tkmorris: Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed:
tkmorris: gabe@valve.com
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tkmorris: ?
tkmorris: oh right, wrond address
Galaxy|: gnewell@valve.com tkmorris
tkmorris: not gaben@valvesoftware.com ?
tkmorris: Galaxy|:
Galaxy|: try both
Galaxy|: whichever doesn't come back return failed
tkmorris: I'll try gaben@valvesoftware.com, if it comes back I'll try the other, maybe it's both xP
tkmorris: http://www.chatbear.com/unity2/9/298,1218766243,10387/1074141/0http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2
Galaxy|: no board specified.
tkmorris: odd
Wicked: its 2 links
Wicked: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2
tkmorris: http://www.chatbear.com/unity2/9/298,1218766243,10387/1074141/0
Wicked: http://www.chatbear.com/unity2/9/298,1218766243,10387/1074141/
Wicked: bah
tkmorris: nah bugs was in xclip xD
tkmorris: this mouse is sensitive
tkmorris: gotta be careful
tkmorris: sent again
Tazer: It's time
Tazer: to mintify my ubuntu
godofgrunts: I need to report a bug for the phoronix-test-suite. Where do I do that?
Lazy^: Heya, any clue who i could tunnel flash with putty. I'v tunnled my work-pc's browser to my home linux box with putty, but somehow if i want to watch some videos which are using flash i get bitching about regionality ?
markatto: Lazy^: sounds like the traffic itself is being tunneled fine
markatto: if you're using an ssh socks proxy, flash will tunnel no differently from html
Galaxy|: does anyone know of a way to get the output of a php script passed through a for loop in bash?
mastertheknife: Galaxy|: you can use php in CLI mode..
Galaxy|: i am
mastertheknife: Galaxy|: and it will output to console
Lazy^: markatto: yes tunnel is working nicely. I get my home ip / network radios are working, but one major site isnt working since somehow it sees trough my ssh/socks-proxy
Galaxy|: for instance in $(php script.php);do echo $instance;done where the php script is printing a number from 1 to infinity incrementally
Galaxy|: nothing occurs
Lazy^: markatto: do you know how i can configure flashplugin to use firefox proxy-settings or proxy ?
mastertheknife: Galaxy|: and when you do php script.php alone, it works?
Galaxy|: yeah it echos the strings i expect
Galaxy|: but for some reason i can't wrap it into a loop
Galaxy|: i want to work utilizing for to assign the variable instance to the strings produced by the php script
Galaxy|: i am thinking that the for loop may be waiting for php to output ALL the strings before it then goes and loops through
Galaxy|: so I may not be doing anything wrong except being impatient
mastertheknife: maybe
mastertheknife: Wow.. virtualdob 3.0 brings OpenGL and direct3d support
Tazer: virtualbox*?
mastertheknife: virtualbox* yeah
mastertheknife: didn't notice the typo
asraniel: mastertheknife: it already has that
mastertheknife: Seems like it was announced 1 year ago, seems like i missed it, lol
rsk: announced.. you mean confirmed :p
mastertheknife: I wonder how fast is the D3D
mastertheknife: maybe its faster than wine
DeathCrawler: lol i will compile the vp codec and see the... quality
DeathCrawler: *vp8
JEEB: DeathCrawler, did that for win32 some two or so days ago from the git :3
DeathCrawler: nah, im bored
DeathCrawler: LOL
JEEB: Still haven't tested it lol
JEEB: I wonder how much it will like to blur the sample I have on hand :3
DeathCrawler: <:3c
mastertheknife: this is really interesting if virtualbox's dx9 is faster than wine's
mastertheknife: but can't find anything on google so far
Fujk: what nvidia card is most safe to buy that is midrange and works for todays games... GTS 250 seems to have no driver support?
DeathCrawler: dont is
DeathCrawler: mastertheknife: The 3D support is weak yet
DeathCrawler: ♬ Luca Turilli - 5 The Miracle Of Life - The Infinite Wonders Of Creation (2:54/4:24 65%) Volume 100
mastertheknife: Oh
mastertheknife: It can be a really good alternative to dual booting
DeathCrawler: yes, in the future
mastertheknife: yeah
Fujk: should I get GTS 220 ?
DeathCrawler: but i want native programs and gaems
Fujk: GT*
DeathCrawler: weak Fujk
DeathCrawler: GTS250 is better
Fujk: but does it work in linux?
Fujk: i read someone had problems
DeathCrawler: really?
DeathCrawler: my 9800GT work well
DeathCrawler: but GTS250 is equal 9800GTX+
Fujk: lots of threads on ubuntu
DeathCrawler: :P
Fujk: compatible with 64-bit?
DeathCrawler: GTX260 then
DeathCrawler: yea
Fujk: you have compiz?
DeathCrawler: yes
DeathCrawler: but im using OpenBox with xcompmgr now
Wowi: mastertheknife: isn't virtualbox's directx the same implementation (WineD3D) that wine uses?
Fujk: a bit more expensive
DeathCrawler: yes =/
DeathCrawler: lol
Fujk: gts 250 can play good games?
DeathCrawler: yes
DeathCrawler: Gts250 have the best price for while
DeathCrawler: video[nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] @ Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 Host Bridge]
DeathCrawler: my 9800GT run good games
DeathCrawler: *can run
Fujk: it would suck ass to buy gts 250 and not get it to run flawlessly
rsk: ass-suckage. :/
DeathCrawler: lol
mastertheknife: Wowi: no idea
DeathCrawler: GTS250 is sufficient to run the most games.
DeathCrawler: i will sleep @.@
DeathCrawler: bye
DeathCrawler: headache is killing me
Fujk: anyone a hardware geek?
Fujk: http://pastebin.com/zuajhR8p
Fujk: good/shit ?
DeathCrawler: well
DeathCrawler: look the memory
DeathCrawler: Memory is 1600mhz
Fujk: you think its slow?
DeathCrawler: i5 chipset supports only 1333
Fujk: really
DeathCrawler: look in the manual of motherborad
Fujk: mobo supports 1600
Fujk: thats why i went with it
DeathCrawler: look the supported memos
DeathCrawler: and etc
Fujk: mobo: 2200/1600/1333/1066/800MHz
DeathCrawler: hum...
Fujk: are you sure i5 CPU does not work with 1600 mhz memory?
Fujk: that seeems odd?
DeathCrawler: Fujk: look in the compatible memories and check the compatibility
Fujk: I did thats what it says
DeathCrawler: in the site
Fujk: but I cant find anything about memory and CPU compatibility, just the motherboard
DeathCrawler: have some memories that dont work well
DeathCrawler: with some motherboards
DeathCrawler: Fujk: look in Gigabyte site
DeathCrawler: i will sleep now
DeathCrawler: bye
Fujk: its compatible
DeathCrawler: then ok
DeathCrawler: :>
DeathCrawler: bye again xD
Fujk: but not intel
Fujk: :P
thelinx: did anyone notice this: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=8601-RYPX-5789
thelinx: (Case Sensitive Filesystems not supported on Mac)
kurros: is OS X installed case insensitive by default?
mastertheknife: kurros: afaik yes
mastertheknife: thelinx: This is temporary, until they solve case sensitive issues
mastertheknife: thelinx: program not finding some of its files because the program wasn't coded with care about case sensitivity
mastertheknife: thelinx: This might be the reason mac support was first
kurros: oh geez
kurros: at least with NTFS you can set case sensitivity or insensitivity on a per folder or file basis ;)
mastertheknife: Yeah, but windows the OS itself is always case sensitive
mastertheknife: I mean
mastertheknife: always case insensitive*
mastertheknife: done compiling new kernel.. hope i didn't forget anything.. i always forget a driver or two when compiling the kernel
mastertheknife: not fun to reboot into the new kernel and notice sound or network missing or some other problems
Sleepy_Coder: Case insensitivity is retarded :p
mastertheknife: brb reboot
Sleepy_Coder: For password valdation and filesystems alike :p
mastertheknife: yeah
Sleepy_Coder: hides
mastertheknife: its also slower
Sleepy_Coder: I mean, in a simpler... innocent, naive even.. in that such world it might be preferable.
Kano: michaellarabel: did you see the new nv driver?
Kano: Host/Kernel/OS "Kanotix" running Linux 2.6.32-21-generic i686 [ Kanotix Excalibur 20090506-17:27 ]
Kano: CPU Info (1) Intel Core2 Duo E8400 @ clocked at [ 2999.000 MHz ]
Kano: (2) Intel Core2 Duo E8400 @ clocked at [ 2999.000 MHz ]
Kano: Videocard nVidia GT200 [GeForce GT 220] X.Org 1.4.2 [ 1920x1200 @60hz ]
Kano: Processes 172 | Uptime 33min | Memory 383.4/1977.5MB | HDD Size 1000GB (94%used) | GLX Renderer GeForce GT 220/PCI/SSE2 | GLX Version 3.3.0 NVIDIA 256.25 | Client Konversation 1.1 | Infobash v2.67.1
Kano: if somebody uses ebuild or so: it has a different structure
Kano: so manual changes requrired
Kano: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2255561
Sleepy_Coder: funkeh
JEEB: oh nice, 256
Sleepy_Coder: :}
r4_: eww 60hz refreshrate :P
r4_: 75hz has spoiled me
JEEB: LCDs don't have refresh rates at all :3
JEEB: But with CRTs yeah
JEEB: 60Hz is q_q
r4_: well whatever the 60Hz and 75Hz is in reference to....i prefer 75
r4_: 60 hurts my eyes and is horrible for games
JEEB: refresh rate is the rate at which the screen will update the screen -- and with CRT monitors it actually had some meaning
JEEB: With LCDs the speed is only dependant on how quickly stuff can go on/off and rotate to diff. colors :3
r4_: ok i can understand that
r4_: then what does it mean when talking about LCD
JEEB: it's just a leftover setting
r4_: how fast that stuff goes on?
Ivanovic: it mainly does mean how the data is transmitted
Ivanovic: you transmit complete "screens"
JEEB: well, yeah -- I guess it can mean how quickly you send it new info
Ivanovic: for lcds it means how often per second a complete screen is sent
JEEB: ok :3
mastertheknife: LCD 60Hz is cool
Ivanovic: okay, it means the same for crts, but there it is a lot more relevant since always the complete screen is replaced
Ivanovic: no need to do so for lcd
r4_: Ivanovic: are you knowledgable of displays in general? ive got a question of opinion for you if so.
Ivanovic: r4_: you could ask and anyone in here who thinks knows a good/correct answer will/might answer
mastertheknife: The reason you see flickering with CRTs is because the pixels fade, so when new pixels show up, you will see a flicker. in LCDs pixels don't fade
r4_: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panasonic+-+VIERA+42%22+Class+/+1080p+/+600Hz+/+Plasma+HDTV/9761068.p?id=1218168619373&skuId=9761068&st=42s2&cp=1&lp=1 <-----what do you think of this TV (i plan to play movies/games on it as well as treat it as a PC monitor)
mastertheknife: r4_: Keep in mind that TVs have higher input lag than PC monitors
r4_: it wont be for gaming
r4_: in terms of PC games
Ivanovic: honestly i would not use a tv as normal display
Ivanovic: reason: you have to sit rather far away from it, not the classical working distance
r4_: for PC use it will mostly to watch videos
r4_: oh it wont be for work :P
Ivanovic: (and in general plasma screens need lots of energy compared to lcds of the same size)
mastertheknife: Yeah my brother did and quickly regretted, its just not comfortable and doesn't look as good as PC monitor because of the view distance and small resolution
r4_: pretty much for minor web browsing, music selection, video selection
r4_: hrm
r4_: well it will be used as a real TV regardless of this
r4_: so from that stand point...i think it might be OK
mastertheknife: Kano: thanks for the link, this is interesting, nvidia definitely cares about us linux users
r4_: mastertheknife: thats good to know :)
Ivanovic: r4_: the problem with the plasma is the energy usage, it takes about 275W where eg the (rather old by current standards) 40" tv that i got here (a sony 40W4000) uses 175W
r4_: ah
r4_: hrm
Ivanovic: (yes, those are max values, but IMO rather significant)
r4_: time to look look at some LCDs as well
r4_: see if i can find something comparable
r4_: or better for the same price
Ivanovic: wow, a review at amazon.de say that energy usage in standby is *really* bad
Ivanovic: almost 30W
Ivanovic: max power usage while watching something was 246W, average around 120W while using the PS3 or watching a movie
r4_: this one doesnt look too bad...http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+40%22+Class+/+1080p+/+120Hz+/+LCD+HDTV/9791235.p?id=1218175543621&skuId=9791235
Fujk: anyone run GTS 250 with no probs?
Kano: well i use a g92 card, but not the gts 250
mastertheknife: I'm playing altitude.. fun game it seems
mastertheknife: its animated
mastertheknife: but fun
Sleepy_Coder: Is it really...
Sleepy_Coder: has been debating on whether he should install it
Sleepy_Coder: I hate those times when you build up how hard/tedious something will be for weeks and weeks
Sleepy_Coder: I had a project like that... but then I had to explain/tutor it to a friend, and it was unbelievably easy.
Sleepy_Coder: It seems a lot of things are easy if I have to teach them to others :\
Sleepy_Coder: Context is everything. -.-
Sleepy_Coder: Next Friday is the end of term for me. :p I get books for Psych, Music, Pre-Cal (don't laugh I know I'm taking the easy route), and network hardware app
Sleepy_Coder: But for 2 months I get to entirely submit myself to Linux :p
Sleepy_Coder: Going to be fun. Can't wait. Probably said it in here before.
mastertheknife: Yeah lets play if you want
mastertheknife: it runs great.. its animated after all
Sleepy_Coder: installs
Sleepy_Coder: Going to take 10 mins or so. :(
giselher|afk: played only 100 min Portal and I am already in the last level, I hope portal 2 is more difficult
giselher: btw, any news about steam?
Sleepy_Coder: hmm fun game
Sleepy_Coder: It's games like these that really make me question why I bought such an overpowered and arguably inefficient graphics card.
mastertheknife: do the training its easy levelling
Sleepy_Coder: "It gets me hot before it gets hot. Yay nvidia!"
RambJoe: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1278854 agree to that please
monreal: giselher: go play the challenge maps :)
Sleepy_Coder: mastertheknife: I like how the clouds move in the background, with the closer ones moving past faster than the ones in the distance. Also that the plane is 3-dimensional and has a transparent hull. It also seems like you cannot climb in altitude at a constant speed, which feels very accurate to me. This game speaks of a fair bit of polish.
Sleepy_Coder: RambJoe: I would agree if I could reply without registering for Yet Another Forum
Sleepy_Coder: oops. sorry.
Sleepy_Coder: RambJoe: I would agree if I could reply without registering for Yet Another Fucking Forum
Sleepy_Coder: hides
RambJoe: lol ok
Sleepy_Coder: :p
RambJoe: beta is so empty and full of hackers
Sleepy_Coder: Some people just don't know how to create an open medium to get accurate feedback.
Sleepy_Coder: F U Valve, F... U...
Sleepy_Coder: You are in the beta? :p
Sleepy_Coder: Are there Narwhales?
RambJoe: haven't seen any lol
Sleepy_Coder: FEATURE REQUEST
Sleepy_Coder: is interested to see what CS:S looks like on the newer Source engine
RambJoe: it has better smoke
Sleepy_Coder: f yeah better smoke
mattgirv: Sleepy_Coder: Better hit detection by far.
Sleepy_Coder: mattgirv: Don't taunt me bro
mattgirv: :D
Sleepy_Coder: A fair CS:S? :o
mattgirv: Cmon, you know how much the hitboxes liked to dance around before :p
Sleepy_Coder: Do the weapons look any different? Not like the barrels continue into forever?
RambJoe: yeah you cna't just shoot random headshots while shooting at feet
mattgirv: It's probably more akin to how 1.6 was now.
Sleepy_Coder: I wish they looked more like L4D2
RambJoe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2lBIw9ctLofucked aspect ratio
RambJoe: valve say its still in beta and will change a lot
mattgirv: Sleepy_Coder: They should implement the right click melee into CSS, heh.
Sleepy_Coder: I might actually play CS:S again.
Sleepy_Coder: Melee with a knife would be so cash.
RambJoe: css beta > 1.6 i think
RambJoe: but i haven't played 1.6 in over a month
Sleepy_Coder: I got tired of the "Everybody is a Terrorist" mentality though
Sleepy_Coder: For obvious reasons after 9/11.
Sleepy_Coder: I really loved the servers where you could build up kills to upgrade to a new weapon
mattgirv: Ah the gun mod ones?
RambJoe: i want them to make other guns better so its not all just m4a1 and ak
Sleepy_Coder: Kill one you get a better pistol, kill 5 you get a shotgun, etc...
RambJoe: gungame
Sleepy_Coder: Aww, weapons still look silly and far-out.
mattgirv: My problem with 'CS Source' as it is, is it is pretty much dead for public games. 98% of the servers run de_dust only :(
RambJoe: you can use your own weapon skins though
mattgirv: Hopefully the beta will revitalise the community.
Sleepy_Coder: de_dust is so over. :(
Sleepy_Coder: I was freaking ragey when they ported that to UT2004.
Sleepy_Coder: That's all they played for a month :\
Sleepy_Coder: On the Assault server I played on average...
RambJoe: i know what css beta needs
RambJoe: linux
Sleepy_Coder: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1278543 Resisting the urge to yell LOL FEMINIST
RambJoe: well then where is my sandwich?
Sleepy_Coder: :D
RambJoe: LOL
Sleepy_Coder: I just wish all the CS:S weapons were added to L4D2
Sleepy_Coder: Games that are based on even slightly augmented reality should inherit CS:S weapons.
Sleepy_Coder: :p
mattgirv: Sleepy_Coder: All of them though?
Sleepy_Coder: YES.
mattgirv: I mean they have the good ones already :p
RambJoe: i never knew they had women in swat etc
Sleepy_Coder: God it takes too long to wait for Valve employees to push out only 2 new weapons.
Sleepy_Coder: Nothing justifies how little was added with The Passing
mattgirv: RambJoe: http://www2.2space.net/images/upl_newsImage/1205881333.jpg
mattgirv: :p
Sleepy_Coder: the only part of that new campaign I particularly enjoyed was the sewer and the long stairwell upward to the saferoom of the 2nd round where you could camp and shoot an endless horde
RambJoe: lol what are they weaking on heads
mattgirv: RambJoe: Dunno, Yemeni CT forces apparently..
RambJoe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xieo5ULc5SE like 48 seconds
mattgirv: They should add TF2 style hats to CS:S heh
Sleepy_Coder: I wish they would expand on Garry's Mod so bad.
Sleepy_Coder: Everything always seems to break in that game. Most of the modders clearly do not know how to write Lua.
mattgirv: Well online it has been pretty much decimated.
Sleepy_Coder: TF2 is one epic troll. :(
mattgirv: The sheer amount of mods, I'd be damned if I'm downloading 5000 files just to play on a server for an hour.
Sleepy_Coder: I used to love it entirely until they added all the weird extra class weapons.
Sleepy_Coder: They updates were almost very cool until they added things like The Flare Gun
Sleepy_Coder: Very fun to use but it seems to hone in on hit boxes all too easily.
Sleepy_Coder: And then things like the idiotic sword for the demoman
Modplan: DON'T BADMOUTH FLARE GUN FLARE GUN IS FRIEND
skyhirider: Flare Gun is amazing, do not touch my Flare Gun!
Sleepy_Coder: That update wasn't even per class, it was in reference to his heritage.
mattgirv: Heh, I don't have a problem with any of the new weapons. My main problem is only the fact that when a new class has weapons/tweaks released that you end up with a game full of those classes.
Sleepy_Coder: "one of these things is not like the other..."
skyhirider: haha, well said Modplan :D
Sleepy_Coder: Flare guns do wayyy too much damage on impact.
mattgirv: Only 45
mattgirv: or something like that
Modplan: it's been modified several times since it's been added
Modplan: a few of the weapons have been
Sleepy_Coder: I liked that it gave the Pyro a long-range weapon it desperately needed, but it does a ton of damage on impact and sets on you fire :\
skyhirider: nah, at least the updates are more calm now, they are also silent so if you don't watch unnoficial news you don't know they exist
Sleepy_Coder: Didn't they even up the damage of the standard flamethrower this week?
skyhirider: 30 dmg base, 41 minicrit and 90 crit
Sleepy_Coder: I think it completely nerfs the Scout.
skyhirider: yes, after downing it quite a bit
Sleepy_Coder: Especially on those itsy bitsy official maps.
mattgirv: Scout has that stupid drink thing though.
skyhirider: scout can two shot 8/9 classes mate
Sleepy_Coder: Hmm I've never been a fan of the drink.
Modplan: the drink is good to distract enemy and sentries
skyhirider: it has its uses, thou the update kinda spolied bonk
Sleepy_Coder: I have rarely been able to kill someone with an accurate shot as scout. :\
Sleepy_Coder: I don't think I'm entirely bad either.
Modplan: play mario kart. Scout owns that map
skyhirider: well, 104 point blank damage is a nice number
Sleepy_Coder: Maybe it's laggy servers or low fps setting, but Scout is weak :(
skyhirider: hah, saw that madness once, had enough
Sleepy_Coder: On CTF-Doublecross I own as Scout
skyhirider: laggy servers + lag compensation
jumbers: Modplan: Just don't hit the ¿
Sleepy_Coder: I can literally jump the entire map in 2 doublejumps
skyhirider: meh, its 2fort v2.0
Sleepy_Coder: + knockback from force of nature, of course
Sleepy_Coder: I like it :p
Sleepy_Coder: It's dark, has a lovely network of levels, and a lot of people are idiots on the bridge :p
skyhirider: fan is good for its mobility, but otherwise its hard to properly use
Modplan: i like using the baseball
Modplan: watching them run after being hit is funny
skyhirider: should change the sandman to have the same drawback as the pain train
Sleepy_Coder: I hate how the Hunter's double-jump in L4D2 isn't really seen all that often, or severe 25-damage skyscraper pounces aren't all that common
Sleepy_Coder: Small maps with even smaller buildings.
jumbers: Works great in the Atrium of the mall
Sleepy_Coder: A few places are possible, mostly the Mall Atrium, but the Hunter doesn't see much skydiving action anymore :(
Sleepy_Coder: I love the Magnum.
jumbers: I don't blame them, skydiving is scary
Sleepy_Coder: I was a huge melee spammer with the machete for a while, but I am so very accurate with the Magnum.
Sleepy_Coder: The infinite ammo of pistols makes it such a close friend.
jumbers: The katana > Any pistol
Sleepy_Coder: I usually pair it with the grenade launcher if possible, or a sniper rifle for even more accuracy to save a friend.
Sleepy_Coder: The weapons that can hit the fastest in L4D2 is the Tonfa (nightstick), I choose the machete because sometimes the Tonfa takes two hits to down an uncommon infected
Sleepy_Coder: Tonfa can down a tank faster though
Sleepy_Coder: Whereas Machete actually cuts uncommon infected..., tonfa falls short unless you beat them fast enough
mastertheknife: hey.. you're playing altitude?
jumbers: Katana takes down most in 1 hit
Sleepy_Coder: Katana seems to take longer to swing though :(
Sleepy_Coder: mastertheknife: I killed it to update Steam to the beta :x
jumbers: It also can take out like 5 common in 1 swing
Sleepy_Coder: So can machete >8|
jumbers: Nah, the katana has a bigger reach
Sleepy_Coder: You know what else has a bigger reach?
Sleepy_Coder: The International Space Station.
Sleepy_Coder: Okay I'm bored.
Sleepy_Coder: Steam is taking forever to update.
Sleepy_Coder: I think the mutations are stupid gimmicks to bring attention to a game losing it's charm.
Sleepy_Coder: Realism Versus was a joke, that's something that should have been possible from the start.
mattgirv: Sleepy_Coder: I dunno, I think they should have had the mutations in the first place.
mattgirv: Sleepy_Coder: You can't expect the same modes on the same levels, to have everlasting replayability.
Sleepy_Coder: Realism or ailing health throughout the match and no medkits, choosing what uncommon infected spawn, difficulty.. .all these things if it were not put out by Valve, would have been configurable in the lobby
Sleepy_Coder: I mean, if any other company had made L4D2, we would have seen more choice.
ChemBro: like activision?
Sleepy_Coder: I detecting the fragrant scent of something ....troll :p
ChemBro: :P
ChemBro: (damn)
Sleepy_Coder: It's just, we could spend a day thinking about all the things that should be in L4D2
Sleepy_Coder: The only novel thing they came up with that hasn't been exhibited by a decade+ of seasonal sellers is the melee weapons.
mattgirv: Sleepy_Coder: Look at L4D dammit. That had 1/4 of the things that are in L4D2
Sleepy_Coder: L4D1 still has the larger modding community, too
Sleepy_Coder: It's all just strange.
mattgirv: Sleepy_Coder: Probably because 99% of maps are forwards compatible but not backwards compatible.
Sleepy_Coder: Probably because L4D1 was the right game at the right time, L4D2 while showing considerable polish is just another sequel with a few good ideas and a dev team begging for inspiration.
Sleepy_Coder: Okay, maybe I'm pissed off unjustifiably :p
mattgirv: Sounds it.. :p
Sleepy_Coder: Things like Realism Versus is not something you should be testing for popularity.
mattgirv: I don't think anyone was happy about the sequel coming out so quickly, but I think the anger had more to do with fans not thinking Valve would 'ever hurt them like that'.
Sleepy_Coder: It's an obvious desirable and I'm tired of seeing minor additions to this game when people have been talking about these things since L4D1
Sleepy_Coder: Whoop-dee-doo a golf club, an M60, and a freakin Bride Witch. Yeah that explains 6 months of waiting.
Sleepy_Coder: Grr.
Sleepy_Coder: I really loved the sewer, I commend them on that portion of the campaign.
mattgirv: Heh, you honestly weren't 'waiting' for 6 months, just for The Passing? No wonder you're pissed.
Sleepy_Coder: I wish they had instead expanded on how all this happened and made a prequel :p
Sleepy_Coder: I was waiting for a campaign longer than 3 rounds :p
mattgirv: I can't imagine how pissed off you were waiting for that lighthouse level on L4D1 for 7 months.
mattgirv: :D
jumbers: How it happened could be explained with an intro movie\
Sleepy_Coder: valve is an epic troll and we're hanging on their every word :(
mattgirv: Meh, in fairness I got at least 30 hours out of L4D1, and probably more out of L4D2.
mattgirv: That for me is good value for money, however you end up looking at it.
mastertheknife: anyone wanna play altitude?
Sleepy_Coder: L4D2 really made me start paying attention to the weapons. I loved the models and animations to go with. I probably only started learning the names though because I saw some of the same weapons in games like Modern Warfare 2
Sleepy_Coder: Looked so much less "CounterStrikey"
Sleepy_Coder: Weapons being independant of the viewing angle, that is :p
RambJoe: i hate the L4D2 menu
Sleepy_Coder: I hate that it doesn't have a proper server browser for those that don't know about `openserverbrowser'
mattgirv: Sleepy_Coder: Heh maybe I am just old. I remember thinking how realistic Doom weapons looked 'woah, they look like photos'
Sleepy_Coder: The servers located near you are never quite close enough.
Sleepy_Coder: lol mattgirv
Sleepy_Coder: I live the 8-bit life myself sometimes :p
Sleepy_Coder: I wish L4D2 had a TF2-style server browser, like what is available with `openserverbrowser', I hate all the match-making nonsense.
RambJoe: " - If you plant the bomb, then start running, you run crouched and players can’t hit you easily (looks very bad)"
RambJoe: css beta has the tf2 browser
Sleepy_Coder: I never have my friends create a lobby and start a game, we always join empty lagless servers instead and vote to the right campaign.
mattgirv: And when 3D acceleration came around, and textures started to appear smooth instead of blocky, I really wondered how on earth they could make it look any better :p
ChemBro: 8-bit left 4 dead? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lFkXFqHc9E
Sleepy_Coder: That is amazing XD
skyhirider: I wish TF2 had some native matchmaking system
ChemBro: ^_^
Sleepy_Coder: Just needs voice-chat :p
mattgirv: Did anyone ever play 'Zombies Ate My Neighborhood'?
Sleepy_Coder: I wish TF2 prophunt became an actual gametype
ChemBro: neighbours
mattgirv: er
Sleepy_Coder: It works so well
mattgirv: yeah whoops
mattgirv: That game was bloody amazing.
Sleepy_Coder: PropHunt is amazingly fun, it just needs some fine-tuning so you don't get a randomly ostentatious prop
ChemBro: the "remake" is called "zombies", or something
ChemBro: dunno
Sleepy_Coder: What's weird is I would actually play a game like that 8-bit L4D1
Sleepy_Coder: The retro-yness of it makes it oddly appealing in its simplicity.
Sleepy_Coder: I would add a proper multiplier and maybe voice chat, it could become a lovely 5-dollar minigame.
Sleepy_Coder: The artwork is great :p
ChemBro: :-D
Sleepy_Coder: Darn, was hoping they would show a tank.
Sleepy_Coder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1uVi41I1oc&feature=related If you haven't seen it.
The_Muh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtIx0dRoM9g&feature=related awesome
christian_lappy: .....s....t....e.....a...m.... now ! damn it
Sleepy_Coder: lol
mikeplus64: Patience, young one.
mikeplus64: Then again...
mikeplus64: HYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPE
mikeplus64: :D
mikeplus64: :D
Sleepy_Coder: the more patience.
Sleepy_Coder: And possibly an anesthetic.
mikeplus64: Don't interrupt my hyping!
Sleepy_Coder: starts a rave
Sleepy_Coder: ææææææææææææææææ HYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPE ææææææææææææææææ
Sleepy_Coder: Feel better?
christian_lappy: mikeplus64: :-)
christian_lappy: hehe
christian_lappy: anyone knows when the dinosaur game powered by uningine goes into beta testing ?
The_Muh: lets start our own steam-like-selling-plattform
Nevtus: so Valve announced Steam for Mac on March 8, 2010 and released it on May 12, 2010. Given the end of summer rumour for the release we are due an annoucement!
Sleepy_Coder: When is the end of summer again?
christian_lappy: eng of august ?
Sleepy_Coder: Sigh...
Nevtus: around that time yeah
Nevtus: we've already waited years, it's only a few more months (hopefully)
christian_lappy: *hopefully*
Sleepy_Coder: That's so what she said.
Nevtus: **maybe**
christian_lappy: i still dont get the sense of announcing this via telegraph
christian_lappy: but thta has been talked about a million times already
Nevtus: it is very weird
Sleepy_Coder: I doubt the Telegraph thing is for real. It might have some faint tether to an actual valve employee, but I bet it's nowhere official. Just a happy thought originating from behind closed doors.
Sleepy_Coder: The client is definite, but the announcement was probably false.
christian_lappy: regarding to them, info was from valve
christian_lappy: but who knwos
Nevtus: by this point if it weren't possible Valve would have asked them to remove it
Sleepy_Coder: So all the citations said :p
Nevtus: newspapers have done retractions before
christian_lappy: is the telegraph a serious newsletter btw ?
christian_lappy: s/letter/paper/
Nevtus: yeah, it's a broadsheet in the UK
Sleepy_Coder: Tbh, Valve gains even more attention by not quieting rumors if they aren't ready to officially endorse something.
Nevtus: one of the larger ones
christian_lappy: so not like the sun or something that way
mikeplus64: Remember mastertheknife said that he was in contact with someone close to Valve who said that they were going to wait a bit longer to announce Linux support? Perhaps that's true.
Sleepy_Coder: By not having them remove it, if it wasn't official, they still gain hype.
christian_lappy: hype is great
Sleepy_Coder: nou
christian_lappy: anyway. michael is super duper silent for weeks now
Sleepy_Coder: Maybe he's molting.
christian_lappy: their servers will burst on linux release day ;-)
Sleepy_Coder: moulting*
christian_lappy: Sleepy_Coder: or beta testing ;-)
mikeplus64: I would imagine even people completely uninteresting in Steam and getting games for it who run Linux would download it anyway, just because they are curious ( and I would imagine that's a trait many Linux users share )
Sleepy_Coder: Or secretly a Valve double-agent, letting the hype stew over until the final moment where he adds to our climax by hosting the Linux client on phoronix
Sleepy_Coder: etc.
christian_lappy: if its not yet released in sept i will drive to octoberfest and slap him with a brezl ;-)
Sleepy_Coder: is dat sum crazy Christian magic?
Sleepy_Coder: What is a brezl?
christian_lappy: haha
christian_lappy: brezn
Sleepy_Coder: What is a brezn? :p
christian_lappy: wait
christian_lappy: pretzel
Sleepy_Coder: .
mikeplus64: Pretzel is the weapon of choice.
Nevtus: mikeplus64: when did mastertheknife say that?
Sleepy_Coder: I'm moving off-planet; must get away from these illiterate buffoons.
Sleepy_Coder: hides
mikeplus64: Nevtus: One moment whilst I go around the logs...
christian_lappy: its more fair than slapping with a stein ;-)
Sleepy_Coder: stein == barbie?
Sleepy_Coder: It's a completely logical misspelling you know.
christian_lappy: stein != barbie
Sleepy_Coder: Hmm, I know I'm close.
christian_lappy: lol
christian_lappy: stein is an english word :-)
christian_lappy: dict says so
Sleepy_Coder: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5813090041147565441# So gross, so cool, so gross and cool...
Sleepy_Coder: I want it as a screensaver.
christian_lappy: ihhhh
Sleepy_Coder: I bet everyone has seen that in super-fast gif mode.
mikeplus64: Ugh this log is sooooo long.
christian_lappy: mikeplus64: irc log or what ?
mikeplus64: Ask mastertheknife I suppose.
mikeplus64: The IRC log yeah.
christian_lappy: is it a plain text file or what ?
Nevtus: you don't keep an irc log christian_lappy?
mikeplus64: Yeah, a plain text file.
Sleepy_Coder: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5813090041147565441#docid=8373096441669120894 I would so smack the horse.
mikeplus64: Do you want me to upload it somewhere?
Nevtus: nah, just the line mastertheknife said in here
mikeplus64: I can't find it. There are so many. :\
Nevtus: probably easier to just wait till he's around again
mikeplus64: Okay.
Nevtus: Sleepy_Coder: poor kitty
christian_lappy: Nevtus: no, i don't
christian_lappy: Nevtus: i'm not 100% onlin
The_Muh: 's irc-client runs since the 14.4 =)
mastertheknife: hi..
mastertheknife: sorry was playing altitude.. addicting game xD
mastertheknife: regarding what i heard, its from someone who has a connection to valve.. he said they are probably waiting to see how the mac client pans out before rolling a linux one
mastertheknife: and the linux client was proof of concept
mastertheknife: but if they made the file forbidden, i have a feeling they are working on the client :)
CME: first they need to fix the problem with case-sensitive file systems :o
mastertheknife: that shouldnt be hard to do
mastertheknife: but even if they announce, i wonder if linux will also be a tier1 platform
mikeplus64: That sounds sort of like just an error they might make because they are more familiar with working with Windows and simply overlooked it.
mikeplus64: *the case-sensitive file system thing*
mikeplus64: Maybe I'm wrong, though.
mastertheknife: they overlooked many things
CME: mhm intresting, the i915 gallium3d driver works with wined3d much better than the classic mesa driver
Daekdroom: I thought i915 gallium driver wasn't much better than mesa..
Nevtus: silly video reviews aside, I'd say the mac client was a success
Nevtus: looks good for a linux client then :)
CME: with classic mesa i have no textures with wined3d + shaders, i915g is fine
The_Muh: "steam was a triumph... gabe is making a note here: huge success" *sing*
RambJoe: steam news?
The_Muh: nope
michaellarabel: Anyone here going to LinuxTag?
Gnurdux: Nevtus, it looks good? Valve still has said *nothing* :(
Gnurdux: it's quite frustrating that they told some people and had them publicize it but won't officially announce it
Nevtus: Gnurdux: that is good. They'd have just denied it publicly by now and told all those news sites to stop spreading lies
Gnurdux: i don't know about that
Nevtus: I was saying it looks good because it's been hinted that if the mac client does well, a linux client is more likely
Gnurdux: oh
Gnurdux: fair 'nuff
Gnurdux: i wonder why they pulled down the public link
RambJoe: probably playing with us
mastertheknife: No.. probably to work on the client without others seeing
asraniel: jeah, because they know that if they did not, you would have daily updates on phoronix with screenshots. and companies never want work in progress screenshots
RambJoe: lol
mastertheknife: heh
mastertheknife: anyone wanna play some altitude ?
mastertheknife: cool game
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: hey.. you got altitude ? :)
NigeyUK: boo, nope not yet :/
mastertheknife: oh
mastertheknife: fun simple 2d game
NigeyUK: oo ill check it out :D
mastertheknife: I played it for few hours today and got hooked and because of its 50% discount until monday i bought it.. figured $4.99 is cheap for a simple fun game
NigeyUK: ahhh, ill prolly grab it later then, been busy in the garden again all day :( if i see another bag of cement or top soil i'm going to scream!
maligor: mm.. was looking at the openpandora order line estimates, I think i'm in the first 250
NigeyUK: how much are they ?
maligor: expensive
maligor: not really sure what the price for next batch is
NigeyUK: dam :/ looks cool though
maligor: somewhere around 300
maligor: above rather than below 300
maligor: it's behind schedule by about... 2 years :P
NigeyUK: oo ouch, still, looks a funky gadget!
maligor: yeah, they're starting to ship them next week... finally
maligor: not that I was ever particularly surprised it got delayed so much, it's basically just a bunch of guys :P
maligor: with no prior experience in manufacturing I think
maligor: not on that scale anyway
maligor: http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa99/MWeston_2007/?action=view¤t=DSC01715.jpg
maligor: the picture on the webpage is a render
kloplop321: why is steam_client_linux 403-ing :(
Rednaxela: kloplop321, Because they've likely blocked it except from within their own internal network. It's been like that for a number of days
kloplop321: aw.
Tazer: Woah
Tazer: I didn't realize Grub2 was pretty :U
Rednaxela: Better than 404 kloplop321 :P
kloplop321: indeed.
Nevtus: kloplop321: 403 is a good sign, it is still there yet no longer public
RambJoe: lack of news = killing me
Tazer: ^this
Nevtus: I'd be happy if all they said was just "It's happening"
midget_3111: Yup, same
Tazer: We all would be
RambJoe: yeah
RambJoe: why do they keep everything so secret :(
Tazer: But then again, there were hints dropped for OS X for a couple of months
Tazer: and they announced it like a month before?
Tazer: We could be waiting awhile, Valve likes to torture them slow
Tazer: <3
Tazer: Argh damnit
RambJoe: lol valve always gives out hints on purpose
Tazer: Does Grub2 work on EFI yet, guys?
Nevtus: a couple of months *before* the release
Tazer: Right.
Tazer: Just like what's happening now.
Nevtus: that does fit with the end of summer thing, but does the discovery of that link count as a hint?
Tazer: To us, yes.
Tazer: A more average user probably wouldn't know what to make of it, though
Tazer: So it isn't a hint Valve expressly made for us. Unless they're really more clever than I thought
midget_3111: I would have thought that valve would have dropped something more obvious for the average user
Nevtus: most average users wouldn't be messing around with urls
Nevtus: midget_3111: same
Rednaxela: Does fit with the end of summer thing, but when you consider http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time they could be quite late
Rednaxela: laughs
Tazer: NO
Tazer: New rule
Tazer: any mention of valve time when discussing linux client is punishable by death
Nevtus: Rednaxela: they done well getting the mac client out fairly on time after only a few months of the announcement
RambJoe: what about the penguin on that picture
Nevtus: oh lol
Rednaxela: Nevtus: Yeah, but still half a month late, apparently, and I don't think they'll give the linux client as high priority even though they are doing it
RambJoe: :(
Nevtus: could have been much worse than a month late
RambJoe: they could get someone too help
Nevtus: like Episode 3 lateness
RambJoe: like they are with teh css beta
Nevtus: also once the opengl build has been tested with the mac, it shouldn't have as many problems as right now
Nevtus: hopefully they figure out that writing case insensitive code is lazy soon too...
RambJoe: oh yeah didn't they say it doeasn't work on case sensitive file systems lol
Nevtus: people have set their mac filesystems to case sensitive, they can't run Steam
Rednaxela: lol....
Rednaxela: The quick fix: They could write a filesystem api wrapper that allows other code to use as if it was case insensitive (i.e. by normalizing all calls to Title Case?). I wouldn't be surprised if they would be tempted to go that route than fixing it proper
Rednaxela: *rather than
midget_3111: @Rednaxela yes, I could see them doing that
Nevtus: soooo lazy
Nevtus: I guess at this point, it'd be hard to fix all the offending parts though
Rednaxela: Yeah, plus I'd imagine many games they might want to port would have the same issue. Would be easier to have a case insensitivity wrapper than fix it for real
Rednaxela: Worst case scenario: Case insensitivity later as a FUSE filesystem
Rednaxela: *layer
mastertheknife: case insestivity layer? the client is duct taped enough, fixing those case sensitive issues shouldnt be hard
Nevtus: mastertheknife: remember, they've been Windows only programming for most of their career
mastertheknife: Nevtus: Still, fixing those case sensitivity issues is a one or two day job
mastertheknife: and maybe even less
mastertheknife: at least for the original source games
Nevtus: yup
mastertheknife: I wonder if valve is working on the client
Tazer: Valve is working on the clinet
Tazer: client*
mastertheknife: but they probably do
Tazer: It only stands to logic
Tazer: If they weren't doing it, the 403 page wouldn't even exist
Tazer: there wouldn't be a need for it too
mastertheknife: Tazer: Yeah, makes sense
DeathCrawler: ♬ Therion - 2 Gothic Kabbalah - Gothic Kabbalah (1:40/4:33 36%) Volume 99 %
DeathCrawler: Steam in June... hopefully
thelinx: DeathCrawler: OK
thelinx: er- on the subject of your music
DeathCrawler: oh
DeathCrawler: Therion is awesome
DeathCrawler: ♬ Therion - 3 Path To Arcady - Gothic Kabbalah (2:24/3:54 61%) Volume 99 %
Kano: michaellarabel:
Kano: checking phoronix-test-suite.diff:
Kano: 6 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 12 deletions(-)
xorl: DeathCrawler: I love me some Therion
DeathCrawler: :>
xorl: Sirius B and Lemuria are my favorite albums from them
DeathCrawler: ♬ Therion - 6 The Falling Stone - Gothic Kabbalah (0:11/4:46 3%) Volume 100
DeathCrawler: xorl: Sirius B is very good
xorl: can't wait to see em live again
xorl: funny you should mention them as the show we're going to is next month to see them LOL
xorl: down in mexico
DeathCrawler: LOL
DeathCrawler: xorl: They have an live DVD in mexico right?
xorl: the live dvd is from poland I believe
xorl: yeah, it is
DeathCrawler: ^ .^
xorl: pretty far away from mexico haha
DeathCrawler: hahaha
DeathCrawler: xD
Zerb_Riss: does anyone have kde working with hdmi audio using xbmc or something similar?
RambJoe: https://www.google.com/
MPX: Dang, does anybody know if the steam version of ETQW will work with the Binary installer? Can't I just copy the paks? Make a Virtua ISO?
GraveStalker: x264 developers are a FUD makers
GraveStalker: hahaha\
mastertheknife: Wow i got screwed up badly with altitude
mastertheknife: there is a linux version
mastertheknife: but i bought altitude on steam
mastertheknife: forcing me to play through wine
DonScott: I miss anything today ?
mikeplus64: DonScott: Just hypehypehypehype as usual.
mikeplus64: ;)
DonScott: bah
mastertheknife: DonScott: you got altitude ?
MPX: I'm downloading the demo now...
MPX: Nobody got ET:QW though?
DonScott: i don't have altitude
mastertheknife: MPX: no need to get the demo, you can get the full for free on steam until monday
MPX: Well....I like to use linux natives :)
mastertheknife: MPX: and can buy at 50% discount until monday
mastertheknife: me too.. but steam screwed me over
DonScott: is actually worried about the gulf of mexico at the moment....no more shrimp to eat soon....
MPX: Yeeaah....:(
mastertheknife: MPX: I already bought it for $4.99
mastertheknife: oh well, hoping a linux steam client will come out some day
MPX: Ooo nice price...but right now, I can't spend more money ;)
Kano: mastertheknife: et?
mastertheknife: Kano: altitude
mastertheknife: Kano: I bought it earlier on steam for $4.99 and just noticed now in wikipedia that there is Windows, OSX and Linux versions
Kano: ah
mastertheknife: i feel like a fool for buying a windows version just to play it through wine
mastertheknife: heh
Kano: did you try the linux demo and replace the data dir
Kano: this works often
mastertheknife: but the progress perks etc is probably stored on steam
Ivanovic: mastertheknife: so once steam for linux is there you might directly have that game available
Ivanovic: ;)
mastertheknife: Ivanovic: Yeah, probably
MPX: Altitude was fun :)
mastertheknife: well at first i didnt like it much i barely killed anyone but after few hours i started killing :) its an addicting game
MPX: :D I'm gonna be busy playing quake wars till they fix l4d on steam D:
MPX: that is...wine version...or they give it out au naturelle linux flavour :D
mastertheknife: whats wrong with l4d ?
mastertheknife: I play it through wine
mastertheknife: its slow but it works
MPX: You got an Nvidia card right?
MPX: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22534
MPX: :(
Azalyn: STEAM LINUX CONFIRMED!
MPX: STEAM EQUALS WATER EQUALS ICE EQUALS NORTH POLE EQUALS PENGUINS EQUALS TUX!!!!!!!!!! STEAM LINUX CONFIRMED!
Azalyn: mwehehehe.
MPX: S for STEAM comes before T which is TUX and E for EN ROUTE and A for AFFIRMITIVE and M for...oh heck I give up
MPX: Mission accomplished!
Azalyn: valve is really being annoying here.
Azalyn: i also hate how gabe newell keeps calling the mac an "open platform"
Azalyn: what the hell is he smoking
MPX: I was thinking...not having a clue really
MPX: but mac being based on BSD
mastertheknife: MPX: Yeah i have nvidia
MPX: shouldnt that allow Steam to be run on other BSD variants?
Azalyn: no.
Azalyn: different executable formats.
mastertheknife: Azalyn: Yeah mac is so the opposite of open, its full of DRM
MPX: No way to get around ?
Azalyn: BSD uses elf, like linux. and mac uses mach-o.
MPX: wrapper or whatever?
MPX: K :)
Azalyn: in fact even though bsd and linux both use elf, there are other issues that prevent compatibility.
MPX: Mach-o...haha...that's...gay :x
Azalyn: you could write a wrapper... but honestly, who would waste their time?
MPX: "Look at me, I'm Macho and I'm using the mach-o fs!
MPX: the wine devs probably :P
Azalyn: i'm not even sure if the BSD's themselves are binary compatible, i'm pretty certain they aren't.
Azalyn: the wine devs do it for wine. there is no market for a mac compatibility layer for other systems. because anything worth a damn on mac is available on windows.
MPX: True true.
Azalyn: and wine fulfils the role of windows compatibility.
MPX: Never could understand the mac people
Azalyn: they're whiny little bitches, there's nothing to understand.
MPX: Here in town theres this elitist cafe...Everybody wears the same worn out clothes, the same types of scarfs....modern day hippies...and they all walk around with their macbook pro.
MPX: If you don't own one...don't enter that cafe ;)
Azalyn: "oh no, the buttons in this dialog are MISALIGNED... I MUST NOW CLAW MY EYES OUT IN DISGUST!"
Azalyn: i should just go into the cafe with a linux netbook.
MPX: Oh and the fun part about the story is that the cafe got a rumour on it saying it's the choice for true individuals ;)
Azalyn: is a 'fake individual' supposed to be like an imaginary friend?
MPX: Hehehe
MPX: And why is it that most Mac people love Jazz?
Azerthoth: because jobs likes jazz
mastertheknife: MPX: seems that wine devs all have nvidia cards
MPX: They sit around with their macbooks, wearing their glasses, drinking their coffees with their panties in a twist, real Jobs style (You know...one leg over the other)...and they listen to something kids could have made. Freestyle Jazz they call it
Azalyn: by the way, it's not named mach-o because of "macho"
MPX: mastertheknife, I blame ATI for this one...as much as I love ATI, I hate their linux support
MPX: rather Mach 0 right?
Azalyn: 'mach' is the microkernel that os x sits on top of
gitano_: hates jazz
MPX: I know...I just thought it was funny...I got really bad humor :)
gitano_: :P
Azalyn: and the "o" stands for "object" i believe
Azerthoth: I like Mach 0 better
Azalyn: i'm trying to find an article where someone has disassembled the wii slot loading drive. i'm curious as to the mechanism behind it's ability to accommodate both 8cm discs and normal discs.
mastertheknife: MPX: ATI (or shall we say AMD?)'s drivers are also buggy in Windows but i think they are trying to support linux properly now. the open source drivers is a step in the right direction
Azalyn: ATI is obviously the future for linux cards..
Azalyn: but the problem is that in the interim we are totally screwed.
MPX: mastertheknife, afaik, ati has nothing to do with the opensource drivers?
Azalyn: nvidia proprietary drivers are better than ati proprietary drivers currently, but nvidia is shitting over the community by not supporting opensource development.
Azalyn: i've said this before, but basically, it's a choice between getting screwed now or later.
MPX: YES! I don't need the ETQW DVD to install under linux! woot woot
MPX: I have a grudge over Nvidia because of 3dfx...
rsk: ati has years and years of waiting before it's usable on linux
mastertheknife: Azalyn: its just like with linux, it can be an awesome gaming operating system, but these kinds of things don't happen from themselves, they need a push from a one or few big companies like valve
Azalyn: valve isn't the right company to push this.
mastertheknife: If valve won't give linux a try because linux's market share is low, how can linux's market share increase?
MPX: If valve was to port steam to linux, the graphic chips makers would be sure to follow
MPX: It would be easy money :)
Azalyn: what i am pissed off at, is redhat, novell, and other such companies.
mastertheknife: Azalyn: whats wrong with Novell?
Azalyn: those companies could solve this pretty easily.
MPX: Azalyn, explain more please...I'm lost in the old story
Azalyn: but they focus far more effort into the server market
Azalyn: because that is where the money is right now
mastertheknife: oh
mastertheknife: just like with RHEL
Azalyn: but they seem to miss the point that if you don't put money into the desktop, that you won't have a desktop market... it's chicken and egg. but someone has to break the cycle.
Azalyn: and no one is stepping up to the plate.
Azalyn: they're all looking after their own interests.
DonScott: that is true
mastertheknife: very true
DonScott: a horrible reality
MPX: Meh...reminds me of QNX
MPX: who cares for QNX desktop usability they said.
mastertheknife: like what i said, if no big company will give it a try because its not profitable, how can it grow to be profitable
mastertheknife: lol
Azalyn: i bet you that if they put serious cash into this, that they could have a reasonably performant 3D driver in 6 months to a year. based on the current codebase of course.
rsk: they dont want that
Azalyn: basically the "linux companies" have already abandoned the desktop.
rsk: they fired the guy they had working on the driver
Azalyn: except for the 'corporate desktop' market.
MPX: Perhaps he showed up drunk for work...who knows :D
Azalyn: in corporate desktops they don't really care about 3D that much.
Azalyn: so a 2D driver is all they want.
Azalyn: one of these companies should've taken a bullet for the rest of the team.
Azalyn: they're all bastards though.
Azalyn: pisses me off.
MPX: Meh, I know this exec...he hates modern computing. If it was up to him we'd all be using good old terminals.
bkero: is using a good old terminal.
Azalyn: what does he hate about it?
bkero: Ask him if he likes gaming or watching television on a good old temrinal.
Azalyn: the thin client could be thought of as the modern terminal. heh
MPX: He doesn't understand the need for graphics...at all
mastertheknife: bkero: xterm? :P
bkero: Azalyn: I'm typing IRC to you from a VT100 hooked up to my desktop through RS232.
Azalyn: thin clients are very good.
MPX: The only time he may see the need for it, is for exec meetings, showing graphs
MPX: but that's it
Azalyn: bkero: how nice for you.
Azalyn: do you want a cookie?
MPX: Ahhh RS232...reminds me of my Atari Portfolio :)
DonScott: shuttleworth could push for it....but I doubt he will.
Azalyn: so he doesn't see the purpose of the xerox parc wimp interface?
MPX: I'm not sure where shuttleworth stands...I'm not sure anybody does
MPX: Azalyn, he misses the good old typewriters....
Azerthoth: easy, figure out what jobs would do, then remove half the logic
Azalyn: shuttleworth didn't do anything remarkable, i mean the basic idea is to let the community do most of the work, and just come up with better tools (like launchpad) to make it easier for people to work together.
Azalyn: they do fund existing projects i suppose
Azalyn: like gnome
Azalyn: but that is the wrong approach
MPX: Shuttleworth had the money...isn't that just about it? He had money and wanted to spend it on making a linux distro for the masses?
Azerthoth: MPX thats about it
MPX: If so, that's pretty good
MPX: Imagine if he hadn't done it.
Azalyn: because it's basically just saying "oh, gnome is well established and big as a project... let's fund them!"
MPX: If steam IS ported to linux
MPX: I'd atleast give some credit to ubuntu for making it happen
MPX: Thanks to PR
Azerthoth: um no
MPX: Well, if Steam was to be ported to linux it would have been aimed at the avg. pc user.
Azalyn: gnome is seriously obnoxious in many design decisions. seriously.
MPX: Today, the avg. pc user may use Ubuntu
Azalyn: they sacrifice functionality for the sake of 'usability
Azalyn: and they don't actually make things more usable at all in the process.
MPX: What's your choice?
Azalyn: choice?
MPX: Yeah, as a window maker
MPX: (Sorry, my english is bad :) )
Azalyn: you mean a window manager.. :P
MPX: Yes, sorry! :)
Azalyn: window maker *is* an actual window manager. :P
Azalyn: gnome is not just a window manager though, it's a "desktop environment"
Azalyn: i use xfce.
MPX: I remember using BB....I miss BB
MPX: I've seen some screenshots of XFCE...it reminds me of gnome...but then again, perhaps I've seen the wrong ones
MPX: Care to tell a little bit about it?
Tazer: ^This plz
Azalyn: xfce is lightweight
Azalyn: and no-frills
Nevtus: pff, tiling WMs are where it's at :P
MPX: What does no-frills mean?
DonScott: no frills is no fun....
Azalyn: yes it is.
Azalyn: if you want something like compiz, you can still use it
MPX: But why would I need XFCE being lightweight, when my system boots up in 7 secs?
Nevtus: I did find xfce boring when I used it for a while on an eee 701
MPX: (off an ssd ofcourse)
Azalyn: because maybe you want to save resources for the apps that need it? why should i have to have hundreds of megs of useless shit that i never touch..
Azalyn: or a massive amount of stupid dependencies for the gnome desktop
MPX: Geh...gnome dependencies...got me there
Azalyn: and worse yet, the entire mono framework, for what? tomboy notes? seriously.
Nevtus: Azalyn: I agree with that, just not with using xfce
MPX: What do you use Nevtus ?
Nevtus: I don't have a full DE, for a windows manager I use Awesome WM
MPX: What's so "awesome" about it? :p
Nevtus: try it and you'll find out
Azalyn: if it's a tiling wm, it will totally confuse mpx.
Azalyn: heh
MPX: hmm, I'm kind of a sucker for eye candy...used to be the other way around though...I used to love the command line
Nevtus: it's tiling yeah
Milyardo: I used to care about window managers, but since I live in screen, and now byobu, multiplexers are where its at
Nevtus: MPX: I'm the opposite, I used to have a full gnome with compiz and all the frills. Now I'm happy with a tiling WM and loads of CLI programs
MPX: Nevtus, Perhaps I'll change back too
MPX: I just miss BB :(
Nevtus: graphic intensitve stuff is better too, like using blender or playing games since the resources are being used for actual applications
Milyardo: I played with compiz settings before to give it a tiling behavior, I found that to be pretty comfertable
Azalyn: i use command line for nearly everything.
Azalyn: eye candy is fine though, as long as it's not using resources when *idle*
Nevtus: the first thing I do at my desktop/netbook is open a terminal :P
Azalyn: so for that we need a design that manages it's memory properly.
MPX: Perhaps I'm just spoiled with a powerful rig and ssd...
Azalyn: you don't need that much power to run compiz.
Azalyn: my 7900gs handles it well.
Azalyn: as for ssd...
DonScott: i have one of those in my backup computer
Azalyn: well, i hardly ever reboot
Nevtus: you can use compiz on integrated intel graphics
Azalyn: 19:21:43 up 104 days, 21:56, 37 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00
MPX: Heh
Nevtus: 37 users?
Azalyn: that's my desktop.
DonScott: 3 and a half months
DonScott: wow
Nevtus: 00:29:16 up 24 days, 3:51, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00
Nevtus: heh, it's exactly the same load
Azalyn: gentoo creates a bunch of users.
Azalyn: it's not users that are logged in. it's how many accounts there are
MPX: 01:29:44 up 9:24, 2 users, load average: 1.60, 1.57, 1.42 :P
Nevtus: run uptime again and
MPX: I've been playing...alot :D
DonScott: still reboots ......just to feel better.
Nevtus: 00:29:52 up 24 days, 3:51, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Nevtus: all 0.00 :P
mastertheknife: 02:30:54 up 14:55, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.04, 0.03
mastertheknife: lol
CME: 01:31:13 up 8:20, 4 users, load average: 0.34, 0.11, 0.07
Nevtus: MPX: what distro/WM/DE are you using?
Milyardo: zpowers@ztv:/home.ztv/zpowers$ uptime 19:31:22 up 38 days, 2:28, 6 users, load average: 0.48, 0.28, 0.21
Nevtus: mastertheknife: you're KDE right?
mastertheknife: this is gentoo and only 3 users, no idea how you got 37 :O
Azalyn: i honestly don't get why portage creates all those users :\
MPX: Oh you know...Nuubuntu :D
CME: i had two weeks uptime, but i just managed again to fubar the i945 gpu :(
mastertheknife: Nevtus: KDE4 on gentoo amd64 yeah
Azalyn: i mean groups is one thing...
Azalyn: but users? heh
Nevtus: MPX: it doesn't look good for noobuntu :P
MPX: I've been playing since I booted up
MPX: Moving data, downloading, and all kinds of stuff
MPX: while taking backup :)
DonScott: 18:32:15 up 20:09, 2 users, load average: 0.17, 0.28, 0.27
Azalyn: mastertheknife: how new is your gentoo system?
Azalyn: maybe they changed things.
mastertheknife: Azalyn: hmm its from 2008
MPX: and Steam is constantly hogging 2 of my cores at 100 %
mastertheknife: Azalyn: but i update once a week and using the latest profile
Milyardo: looks like MPX is the only one with a decent load average
Azalyn: heh
Azalyn: profile wouldn't change the users.
Nevtus: Milyardo: decent load average?
Nevtus: the lower, the better
Azalyn: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Azalyn: wait.
Azalyn: that's not what users is
Azalyn: it's the amount of TERMINALS you have open it seems
mastertheknife: Azalyn: Yeah, type w
Milyardo: every psudo terminal you open up is a new login
Azalyn: that is so vague. why do they call that "users" ?
Nevtus: Azalyn: I used to get that with GNOME
MPX: What specs do you all have anyway?
Azalyn: yeah i know it's a new login..
Azalyn: but what is the rationale in thinking that new login = new user?
mastertheknife: Azalyn: http://pastebin.com/MfBxSQq2
Azalyn: it's the same account..
Milyardo: users need not always be a person
Azalyn: PFFT.
Azalyn: >:O
MPX: I get the feeling most of you guys run Arch
MPX: is that a Phoronix thing or something? :p
mikeplus64: Maaaaybe.
mikeplus64: lol
Nevtus: seems like a mix of Arch and Gentoo in here mostly
MPX: ;)
mikeplus64: is running Arch, also.
Milyardo: Not I
MPX: Never tried gentoo or arch
Azalyn: anyways, my specs are.. 2.5GHz dualcore athlon (brisbane 65nm)..... 4GB ddr2 memory.... and a geforce 7900GS with i think 256MB of video ram.
MPX: Tried redhat in 99-2001, then slackware then noobuntu
MPX: Nice specs Azalyn ...should run linux like a breeze
mastertheknife: Nevtus: what do you run? :)
Nevtus: Arch
mastertheknife: oh
MPX: Is gentoo any good?
Azalyn: with a lian-li aluminium reverse-atx chassis. for optimal air flow :)
Milyardo: "phoronix-test-suite system-info" should give you more detailed info
Milyardo: :)
mastertheknife: MPX: yeah its nice if you have core2 or newer but installing takes some time
DonScott: has never forgiven Redhat for not working with my Voodoo 3 card back in 98.
Nevtus: mastertheknife: were you expecting me to say something else?
Azalyn: i also installed a zalman copper cooler on my 7900gs.
mastertheknife: MPX: installation is done from command line followed by instructions from the gentoo's handbook, it takes about 1-2 days
mastertheknife: MPX: but you learn so much about the inner workings of linux just from installing gentoo
Azalyn: the old cooler (the fan specifically) died.
mastertheknife: Nevtus: thought you might be a gentoo user
MPX: 955BE Quad core @ 3.6 ghz (300FSB x12) 4GB DDR3 1600 & Ati 5770 X2 & Crucial 64GB SSD as system drive.....
MPX: WOW mastertheknife ....1-2 days?
Nevtus: I have installed Gentoo in a VM before, but I've never ran it as my main OS
Azalyn: i was getting all sorts of graphical artifacts with it. it was probably on the verge of dying if i hadn't replaced the heatsink..
mastertheknife: MPX: Yeah, it compiles all your system
Azalyn: i also used arctic-cooling mx3 thermal paste. :O
Milyardo: http://pastebin.com/hYnmR47N <---- My system info
MPX: mastertheknife : Nice! That's what I like...cuztomised kernels :)
mastertheknife: MPX: It actually took like 2-3 days to get things right here but thats with Xorg, KDE, etc
MPX: Milyardo, Nice...I got the M4A79T Deluxe mobo :)
Azalyn: if you are compiling the kernel manually... instead of using their script or whatever..
Azalyn: it can take even longer...
Azalyn: heh
mastertheknife: MPX: in gentoo you compile the kernel by yourself by chaging /usr/src/linux symlink (manually or with eselect), make menuconfig, make && makes modules_install, cp arch/x86_64/bzImage /boot/kernel-2.6.32-gentoo-r6, nano -w /boot/grub/grub.conf, reboot
MPX: And that takes 1-2 days?
mastertheknife: MPX: no, the overall system install
MPX: Ah, I see
Azalyn: the compiling alone can take a day or so..
mastertheknife: On my core2 it took somewhere around 1.5-3.0 days to install
mastertheknife: i dont remember it was in 2008
Azalyn: after the base system is in good shape, and my options are set the way i want in make.conf and so on, i usually start by emerging X first and foremost, and then after go for a specific desktop environment
MPX: I wish I had a system like that
MPX: Can't be arsed these days though :S
Azalyn: although, now if i do my system again, i'll obviously be using the same package.keyword and package.use files.
Azalyn: so the second time along is easier assuming you keep those files.
Azalyn: same thing with kernel configuration. i usually use make oldconfig
MPX: What kernel are you running?
mastertheknife: i dont have many entries in packge.use, package.keywords and package.unmask but i would definitely copy my use flags.. lol
Azalyn: Linux nekomimi 2.6.31-gentoo-r6-Azk10.02.06 #1 SMP Sat Feb 6 03:16:25 EST 2010 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4800+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
MPX: Don't say 2.4.x :p
MPX: I know this one guy...he swears to 2.4..
mastertheknife: Linux GentooB0X 2.6.32-gentoo-r7 #1 SMP Sat May 22 11:30:47 IDT 2010 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6750 @ 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
mastertheknife: I had 2.6.31-gentoo-r6 until today, upgraded
Azalyn: notice the suffix in mine. heh
Azalyn: i add my own version string at the end.
Azalyn: -Azk (Azalyn's kernel) with the date.
Azalyn: look carefully, and see if you notice something interesting :)
MPX: What....10.02.06?
MPX: Oh american dates...?
MPX: Sorry...my bad :) Here that would have been tenth of feb, 2006 :)
mastertheknife: Oh i read it as 10th feb 2006 too
Nevtus: I thought it was an 06' date too
MPX: ;D
Azalyn: they're not really 'american' more like computer dates. think of a directory listing in a folder, if you sort alphabetically, and want the numbers to be in order...
Azalyn: then logically, you need the year first, the month second, and the day third
MPX: True that
Azalyn: you will run into that sort of date format in many IT situations where they need it to be ordered.
Azalyn: but that's not what i wanted you to see.
kurros: I think it's more likely that az had advanced access to the current version four years ago
GraveStalker: x264 dev-fools and MPEG-LA patent troll, die
Azalyn: Linux nekomimi 2.6.31-gentoo-r6-Azk10.02.06 #1 SMP Sat Feb 6 03:16:25 EST 2010 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4800+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
MPX: Oh, tell us already :)
Azalyn: so basically, the last time i rebooted this system, was when i upgraded the kernel.
Azalyn: heh
MPX: 104 days right?
Azalyn: because the date in the kernel suffix that i add, is the date when i compile a kernel.
Azalyn: yep.
midget_3111: wow.
MPX: Nice uptime :)
DeathCrawler: lol
Azalyn: that's pretty much the only case where linux *really* needs to reboot.
MPX: Don't you worry about HDD failure?
Azalyn: when you upgrade the kernel.
MPX: I usually wear a drive out in 4 months
mikeplus64: Hmmmmmm. With Ubuntu's Software Center thing, perhaps Steam will be intergrated into that?
Azalyn: MPX: i dunno. hasn't happened so far, and i've ran machines like this before.
Azalyn: i guess i don't abuse my drives that much
DeathCrawler: mikeplus64: yes
Nevtus: MPX: really? you're doing something wrong if drives only last 4 months
MPX: I move alot of data
Nevtus: so do I
Azalyn: 4 months is abnormal
Azalyn: hard drives, even consumer ones, are designed to last years
MPX: Well, if 400 gigs+ a day is alot of data that is
Azalyn: heh, i don't do anything like that. unless i'm doing a backup
Azalyn: mikeplus64: no.
Nevtus: mikeplus64: Steam will definitely be it's own stand alone application
DonScott: yeah
Nevtus: I hope it'll run as just a user, I don't it running around loose on my main filesystem
Nevtus: as root
DeathCrawler: Nevtus: Proprietary programs can be integrated in USC
mikeplus64: I just thought it was an interesting idea.
Azalyn: it's not an interesting idea.
Azalyn: it's quite uninteresting.
Azalyn: which is the opposite of interesting.
mikeplus64: retreats to a corner to quietly sob.
Nevtus: ubuntu users would find it interesting probably
Azalyn: i still got it. ;)
DeathCrawler: Azalyn: programs can only linked in the USC
Azalyn: DeathCrawler: GraveStalker was you?
DeathCrawler: second nick :P
DeathCrawler: why?
Nevtus: The steam installer allows non-modified redistribution doesn't it? It'd be nice to see it in distro repo that allow closed software
Azalyn: you should know that those "x264 dev-fools" are working as we speak on VP8...
Azalyn: to make sure it's the best it can be.
DeathCrawler: fud less
DeathCrawler: do more
Azalyn: it's not really fud. you misread it. the people *quoting* his article are spreading FUD.
Azalyn: the guy himself though, just did an unbiased technical analysis.
Azalyn: if you read his previous article, he was looking forward to vp8 just as much as the rest of us were.
Azalyn: bottom line though, he does make good arguments. the only area that you should take with a grain of salt, is his criticisms on the patent issues.
Azalyn: i mean he may be a brilliant engineer, but he is no lawyer.
Azalyn: assuming that a "similar" design to h264 makes it patented is jumping to conclusions. only a lawyer can judge such a thing with any decent level of certainty.
MPX: Yes! ETQW Works! :D
Azalyn: my guess is that what they did, is that On2 copied all of the 'non-patented' h264 features.
MPX: That is...the steam CD Key :D
Azalyn: and tried to then fill in the blanks.
Azalyn: i suppose we'll see what happens in the coming months. :O
DeathCrawler: lol
Azalyn: also, annoyingly enough, google is apparently using ffmpeg-vorbis for the audio in their youtube videos... :\
Azalyn: when they should be using libvorbis instead.
Azalyn: so the audio quality right now is bad.
DeathCrawler: i use aotuv modification in my musics
MPX: I remember somebody in this channel told me how to remove the sound LAG from ETQW....Anybody here?
Nevtus: pulseaudio?
Azalyn: http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs142.snc3/16961_1241223073857_1327728580_30703891_5450808_n.jpg
MPX: You bet :p
Azalyn: swinging a cactus might help.
MPX: I think it's using Alsa though
MPX: Alsa lags for me
mikeplus64: MPX: You can set the buffer size for Alsa ( or maybe in the ETQW configs... I forget ) to 6652 and that apparently solves some problems.
MPX: hmmm...I remeber somebody in here had this snappy fix though :)
Azalyn: i'm telling you, you can't go wrong with my 'swinging a cactus' plan.
MPX: If anything
MPX: Me swinging a cactus might give audio spikes...and definately not any lag haha
Milyardo: ugh, why does going to the ETQW community site now redirect you to Activision's home page
Nevtus: that says it all really :P
MPX: I think it had to do something with Esound...not sure
MPX: Because Activition sucks #
mikeplus64: MPX: Out of curiosity, why are you using Esound?
MPX: I just recall the fix had something to do with esound :)
MPX: Perhaps if I scroll in the log :)
MPX: Grrr...I don't have the damn log...
Sleepy_Coder: I really wish you could download the map you don't have from the server hosting that map--directly--in L4D2 :(
Sleepy_Coder: You can do it in TF2...
Sleepy_Coder: Wish Valve had an official channel on Freenode.
Sleepy_Coder: Would make feedback so much easier.
RambJoe: lol lets ask gabe
RambJoe: we could spam it with linux requets
rsk: we could?
rsk: you _don't_ say
rsk: hahaha
DeathCrawler: :(
DeathCrawler: Im dont will play windoze games
DeathCrawler: want steam
Daekdroom: Spamming a channel with steam for linux requests? Too much steam for Valve, I suppose.
DeathCrawler: someone tested the new driver of nvidia?
kloplop321: has not
RambJoe: http://www.google.co.uk/
RambJoe: insert coin twice
RambJoe: mrs pacman is controlled by wasd
DeathCrawler: play with... yourself
DeathCrawler: :P
RambJoe: lol
RambJoe: i need to save that shit
RambJoe: i tried but failed
RambJoe: hm what is /root/Steamstore.steampowered.com/public/client/steam_client_linux
kurros: your mom
RambJoe: ClientRegistry.blob
MPX: =D=D ETQW rocks...why haven't I played this before :D
DonScott: yeah...it's pretty fun
DeathCrawler: really
MPX: Now if I get l4d running....It'd be the bomb :D
MPX: Time to install quake 3...oh how I love ID Software
r4_: so has anyone made the steam community (ingame) work yet? i somehow did.
r4_: the only feature that doesnt work (as far as i know...i havent tested) is mic
r4_: this is in wine of course
Daekdroom: My computer is so noisy when I'm doing video/sound/image converting/edition :*
Daekdroom: *:(
r4_: its gonna blow up
r4_: !
DeathCrawler: Daekdroom: cooler :P
Daekdroom: Fortunately, not.
DeathCrawler: i hate this
DeathCrawler: ♬ Drakkar - 4 Soldiers Of Death - Gemini (0:52/6:07 14%) Volume 100
mikeplus64: I really like failgunning in ETQW, funfunfun.
Daekdroom: DeathCrawler, Yeah, but it makes it look like I'm taking bad care of my baby.
DeathCrawler: XDX
DeathCrawler: XD
MPX: DeathCrawler, that song sounds dramatic :O
DeathCrawler: Daekdroom: Here is the noisy of AMD cooler box
DeathCrawler: *because the
MPX: DeathCrawler, what cooler do you have?
DeathCrawler: AMD cooler box
DeathCrawler: :P
Daekdroom: I have a Core 2 Duo E4300.
DeathCrawler: SysInfo: Linux 2.6.31-21-generic | Dual AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 245 Processor 800.000 MHz | Mem: 1569/4057M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 509G Free: 361G | Bogomips: 11654.2 | Screen Res: 1680x1050 | Procs: 179 | | Up: | ppp0: In: 56.90M Out: 4.11M
MPX: Booo Intel
MPX: Hisss Hisss =I
MPX: :)
DeathCrawler: video[nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] @ Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] RS780 Host Bridge]
DeathCrawler: ^this is my system
DeathCrawler: XD
Azerthoth: ooh look, training wheels
DeathCrawler: weak system
DeathCrawler: :P
MPX: I only got 240 g free :S
DeathCrawler: oO
MPX: Somehow...that's really low.. :S
MPX: I don't understand why...not so long ago, 240 gb was alot
MPX: now it's like...3 gb :S
MPX: Well, it FEELS like it
Daekdroom: o.o
DeathCrawler: lol
DeathCrawler: I will buy 1.5TB
DeathCrawler: but i dont need now
MPX: and I only got 4 of 183 steam games installed...Thats gonna fill up almost 1 TB
DeathCrawler: my internet is sooooo slow now
DeathCrawler: =/
MPX: and when my OTHER Game collection gets done....600 GB
MPX: bleargh
DeathCrawler: lol
MPX: I'm a console collector...so I get hold of entire game catalouges
MPX: then I download backups of em :)
MPX: Takes aloooooooot of space
DeathCrawler: XD
DeathCrawler: nah
DeathCrawler: My animes is sufficient
DeathCrawler: :PP
DeathCrawler: *are
MPX: I can't wait to get 50 mbit..
DeathCrawler: LOL
Daekdroom: I have 3mbit/640kbits D:
DeathCrawler: 50mbt/50mbit
DeathCrawler: ?
MPX: 10 here :) It's very sufficient...but not when you download 500 gb
MPX: 50/50 yeah
DeathCrawler: lol
c0bra: any news on steam for linux?
MPX: Yes!
MPX: There is
MPX: but I'm not telling you
c0bra: why
MPX: Because I signed like the NDA and stuff
DeathCrawler: lolololol
c0bra: ??
c0bra: nda?
MPX: To protect the penguins?
Daekdroom: Non-disclosure agreement
c0bra: oh
c0bra: lol
c0bra: but srs, is there any news?
MPX: Yeah? Never doing ana....wait a sec
MPX: Not that I know of
DonScott: there should be a poll on how many linux users have neck beards.
DeathCrawler: ;p
DeathCrawler: Valve silence... too cold
DeathCrawler: ;_;
DonScott: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgtDsIYfe9k