom: I'm currently running metacity using --composite
Daekdroom: It doesn't slow down anything I actually need...
Tazer: Tee hee c:
Tazer: Well, in the end that's the great thing about linux, isn't it?
Tazer: You can run it however you want
Azerthoth: compiz can be nice, a restrained use of emerald themes and desktop controls like ring switcher and middle button desktop rotate
Nevtus: it's cool that it gets new people into Linux but after a while a clean, snappy, minimalist (but not necessarily boring) desktop becomes the better choice :)
Azerthoth: productivity stuff vs holy batcrap bling
Daekdroom: I don't like compiz because it slows down fullscreen video playback :(
Daekdroom: I tried running E16 as window manager but I noticed I'd have to tweak too much stuff.
Daekdroom: Theme etc.
Azerthoth: heh, I just kick that over to a new X session
Nevtus: Tazer: and that's why Linux (and open systesm in general) are awesome. They're what you want them to be
Tazer: Yep
Nevtus: *open systems
Tazer: Some day I might outgrow bling
Tazer: I doubt it'll be any time soon though
Tazer: *draws a green fire dick over the irc*
Tazer: *has the sense of humor of a 12 year old*
Daekdroom: reminds Tazer of /me
Daekdroom: Has anyone tested E17 recently?
RambJoe: does fglrx officially support the new kernal yet
mastertheknife: kernal :P
Daekdroom: I don't think fglrx needs supported kernel, does it?
Tazer: C:
RambJoe: well it didn't install before lol i had to use this custom made sh file
RambJoe: did i say something wrong
RambJoe: kernel*
SageX: just smile and wave boys
SageX: puts the penguin back
mastertheknife: puts the pengiun in the oven to warm him up :X
SageX: lol
SageX: I actually threw one of these in the water and th frequency and pitch of the sound went up it was pretty funny
Daekdroom: Huh..
Daekdroom: I'm confused now..
Daekdroom: I forgot Ubuntu 10.04 codename xD
RambJoe: lucid lynx
Daekdroom: I wish E17 wasn't so immature :(
Galaxy|: new steam update
Galaxy|: about 1
Galaxy|: 0
Galaxy|: mi
Galaxy|: ns a
Galaxy|: go
Galaxy|: meh -_-
Galaxy|: stupd colloquy
Galaxy|: Operating System: osx
Galaxy|: Revision: 1274745680
Galaxy|: Operating System: win32
Galaxy|: Revision: 1274745679
Galaxy|: still no mention of the linux client :(
Gnurdux: yeah
Gnurdux: like
Gnurdux: i wish michaellarabel could say *something* about why he is so confident there will be one
kurros: he's been saying it for 3 years he just wants to be right finally :)
Varkk: It is like The Secret, if you want something enough the universe will deliver it to you
Galaxy|: I know people who took that philosophy to as extreme you can and got nothing but failure and disappointment
Galaxy|: they were worse than southern baptists in their belief and devoutness to said principle
Galaxy|: then they lost their house their jobs and almost the shirts off their backs
Tazer: The secret never claims to be magic
Tazer: I personally feel it's true but it's not "Hey stop working and doing anything ever! who cares~"
SageX: I dare you all not to talk
Tazer: beep
Azalyn: STEAM LINUX CONFIR-- oh, who gives a shit anymore.
Azalyn: sighs
Tazer: I give a shit
Tazer: I will always give shits
Tazer: Can't really lose interest until E3 dude
Tazer: There's no reason to expect anything until then
kurros: theres no reason to expect anything after then either
Tazer: True
Tazer: Valve can release information or whatever they want, soo
Azerthoth: or never
Tazer: Positivity~
Tazer: There's no reason for there to be a linux client you can get working if you're not going to release linux
Tazer: soo
kurros: they have a 1400 sq ft booth at E3... its going to be all Ubuntu computers running Portal 2
Tazer: haha awesome
Tazer: we can dream :D
Rednaxela: No reason to expect anything at E3, lol
kurros: what other possible reason could they have for rent a booth!
DeathCrawler: =/
Rednaxela: Interesting, Valve has stated that since the Mac release, over 11% of Portal downloads are for Mac
The_Muh: portal is awesome
kurros: especially on a mac
Rednaxela: I wonder how many linux sales there would be if/when it happens
DonScott: probably a lot more.....since linux is free.
Rednaxela: I'm not sure if a lot more. If the humble indie bundle is anything to go by, I'd guess on the same order of magnitude as the Mac numbers
DonScott: maybe
DonScott: but thats not too bad.
Tazer: I'm predicting an odd kind of sale on Linux
Tazer: Indie games will sell alot more
Tazer: Big fancy titles will probably not get as many sales
Tazer: But on the whole there will be enough profit to be advantageous
DonScott: Indie games support cross platform a lot more than most of the big developers/publishers too though.
Sir_Brizz: Mac numbers are skewed by dumb mac users that can't read the system requirements, and also the fact that 90% of Windows gamers has had Portal since this past christmas when it was like $2.50
Tazer: Not taking into account the period Portal spent being free
Rednaxela: I'm guessing the uniqueness of the game will count more than indie or not. Indie ones are often good in terms of that, but sometimes others (i.e. Portal) were also rather original
Sir_Brizz: also I'm sure there were some dumb people using Macs that ended up downloading it like 15 times
Sir_Brizz: :p
Tazer: it doesn't work that way with steam O-o
Sir_Brizz: also Portal has been free since the mac client came out until today
DonScott: yeah
Sir_Brizz: well their statement, iirc, said that 11% of downloads had been by Mac users
Tazer: Exactly then how does that affect game sale numbers at all
Tazer: oh downloads
Sir_Brizz: which is pretty pathetic if you consider that the game was free the entire period of time
Sir_Brizz: :)
Sir_Brizz: and that most windows gamers already owned the game and thus had no reason to redownload it
Rednaxela: It really makes sense how they made Portal free for download for this period of time. 1) It can be a "gateway drug" to those not previously into Steam, and 2) Gives and opportunity to see how many mac people will go for it when paying isn't needed
Sir_Brizz: yeah
Sir_Brizz: totally makes sense
Tazer: damnit
Tazer: anyone in here use cowsay by any chance?
Rednaxela: cowsay has a *use*? :)
Tazer: Besides being amusing and fun?
The_Muh: hey... anyone said "cow"?