Phoronix IRC Log: 2010-05-17
jumbers: Oh wow, now the steam.sh automatically knows to download from the right location without having to create steam.cfg
jumbers: Look at steam.sh
jumbers: It used to be if(osx) elseif(linux)
jumbers: They've switched it
jumbers: Now it checks if it's Linux and then if not, it checks if it's OSX
jumbers: I think my motherboard is going haywire...
jumbers: May 17 01:50:05 sal kernel: [1008867.533182] CPU0: Temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 55374906)
jumbers: May 17 01:50:05 sal kernel: [1008867.533941] CPU0: Temperature/speed normal
jumbers: In the same second it says it's too hot and then says it's normal
riisen: @ steam.sh :P
jumbers: Interesting. It's at every 5 minute mark
jelso: S-T-E-A-M L-I-N-U-X
mikeplus64: HYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPE! :d
jelso: notice how the character in each word isn't shared by the other?
jelso: think about it
jelso: LINUX CONFIRMED
mikeplus64: The confirmation has been confirmed, but is the confirmation of the confirmation confirmed?
jelso: somebody inform newell\
jelso: he will code it personally
mikeplus64: Hire an elite force of drooling Phoronix readers.
mikeplus64: To do it.
mikeplus64: Any of you guys played Penumbra Overture? It's great.
jumbers: Ugh. The news reports are getting worse and worse
jumbers: "The Steam Linux client is already available in a closed beta."
jumbers: Who comes up with this crap?
jumbers: And it's from ComputerWorld
jumbers: It makes me angry how stupid these people are. Next, they're gonna say that Portal 2 is available on Linux
jumbers: Reporting rumors is fine, if they're reported as such. Saying that it's in beta, with NO SOURCES, is just reprehensible and bad journalism
kurros: its an IDG blog, what do you expect
babai: fooking retards
jumbers: I'm writing an email to the editor
jumbers: This is ridiculous
mastertheknife: jumbers: maybe valve told them
mastertheknife: jumbers: ask them for their source
mastertheknife: if its really valve creating hype again
mastertheknife: i'll be damn happy
jumbers: A closed beta needs users. They can't create users out of thin air, they need to collect people
babai: me too :P
jumbers: You would have seen a post somewhere
kurros: IDG/Computerworld gets called out on making shit up all the time
kurros: remember the whole Devil Mountain Software business
kurros: the fake company a Computerworld writer made to source fake studies
mikeplus64: Well, I just need to say...
jumbers: Well, maybe the editor in chief can do something about it or list a real source
maligor: jumbers, I hear they've outsourced the people collecting to the anal probe aliens
babai: for arch users: maybe Allan is a secret beta tester :P
jumbers: I don't like how this story is getting out of hand. It's becoming worse and worse as the days go by
maligor: have they made any updates on the internal betas?
babai: maligor, that cannot be a beta, a pre-alpha maybe
alexander1: babai: Allan broke it
babai: maligor, i guess a beta for them maybe, they may have many things working
babai: for them
maligor: calling it alpha or beta is a bit problematic too :P
maligor: it's only the gui
Xenden: I read about this article in IRC log: http://blogs.computerworld.com/16108/running_windows_games_on_linux_gets_easier
Xenden: is the article author reply the email?
jumbers: I emailed the editor in chief
Xenden: any reaction?
jumbers: lol. I only sent it a half hour ago and it's 5AM
jumbers: I don't expect a reply for several hours
Xenden: sorry :D the IRC log doesn't show time
jumbers: Bad journalism makes me mad :(
Xenden: and what's up is his source is valve? :)
jumbers: I doubt it.
jumbers: He's a blogger for ComputerWorld, he wouldn't get a scoop like that.
maligor: perhaps he broke into the valve offices and stole secret documents
jumbers: Why didn't I think of that?
maligor: because you're not a mastermind crim^Wgenius
jumbers: I'm just a lowly moron
Ivanovic: to talk about something non steam related: are there any news regarding r600g?
Ivanovic: the last thing i heard was about the mail to the list more than a week ago
Ivanovic: this one: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODIzMw
Ivanovic: looks like there is no real followup on the mailing list, so is there any information regarding when this will hit any of the repos (and when it will hit master!)?
wait4steam_: hi all
jumbers: Ahoy ye land lubber
wait4steam_: any chance radeon will get the fglrx performance or better over time?
jumbers: Swab the poop deck
wait4steam_: fglrx sucks so much
wait4steam_: and radon is so slow
wait4steam_: in 3d applications
giselher: wait4steam_: never will as oss driver outperform a prop driver :(
wait4steam_: than i hope fglrx will get much beter over time and support kms in the future
wait4steam_: because atm its just annoying
wait4steam_: no kms, ui issus in gnome, crashes, is slow etc
wait4steam_: i bought a ati card and hoped linux support is better than years ago. but maybe its not
giselher: I also would like to see a xrandr and kms support for the prop nvidia driver, btw, how is the nouveau driver=
wait4steam_: randr works with fglrx, what surprises me
wait4steam_: but not with the nvidia ones right
wait4steam_: nouveau is fine for 2d i think
wait4steam_: but forget about opegl stuff
giselher: okey, will stick with prop driver longer :)
wait4steam_: are there any benchmarks on phoronix for the r700 radeon vs fglrx_
wait4steam_: at least nvidia has good prop drivers
giselher: you could install pts by yourself
wait4steam_: is it easz to handle
wait4steam_: well, is handle the right english word in this context?
wait4steam_: we got some english words in german that means completly different things than in english. so sometimes its hard to know if its the right word in english too :D
wait4steam_: handy is a mobilephone in germany for example
wait4steam_: and handle means its possible to do or something like that. like. "can you handle that?"
mamalujo: also, knob or such. in some contexts, nick
Ivanovic: wait4steam_: kms support for the proprietary driver is basically impossible!
Ivanovic: wait4steam_: you can't get it for nvidia just as you can't get it for ati
GNU\colossus: so relicense those drivers then! ;)
Ivanovic: GNU\colossus: but, uhm, then they are not proprietary anymore
Ivanovic: wait4steam_: and asking every day if/when the open source driver will reach the speed of the proprietary one is futile!
Ivanovic: GNU\colossus: most likely not possible due to some licensing deals regarding "3rd party IP"
GNU\colossus: yeah, I know
Ivanovic: (you know, lovely software patents and all the f***)
GNU\colossus: one may still dream, though :)
wait4steam_: i hope for more optimistic answers :D
gitano: ronnie james dio is dead?!
Ivanovic: uhm, who is "ronnie james dio"?
Ivanovic: wait4steam_: regarding speed of your r700 card: what kernel and what mesa are you using?
Ivanovic: and, even more important, which progs are you testing?
gitano: Ivanovic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie_James_Dio
wait4steam_: the ones from ubuntu lucid
wait4steam_: kernel and mesa
wait4steam_: testing warsow, and source games via wine
Ivanovic: wait4steam_: better try 2.6.34 and mesa/libdrm right from git
Ivanovic: they might give you better speed
gitano: shivers... saw them last year live
wait4steam_: the holy diver dio?
wait4steam_: bad news :(
gitano: indeed :(
gitano: what a fuckin' great performer and singer
gitano: awesome person as well
wait4steam_: dont want to fuck up my system too bad
Ivanovic: then wait for the next ubuntu or use the proprietary driver
Ivanovic: was there not a leaked 10.6 beta somewhere?
Ivanovic: that one might be a lot better regarding 2d speed
wait4steam_: 3d speed is important
wait4steam_: 2d is just fine
Ivanovic: and 3d speed with fglrx should be fine
wait4steam_: fglrx produces ui issus
Ivanovic: with the open source driver you probably need a more recent mesa, kernel and libdrm to get *any* improvement at all!
Ivanovic: and the ui issues you see are likely to be fixed in a more recent fglrx that is only available as (unofficial!!!) beta
Ivanovic: search the net for a beta of 10.6 fglrx, that one might be a whole lot better regarding the problems you see
wait4steam_: i ll try. thx
Ivanovic: or just switch to kde, there should not be issues in that one (yeah, compiz sucks!)
wait4steam_: not a fan of kde
wait4steam_: tried it sometimes
wait4steam_: just don t like it
Ivanovic: have you already tested a recent version of kde4?
Ivanovic: something >= kde4.2
wait4steam_: dunno the exact version
wait4steam_: but i am just not happy with the look and feel of kde
Ivanovic: with some time invested it should easily be possible to have it feel and look rather identical to gnome
wait4steam_: im fine with gnome :)
wait4steam_: but thx
wait4steam_: afk now
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sannn: w000h0000 bbs links! Let's click on them all!
DonScott: same shit just happened in #ubuntu
Oli```: DonScott: and #ubuntu-uk
sannn: for a split second I thought this might be valve.. with their portal2 bbs and all ;)
sannn: known spambot names? http://pastebin.com/f5cf4dfa
mamalujo: oh great, so pedo-friendly spambots are here too
GNU\colossus: they're all over freenode since yesterday
Azalyn: that site is well known for spamming.
Azalyn: the management denies it of course.
Azalyn: eh? they're not affiliated with 4chan at all
Azalyn: in fact, you could say they are enemies.
Azalyn: 4chan has also been the victim of their spamming
Azalyn: more info.
Azalyn: anonymous has counterattacked many times with DDoS attacks and what not.
The_Muh: yay. upgrade to 2.6.34
The_Muh: i love arch - and the testing-repo
Azalyn: oh, 2.6.34 stable is out
DonScott: Linux Action show is up
Azalyn: i'll probably wait though. there's nothing i need right now from the new kernels.
Azalyn: the hell? i've never heard of this "show" :|
Azalyn: are they really at "season 11" ?
DonScott: season 12
NigeyUK: boo :P
The_Muh: penumbra overture rocks...
giselher: The_Muh: yupe, it does
The_Muh: they should give us black plague also as open source
giselher: I think i will buy it before it goes oss :)
giselher: a copy
The_Muh: hard to get... and i dont trust internet-shops
Azalyn: steam is an internet shop :O
The_Muh: buy my games as CD / DVD - in a real store
Azalyn: well aren't you special. mr fancy pants.
Azalyn: RambJoe: you were the guy trying to install UT99 yesterday? and asking whether you need the windows cd?
Azalyn: the answer is yes.
RambJoe: ok thanks. :) I think i have one downstairs
Azalyn: you get the linux installer online, which has the binaries.
Azalyn: and then you insert the windows cd
Azalyn: it uses the same data files from the windows disc.
RambJoe: ah thanks :D
Azalyn: pretty much all of the current linux ports are like that.
Azalyn: same deal for ut2003, ut2004, quake3, doom3, etc
The_Muh: quake3? -> openarena
Azalyn: the openarena character models are weird.
Kano: Azalyn: on ut2004 the linux installer is included
Azalyn: not that the original quake3 models werent..... (i mean really, an eyeball?)
Azalyn: but still.
Azalyn: Kano: same with ut2003 i believe. but if you want the latest version, you have to get it online.
The_Muh: an eyeball? killing you with a look
RambJoe: oh cool i have those uts too :P
The_Muh: damn... one of my favorite passwords now useless =/
Nevtus: The_Muh: the Frictional eshop is fine, you should get it
The_Muh: k. how i put my 16€ into the internet? xD
Nevtus: paypal, credit card. etc?
The_Muh: dont have a bank-account
thelinx: pedo-friendly bbs? I'm so in
Sir_Brizz: did bins get updated?
s_20: Azalyn: the openarnea assets look like some 12 year old manga fan's wet dream
Azalyn: i like manga/anime. and i don't think those models are really that good.
s_20: you're also not 12 years old, are you? ;)
Azalyn: nope. :)
Sir_Brizz: LIES http://openarena.ws/crap/hd6.jpg
Sir_Brizz: THIS LOOKS AMAZAING AND HIGH RESOLUTION
Azalyn: the kyonshi models look decent. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/OpenArena-HoppingCorpse.jpg
Sir_Brizz: it has scantily clad women from marching band in it
Azalyn: the semi-nude female models are lame, honestly.
Megagun: needs more spacemarine
Sir_Brizz: a blue lady marching around with an almost lifelike skeleton man
Azalyn: the spiderhuman model is just retarded.
Sir_Brizz: BEST MODEL EVAR
Sir_Brizz: it's like a snapshot of a gun falling from the sky and the witch about to catch it
Azalyn: i suppose pink witch isn't too bad.. but feh.
Azalyn: i think they should hold votes for which models make it into the game and which dont.
Azalyn: and have some guidelines.
Megagun: I think someone should get md5 support in ioquake3
Azalyn: for what reason?
Megagun: Selfish ones, meaning that I can then fork OA and have it be populated with space marines: http://mooses.nl/sauer/visor/visor-snout-comparison.jpg ;)
Sir_Brizz: yes the big problem with something like openarena is that they always try to get everything in
Sir_Brizz: which is dumb
Megagun: Actually, the problem with OA is actually that it's too restricted (GPL only)
Sir_Brizz: that may be a problem with the source
Megagun: And the main dev has banned TRaK's textures from entering OA
Sir_Brizz: but I'm talking about the actual game
s_20: Megagun: you're not the first one bringing this up, there's xreal, i've heard it's currently more or less unmainatained though
Sir_Brizz: oh I guess that's true megagun
Megagun: And TRaK's fifth textureset is *very* pretty.
Sir_Brizz: I wish Epic would open source Unreal Engine 1
DeathCrawler: [MEM] 1050/3962 MB [SWAP] 0/990 MB
Azalyn: oh, md5 as in the model format....
Megagun: Wait, xreal is dead?
Azalyn: i thought you meant the hash algorithm...
Azalyn: i was like.. "wut?"
s_20: Megagun: that's what they said in #ioquake3 a while back, the main developer apparently more or less disappeared
Azalyn: yeah, i checked xreal's page the other day and they don't seem to be updating much :\
s_20: didn't check any of that though, it's just what i heard ;)
Azalyn: it's a shame
Megagun: Yeah. It looked quite advanced.
Azalyn: i'd have mentioned xreal like 5 times today and yesterday thus far, when the subject of opensource engines came up...
Azalyn: but since i knew it was dead
Azalyn: i didn't mention it :\
s_20: what abour sauerbraten? everyone always just talking about idtech
Azalyn: as for openarena being "too restricted" because it's gpl-only ... they don't really have a choice.
Azalyn: id released the engine as gpl
Megagun: Sauerbraten is a great engine, yes. Only you can't make overly complex maps with it.
Azalyn: so they have to keep the same license.
s_20: Azalyn: so?
Megagun: Azalyn: no. GPL engine and CC content works.
s_20: you can use whatever content you like
Azalyn: i didn't mean the content though.
s_20: there are even commercial games (at least one, i just plural here for dramatic purposes) that release the source but basically sell their assets
Azalyn: were you guys talking about the content of openarena? when you said it's gpl?
Azalyn: because that would be odd..
s_20: Azalyn: YES
Azalyn: gpl is a source code license, it can't really apply to art... :|
Azalyn: i'm not sure if it would stand up in court
Azalyn: when applied to art
s_20: Azalyn: that's what stupid about OA's policy ;)
Megagun: OA only accepts music in Tracker formats
Megagun: (.mod, .s3m, etc)
s_20: Megagun: leileilol isn't all that popular in #ioquake3 either
Azalyn: that's not all too bad. .mod is pretty sweet
Megagun: s_20: leileilol had some really old, strange problems with Timbo
Megagun: s_20: related to mouse acceleration or something. Quite strange. :P
s_20: Megagun: i think his hatred has spread from timbo to the whole ioq3 project ;)
Azalyn: that's the person that made those semi-nude models?
Megagun: Really though, q3min is where the good stuff is at.
Megagun: Even though it still uses far too much content from OA, it has a lot of nice tweaks to it.
Megagun: (and they're GPL only aswell)
Azalyn: what a shitty website
s_20: it's very 1997
Azalyn: more like one million years BC.
babai: bet its fully w3c compliant :)
Wipster: my eyes are bleeding
babai: then its definitely a bs design
Sir_Brizz: this isn't very 1997
Sir_Brizz: more like 1994
babai: i'm sure its written in vi
s_20: babai: so? vi doesn't stop you from using advanced css
Azalyn: vi is very sophisticated for any kind of editing task. and anyone who has the knowledge to use vi probably would have enough experience to make a better layout.
Azalyn: don't make light of vi.
Azalyn: you should've said frontpage or something if you were trying to think of a shitty editor.
babai: ya :)
NigeyUK: hey hey
NigeyUK: cementing sucks :(
Shunt31: anybody got the etqw demo?
DonScott: i do
NigeyUK: me too
NigeyUK: sound lagging dude ?
NigeyUK: ditch pulseaudio
NigeyUK: install alsa
NigeyUK: only way around it
DonScott: tell me more
DonScott: is a noob
NigeyUK: let me get link, it only just started happening on mine
NigeyUK: assuming you're using 10.4 ?
NigeyUK: oh scrap that wrong link
NigeyUK: 2 secs
DonScott: i only have the sound lag ingame lol
NigeyUK: there ya go
babai: ditch pulse audio, use alsa without pulse or use oss4 the best of the lot
NigeyUK: pain in the arse that pulse is STILL having problems though
Shunt31: too bad indicator-sound needs pulseaudio
Sir_Brizz: to be fair, most of the sound problems aren't really pulse's fault
DonScott: gonna try out et:qw now
maligor: yes, most of the sound problems are caused by gyrations of the earth
Sir_Brizz: most sound problems are caused by programs not using pulse
maligor: heh, right
NigeyUK: what exactly are the issues caused by though, is it latency or ... ?
Sir_Brizz: in this case, though, it's openAL
Sir_Brizz: the OpenAL integration with PulseAudio is really poor
Shunt31: DonScott: where did you get et:qw from?
maligor: Sir_Brizz, use the source, luke?
maligor: didn't know etqw used openal
maligor: I thought it used alsa and oss directly
NigeyUK: Shunt31, do you need the demo link ?
Shunt31: the zerowing one doesnt seem to work
NigeyUK: try that 1, if its to slow give mea yell ive got a few more here
Sir_Brizz: maligor: maybe, I thought it used OpenAL
Sir_Brizz: would make sense since I've had that same issue with UT (using OpenAL)
Shunt31: lets see what axel can get up to
Shunt31: got any faster links?
DonScott: works a LOT better now
DonScott: no sound lag at all
DonScott: although....i can still only play on only 2 servers because punkbuster is a punk.
DonScott: but it is a demo so no biggie
Shunt31: NigeyUK: thanks
DonScott: yeah thanks Nigey
NigeyUK: i didnt even install PB .. its a pain in the arse at the best of times
DonScott: i didn't either
Sir_Brizz: punkbuster is horrible
Shunt31: I have bad memories of PB with PR and BF2
NigeyUK: eugh bf2
jumbers: PunkBuster blows
jumbers: Too many false positives
vinc: I'm wondering when are expected to be published the results of windows vs gnu/linux benchmarks (not the opengl)?
DonScott: steam for linux confirmed !!! woooohooo !!! jusdt kidding http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYKM3jxX4EI&playnext_from=TL&videos=Muqehyx--zA&feature=sub
RambJoe: what you cant get the humble bundle now?
Sleepy_Coder: Confirmed Linux for Steam!!! wh0000
RambJoe: i was going to buy that so fuck them if they don't want my money :(
Sleepy_Coder: Punkbuster seems to work more by checking against a whitelist than maintaining a blacklist :( I would agree with the false-positive...ness.
Sleepy_Coder: Norton Syndrome :D
Modplan: Rambjoe you've had about 11 days to get it
RambJoe: don't see the point in not letting my buy it now though
RambJoe: ah well i'll just get it free
Modplan: the entire point was a limited time sale
Modplan: like when any other store does 2 for 1 temporary deals
Modplan: from the beginning they made it clear it was only going to last 7 days, then extended it by 3
Azalyn: i already have world of goo.
Azalyn: all i wanted apart from that was aquaria and penumbra.
RambJoe: meh i'll just buy it on steam when valve release it on linux
Azalyn: in the case of penumbra i think i'll just wait until it's on linux-steam. then i can get the one that has the first game and the sequel. the collection or whatever
Azalyn: and i'll probably do the same for aquaria if it's on steam.
Modplan: On steam it'll carry the Steam DRM. Not sure if they allow you to downlaod from them if you've bought it on stema
Azalyn: that's a misconception.
Azalyn: not all games function like that. especially the third party ones.
Modplan: no it isn't - getting a game through steam it'll force you to use steam
Modplan: you cannot launch the game without steam
Azalyn: yes it definitely is a misconception. you saw that behavior with a few titles and simply assumed it was universal, when it isnt. i have launched games without steam.
Modplan: which ones?
Azalyn: like for example, i bought guild wars through steam, and could launch it without steam.
Azalyn: and world of goo also.
Azalyn: some games integrate with steam and need it running, others do not. it is optional.
Modplan: then why teh hell does the free sam & max episode use it
Azalyn: also, given that penumbra's engine is opensource now, and aquaria's engine is going to be opensource shortly, i'll be able to compile the engines myself and use the datafiles from steam anyways. since even in cases when the game integrates with steam, it does so in the engine executable.
Azalyn: Modplan: because the developer of the sam & max games decided to integrate with steam
Sleepy_Coder: It will be fun to see how large the actual Linux gaming community is with all the statistics Valve usually collects.
Modplan: Azalyn but there's no reason to - they're giving away the demo
Modplan: not demo, game
Azalyn: guild wars probably decided it would be useless to do it, since it's already an online game. and you need a valid serial to play.
Azalyn: and world of goo is an indie game. indie devs are typically very anti-drm and anti-lockin
Azalyn: Modplan: well, there are other sam & max games/episodes, no? and the other ones cost money, don't they?
Sleepy_Coder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_(content_delivery)#Linux I love all the citations XD
Azalyn: they probably use the same source code.
Azalyn: so they basically just didn't remove the restrictions.
Azalyn: also, it's possible that even though it's free, they still want to ensure you get it from an authentic distribution source.
Modplan: Azalyn: ? What restrictions? They sell the game through other avenues
Azalyn: instead of getting a pirated version.
Modplan: Azalyn: It takes money to add the Steam DRM to the free version they;re giving away without DRM in the first place
Azalyn: yeah but like i said, there are other sam & max episodes on steam that do cost money, aren't there?
DonScott: i thought steamworks was free
Modplan: it doesn't matter that others are on steam and cost money, THEY'RE GIVING THE BLOODY EPISODE AWAY
Azalyn: yes it matters...
Azalyn: because the others probably use the same engine.
DonScott: they do
Modplan: THE ENGINE IS SEPERATE OF THE STEAMWORKS DRM
Modplan: the steamworks DRM as added after the fact, and is trivial to leave out when distributing the game via steam
Azalyn: it's a bit much to call it drm i think.. i mean serial numbers are way more annoying. steam just makes you go online once to verify, and then you can play offline.
Azalyn: Modplan: well, they had already added it for the *other* episodes... and when they released the free one, they forgot to remove it.
Azalyn: or just didn't think of it
Azalyn: didn't occur to them to remove it.
Daekdroom: That or they just enjoy bureaucracy
Modplan: *sigh* DRM is copy prevention. Steam stops you from distributing a complete working game, the entire point of DRM
DonScott: maybe you should e-mail them about it
Modplan: Nothing steam provides requires steamworks DRM
Daekdroom: and tieing the free game to Steam is a great way to make people depend on it.
Azalyn: well, whatever, why are you bitching to us about it?
Azalyn: go harass the developer.
DonScott: Modplan rage !!!
Azalyn: FFS eh? is that a new filesystem? ;)
r4: lol :P
Modplan: it was you who was arguing the point of why they'd leave it on/need it to begin with
Azalyn: i was attempting to provide some reasonable possible explanations, since you seemed like you were going to pop an artery over the issue any second.
Modplan: not really. I was annoyed at you going "well bitch to them even though I was arguing the point!"
Azalyn: it seemed to me that you were unaware of what circumstances would make them package a 'free' game with a dependency on steam. therefore, i tried to offer up some possibilities.
Azalyn: although in retrospect, i'm starting to wish i had just said "software development corporations are stupid" and just end it there. :)
NigeyUK: now now children play nice :P
Azalyn: fuck that. i'm annexing this playground.
Modplan: p.s. Don't make me angry. You won't like me when I'm angRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
Azalyn: i can rage too. watch this... -ahem-
Modplan: :o *runs away*
Azalyn: see? i'm totally ferocious.
christian_lappy: we will get no steam :-(
somename: o rly?
riisen: what !?
christian_lappy: is just kidding..could not resist
christian_lappy: anyway, hopefully its not going the ut3 way
riisen: slaps christian_lappy
RambJoe: how can i do export _POSIX2_VERSION=199209 as sudo
RambJoe: dw did sudo su
riisen: make it with a sh script :P
RambJoe: dman how do i play now lol
RambJoe: Failed to load 'Entry': Can't find file 'Entry'
RambJoe: Failed to load 'Level None.MyLevel': Can't find file 'Entry'
RambJoe: appError called:
RambJoe: Failed to enter Entry: Can't find file 'Entry'
RambJoe: Executing UObject::StaticShutdownAfterError
RambJoe: Executing USDLClient::ShutdownAfterError
RambJoe: Signal: SIGIOT [iot trap]
RambJoe: Name subsystem shut down
kbios: that's fine, I did that too
kbios: well, what's file "Entry"? That seems the crucial point.
kbios: Do you have it somewhere?
RambJoe: thats the file name
kbios: So it exists. May it be a PATH problem?
RambJoe: ah you have to decompress all the maps
kbios: o_O :-)
kbios: Did you know Lucanus was born i 39 and was killed in 65? Latin literature O_O
RambJoe: cool lol
kbios: exam coming...
giselher: No shiny OSX banner anymore, a step further to a linux client
christian_lappy: giselher: im getting doubts :-(
christian_lappy: giselher: those devs are terrible accurate not using the word linux
Nevtus: the gap to the left of the Featured Windows and Linux game tabs looks promising
Nevtus: but if I'm honest, I'm also doubting a Linux client any time soon (within the next few months) now
christian_lappy: Nevtus: where ?
Nevtus: underneath the large flash ads there is the "Featured PC Games" and "Featured Mac Games" then a lot of space left that another tab could take up
christian_lappy: to be honest, if steam doesn't happen now, gaming on linux will likelybe dead for yars
Nevtus: not left, right of the Mac tab
jrgp: anything new on the steam/linux front?
jrgp: is the client improving at all?
Modplan: not really. Maybe an update last night
jrgp: what's the current full command to run steam.sh? I can't find the LD_PRELOAD stuff
adrian_broher: http://openetherpad.com/ep/pad/view/0UmBOBf27q/latest you mean this?
jrgp: yes, thanks
c0bra: news on steam for linux?
DonScott: not really
c0bra: whats the latest?
Nevtus: nothing really
Japje: ive got some steam linux news
Japje: its not working...
c0bra: not funny..
Japje: but alfred has it working
Japje: just.. i dont.. so thats news
adrian_broher: what about: "Linux on Steam: CONFIRMED!"
c0bra: i know that
Japje: c0bra: that valve picture
Nevtus: oh no
jrgp: phoronix didn't cite its sources
Japje: with gabe, alfred and.. whatsisname
Wicked: the latest news is the same news about steam on linux last year. no one knows
c0bra: what valve pic?
Japje: guys help me oud here
Japje: the one with the ipad
Wicked: we all want it....but no solid answer as if we will get it
Japje: i got the link from this chan
DonScott: Gabe kinda looks like the linux penguin.....CONFIRMED !
Flyser_: damn ;)
Japje: thats the one
rsk: i love how my topic i set yest
rsk: erday is still there <3
DonScott: we're just too lazy to change it.
Japje: in my twisted little head thats not macosx but just ubuntu with a mac skin
rsk: don't say that
crack3r: tux on the desk
Japje: but no1 believes me :(
Nevtus: it's not tux
c0bra: thort that was a mac
Japje: its a mac mini running ubuntu with an macosx skin
Japje: i hope
DonScott: hope is denied
c0bra: how do you know its a skin
Nevtus: what application is that running behind firefox?
Japje: looks like itunes running in wine
Japje: you believe me right? :(
jrgp: that is impossible
jrgp: itunes doesn't work at all under wine
Japje: its alfred! he can make it work
Japje: he send headcrabs to apple and forced them to make it work
s_20: isn't that penguin just one of the penguins from madagascar?
c0bra: nah, dont look like it is running in wine to me
Nevtus: it must be a really tall guy taking the picture
Japje: and that ipad is fake too. The original picture was with gabe holding a book, gaming for dummy's
Nevtus: s_20: yes
Japje: but the changed it to make him look cool
Japje: aah frell it.. its never gonne come :(
DonScott: i think it'll come....just not until next year.
Nevtus: if it were going to come, why wait so long?
DonScott: bugs.....testing......testing of the distros it'll work on.....money
Nevtus: they don't need a year for that
DonScott: money being the biggest motivational one
Nevtus: you mean money for development or what money they'd make from it?
NigeyUK: i think our version may be dependant on the mac version, ive a sneaky feeling the mac is a trial run / testbed for how well the linux version might work
DonScott: Nevtus : both
NigeyUK: the easier the transition to mac, the quicker we see a linux version, and mactards being thick as fuck, we will be waiting a long time! :p
Nevtus: if that's true then we're doomed - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCEQZ_4V7NY
Ivanovic: NigeyUK: since the technical issues from mac and linux version are likely to be similar: let them fix the mac version of steam first so that there will be a lovely stable one for linux
NigeyUK: pmsl with idiots like that dude we're totally screwed dude
Ivanovic: (stuff like eg case sensitiveness can be a real blocker)
DonScott: lol king mactard
NigeyUK: aye, lets use the mac gimps as guinea pigs, im all for that m8 ;)
DonScott: he can upload a youtube video but can't download a game
Ivanovic: this way the mac people are at least usefull *once*
Nevtus: or read the video card specs
NigeyUK: haha yeah, kinda helps
NigeyUK: the pm i got from rbarris yesterday seemed to indicate that this is whats happening, get the mac shit working first so linux can be rolled out
Nevtus: so he hinted at a linux client?
Nevtus: well, one that would be finished and released
NigeyUK: he hinted that a proof of concept would make sense
NigeyUK: That would be a strategic / marketing decision. I'm a contractor on the GL module.. offsite at that.
NigeyUK: It would make sense that if they were trying to make a decision, they might do a proof of concept first. They probably also want to see how the Mac effort pans out, which could take a while.
NigeyUK: very careful with his words as you can see
DonScott: a.k.a. if Mac goes well we will most likely see linux
NigeyUK: yeah thats what i read into it..
DonScott: because.....mac is the prototype
NigeyUK: but with these mactards being dense as hell, we got no chance lol
Wicked: yea. if they are the deciding factor for bringing it to linux.......
Daekdroom: Linux users are used to having to use bleeding edge, so whatever.
Nevtus: haha, we're so screwed then
Wicked: we are all doomed
NigeyUK: Daekdroom, exactly, hell, give us some ndas to sign and im sure a few of us can help them get the dam client working!
NigeyUK: use the linux guys, dont ignore us :(
DonScott: send them your resume.......
NigeyUK: haha not me dude, i cant code for shit, but the linux community has a huuuuuuuuuge pool of talent valve could call upon
Wicked: but *alot* of them are oss nuts
Nevtus: and people that would happily test alpha level software for little/no pay
Wicked: and wont touch it simply because its not foss
DonScott: who said anything about coding ?
DonScott: beta resume
NigeyUK: good point
SageX: what about alsa
DonScott: what about it ?
SageX: but *alot* of them are oss nuts
NigeyUK: think he meant open source software not open sound
Wicked: open source software...not open sound system ;)
SageX: sigh of relief
Daekdroom: Time to risk compiling my own kernel.
Wicked: but dont get me started on linux sound systems.
Wicked: its one weakness of linux
SageX: you have to set it up
SageX: but after that
Wicked: to open....every couple years they decide "oh hey lets rewrite it all!...but this time it wont suck"
SageX: gtfo with pulseaudio
maligor: libasound could do with a rewrite
Wicked: heh. people bitch about pulse...but....it works for me
NigeyUK: works fine for me, just not on games
SageX: alsa is superior
NigeyUK: when it does its very err..random
DonScott: pulse audio need to work better with everything
Wicked: it doesnt cause me alot of grief...i no longer have to do "killall artsd" several times a day to free my sound card
SageX: I deleted pulseaudio
willwh: pulse works for me nicely too
Daekdroom: Does anyone have a link to a fresh howto compile a kernel? I don't have the list of packages I should install in order to do so.
DonScott: all I know....is that I would fire my gun in ET:QW and maybe if i was lucky I would be able to hear it 30 seconds later with pulse audio
maligor: Daekdroom, on what?
NigeyUK: list of pre-requisites
Daekdroom: Thank you :D
maligor: on debian and derivates you probably just want build-essential and kernel-package
Daekdroom: I should expect everything else to be installed already?
maligor: build-essential is a metapackage
Daekdroom: I noticed, I just aptitude'd it
maligor: just configure the kernel and run 'make-kpkg kernel_image' then
maligor: if it was some debian setup
maligor: or ubuntu or mint or whatever
Clouse: Hi there all I have a; 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller : ATI Technologies Inc M56P [Radeon Mobility X1600] [1002:71c5] do I have a chance at getting over 30fps in Alien Invasion?
Sleepy_Coder: drools during the wait for Gish source
Sleepy_Coder: Gishy sourceyness.
Sleepy_Coder: focuses his attention on building a shrine to Gish
eNTi: hi. is anyone of you using a 5770 to play games on linux. i'm especially interested in the heroes of newerth performance.
Clouse: I also should mention that I am running the Radeon Gallium3D from http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/radeon/ubuntu on Ubuntu 10.04 and only averaging around 10fps is there any more I could be doing? Like maybe a special xorg.conf? Or perhaps something else
DonScott: in case anyone hasn't seen it yet. The Linux Action Show is up. http://www.youtube.com/user/jupiterbroadcasting
Aondo: sad time for games on linux? not really :D
Aondo: likes his hon
Ivanovic: Clouse: honestly i'd recommend you try the "plain" r300 driver first
Ivanovic: the problem with the gallium driver that you are currently using is that it is extremely outdated (progress is rapid and the mesa version shipped by default in ubuntu is rather ancient already)
Clouse: Ivanovic: Ok thanks heaps, I have spent weeks on thins and I am just wanting so bad to be pointed in the right direction can you direct me to the site so that I get the correct one please?
Ivanovic: Clouse: no, i don't use ubuntu
Ivanovic: you could try to get some git build from somewhere
Clouse: Ivanovic: Ok thankyou again.
nikakoi: hi there
Daekdroom: Clouse google xorg-edgers ppa
Clouse: Daekdroom: Yar thanks for the suggestion. doing is now.
Clouse: Ok then so I have previously install Gallium3D drivers from http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/radeon/ubuntu now how do I completely purge them so I am back to default 10.04?
Daekdroom: install the ppa-purge package and do sudo ppa-purge xorg-edgers
Sir_Brizz: a little confusing why apt-add-repository exists by default but not ppa-purge
RambJoe: wha tis?
The_Muh: announcement by valve?
RambJoe: deathcrawler: confirmed?
DeathCrawler: RambJoe: joke. :P
RambJoe: aww hell naww
Nevtus: was that game any good, I remember following it up to release then never hearing much about it again?
DeathCrawler: gitano|RIP_Dio: Dio...
gitano|RIP_Dio: ya :'/
gitano|RIP_Dio: Nevtus: UT3? u mean that UE3 tech demo? :p
DeathCrawler: Valve monopoly in Linux, this is the future.
asraniel: at least they will break the ID monopoly
DeathCrawler: Gaems only in steam
DeathCrawler: better than nothing
Nevtus: at least it would get the games using OpenGL over DirectX only
DeathCrawler: OpenGL 4 is nice
Daekdroom: And maybe someday they'll decide to make OpenGL an option including on windows
DeathCrawler: OpenGL in Windows... sucks.
Sir_Brizz: not on nVidia
Sir_Brizz: but maybe more than DirectX
DeathCrawler: man, i'm so excited to play torchlight... in linux
Daekdroom: I can barely run it on Windows.. Bleh.. I won't even try with radeon driver
DeathCrawler: ill get orange box and torchlight in the beginning
kurros: Why do you assume torchlight is being potted?
DeathCrawler: kurros: i hope
kurros: The os x version has been announced for many months before steam for mac. They say no linux version is in the works.
kurros: I think we are stuck with wine
kurros: Would be cool though
Nevtus: a port could come later if the linux client were successful.
DeathCrawler: kurros: They denied a version for Linux?
kurros: On my iPhone so can't link the exact wording easily. It was on their FAQ page
DeathCrawler: nothing is spoken about this
DeathCrawler: "We have not made any decisions regarding versions on any other platforms as of this time."
Nevtus: makes sense, that's what most companies say about ports. They never rule them it, just that they aren't currently planned
Nevtus: *them out
s_20: Nevtus: let's ask microsoft about office for linux
DeathCrawler: MS Office is a monopoly weapon of MS
Nevtus: if linux became big in the desktop, it could happen. There is MS Office for Mac afterall and it only has 5% or whatever
s_20: which would be heaven sent :/
s_20: over the years i've developed nothing but hate for oo.org
Nevtus: I like AbiWord
DeathCrawler: Nevtus: Mac OS X is only for Macs, in theory dont run in a normal PC
DeathCrawler: Apple dont hurt MS
s_20: i'm gonna learn tex for bachelor thesis, i'm not gonna go through oo.org hell again
Nevtus: s_20: LaTeX is the way to go for real document writing
DeathCrawler: OOo meets my needs
s_20: Nevtus: i know
s_20: DeathCrawler: if only it weren'T so god aweful slow and buggy
DeathCrawler: SoftMaker Office
DeathCrawler: Use it
s_20: the only nice thing about it is that it integrates well with kde these days
Nevtus: I only have OpenOffice installed for the occasional powerpoint I have to open
s_20: that's kinda of a euphemism really
s_20: it's not butt ugly anymore seems more appropriate
s_20: *kind of
micket: Any of you guys tried the new blender alpha?
Nevtus: micket: I was using it earlier
Nevtus: I do quite a bit of 3D modelling these days
Nevtus: the alpha version on blender.org is quite old now, you should use a recent svn version if you're not already
micket: Nevtus: Quick question, i think i'm experiencing some bugs, but, I can't seem to right click anywhere, so i can't split the views as i did in earlier versions (waaay back)
Nevtus: for the view splitting click at the top right and drag to the left
micket: Perfect. thanks
Nevtus: merging panels is a bit trickier. you do the same thing but move to the panel you want rid of and an arrow appears
Nevtus: it's still a bit buggy though and doesn't always work
mikeplus64: also lol'd.
Nevtus: why does the liquid go at an angle after leaving the blue portal. It's getting poured straight.
mikeplus64: I'm fairly sure the instructions were to /not/ think about how it works.
Nevtus: I assumed they were about portal technology and not phyiscs
The_Muh: Nevtus: glados correct the physics
mikeplus64: cups his ears and sings "Lalalalalalala!" in order to suspend his disbelief.
Nevtus: *phyiscs == physics
Nevtus: I guess sleep deprivation is catching up with me
riisen: hahaha loved the portal pic <33
mikeplus64: So THAT's how it is!
Varkk: portal is great, I hope it is still free if/when the linux steam client comes out
s_20: Varkk: clever people taht don't own portal already should get a steam account *now* and play it natively later
Nevtus: Varkk: use steam in wine to add it your account now just in case it isn't
Varkk: yeah, I grabbed the windows version over the weekend on my win7 machine
Varkk: but would rather play in a native linux environment
Nevtus: so what are you worrying about? You'll get the native binary to whatever platform Steam is running on and supports
Varkk: I just wonder if after the 24th the linux version will be free for those who already have a copy for mac or win
Nevtus: Varkk: if Steam comes you'll be able to play it as you now "own" portal in your steam account
RambJoe: ut99 on linux is amazing
RambJoe: it looks so much better and smoother than it does on windows
gitano|RIP_Dio: wants moar conspiracies
RambJoe: is it bad if one of my monitors flickers when i have dark stuff on the screen
RambJoe: i only got it a few weeks ago D:
Modplan: Rambjoe yes, throw it out the window before it self destructs in 5 seconds
RambJoe: could i send it back?
gitano|RIP_Dio: RambJoe: nah, it probably just wants to see some more daylight?
gitano|RIP_Dio: (e.g. open the curtain from time to time :D)
RambJoe: daylight lol?
riisen: RambJoe, if you got it a few weeks ago im pretty sure you can send it back xD
RambJoe: thanks :)
RambJoe: i have a screen exacly the same as it sitting next to it which i got a few weeks after and taht works fine
gitano|RIP_Dio: yeah, that thing outside the earth causing that bloody brightness xD
riisen: gitano|RIP_Dio, roflmao
RambJoe: could it be because im using VGA thuogh
gitano|RIP_Dio: vga -> dvi?
Varkk: refresh rate?
RambJoe: um think my graphics card has dvi
RambJoe: but monitor is vga
Varkk: can you up it to 75 or something,I have found some monitors are funny if the input signal is 60
RambJoe: think 60 is max :(
gitano|RIP_Dio: RambJoe: if it is an asus by any chance: send it back
gitano|RIP_Dio: did that once with his vw222, no problem at all
gitano|RIP_Dio: ups collected it, and sent a brand new one within a week, all covered by asus
RambJoe: ut99 sound doesnt work :(
SageX: lol pulseaudio
Modplan: 'nother steam client update
Modplan: 24,604 KB
Modplan: don't have vgui patch applied at moment (started afresh) so still segfaults
Modplan: need the more knowledgeable peeps to take a look at it
Gnurdux: how has the steam client been behaving recently?
Gnurdux: does it render text?
DonScott: it's been quiet today
DonScott: a little too quiet
Wicked: that can only mean one thing....
Wicked: steam on linux is confirmed!
Modplan: steam client still doesn't render text. probably be a while for the public versions.
jrgp: when the lin client downloads an update, is it really updating itself or is it just a facade?
DonScott: it's sentient I tell ya
SimmyD: how chiki wow wowwww
SimmyD: sup fellas
jumbers: So the ComputerWorld editor seems to have ignored me
kurros: i'm starting to see movies on Netflix that are available in HD on the desktop but not on the Roku/360
kurros: studios are weird
jumbers: That doesn't make sense. I was under the impression that HD is NOT available on the desktop from Netflix
Modplan: what do you expect, they even stop their own promotional material from being played in other countries
SimmyD: stupid americans
SimmyD: cant get netflix
kurros: jumbers, they just started rolling it out this past week
kurros: but it requires different licensing agreements so not available on all the titles that were available in HD to the set top boxes. and now it appears there are some that go the other way, too
kurros: HD roulette
Sir_Brizz: well keep in mind that Roku at least is using some proprietary filter
Sir_Brizz: Netflix doesn't technically work in Linud
jumbers: It can work, the studios just don't want it to
jumbers: I think Steam coming will legitimize Linux as a platform to developers
Sir_Brizz: obviously it CAN work
Sir_Brizz: Roku works
Varkk: do we have any clue as to when linux Steam is actually going to drop?
Sir_Brizz: wait yes
Sir_Brizz: just kidding, we don't
jumbers: My best guess is late November, by the time Portal 2 comes out
mikeplus64: What real- damn you.
SimmyD: Varkk: about 52.6 days ;)
jumbers: I don't think Valve will want to miss the Christmas buying train
mikeplus64: Choo choo.
jumbers: That's why they're giving away Portal
jumbers: It's like the drug dealer giving out a free sample of the cocaine
The_Muh: a great yeah for linux & open source
Sir_Brizz: I think it would be wise for them to have it ready in time for Portal 2
Sir_Brizz: having a cross platform launch title would kick start massive sales
Varkk: I would hope they launch before that to give it time to settle in and sort out early problems before a major title release
jumbers: Well, that's why I said "by the time Portal 2 comes out". It should be beforehand
jumbers: I would hope
SimmyD: like asap please
jumbers: I'm just stating that if they take longer than Portal 2, it may hurt them a bit because they'll have missed the hype of the "new thing" and disappointed people
kurros: disappointed who? they havent even announced steam for linux
jumbers: They've built this hype, likely on purpose
kurros: you mean phoronix built this hype
jumbers: Valve could have taken down the files and said something like "That was a mistake, we have no plans sorry"
jumbers: They took them down and put them back up
jumbers: Clearly knowing what they were doing
Varkk: Not just Phoronix, I think in the Guardian article about the Mac launch there was a by-line where they said a Linux client was also coming
jumbers: ComputerWorld says it's in closed beta :|
jumbers: I wrote to the editor and he's ignored me
kurros: both of which were obviously following phoronix
kurros: great for michael of course
jumbers: No, ComputerWorld fabricated that on their own
jumbers: Nowhere did anybody else say that it's in closed beta
kurros: the sentence before it was a link to phoronix...
kurros: poor choice of words sure but fabrication is right
kurros: valve has said nothing to either of them about linux
SimmyD: you would think valve would have denied it strait away if it wasnt happening
SimmyD: if they let it go on like this
SimmyD: and then say no later
SimmyD: very bad rep
kurros: you act like either of them asked valve
jumbers: This thing is not even close to Alpha yet
jumbers: The claim of closed beta was clearly fabricated by this ComputerWorld blogger fishing for clicks
Sir_Brizz: kurros: are you kidding? everyone has asked Valve by now
Sir_Brizz: and they haven't said anything
Sir_Brizz: and you know what they say about silence
SimmyD: barstads :P
SimmyD: silence == yells yes
jumbers: Supposedly, somebody emailed The Telegraph and they claimed that Valve had contacted them
Rednaxela: But the "in the coming months" part seems particularly dubious
jumbers: I can say I trust a UK newspaper more than Mr. ComputerWorld Closed Beta
Rednaxela: Yeah, I'd say the claim by The Telegraph is the most credible thing I've seen (besides the downloads directly from Valve that ANYONE can verify)
Rednaxela: But I can't imagine "in the coming months" being the case without a kind of skewed/atypical definition of "the coming months"
DonScott: i think they want to see how much it would be wanted on linux....it's really not a big matter of coding ......it's a matter of linux adoption to the marketing department.
jumbers: Is that loading slow for anybody?
jumbers: It's not showing up for me
ackondro: timing out here
jumbers: Maybe Valve is getting hammered?
Rednaxela: Loaded fast here
The_Muh: valve wants smart... while programming the new interface, they should implement the Mac OS- and Linux-stuff - less work, more fun
The_Muh: or complete re-writing of steam: sdl, gtk, webkit - runs everywhere
Rednaxela: And yeah, "Valve Time" there is what makes the Telegraph's "in the coming months" sound perhaps authentic
jumbers: But then Windows users will complain about GTK taking up a couple of megabytes on their computer
jumbers: Hopefully it's better than "in the coming weeks"
SimmyD: its not using gtk :\
jumbers: Because that one was a failure
SimmyD: from what we saw right?
jrgp: and even if it was using gtk, windows users seem fine with the gtk runtime installed with pidgin/gimp/inkscape/etc
The_Muh: jumbers: 20mb? maybe 30mb? install portal, hl2, hl2 ep1, hl2 ep2, cs:s, l4d and l4d2 - then 20mb less or more dont care
jumbers: jrgp: Most Windows users don't use those programs
jumbers: The_Muh: They would still find something to whine about
jrgp: jumbers: audacity then
The_Muh: or using XUL *lol*
jrgp: er nvm that's wx
jumbers: Let's all run BeOS and tell Valve we want Steam for BeOS
jumbers: Or OS/2
The_Muh: writing some Haikus about portal ...
jumbers: jrgp: Or, Christmas 2007
jumbers: Christmas of 2007 Coincident with the Rapture
jumbers: If you don't realize what that's from, it's the release date for HL2: Ep. 3
The_Muh: i know how to speed up the developement
jumbers: Each of those dates in the table coincides with a product
The_Muh: using a goddamn crowbar
jumbers: I have a crowbar by my bed
jrgp: is it orange?
Rednaxela: Got to be careful with the crowbar The_Muh. Trying too hard could stop it
The_Muh: Rednaxela: then i will kill all developers, stealing the code and release it as Open SOurce...
jrgp: I should totally show off my half life fanship by sleeping with a crowbar under my pillow.
jumbers: Though apparently "Sure, I'll make this happen." means 15 minutes later
The_Muh: whats your guess? how much money we need to buy valve?
Rednaxela: I postulate that Valve gets periodically stuck in a gravity well
Rednaxela: Only explanation for Valve time
Modplan: guys it'll never happen, Micro$oft and Crapple wanna keep linux down
kurros: i'd guess at least 700 million
The_Muh: kurros: damn
jelso: Valve doesn't want Micro$oft and Crapple calling the shots
jelso: HENCE LINUX CONFIRMED
Modplan: yeah but M$ and Crapple will just buy sahres in valve, plus the fact we keep talking about it when valve doesn't want us too
The_Muh: Modplan: google dont like M$ - but google likes linux
The_Muh: and google have more money =)
jumbers: A lifetime supply of twinies
Rednaxela: If they didn't want us talking about it Modplan, they wouldn't leave the linux build downloads up
jelso: Google should buy Valve
jumbers: No thanks
Modplan: if we stop talking about it and pretend Linux doesn't exist, they'll think Linux isn't a threat and stop paying off Valve and Valve will be happy we haven't spoilt their plans
mikeplus64: Since when were they paying off Valve?
The_Muh: jelso: google should buy MS - and stop releasing any kind of patch
jumbers: You're still convinced there is no Steam for Linux?
Modplan: lol i was parodying phoronix forum users
Modplan: evidently it was too good a parody :p
jelso: Heh... Google would never buy MS... anchor around its neck
mikeplus64: Sarcasm doesn't travel well here.
The_Muh: jelso: damn. maybe google buys adobe...
Rednaxela: Modplan, Ahh good. So you're not quite a crackpot :)
Varkk: maybe google buys you
The_Muh: Varkk: would work for google
jelso: google buying me would be cool
jelso: $10k and I get to hang out in their cafeteria
Modplan: mikeplus64 you should invest in a sarc mark
jumbers: What a ripoff
Rednaxela: Google buying MS would result in the biggest antitrust case EVER
mikeplus64: In Soviet Russia?
jumbers: I propose the return of the interrobang
The_Muh: but - at the first of august i'll work for the greatest german car-company
jelso: GERMAN CAR COMPANY > LINUS TORVALDS IS FROM EUROPE > LINUX CONFIRMED
kurros: Volkswagen Group?
The_Muh: kurros: yup. volkswagen... okay - i would buy (and drive) a peugot ... but y not
kurros: i thought new hires automatically got an Audi R8 V10
jumbers: Isn't that french?
kurros: you should check on that
The_Muh: jumbers: dont like german cars
The_Muh: looks ugly
The_Muh: sure, i'll get 10% discount for VW-cars... but they're still looks ugly
The_Muh: do you like german cars?
kurros: me? yes
The_Muh: or german beer?
kurros: not beer :)
The_Muh: (i like irish beer... kilkenny ftw)
SimmyD: guinness ftw
The_Muh: was born in the wrong country...
The_Muh: all here sucks... people, politics, education, tv, history...
Rednaxela: The_Muh: Be glad that you had neither Jean Chretien, nor George W Bush?
The_Muh: we have CDU - thats worst
The_Muh: and now i feel that i havent sleepd since a week...