SimmyD: as400 suck ballz
jumbers: Interesting: http://supportwiki.steampowered.com/wiki/Steam_for_Linux
jumbers: The KB article linked to by that page is not available anymore
jumbers: I believe the article it linked to mentioned that there were no plans for a Linux client
giselher: It seems I missed the funny part yesterday, like "STEAM FOR LINUX CONFIRMED"
Sleepy_Coder: CONFIRMED FOR CONFIRMED CONFIRMED
Sleepy_Coder: jumbers: http://supportwiki.steampowered.com/w/index.php?title=Steam_for_Linux&action=history Don't see any recent edits... :o
jumbers: But the article it links to
jumbers: It now gone
Sleepy_Coder: hmm funkeh
Sleepy_Coder: http://kotaku.com/5537835/report-reckons-steam-coming-to-linux-too lah lah lah lah lah...
Sleepy_Coder: I kind of hate it when I turn the settings down on a game only to experience even worse framerates :(
Sleepy_Coder: This shader-specific hardware is killing my love of games.
Sleepy_Coder: (Or that's how it seems?)
Sleepy_Coder: I get better framerates with antialiasing enabled @ 4x rather than disabled entirely, but worse if I 16x
Sleepy_Coder: Funkeh.
Sleepy_Coder: parabola
giselher: jumbers: do you mean the article, which describes to run Steam with wine?
jumbers: giselher: This article http://support.steampowered.com/cgi-bin/steampowered.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=84
jumbers: Is now gone
jumbers: From http://supportwiki.steampowered.com/wiki/Steam_for_Linux
eXlin: hmm... interesting
eXlin: http://supportwiki.steampowered.com/wiki/Steam_for_Linux now discribes about server stuff
giselher: http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_under_Linux
r4: they wont announce anything for at least a week
r4: dont want to steal mac's thunder
jumbers: I can type on multiple channels at once
somename: seems that public_all.zip got updated
somename: checksum isnt the same
Sleepy_Coder: I'll laugh if they're internally playing a fully-working client and just updating this minorly to fuck with us :p
Sleepy_Coder: "Lol we trolled Phoronix so hard yesterday. We changed the checksum 8 times :D"
Sleepy_Coder: "Yeah, this client was from 2007... silly Linux users"
Ivanovic: Sleepy_Coder: honestly i would not be suprised if they had a fully working one internaly
Ivanovic: Sleepy_Coder: and just changed some vital bits to make it not run nicely
Ivanovic: (like eg z depth for fonts so that it is lower than the depth of the windows
Ivanovic: yes, this is the best and cheapest advertisement valve can get in the linux community
Sleepy_Coder: Really, they've been playing on OpenGL the whole time, DirectX has been the hard part :p
Sleepy_Coder: (lol)
Sleepy_Coder: it is much too close to the expected release time...range? for them to have a client not work this badly
Sleepy_Coder: I mean it works... but there seems to be a lot lacking :>
Ivanovic: like i said, i would not be suprised about some changes to make users "hack" it
markatto: the other thing is that the things that are lacking are both minor and cause major issues
markatto: like the case-sensitivity
markatto: they are things that they would have fixed
Ivanovic: the problematic things are case sensitiveness (which seems to be a problem on mac, too!)
Ivanovic: as well as missing fonts, which is an easy to create scenario if you want to show something without *really* showing things (since this one is not easy to find by some disassembling)
eXlin: I want to ask a question and i want honest answer. Is there some1 who hijacked my steam account?
eXlin: I would apreciate if one would return it to me or even change email address back what it were (hirvonen.henri@gmail.com)
giselher: eXlin: Is hijacking a steam account that easy?
eXlin: it is if i have accidentally posted my password to pastebin
eXlin: i googled it. and found....
eXlin: i had xxxx my username and password expect from one line what i missed
giselher: Uh, sounds bad,
Sleepy_Coder: (09:23:31) < Ivanovic> the problematic things are case sensitiveness (which seems to be a problem on mac, too!) <-- Because of Silly NTFS :(
Sleepy_Coder: Well actually NTFS is case-sensitive, but Windows is not.
somename: its called OTFS for years
eXlin: ofc some1 could have found it throught google too, but it makes me believe still that one who stole it has been in this irc..
Sleepy_Coder: Why not contact Valve about that? :x
eXlin: i have, yesterday morning....
Sleepy_Coder: No word yet>?
eXlin: but they havent answered it yet
eXlin: yea
Sleepy_Coder: Probably too busy playing with the Linux Steam Client :(
Sleepy_Coder: "Haha, we gots Portal :D"
eXlin: lol
Ivanovic: eXlin: this chan is logged in public
Ivanovic: everyone reading the logs could be it
eXlin: true
eXlin: i know that, but od's are that if some1 is reading those log's it is because he/she would be often there but wanted to see what happened.
Flyser_mobile: http://store.steampowered.com/freeportal/ neat :)
eXlin: nice
somename: i'm imagining a penguin who is throwing an apple at a window
eXlin: what are most common places ppl try to sell steam account's? i checked ebay allready.
giselher: I have a problem with gnome shell, can't start it, because of some missing *.desktop files. Any Ideas?
eXlin: odd. those are just shortcuts
Sleepy_Coder: eXlin: Have they already changed the contact email address?
eXlin: yes
Sleepy_Coder: eek
eXlin: like 5mins after they changed password
eXlin: i got email to my original email address from both events
eXlin: too bad i am not awake usualy around 5am
Sleepy_Coder: I'm surprised it doesn't let you cancel that
Sleepy_Coder: It only gives you a few hours?
eXlin: well i waked up 2 hours after all had happened
eXlin: was late like 30mins from work cause i make support request to valve right away
eXlin: made*
Sleepy_Coder: eek
christian_lappy: ouch, the topic is not nice
mastertheknife: yeah whats going on with that, lol
giselher: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14913464&postcount=738
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: hopefully michaellarabel didn't simply copy the telegraph news ?!?!?!
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: which could be terrible wrong
giselher: hopefully the telegraph did not simply copy phoronix
asraniel: still no mae culpa from phoronix? they should at least remove that last news from the frontpage...
asraniel: giselher: i'm pretty sure they copied phoronix
burra: i deamt up my own conspiracy theory this night. Penguin is Linux, Allen keys are 11, and Red is red october :D
christian_lappy: stop this burra :-)
burra: lol
christian_lappy: asraniel: if that was wrong form phoronix then......WUUUUAAAAHHHHH
ragix: Did the todays steam update shrink by about 14mb?
christian_lappy: which one ?
mastertheknife: christian_lappy: its not wrong, michaellarabel knows, he just can't tell yet
asraniel: christian_lappy: what makes you think they are not wrong, except the rumours they spread themself
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: then he should not post confirmed until he can confirm it
mastertheknife: christian_lappy: I agree though that naming the article different would be less misleading
Ivanovic: christian_lappy: lets think this way:
christian_lappy: i read the headline and felt great
Ivanovic: 1) he has some contact to valve and they told him explicitly when he can announce the "real" thing (maybe being exclusive with the official valce announcement?)
christian_lappy: then moved to steam website..nothing....strANGE
Ivanovic: 2) valve explicitly told him that he is not allowed to post anything from them before they allow it
burra: is 11 october, columbus day?
Ivanovic: 3) he finds a source that *does* say "yeah, linux support will come, official news from valve"
Ivanovic: based on 3) even with 1+2 he *can* write an article since he just does link the sources from 3 even though they do not reference any real results
christian_lappy: mhhhh...
christian_lappy: sounds logical
christian_lappy: i still had wrttine..regarding to ana article.....
christian_lappy: in the headline
mastertheknife: based on that information, official announcement is not far away
mastertheknife: it will probably happen next week
christian_lappy: i *pray* for that
mastertheknife: to avoid stealing the focus from the mac
asraniel: i doubt a linux announcement would remove the focus. if anything, it would create even bigger news for steam
christian_lappy: i'm still not 100% sure :-(
christian_lappy: guerilla marketing from valve maybe ;-)
mastertheknife: asraniel: yeah you have a point :P
mastertheknife: asraniel: depending on the timing, it can be a bomb
somename: we should really kidnap a steam developer and ask him questions
mastertheknife: lol
mastertheknife: you know
mastertheknife: i am reading the new mac subforum
mastertheknife: its funny how some of them complain
mastertheknife: that the client is bad and doesn't follow OSX guidelines because it doesn't look and feel like an OSX program
burra: anybody up for some more concpiricy ?
mastertheknife: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1262853
mastertheknife: burra: sure
somename: they could be happy that they get at least a steam client
somename: which is working
burra: mastertheknife: i touhgt about the picture it says they flip the switch. hmm strange so I flipped the image.
burra: why is the poster upside down to start with
burra: and all the elevens everywhere
burra: and the date and clock on the t-shirt
burra: 11:31 on ipad?
burra: did they release it 11:31?
mastertheknife: no idea
burra: the dell monitor does not say dell. de is gone and it only say ll
christian_lappy: pot a pic please
burra: pot??
somename: +s
burra: http://media.steampowered.com/apps/mac/MacSteam_AlfredJasonGabe.jpg
somename: the penguin below it ate "DE".. oh noes
burra: try and flip the image upside down
burra: then the poster is the rihgt way.
Galaxy|: the Dell logo is reflective
Galaxy|: depending on the angle you won't see all of it
Galaxy|: ive seen a couple versions of this pic and something in it changes every time I look at it
Galaxy|: :\
mastertheknife: by the way
mastertheknife: Portal free until 24th may
somename: yeah, i know
mastertheknife: that does mean i can play Portal for free until may 24th, or get it for free until may 24th?
cmdrk: been wondering that myself
somename: its yours forever
dusty_fox: mastertheknife: get it free
mastertheknife: oh awesome.. thanks
mastertheknife: let me fire up steam xD
dusty_fox: hell, make an account for your mom and get her one xD
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: rofl
mastertheknife: heh
mastertheknife: I have 2 steam accounts of which one of them is VAC banned, lol
mastertheknife: Its not a good idea to let your brother play on your account
dusty_fox: *waves finger* tsk tsk
christian_lappy: lol
christian_lappy: cheater
mastertheknife: ever since he got my account banned i just made him a separate account with CS 1.6 only
mastertheknife: Portal: The First Slice
christian_lappy: zzzz *kids*
mastertheknife: this one ?
dusty_fox: no
dusty_fox: that's the demo
somename: thats the demo
dusty_fox: http://store.steampowered.com/freeportal/
mastertheknife: oh thanks
dusty_fox: is spreading the portal love
eddieate: stop spreading love on my portal!
dusty_fox: eddieate: you know you like it!
eddieate: ;)
dusty_fox: now put those straps back on
mastertheknife: the strange thing about portal
eddieate: Lowering the tone since 1988
mastertheknife: is that it doesn't stay in my library
mastertheknife: it stays if its being downloaded
dusty_fox: really? that's weird
mastertheknife: but if i pause download and click "Delete local files"
mastertheknife: its gone
dusty_fox: is it done being downloaded?
mastertheknife: restarting steam
mastertheknife: okay nevermind restarting steam fixed it
mastertheknife: :)
dusty_fox: yeah, usually that does the trick
meGenius: how is everybody here??
somename: nope
dusty_fox: trying to fall asleep
meGenius: dusty_fox: what time is it there now??
dusty_fox: meGenius: 2:22 am
mastertheknife: wow late
mastertheknife: 12:23 PM here
dusty_fox: early :p
somename: 11:23
somename: here
meGenius: dusty_fox: oh! it's 1:25 here, the UAE...
christian_lappy: same here
meGenius: 1:25PM
christian_lappy: somename: fprm getr ?
dusty_fox: wow
mastertheknife: meGenius: you are GMT+3?
meGenius: mastertheknife: nope
meGenius: GMT+4
somename: christian_lappy: wtf
christian_lappy: somename: from germany ?
mastertheknife: 12:23 PM in israel
somename: christian_lappy: ja / yes
christian_lappy: ah
dusty_fox: I wonder if I'm the only one else from the western hemisphere up on here
meGenius: mastertheknife: you are GMT+3??
meGenius: dusty_fox: what is that??
mastertheknife: GMT+2 in winter GMT+3 in summer i think
meGenius: ah! you have winter timings
meGenius: i hate that
meGenius: :P
mastertheknife: no its the DST
burra: finland 12.25
burra: :)
meGenius: burra: so you can still here more time :P
meGenius: but, dusty_fox not :D
meGenius: time difference is something awesome :P
dusty_fox: huh what?
dusty_fox: the western hemisphere?
meGenius: yup!
dusty_fox: it's this big, half-ball shaped thing. it's got water n land n stuffs
meGenius: i understood
meGenius: nothing :P
dusty_fox: lol
christian_lappy: nice holiday today :-)
dusty_fox: i was describing "the western hemisphere" :p
burra: meGenius: back
meGenius: dusty_fox: images are easier to understand
burra: was to the kitchen
meGenius: burra: wb, :)
mastertheknife: hey
mastertheknife: have you seen this
mastertheknife: http://www.steamonlinux.com
mastertheknife: funny but true
meGenius: after reading this: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_steam_announcement&num=1
dusty_fox: http://salsadanza.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/western-hemisphere.jpg
meGenius: i don't want to read more steam news :D
mastertheknife: meGenius: its just one line
christian_lappy: wtf
meGenius: dusty_fox: i understand, now :D
meGenius: :D
dusty_fox: meGenius: I'm glad. This concludes today's geography lesson.
meGenius: The_Muh: you are a real crazy tux :D
meGenius: dusty_fox: i hate studying geography
meGenius: dusty_fox: i prefer to read about it alone
dusty_fox: meGenius: what about studying Scarlett Johanssen's geography?
christian_lappy: lol
meGenius: what the hell is that??
dusty_fox: you tell me :p
burra: more like biology
meGenius: burra: yeah! biology is awesome
meGenius: dusty_fox: is that is an actress??
dusty_fox: especially when it's scarlett johanssen's biology
dusty_fox: yeah
Azalyn: so has valve made an announcement yet?
christian_lappy: naaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
burra: that's why i am on the internet in the first place
meGenius: Azalyn: this is enough: Scarlett Johanssen's geography
Azalyn: those bastards. they're doing it on purpose.
meGenius: Azalyn: i meant,
meGenius: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_steam_announcement&num=1
Azalyn: i know about that. it so ISNT enough.
dusty_fox: dammit, quit linking to that article! The beer is mocking me
Azalyn: where the hell did the telegraph get it from?
Ivanovic: Azalyn: ask them!
Azalyn: another source apparently says that runic games (makers of torchlight) said that there's a linux version.
dusty_fox: Azalyn: phoronix
Ivanovic: Azalyn: it is not michaellarabels fault if they don't post their sources!
dusty_fox: Azalyn: that would be awesome
Azalyn: dusty_fox: no, they said there's a linux version of steam. not of torchlight. heh
dusty_fox: so runic games is an authority on steam now? :p
Azalyn: but yes, torchlight on linux would be sweet.
somename: porting torchlight would be easy anyways
dusty_fox: maybe I should buy it for $10 just in case
Ivanovic: dusty_fox: maybe you should better wait till it is available
Ivanovic: what if it never will be released for linux?
Azalyn: dusty_fox: well, i would imagine that the companies interested in supporting the mac were told in advance that there would be a port, so that they could have their games ready. the companies probably learned about the mac port ahead of time. under nda perhaps.
dusty_fox: Well, I do have a windows install on one of my hard drives
Azalyn: the same is probably true for linux.
dusty_fox: azalyn: true
Azalyn: torchlight works in wine flawlessly. i have it on steam.
dusty_fox: Torchlight has a gold rating in wine's appdb, I think
Azalyn: i've gotten lots of apps during the holiday specials and such
meGenius: i'm waiting for a real Linux-based games console now
dusty_fox: is tired. Time for bed *crosses fingers for official announcement when I wake up*
Azalyn: i wonder if phoronix was correct about ut3 though. that would be pretty funny, heh.
meGenius: after Valve's support for linux
burra: dusty_fox: :)
dusty_fox: -. -
Azalyn: i remember back years ago, ryan gordon was like "if i told you what was the hold up, you would never believe me."
Azalyn: or something.
giselher: Azalyn: steam?
meGenius: who is ryan gordon ??
Azalyn: "steam is coming to linux" would definitely qualify as unbelievable.
giselher: meGenius: icculus
Azalyn: ryan is the world MASTER of videogame portability.
meGenius: i see!
meGenius: btw
Azalyn: meGenius: he singlehandedly did ports like unreal tournament 2003 and 2004 to linux.
Azalyn: and many other games
Azalyn: he's like a one-man army when it comes to porting games to linux.
meGenius: do the companies make problems for such people??
giselher: They say that mac steam client does not run on case sensitiv filesystem http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1265306
Azalyn: meGenius: the companies HIRE him, and pay him to do it.
meGenius: Azalyn: id be pleased to say him "THANX"
giselher: He also paid the humble indie bundle for me :)
meGenius: giselher: that's bad
Azalyn: he was also hired to port google earth to linux
meGenius: giselher: you know him personally
Azalyn: which is why we have a linux version of that now.
Galaxy|: I don't know a single person who has formatted their Mac with HFS+ Case-Sensitive
Ivanovic: Galaxy|: it was the first thing i always did
giselher: meGenius: Not really, I met him on the wolfire IRC
eddieate: most mac users have a mac bdcause they can't do things like reformat...
Ivanovic: (back in times when i still had an ibook)
Galaxy|: they come preformatted with HFS+J now
meGenius: eddieate: you forgot Photoshop..
Azalyn: hm... that is really bizarre, about it not working on case sensitive filesystems... because uh... ntfs is case-sensitive, or rather is capable of being.
Azalyn: ntfs has different namespaces.
Azalyn: one of those is posix.
meGenius: calm down guys
Azalyn: you can actually have filenames with ? < > | and so on in windows, by using the ntfs posix namespace.
Ivanovic: i have simply done this because otherwise it is unustable for "real men" (that do use svn reps and the likes where names could appear as uppercase/lowercase and the likes)
Galaxy|: I've never had a problem with it but it is funny
Galaxy|: Steam definitely doesn't conform to OSX aesthetic guidelines
Azalyn: NTFS-3G on linux will usually always write files in the posix namespace. you can try this with a usb enclosure or something. write case sensitive filenames to an ntfs volume with ntfs-3g, and filenames with < > | \ and so on..
Azalyn: and the files will always show just fine in windows.
Galaxy|: there's a nice little quirk where if you grab a window and start shaking the window around while dragging the mouse cursor moves away from the actual window title bar too
Azalyn: when you connect the drive.
Azalyn: so i find it curious that steam doesn't work with a case sensitive filesystem
Azalyn: with windows you don't have to reformat though. it's always built-in to ntfs, on any volume. i wonder if mac is different, maybe that's why
Ivanovic: Galaxy|: special chars in filenames can be real hell on windows
Ivanovic: that is: i created a character/profile with a ':' in it in overlord2
Galaxy|: I've never had a problem with that been using OSX and Windows side by side for over 5 years now
Ivanovic: the profiles name was directly the folder name
Ivanovic: it was created with the colon inside just right
Galaxy|: so i guess there will be a few oddities though
Ivanovic: i could cd into the folder and all that stuff
Galaxy|: I have no doubt they'll roll out an update
giselher: The only thing I want VALVe to change for the linux client, is to locate the files in a hidden directorey (like .steam or .steamapps)
Ivanovic: just deleting it was *impossible* from inside windows
Ivanovic: no such issues with ntfs-3g
Ivanovic: giselher: uhm, no
Ivanovic: giselher: the game installations should not be in a hidden folder
Ivanovic: though the config files should
Azalyn: i would imagine that's what giselher meant.
giselher: Azalyn: yupe
Ivanovic: giselher: it is really ugly if you got several gb of data in hidden folders since eg using 'du' you do normally not check hidden folders that should just have some config files
mastertheknife: Galaxy|: and i doubt steam for linux will conform to KDE\Gnome asthetic guidelines
Galaxy|: probably not
mastertheknife: valve at the moment is interested in a client that looks identical on all platforms
eddieate: meGenius: what about photoshop? :s
Galaxy|: makes perfect sense to me
Galaxy|: though the UI on OSX does have some bugs to it
Galaxy|: like the window dragging bug i mentioned earlier
mastertheknife: much easier and cheaper to maintain. maybe at later stage after fixing bugs and such they will work on the UI look and feel for each platform
Azalyn: well, google chrome doesn't look the way kde/gnome apps do.
Azalyn: i don't think that is a big concern for most people
meGenius: eddieate: most of mac users are photoshop users
Azalyn: people have generally accepted that 'some' apps will deviate from the rest of the OS. this is especially very common on windows
Azalyn: where many apps always have their own theme
Galaxy|: more often than not Mac users now adays are relatively simple with what they're doing
Ivanovic: Azalyn: on windows there simply *is* no common theme
Ivanovic: ;)
Galaxy|: email word docs etc not much else
Galaxy|: so Steam will be a total revolution for those types
Galaxy|: I'm more used to using the terminal interface myself but the GUI is still nice to look at too
eddieate: meGenius: yeah, but people who buy macs for general purpose seem to like to be babysat by their OS
Galaxy|: Apple does make it simple to get stuff done
meGenius: eddieate: that's right, & don't forget the no viruses fact too ;)
eddieate: yeah
Galaxy|: lol i've had a virus infect one of my CrossOver bottles before
Galaxy|: that was a PITA
Galaxy|: at least I can kill the whole wine-server with a killall -9 though :3
meGenius: Galaxy|: & that's why i hate wine
eddieate: i don't understand how you get serious viruses even on 'doze though, must have to take a 'click everything' approach...
giselher: Galaxy|: Arch does make it simple to get stuff done :)
Galaxy|: yes it does
eddieate: Galaxy|: lol really
Galaxy|: yeah
eddieate: Galaxy|: thats funny, almost TOO good at mimicking windows :)
Galaxy|: wanted to see what it would do
Galaxy|: and it did what it said it would
Galaxy|: spawned a shit ton of windows
eddieate: was it just a fork?
Galaxy|: most likely yeah
Galaxy|: killall -9 too care of it in a hurry
Galaxy|: it always nice to have a sandbox to make sure it wont make my VM go kaboom
Galaxy|: Undo disks work nicely for that purpose too
Galaxy|: I dont run windows natively on my MacBook Pro but I do on my hackintosh desktop
mastertheknife: eddieate: this is because in windows, most people are logged in as administrators
meGenius: mastertheknife: :D
eddieate: mastertheknife: i normally do tbh
mastertheknife: same here
mastertheknife: lol
meGenius: mastertheknife: are you kidding man
eddieate: if it wasnt such a pain in the ass not to be an admin then i wouldnt be
mastertheknife: but in linux there is just 1 administrator account and thats root, and linux educates you not to use it as your user
meGenius: the users is a layer over the OS in windows
eddieate: but its not like you can just sudo your way around stuff
mastertheknife: eddieate: yeah
mastertheknife: eddieate: it requires switching user, or using the sometimes works Run As feature
eddieate: yeah
christian_lappy: who set the toic btw ?
mastertheknife: DeathCrawler
Azalyn: toic?
eddieate: topic i assume
Azalyn: oh, of course.
c_korn: hello. has there been an official statement that the source engine is going to come to linux ? (not only steam)
asraniel: no
c_korn: then why does the article tell: "Now that the Source Engine is officially supported on Linux..." ?
christian_lappy: the article is uuuuuuuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
christian_lappy: we even don't have an officila statement from valve about steam yet
christian_lappy: just sent an question aboiut the article to the telegraph
christian_lappy: we will see what they answer
Azalyn: c_korn: that's michael larabel's style. heh
Azalyn: lots of weasel words and so on.
Azalyn: :P
Azalyn: makes it kind of annoying to read the articles sometimes
Azalyn: and then there's all the cross-linking (you'd think it's wikipedia) and self-promotion.
giselher: http://www.halflife2.net/2010/05/12/its-official-steam-coming-to-linux/
Azalyn: all quirks of the phoronix we've come to know and love.
Azalyn: if the phoronix test suite isn't pimped once every half-hour, the world may explode after all.
eddieate: and nobody wants that
GNU\colossus: "assplode" is the proper word, I suppose
eddieate: coz then all the effort that went into the phoronix test suite would have gone to waste ;)
Azalyn: hating on ext4 is also important. in that case, not doing it will not destroy the world, but could in theory (as predicted by scientific tests performed with the phoronix test suite) tear a hole in the fabric of reality!
eddieate: is the ext4 hate unjustified?
Azalyn: my understanding is every problem is on the application side, the filesystem itself was never broken.
eddieate: i see
eddieate: i thought it was snappier to boot but then i tried it on diffrent hardware
eddieate: i just installed ubuntu 10.04 on my old laptop and i assume thats ext 4 now, i'll have to get it out and see if it seems any better
Azalyn: applications got 'used' to the fact that with ext3, data will hit the disk about 5 seconds after a write operation. normally when an application *needs* to ensure that data hits the disk immediately, it is supposed to use fsync() or fdatasync()
eddieate: i see
Azalyn: but applications haven't been doing that, they simply relied on ext3's characteristics, which of course breaks posix.
Azalyn: so when ext4 came around with it's performance-enhancing features, like delayed allocation.. they found out that their apps broke
mastertheknife: ext4 with extents on rocks actually
mastertheknife: I didn't expect ext4 to be this good
eddieate: extents?
mastertheknife: yeah, when extents are enabled
mastertheknife: with extents enabled its not backwards compatible with ext2/3, but its faster
Azalyn: also, even without the expectations of ext3, apparently some of the apps do some really dumb stuff according to ted ts'o.
mastertheknife: extents is what ext4 is all about (among some other cool stuff)
Azalyn: like truncating a file, and then writing to it. heh
Azalyn: i'm not even a programmer, but that sounds kind of dumb even to me. i mean to ensure that you've always got a good copy of the file in case of power failure it seems like a much better idea to write a new file, and then move it over the old one.
Azalyn: if the write operation fails because of a power outage, you still have the old version, and if the move operation fails, you have both versions and then the app can figure it out when you launch it.
GNU\colossus: what are you talking about, Azalyn?
Azalyn: the whole ext4 thing.
Azalyn: where some apps lost data because they don't work properly.
GNU\colossus: well, filesystems are a complex matter.
NigeyUK: morninggggggggg
mastertheknife: hey nigey
NigeyUK: hey dude
mastertheknife: by the way
GNU\colossus: sure you can do all move operations as you described, but that'd severly hamper performance in some scenarios
mastertheknife: http://www.osnews.com/story/21035/Ballmer_Linux_Bigger_Competitor_than_Apple
NigeyUK: oo
mastertheknife: Steve ballmer (CEO of microsoft) commented on steam for apple
Azalyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781/comments/45
Azalyn: this is the comment that explains most of the mess.
Azalyn: from the guy behind ext4
Azalyn: it's pretty detailed and gives a good overview.
Azalyn: for anyone curious
NigeyUK: In any case, it appears that Linux (and piracy) is a larger blip on Microsoft's radar than Apple, and it's not hard to see why. With an economy that's not doing very well, people will opt for cheaper products. Apple cannot offer those, but Linux and piracy can.
NigeyUK: spot on
NigeyUK: EOF :D
somename: \n
Azalyn: the balmer thing is old. hehe
wasdude: what? is he throwing chairs again?
NigeyUK: lol
somename: lmao
Kvisle: balmer throwing chairs is business as usual
NigeyUK: so true
NigeyUK: mastertheknife,
NigeyUK: http://steamonlinux.com/
NigeyUK: pmsl
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: yeah i saw, lol
mastertheknife: its funny but true
NigeyUK: i was bored and had some cash to use up on an old enom account lol
mastertheknife: oh you made it
mastertheknife: lol
NigeyUK: awaits the cease and decist from valve
mastertheknife: :P
mastertheknife: its funny though
mastertheknife: how everyone says
mastertheknife: PC, Linux and Mac
mastertheknife: instead of, Windows, Linux and Mac
mastertheknife: so stupid
ChemBro: I'm a penguin
somename: what penguin? gentoo?
ChemBro: I'm a Mac, I'm a PC, I'm a Penguin ^_^
GNU\colossus: I'm a GNU.
GNU\colossus: moos loudly
somename: I'm X11
somename: HA!!
somename: i rock
NigeyUK: i'm a vm so i can be all 3 :p
mastertheknife: sigh
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: isn't it stupid that valve says PC + Mac, instead of Windows and Mac
NigeyUK: it is kinda odd
somename: oh noes... mac isnt a personal computer...
somename: wtf
NigeyUK: aswell as this steamplay stuff and sayin "all supported platforms"
NigeyUK: they dont say pc and mac ..
mastertheknife: for example here
mastertheknife: http://store.steampowered.com/app/22000/
GNU\colossus: well, a mac is a PC, too
mastertheknife: PC system requirements and Mac system requirements, lol.
GNU\colossus: even more so after the switch to Intel CPUs
mastertheknife: Thats what i am saying!
somename: thats the point
mastertheknife: everyone is saying PC, Linux and Mac instead of Windows, Linux and Mac
GNU\colossus: mastertheknife: yeah, and I'm with you 100%
somename: even linux is a pc
mastertheknife: even the humble indie bundle
somename: *can be
somename: alright... GNU/Linux
mastertheknife: This computer is a standard computer with core2, just because it runs linux its not a PC anymore? lol.
mastertheknife: I didn't think valve will be this dumb
kbios: I think the point is actuall to define *what* a PC is: i386 compatible? What about emulators, thin clients, multi-arch systems?
Flyser: any news about steam? any new updates? :)
eXlin: i woudl say linux is not pc
eXlin: nor windows
somename: chuck norris is a pc
eXlin: those are just os's running on pc
mastertheknife: PC is Personal computer with i386 processor i believe
Modplan: there was an update for steam linux last night
Modplan: no idea what it did
mastertheknife: bins_linux unchanged
NigeyUK: no bins updated though
mastertheknife: Flyser: We found evidence of it happening!
mastertheknife: Flyser: http://www.steamonlinux.com
DonScott: lol
Flyser: LOL
somename: lololololo
somename: saw that already before...
DonScott: that's NigeyUK's fauz website dude
wasdude: NigeyUK: You should make a pic of a penguin in a steam room with nothin else on that site
NigeyUK: lol i would if i wasn crap at gfx dude
wasdude: me 2 lol
Modplan: do a penguin with a valve thingy for an eye (Valves old logo was a man with a valve where his eye should be)
wasdude: nah - the back of penguins head with a valve on it lol
DonScott: I think you should do a Martin King Jr. thing....since the industry looks at us as a minority....
DonScott: I have a dream....
somename: sometimes , i dream about cheese
Azalyn: no you don't.
somename: how do you know?
Azalyn: i just do.
somename: o rly?
Azalyn: ya rly.
somename: rly rly?
bluekoala: mastertheknife: I got in trouble for a whole semester for arguing with a prof on the definition on "PC"
Azalyn: rly rly.
somename: cool.
somename: rly rly rly?
Azalyn: indeed.
somename: nice
mastertheknife: bluekoala: This is an interesting subject, i find it dumb that my computer is no longer a PC after installing linux on it
somename: int i;for(i=0;i<25;i++){printf("rly?\n");}
DonScott: So...what were the clashing definitions of pc ?
Flyser: why do you even care?
DonScott: i'm bored
babai: poor guys, after the confirmation of the steam client, you have nothing to do :P
Azalyn: yes we do.
Azalyn: now we're waiting for valve themselves to mention it.
somename: i want... a time machine
Azalyn: so far we only have confirmation from a second source.
DonScott: there will alwayss be porn.
babai: DonScott: right u are
giselher: I bet that valve announce the linux client today
somename: i bet 0 cents that they will
Flyser: I don't consider the dailytelegraph article a 'confirmation'. I won't believe it before I read it on steampowered.com
Flyser: I bet they wont :)
mastertheknife: next week it will be officially confirmed
babai: I bet if steam does come out, adobe will join the party
giselher: I have a scripts which greps the news site for linux
mastertheknife: NigeyUK:
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: here ?
DonScott: I bet they won't say anything untill after May 24.
mastertheknife: I doubt it
Flyser: DonScott: how is this date special?
mastertheknife: they contacted few sites about the announcement being soon and told them not to tell until a specific date
mastertheknife: I guess telegraph couldn't wait
babai: hmm
giselher: Flyser: At that day free portal ends
DonScott: Free Portal ends on that day..
NigeyUK: yo ?
Flyser: giselher: I see^^
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1266678
Flyser: but how is that related?
somename: do we get the linux version of portal then?
DonScott: marketing
mastertheknife: You can get portal now
mastertheknife: Portal is free if you get it before may 24th
NigeyUK: haha all of 5 seconds in vi :p
somename: i know. but it doesnt run very smooth on wine, you know...
mastertheknife: Yeah but at least you wont have to buy it when linux comes
Flyser: I am downloading it right now :)
somename: nice
eddieate: i love valve as a company
mastertheknife: because its free to get until may 24th, not free to play until may 24th
DonScott: Mac people want to feel special.. so if they come out and say Linux On the Way then Mac people get pissed.
mastertheknife: lol
eddieate: they just make you feel wanted as a customer
eddieate: DonScott: mac people ARE special ;)
Galaxy|: laughs
Galaxy|: I'd tend to agree about the "normal" mac people
Galaxy|: most of them are indie college kids
Galaxy|: or some variant of age and life status including indie
eddieate: haha yeah, I am generalising
eddieate: ive had 3 macs, bought my first one just after i left school, scraped and saved for a powerbook then got new ones on the house insurance when i accidently spilt stuff on them, ended up with a macbook pro essentially free
eddieate: i do like their laptops, hardware wise, but their not worth the money, espically seeing as they insist on staying behind the £800 sony laptops spec wise
Galaxy|: that's due to the fact it took that long to do hardware refreshes 10 years ago
Galaxy|: "apple time" in a sense
DonScott: they only one I'd want is the full tower....forget what it's called but it's mainly a high end movie machine.
DonScott: Mac Pro....but they're really expensive
eddieate: yeah
GNU\colossus: I have one right next to me. a dual-cpu PowerPC. wanna buy it? ;)
eddieate: could build a much better machine cheaper
eddieate: planning a quad socket opteron build soon, that'll be swish
somename: Chuck Norris can delete the Recycling Bin.
DonScott: although....I used to know a guy who hated his e-machine and bought an iMac and he was very happy with it.
somename: Linus Torvalds' keyboard only got 2 keys: 1 and 0
Galaxy|: that must be a bitch to type reports on
eXlin: i have mac mini in workplace. it has lot of thing's i am not happy to. one is not able to easily mount ssh.
eXlin: for some reason macfuse won't work well on me. i can mount from terminal but then i dont get "drive" icon to sidebar
eXlin: of finder...
eddieate: getting the mac terminal to work with irssi was a pain in the ass
eXlin: one is to pay 40€ for simple color-coding editor
eXlin: or 50€ for version-control software
eXlin: tho one mac-fan at workplace says he is cool to pay from good software ;)
PeterKraus: hello guys. Anyone can reccomend a decent ATI gpu well supported by OSS driver?
eddieate: old ones at a guess
eddieate: you looking for pci-e or agp?
PeterKraus: pci-e
Galaxy|: ATI 4850 is a pretty good all around card
Galaxy|: I've got 2 of em they work well
Galaxy|: scores high in benchmarks and reliability across all oses i've used it on
PeterKraus: don't mind getting an old one. It's not a gaming PC, but i think the HD4200 IGP i've got is going to be a bit slow at 1920x1200
eddieate: PeterKraus: really depends what ram its got access to, 3d desktop effects work just fine on my mobility 3650 @ 1920*1080
eddieate: i guess thats still a bit higher spec than a 4200, not really looked into igp performance...
PeterKraus: it's around Mob. Radeon X1400
PeterKraus: and, any news on crossfire coming to the OSS driver?
wasdude: question - ubuntu 10 on my laptop with HDMI out to my KVM. works great, but I want to close the laptop lid ... there is no option to "do nothing" when I close the laptop
somename: steam doesnt load for me -_-
somename: just says connecting steam account
DonScott: native or wine ?
somename: wine
somename: nvm
somename: it loaded...
DonScott: yeah....sometimes it just spazzes
somename: wow... i just found out how to make portal on wine faster: use the parameter -dxlevel 80 (found this from wine appdb)
Azalyn: PeterKraus: that's asking a bit much. the opensource driver is still in development, they haven't had time to get that far yet..
Azalyn: they're still working on completing 3d.
PeterKraus: :) i'm not asking for it, just asking about it
Azalyn: it will take a long time for the opensource drivers to catch up with the proprietary ati driver.
PeterKraus: do you think they'll ever catch up in terms of performance, btw?
Azalyn: would go a lot faster if one of the big linux companies threw money at the project, but feh.
PeterKraus: how much money are we talking about?
Azalyn: PeterKraus: i'm curious about that myself, technologically speaking, it's obviously possible.
DonScott: eh Shuttleworth can only do so much.
PeterKraus: millions?
Azalyn: millions sounds about right.
PeterKraus: right, time to start saving up :P
Azalyn: maybe about 500 thousand a year would be a good start?
PeterKraus: well, if they did the same as humble indie bundle, they could get it in a week
PeterKraus: :P
Azalyn: i had a discussion on irc with one of the ati guys, he hangs out in the phoronix forums too. bridgeman or whatever.
Azalyn: modern graphics drivers are apparently about as complicated on their own as the entire linux kernel is.
Azalyn: heh
DonScott: well if it was simple it would already be done...
Azalyn: so implementing one card, could be seen as trying to rewrite the whole linux kernel.
MPX: Why...have they never heard of extensions?
Azalyn: in fact, writing a kernel would probably be easier since unix/posix are well documented standards.
MPX: :P I don't believe it's THAT hard
Azalyn: where as most 3d hardware has to be reverse engineered. in the case of ati/amd we're lucky enough to have documentation, but even so, it's not written with the layman in mind.
Azalyn: from my understanding anyways.
Azalyn: the *current* issue though, is that gallium3d needs to get stable. heh
Azalyn: since it's the future.
Azalyn: at the moment they've pretty much redone the entire 3d stack. dri2, ttm memory manager, kms, gallium3d
Azalyn: and practically none of that is mainstream yet.
GNU\colossus: Azalyn: writing a minimal OS kernel isn't that hard. writing a kernal that scales up to Linux' standards is next to impossible for any single corporate entity on this planet.
Azalyn: all of the current 3d driver work is being done with those interfaces, and they've already deprecated everything else, so the drivers will not be backported. which means our systems won't even support these new drivers as they are now. we are going to have to upgrade everything from the linux kernel, to xorg.
DonScott: so does ATI have 2 different drivers for linux ? one Open and the other Closed or just the Open one ?
Azalyn: they have the proprietary driver. which they release and maintain themselves
kbios: fglrx is closed
asciiwolf: hello
Azalyn: the opensource driver is community maintained.
kbios: asciiwolf: hello
Azalyn: but ati/amd have released the documentation for their cards, which allows the drivers to be written.
DonScott: k
Azalyn: the situation right now is pretty bad. since ati has better opensource support, but nvidia has better proprietary support.
DonScott: yeah.....
Azalyn: which means that long term, ati is the better buy, but short term if you buy ati, you will have more problems...
Azalyn: where as nvidia will work decently *now* with the proprietary driver, but long term you will have to wait much longer for nouveau to be completed, since they have no documentation.
Azalyn: basically, when deciding whether to buy ati or nvidia, you have to ask "do i want to be screwed today, or screwed later?"
DonScott: decisions , decisions.
Azalyn: there is also the fact that if you buy nvidia, you're giving money to a company who has not been giving a shit about opensource.
kbios: well nouveau situation is not that bad, if you can live without fast 3d it's already usable
Azalyn: i already made my decision. i prefer to be screwed now and get it over with. heh
Azalyn: so i've decided to buy ati from now on.
DonScott: the 5970 looks nice compared to the noisy power hungry one nVidia jut released.
Azalyn: and i'm not going to buy anymore nvidia cards. nor any laptops with nvidia chips.
ejackman: Azalyn: just remember to send a letter to nVidia informing them of your decision and your reasons. You don't want them keying your car or boiling your pet bunny
Azalyn: DonScott: yeah, ati seems to have gotten the lead with the 5xxx series.
c0bra: hi
c0bra: any news on lin for steam?
Azalyn: i suppose it was unavoidable, i mean amd is a larger company, and they've managed to go head to head with the intel monster for all this time, compared to that, nvidia is easy pickings...
Azalyn: so they put all their knowledge from cpu design into the new chips. it's not unlikely that they will be able to keep ahead from now on, in both performance and efficiency.
Azalyn: and meanwhile nvidia is frantically trying to find an x86 license, possibly they could get one from the magic x86 fairy...
Ivanovic: uhm, x86 knowledge, efficency, where is the missing link?
Ivanovic: ;)
Azalyn: knowledge of designing cpu's isn't applicable just to cpu's, or even just one cpu... but to integrated circuit designs in general.
Azalyn: much of the athlon design was based on some stuff from the alpha cpu. since amd hired a lot of engineers that formerly worked on the dec alpha
DonScott: i wanna build this except with a 5970 and an Antec 1200 ATX case. http://www.hardware-revolution.com/2000-gaming-pc/
Azalyn: in fact, modern x86 chips are internally RISC processors.
Azalyn: and the x86 instructions 'compile' into the more low-level internal architecture.
Ivanovic: DonScott: honestly, better just go for a single 5870
DonScott: awww
Modplan: take a look see folks http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23798
Modplan: ambitious linux commmercial RTS
Azalyn: of course, i feel stupid now, because i realize that your statement was actually a jab at x86 being inefficient.
Azalyn: :|
Ivanovic: reason: those 5970 are basically just two 5850 on one board, nothing more, nothing less
Azalyn: hehe
Ivanovic: for this to work nicely, you need to often have driver optimisations
Ivanovic: and even then it might not work 100% smooth
DonScott: boooo
DonScott: cries
Ivanovic: you can get some cases of micro judders
Ivanovic: since the two cards produce images close to each other and then for a short time frame there is nothing new
Azalyn: the 58xx and up is too expensive...
Azalyn: i mean come on, the 5970 is like close to one thousand dollars... :|
Ivanovic: Azalyn: depends on what you compare to and what you want to use it for
Azalyn: 700 seems to be the cheapest :\
Ivanovic: Azalyn: if you want to play in high details with *whatever* strange settings in 2560x1600 you need some really powerful card
The_Muh: nothing new about steam?
Azalyn: that's basically crossfire on one card, right? heh
Ivanovic: eg a sapphire 5870 is available in germany for 365€ (this includes shipping and 19% taxes)
Ivanovic: Azalyn: the 5970: yes, exactly
Azalyn: hm, they have mini-displayport.
Azalyn: heh
Ivanovic: the cheapest 5970 that is available is one from sapphire for 530€ including taxes and shipping
Azalyn: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102887 this?
Ivanovic: so without taxes you end at 570$
Ivanovic: http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a483191.html?v=l
Ivanovic: this card
Azalyn: looks like the same card
Ivanovic: with other words: the prices in the US are insane!
DonScott: thats because other Economies are betting that the dollar will rise again....and we have inflation.......
Ivanovic: without shipping the card costs 520€, that is including 19% tax, without tax you end at roundabout 440€
Ivanovic: DonScott: currently the euro is really weak
Ivanovic: 1€ are just 1.27$
Ivanovic: half a year ago it was more like 1.40$
DonScott: that's only because of Greece....=p
Azalyn: there's an even more powerful one..
Azalyn: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/05/11/sapphire/1
DonScott: OMG
DonScott: 3 fans on that card
DonScott: lol
c0bra: new on steam for linux?
Azalyn: 4GB of video memory... jesus. :|
Ivanovic: Azalyn: not this insane
Ivanovic: it is just 2*2GB
Ivanovic: (since the content of the ram is basically mirrored, it is two cards on one)
Azalyn: that would let you load half of the entire content of many modern games.
Ivanovic: Azalyn: textures require lots of space
Ivanovic: especially if you use some AA in huge resolutions
DonScott: that would let you load any OS on the GPU itself
Ivanovic: eg 4xAA in 2560x1600
DonScott: if it worked like that
Ivanovic: this can easily kill ram
Azalyn: DonScott: well, with opencl you could do it.
Azalyn: gpgpu.
Azalyn: it's a beautiful piece of technology... i have to say.
Azalyn: i wish i had the money for a beast like that. heh
DonScott: it's very sexy
giselher: c0bra: Nope
Azalyn: i don't like the amd/ati stock coolers to be honest. i always go for a card with a different cooler.
Azalyn: i'm personally thinking of going with something more mid-range.
Azalyn: like the 5770 hawk from msi.
Azalyn: heh
Azalyn: which looks pretty badass.
DonScott: link or it didn't happen
Azalyn: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127490
Azalyn: http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-r5770-hawk-review/
Azalyn: there's a review.
Azalyn: it's pretty sweet.
Azalyn: comes slightly OC'd out of the box, and is capable of being OC'd with MSI's software to get like a 20% boost in performance apparently.
DonScott: looks nice
DonScott: i like it
Azalyn: and it's quiet too. very silent.
mattgirv: Azalyn: The 5850 is a real beast for the price if you can afford it
Azalyn: i like that they've got displayport on all the newer ones.
The_Muh: wtf
Azalyn: so it's future proof.
The_Muh: 50 pages in the "its confirmed"-thread?! oO
DonScott: i like the dual heatsinks on it and the fat it's not enclose on the 5770
wasdude: I went from a 9800GT OC to a 5850 ... like night and day in BF:BC2
DonScott: *fact
mattgirv: wasdude: Exactly the same here, the 9800GT ran pretty well for me in BF:BC2 though.
wasdude: but the card is wedged in my case lol - it's HUUUUGGGEE
Ivanovic: honestly, i'd prefer going for a sapphire vaporx instead of the hawk
DonScott: lol yeah wasdude
Ivanovic: http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a503249.html?v=l
mattgirv: wasdude: I have a Coolermaster Stacker fortunately. :p I know a few people that have had trouble fitting it in their case at all,
Azalyn: i've seen the vapor-x before
mattgirv: It isn't surprising, I mean you can add another inch on to the length when you have to connect the power connectors to it.
Azalyn: but i just prefer the hawk.
wasdude: I had a shark case standing by in case it was too big for my current case
wasdude: XFX support is pretty good too - they sent me a beta BIOS when I got grey screen of death after first installing it
DonScott: the vapor looks good to but i like the hawk more
wasdude: thought I was going to have to RMA it ...
mattgirv: wasdude: Common issue on a lot of the 5xxx series. :(
wasdude: yeah - very true
mattgirv: Though a lot of the problems were solved with newer drivers.
wasdude: rumor was that it was a voltage issue going from 2D to 3D
wasdude: and that it could only be resolved through a BIOS update or maybe manually screwing with the voltages ...
wasdude: i dunno - all I know is that it's been working like a champ
mattgirv: wasdude: I mainly bought mine for ArmA2, heh. That game completely destroyed my 9800GT.
DonScott: wasdude.....are you running it in linux ?
wasdude: DonScott: nope, Win7 64-Bit
DonScott: bah
mattgirv: DonScott: I am.
wasdude: I play too many games to go linux full time
wasdude: is ready for the hate
DonScott: mattgirv: so how it is in linux ?
Azalyn: i was supposed to have a dual-pc setup with a kvm. but then my kvm started going haywire and beeping all the time.
Azalyn: i have to rma that stupid thing.
DonScott: lol wasdude no hate from me...I feel the same way
wasdude: yeah - I'm using a Belkin DVI KVM with my Win7, Mac and Ubuntu laptop hooked up to it
Azalyn: my main box is linux.
mattgirv: DonScott: Well to be fair, nVIDIA have always had the edge driver wise.. it probably isn't that much better performance wise than my 9800GT was.
mattgirv: DonScott: But I haven't really had any problems,
wasdude: but my KVM does some wacky shit too
Azalyn: of course, now with steam coming to linux, i'll be able to game on both machines. even after i rma the kvm and get it fixed.
Azalyn: heh
mattgirv: DonScott: The last ATI card I used in Linux was a Radeon 9800 Pro and that could barely run TuxRacer (despite it being at the top of its game at the time)
DonScott: cries
wasdude: DonScott: I'm a fulltime AIX / WebSphere engineer so I get plenty of command line time at work lol
Azalyn: modern kvm's are totally dumb. they still do mouse/keyboard/display 'emulation' or whatever... because they're using the same firmware as the days of vga/ps2 kvms.
Azalyn: the modern standards are designed for hotplug..
Azalyn: so a simple passive switch should be fine
DonScott: I'm still on mah 8800gt
mattgirv: DonScott: To be fair, I haven't really tried too many games in Linux enough to tell how much better it is. It certainly doesn't struggle with anything though.
Azalyn: which should eliminate most of the bugs that kvms have, but instead they overcomplicate things.
Azalyn: pisses me off
wasdude: if I could play bf2, bf:bc2, Batman AA, GTA4 and some others on linux or mac I'd probably switch
Azalyn: my kvm though worked pretty well with both machines. i guess i got lucky.
Azalyn: but then it started beeping all the time like an idiot.
wasdude: but I also have a dual video card / triple head setup which is a bitch to get working right in the last couple versions of ubuntu
Azalyn: wouldn't be so bad with xrandr 1.3 and assuming all drivers were coded to that.
Azalyn: xrandr 1.3 added support for using multiple cards.
wasdude: there was a change from ubuntu 8 to 9 or from 7 to 8 that totally screwed it up
wasdude: because I could only use them as independent desktops and not as a single desktop with different resolutions
wasdude: so I went back to windows =/
The_Muh: wasdude: ubuntu sucks - try arch, opensuse, fedora or centos
Azalyn: until all the opensource video drivers are finished being written (at least for 2d), and are all using kernel mode setting, and they're all using xrandr 1.3
Azalyn: it will continue being a problem.
Azalyn: and for proprietary drivers... who the hell knows.
Azalyn: proprietary drivers will probably never work right with everything else.
The_Muh: nvidias driver works well here
wasdude: The_Muh: i try them as they come out with their latest releases, but they just don't do it for me for a desktop
wasdude: I use centos 5.4 server at home for work related testing though
The_Muh: missing drivers für your hardware?
The_Muh: <3 german music
DonScott: i wish rhythmbox made shoutcasst as easy as Listen does.
wasdude: when vmware or one of those apps has full 3D emulation for all games, then I'll probably go linux fulltime and deal with the triple head issues later
wasdude: but I can't even get TigerWoods 07 to play lol
DonScott: lol
DonScott: linux just needs more games and driver support and all will be well.
somename: once it gets enough game support, nvidia & co will make better drivers i guess
The_Muh: geduld....(dunno the english word for that)
wasdude: no they wont
wasdude: maybe for shits and giggles
somename: The_Muh: be patient hei�t das
The_Muh: thx
somename: oder so
meGenius: OH!
meGenius: deutsh :D
wasdude: it will be the emulation companies that make the berakthrough
meGenius: deutsch*
The_Muh: is looking arround... oh no! my disguise is gone...
The_Muh: (or "cover"... many words for this....)
wasdude: is explaining SSL and public / private key authentication to non tech people @ work. Shoot me now.
DonScott: hahahaha
DonScott: welcome to hell wasdude
wasdude: I've been there a looooong time
DonScott: usually when I try to explain anything tech related peoples eyes glaze over...or it's a blank stare.
The_Muh: hmm.... sooo boring
The_Muh: i want to play penumbra - but i'm too lazy to re-install the nvidia-driver... =/
skyhirider: DonScott: yeah, same here, but usually the ppl run away from me asap :D
skyhirider: its like, careful, crazy it person talking here, please evacuate the danger zone immediately!
DonScott: lol yeah
skyhirider: ahh well, at least i can be cool and scare people with leet talk like here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU :D
Modplan: if Valve don't officially debunk the whole steam for linux thing by tomorrow, it's official
Modplan: they can't let this get around everywhere without having made an official statement one way or the other
Ivanovic: Modplan: not making an official statement is a statement, too
Ivanovic: cf the "steam for mac" ads before it was announced
Modplan: No it isn't. It's just silence.
Ivanovic: they were not commenting at all about this either
pioto: yes, lrn2logic
Modplan: The steam for mac ads WERE the announcement
monreal: maybe the buggy linux alpha is the announcement :P
Ivanovic: and so might the binaries that are available in public
pioto: if i see some official ad with tux in gordon freeman's suit...
Modplan: that's my point. By not denying this as it gets reported everywhere they risk damage. If it isn't true they're going to debunk it at some point.
The_Muh: pioto: a penguin-suit for gorden xD
Ivanovic: hmm, freeman in a tuxedo, would this do it, too?
The_Muh: Ivanovic: no. it must be a tux
The_Muh: without the "edo"
Ivanovic: shortform of tuxedo *is* tux!
monreal: freeman eating apples and pissing on windows signs anyone? :D
The_Muh: i mean a tux- or penguin-suit
Ivanovic: freeman in a tux throwing and apple through a window?
Ivanovic: ^^
The_Muh: hm... and he kills beasty with the thrown apple
The_Muh: and then he writes a little haiku about leaf...
Modplan: they'll announce it by changing the name - S.T.E.A.M. - Steam takes everyones money
Modplan: damn, missed the a...
GNU\colossus: Steam Takes Every Anthropod's Money
GNU\colossus: fixed.
Modplan: that's awesome. Dare i say it...confirmed?
GNU\colossus: hehe
GNU\colossus: yep, now it's official
monreal: Steam Takes Every Axxxxxx's Money :)
GNU\colossus: so they won't be getting mine, eh? :>
rpj8: STEAM(IEFSG)
rpj8: Steam takes every anthropod's Money (in exchange for sweet games)
Nevtus: STEAM CONFIRMED yet?
The_Muh: Nevtus: steamonlinux.com
Modplan: It's been confirmed ten millions times, it just needs to be confirmed by valve
Nevtus: did gabe reply to the email?
Modplan: nah, hopefuly he will. I keep getting excited when I see (1) by my inbox
DonScott: i didn't get a reply yet....booooo
Nevtus: the offical announcement is when gabe emails "CONFIRMED"
Modplan: does that mean if Gabe never replies but the client is actually released, it doesn't really exist
Azalyn: i actually made the same suggestion as monreal and ivanovic, i think it was yesterday. about how the supposedly leaked linux steam binaries might be part of some viral marketing thing.
Azalyn: like the images were for the mac.
Modplan: with Portal 2 they had all sorts of crazy stuff
Nevtus: I did think that myself actually
Modplan: images hidden in BBS streams or something
Azalyn: with the mac, they figured trendy-looking images would be a nice way of telling people without actually saying anything.
pioto: no, in the sounds in portal.
pioto: encoded using slow-scan tv signals or something
Azalyn: and with linux, they know we're a bunch of geeks, so they leak incomplete binaries and let us tinker with them.
Azalyn: hehe
Nevtus: with linux they give us some broken alpha software :|
DonScott: Gabe didn't reply to mine yet, although mine wasn't as epic as Modplans'
pioto: looks like that manifest file from their website was last updated 14 hours ago. if that means anything
pioto: this thing http://store.steampowered.com/public/client/steam_client_linux
pioto: (the version looks like it's an unix epoch timestamp)
Azalyn: honestly, if they still have that up, even after removing the actual binaries...
Azalyn: i don't think there can be any doubt.
Modplan: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1168990 the thread for all the craazy stuff they did for portal 2 viral campaign
DonScott: the penguin army marches on, one by one. Hurrah ! Hurrah!
Azalyn: at this point there is way too much evidence, you'd have to be insane to believe that steam *isnt* coming to linux.
DonScott: sugar rushes are good
rpj8: azalyn the hopeful~
monreal: hehe
Azalyn: azalyn the realist.
Azalyn: :|
pioto: Azalyn: uh, binaries still seem to be present.
Azalyn: orly? i heard they were taken down.
pioto: well, i just interpolated that file, and they seemed to not 404
kurros: Azalyn, i dont think anyone doubts that there is a linux client. just that its going to be for public consumption
DonScott: yeah seriously ...I doubt that they'd still be working on it if it wasn't gonna come out.
pioto: http://store.steampowered.com/public/client/bins_linux.zip.fe49bbc71b714853c42bb28442fff5b0c47d027c
Nevtus: pioto: that version is a unix epoch, converts to Thu May 13 02:05:53 BST 2010
pioto: etc
GNU\colossus: kurros: personally, I don't think the "if" is questionable, it's the "when" that's in flux :)
pioto: yes, like i said, about 14 hours ago
DonScott: Mac just needs the spotlight for a little while and then boom we will see a linux version native
DonScott: it's marketing
Nevtus: I don't like that Valve are buying into the whole PC vs Mac thing with the new design
kurros: yeah the PC stuff should all be buried under some Legacy Apps menu
monreal: adding mac AND linux would have given them a lot more news presence I think
DonScott: that's just to get the mac users Nevtus
DonScott: again Marketing
pioto: what generic conf format would you say that file is closest to, btw?
pioto: i wanna do a quick 'n dirty perl script to do some analysis, and if i could coopt an existing cpan module, i'd like to
monreal: json
pioto: not quite. json has a colon between the key and value, i thought?
pioto: maybe that's optional, though
DonScott: I wanna make that mac ad but with a left 4 dead Tank in a Penguin costume charging in from distance.
monreal: you asked what it is closest to
Azalyn: monreal: it would not have given more news presence.
Azalyn: announcing both at once means one announcement, one story. etc
Nevtus: adding linux support would give them a second wave
eddieate: yeah they probs got more news in the *nix community with this teasing they are doing
Azalyn: announcing them separately gives them two stories that all the tech sites will write.
Azalyn: heh
Nevtus: it also means the linux launch would be it's own thing and not overshadowed
Azalyn: leaking the client is a good way for them to "let us know" in the meantime that they're working on it.
Azalyn: and of course, we can see the client being updated day by day..
Azalyn: so we know it's still being developed.
Azalyn: meanwhile the news outlets try not to touch on rumors.
The_Muh: rly? when came the last update?
Nevtus: the stuff being updated was shared resources with the mac client wasn't it?
Azalyn: The_Muh: well, according to the unix epoc that Nevtus converted before, thursday may 13 02:05:53 BST 2010.
The_Muh: ah.. any important changes?
Azalyn: i don't know...
somename: although the patches dont work for me anymore
Nigey|: weeeeeeeee
Nigey|: NigeyUK, you slag get out!
monreal: even with the linux bins bundle changing it doesn't really mean they changed anything linux specific
Nigey|: they updated bins >
Nigey|: ?
monreal: don't know but pioto linked the bins package
Nigey|: ahh i checked earlier, and no bins were updated
bmunger: public_all.zip was updated
Nigey|: yup
monreal: so, let me put it this way: even if the linux bins bundle is updated, it doesn't mean anything linux specific has been changed
Nigey|: correct, most of the changes are probly in the win32 client to bring it in line with the mac client
Nigey|: extra ui functions etc
Nigey|: and they wont be bin file related
monreal: it's fair to assume all platform bins originate from the same source tree
monreal: so if something changes for win/mac, a recompile on linux will result in different binaries, even if no linux spcific stuff is changed
Nigey|: they do, looking at the code, and if 1 updates, its updates all of them, win32, osx, and linux
kurros: why would they respin and upload the linux builds though?
Nevtus: it's automated
monreal: it's most likley fully automated
kurros: hmm
monreal: yeah
Sir_Brizz: not every update that has come has been common fixes though
kurros: that would imply some kind of QA process
Nevtus: it's another good sign, the linux client is integrated into their build process
Modplan: they noted before that changes to source engine will automatically result in changes and builds for Mac alongside the Windows version
Nigey|: oh i can show u that its in their build process quite easily
Nigey|: its all over the code
Nigey|: build dir structures etc
bmunger: the funny thing is i have seen references to windows registry in the linux steam binary
Nigey|: yeah and there are some for the xbox to
Sir_Brizz: it creates files that mimic the windows registry
Nigey|: just sloppy coding, copy / paste stuff
Nigey|: .. /home/VALVE/rackadmin/buildslave/steam_main_linux/build/src/common/../tier1/fileio.cpp
Nigey|: etc etc
Nigey|: also this 1 kinda proves tier 1 games on linux ..
Nigey|: .. /home/VALVE/rackadmin/buildslave/steam_main_linux/build/src/public/tier1/utlmemory.h
bmunger: you never know what they mean by tier 1 in their code structure
kurros: i doubt that refers to any games
Nigey|: true
Nigey|: theres this aswell..
Nigey|: .. /home/VALVE/rackadmin/buildslave/steam_rel_client_linux/build/src/public/tier1/utlvector.h
Nigey|: steam_rel_client
Nevtus: hmm
Nigey|: as opposed to steam_main_linux
Nigey|: anyway we just have to wait and see
Nigey|: but if we were to go from this code.. there is a client, and its being actively updated, we just need official word.. thats the bottom line
bmunger: a working binary also helps
DonScott: what's the difference between the steam_rel_client_linux and the steam_main_linux ?
bmunger: its broke as it is
Nigey|: yes that would be nice, it maybe a case that on their internal dev systems it works fine
Sir_Brizz: it
Sir_Brizz: it's likely that their internal builds work fine
Nigey|: DonScott, not sure, id love to know though
DonScott: I know that's why i was asking
kurros: there is tier2, tier3 and such as well
Nigey|: maybe rel client is the public build, and the steam_main_linux is before final build ..
Nevtus: steam_main_linux might be be server, steam_rel_client_linux the client?
Nevtus: *be the server release
Modplan: rel as in released?
Nigey|: Sir_Brizz, i'd put money on it, so far we know the fonts are rendered via opengl textures, thats why we cant get them working with a patch
Modplan: (shorthand for something)
Nevtus: I'm only going off the word "client" in one
Nigey|: rel would be short for release
Modplan: main might be where major development goes, rel would be periodic release/updates (even if only internally)?
Sir_Brizz: it annoys me when people continuously call Linux GNU/Linux
Nigey|: haha snap
Nigey|: Modplan, id go along with that
Nigey|: the references to X360 are curious mind
DonScott: yeah i don't calling it GNU/Linux
Nigey|: nigel@Nigel-Desktop:~/steam_tmp/linux32$ strings *.so | grep X360
Nigey|: X360
Nigey|: X360
Nigey|: X360
Nigey|: etc etc
somename: #define linux "GNU/Linux"
somename: there you go
Nigey|: lol
Nevtus: you are using mostly GNU software apart from the kernel in a base system.
Modplan: well, they release some games on 360. would be some common code like server browser stuff?
Nigey|: ah yes, i keep forgetting that
Nigey|: Nevtus, most of linux build tools are gnu arent they ?
somename: gcc, make ,nano, grub... everything is GNU
Nevtus: most of "Linux" in genearl is GNU :P
Modplan: any references to PS3? They outsource those, interesting to see if they support it themselves in any way
Nevtus: *general
Nigey|: Modplan, none that i have seen
somename: bash
Nigey|: ok i lied..
Nigey|: this IS new
Modplan: :o
Nevtus: this is why GNU/Linux makes sense. I can't be bothered saying it most of the time and people think you're even more crazy than the average Linux user for doing so
Nigey|: _ZNSt6vectorIN8CryptoPP15BaseAndExponentINS0_8ECPPointEjEESaIS3_EE14_M_fill_insertEN9__gnu_cxx17__normal_iteratorIPS3_S5_EEjRKS3_
Nigey|: _ZStrsIwSt11char_traitsIwEERSt13basic_istreamIT_T0_ES6_PS3_
Nigey|: doesnt make much sense though
Nevtus: but it is the correct term
wasdude: Nevtus: RMS, is that you?
Nigey|: haha that paste has gnu in it .. how freaky
DonScott: yeah.....but like GNU/Linux isn't as catchy as just Linux....and its recursive which most new people will say wtf too
kurros: and PS3!
DonScott: Gnome not Unix is not a good definition.
somename: they should combine the words GNU and linux
Sir_Brizz: if the base of the system is not GNU why would you call it GNU/Linux?
Nevtus: wasdude: would RMS want Steam and uses closed source graphic drivers?
somename: ginux ftw
Modplan: I always refer to it as Linux, but I understand the whole GNU/Linux argument (don't use it commonly though)
Sir_Brizz: if you only use Google products on your Windows machine, would you call it Google Windows?
somename: gnux
GNU\colossus: somename: some ppl I know refer to it as "LiGNUx"
GNU\colossus: though that's problematic from a trademark law pov
Modplan: i quite like those 2 suggestions...
Nevtus: you don't need google programs to run Windows, you need GNU programs to run "Linux"
somename: liGNUx... nice
wasdude: Nevtus: Nope. But you could be RMS and simply integrating yourself one piece at a time. First is GNU/Linux, next is Steam ...
wasdude: :D
kurros: heck you need GNU to build linux
Nigey|: ok, so if you had to rename linux, what would it be called ?
Sir_Brizz: Well, I think it's justified, but it's justified if you actually make a GNU distribution of Linux ... the same way that I think that "Red Hat Linux" is fine, or "SuSE Linux" or "Debian Linux", because if you actually make your own distribution of Linux, you get to name the thing, but calling Linux in general "GNU Linux" I think is just ridiculous
somename: linux is the kernel
kurros: whatever the distribution calls it. Ubuntu. SUSE, etc.
kurros: linux is still there as the kernel
DonScott: lol i'd call it NEW Linux
wasdude: Linux 2.0
Nigey|: but is it ubuntu GNU linux or ubuntu linux .. ?
GNU\colossus: Sir_Brizz: no, as all of those are also distributing GNU, just as much as they distribute Linux
Nevtus: it's ubuntu
kurros: its Ubuntu.. not Ubuntu Linux. there is no mention of "Ubuntu Linux" on ubuntu.com
Nigey|: but that doesnt define it as an os
Sir_Brizz: I think I'll side with Linus Torvalds on this one
Sir_Brizz: sorry
Nigey|: that defines it as a distribution
Nevtus: this is a pointless argument
somename: "ubuntu" includes GNU
Modplan: I just refer to whichever name makes most sense. For someone I'm switching to Linux, I'll mostly refer to Ubuntu
Nevtus: Sir_Brizz: I prefer Linus too, but RMS and GNU do have a point, much of their software IS Linux
Modplan: if it's technical or linux wide, then linux
Nigey|: so where does posix come in?
Nigey|: runs
Sir_Brizz: yes but the point is, it's software
Nevtus: like everything apart from the kernel is GNU
Sir_Brizz: you don't call your OS by the software included with it
r4: Sir_Brizz: is quoting Linus... :P
somename: X11 isnt GNU
Sir_Brizz: unless it is the distribution
somename: a gnu-animal cant have buttons on it. so it also cant have a gui. (aka x11)
Nigey|: see this is the problem with linux
GNU\colossus: somename: that's true, though you cannot build X11 without, e. g., GNU autotools nowadays
Nigey|: it cant even define itself
Nevtus: this is a pointless argument :P
kurros: you could make the same argument with Windows NT
DonScott: I dont have a prob with GNU untill you have to define it to new people to linux and when you say Gnome Not Unix.....they are thinking "WtF?"
r4: i think all of this doesnt matter.... :P
Nigey|: hides behind r4
GNU\colossus: DonScott: it's "GNU's Not UNIX". Not "Gnome's Not UNIX".
Modplan: in anticipation of an assault by proprietary game platform steam, fsf announces GNEAM!
Sir_Brizz: the problem with Linux s that Richard Stallman wants everyone to call it by a stupid name?
GNU\colossus: GNOME is the GNU Network Object Model Environment
DonScott: yeah well
Nigey|: pmsl Modplan
Nigey|: linux is gnu - CONFIRMED !
Modplan: ZOMG
somename: how is the hurd kernel going ,btw?
DonScott: same endstory colossus
Sir_Brizz: LOL
wasdude: Just call it Gnux - much shorter and more fun to say
Sir_Brizz: hurd
somename: ye
DonScott: they "WtF?" and go back to windows
Nevtus: Gnome Not Unix, lol...
DonScott: lol yeah my bad
somename: *doors
Sir_Brizz: I think we should all start calling it "Richard Stallman's Implementation of the Linux Kernel Into GNU Software Packages"
Sir_Brizz: and never shorten it
Nigey|: pmsl
wasdude: RSILKIGSP
Nevtus: linux users are pedantic - CONFIRMED
wasdude: I like it
Nigey|: i cant say that sober, how am i meant to say what os i have when im drunk!
Sir_Brizz: lol
DonScott: lol Nevtus
Modplan: "...as impemented and maintained by the FSF"
Modplan: "...as regularly as we can and to the best of our ability and we hope you like enjoy!"
wasdude: " ... the Linux Kernel originally written by Linus Torvalds ..."
Nevtus: I wonder when Steam on Hurd is planned
Modplan: "...when he was but a young penguin and stallman before his crazy was quite as crazy as it is now..."
Sir_Brizz: There are lots of people on this bus; I don't hear a clamor of support that GNU is more essential than many of the other components; can't take a wheel away, and end up with a functional vehicle, or an engine, or the seats. I recommend you be happy we have a bus.
Modplan: beard*
Nigey|: more like a ... tank..than a bus :D
somename: a gnu and a penguin a throwing apples through 7 windows
Sir_Brizz: :)
Nigey|: windows is like a .. beetle
wasdude: RMS and Bill Gates walk into a bar ...
Sir_Brizz: should we call it (in the case of using KDE) XGNUKDE/Linux ?
bmunger: you all need to knock it off about attacking richard stallman, without his efforts we wouldnt be as free as we are today
Nevtus: Kinux
Sir_Brizz: bmunger: doesn't make him less of a douchebag
Nigey|: pmsl
Modplan: What if I change a personal preferece? GNUXUXOMEMODPLAN
GNU\colossus: the argument is moot. you don't need KDE or X11 to get the Linux kernel up and running. you're a poor sob without GNU though.
somename: richard stallman > linus torvalds
GNU\colossus: but it's easy to be a trolling ass about that
somename: he rocks.
bmunger: he is not a douchebag, he is very driven to the cause, and i agree with most of his views
Sir_Brizz: I'm sorry for you then
Sir_Brizz: :)
Nigey|: i dontknow enough to comment...
Modplan: meh, i like them both. One is more political, one is more pragmatic
DonScott: I don't think he's a bad guy.....I just find him to be a bit extremist.
Modplan: I perfectly agree with many of stallmans views, though don't always implement them in practice
bmunger: you need extremists in in the area he is fighting
GNU\colossus: DonScott: so "uncompromising" is "extremist" in newspeak?
Sir_Brizz: anyway just to point out, you can have Linux without GNU
Sir_Brizz: you just probably won't
bmunger: try compiling linux without gnu
Modplan: Never viewed him as an extremeist, but he's very dedicated. That's not a bad thing
somename: you need gcc for compiling
bmunger: correct
somename: which is a part of gnu
wasdude: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#GNU_project
wasdude: tmyk
GNU\colossus: you can theoretically get Linux to compile with, for example, tcc. noone de facto does that, hoewever.
The_Muh: dont like stallman... he's very extreme
wasdude: "Stallman argues that not using "GNU" in the name of the operating system unfairly disparages the value of the GNU project and harms the sustainability of the free software movement by breaking the link between the software and the free software philosophy of the GNU project."
DonScott: ok.....dedicated and uncompromising would be better than extremist....it's not like he's a terrorist
DonScott: again my bad
bmunger: when it comes to freedom, why would you want to compromise?
wasdude: because freedom != usability
GNU\colossus: if you decide to put "Linux" into your distro's name in a prominent manner, you should also give "GNU" its fair share of credit, as it probably contributes at least as much (glibc, toolchain, coreutils, shell, et al.) to the package you're building
rpj8: honestly when i tell my mother what i use on my computers, she doesn't say 'ugh, you pleb, you forgot the gnu *scoff scoff*'
Modplan: Perhaps it's better we don't go down this road. Gonna end in flame wats
Modplan: wars*
Sir_Brizz: lol rpj8
somename: #include "brain.h"
The_Muh: GNU\colossus: so... you ubuntu have to add "gnome" too?
The_Muh: or apt
DonScott: I just think he needs a better recursive acronym ....like LIG Linux Is Gnu
GNU\colossus: The_Muh: please just read my earlier comments. thank you.
Nevtus: the last thing we need is more cryptic acronyms
Modplan: I think it's a case of what you view as appropriate branding. Stallman is understandably wanting specifics for credit and the like, whereas most people generalise and use shorthand for conveniance
The_Muh: oh... "linxu" in the dist-name
Sir_Brizz: colossus, nobody argues agout the value of GNU software, but you don't call a system by the software included with it
The_Muh: dont know much distributions with "linux" in the name... only one
Nigey|: f*ck it lets just call it unix
GNU\colossus: it's not that rms want to get credit for GNU where it is (imho) deserved. he wants the message that GNU transpires to be heard by the people who use it, and probably don't even know that they are using it.
DonScott: lol Nigey
wasdude: nah, BSD is catchier
Nevtus: Nigey|: GNU is Not Unix!
somename: i also know one: arch linux (best distro outta there)
Nigey|: lol
The_Muh: Arch GNU/Linux <- sounds stupid
The_Muh: PCGnu/LinuxOS <- dito
GNU\colossus: The_Muh: so does your nickname :)
rpj8: I'm going to start calling it Linux/GNU >:)
rpj8: HEH.
somename: it doesnt sound stupid, its just a bit too long
rpj8: take, THAT, RICHARD
Sir_Brizz: it sounds stupid
Nigey|: muh!!!!!
The_Moo: skolegnu/linux
Modplan: GNU/Colossus i know. Stallman is one to take definitions of words more seriously than most, but for others they probably prefer to debate and consider the 2 separately (freedom and Linuux), and also don't want tongue twisters
rpj8: GNLinUx
somename: LiGNUx
wasdude: If only Linus and RMS could agree on what to call it then we'd have world peace
riisen: gnuix
somename: *word
The_Moo: btw... when i make a dist... its my freedom to choose the name, right?
GNU\colossus: The_Moo: barring trademark restrictions, it is, yes
wasdude: lol - "In a similar vein, the debate over the name for the operating system is sometimes characterized as a trivial distraction; e.g. John C. Dvorak wrote "the Linux community spends too much of its energy on things such as nomenclature (like the name GNU/Linux versus Linux)."
The_Moo: soo... why stallman is angry? he's loving the freedom
DonScott: also.....the names on a lot of the programs that are for linux are confusing......kdenlive does not sound like a video editor
Modplan: He's worried about promoting the cause
somename: because a lot of newbs think that linus torvalds has written whole GNU/Linux
Nevtus: you don't have to use Linux with GNU btw. There is GNU/kFreeBSD and (perhaps in a more stable form in the future) GNU/Hurd
Nigey|: http://hothardware.com/Articles/The-State-of-DirectX-11/
Nigey|: hmmmmmmm
The_Moo: somename: thats not causes by the name... i think
GNU\colossus: I don't get what your problem with rms' stance is anyway. he's not saying he'd like to sue the crap out of anyone referring to "GNU/Linux" as "Linux". he's saying he'd appreciate more people calling it by its name of "GNU/Linux", so that more people could get to know the benefits for users that stem from software being free as in freedom.
somename: sure
The_Moo: i know a lot of people who think bill gates wrote windows
mastertheknife: Nigey|: OpenGL 4.0 doesn't see DX 11
The_Moo: (bill gates only)
Sir_Brizz: somename: that doesn't really warrant changing the name or making it longer or more confusing though
Modplan: obviosuly he can't force torvalds to call his system gnu/linux, but he wants ways to promote software freedom and such
GNU\colossus: Nevtus: I regularly used most of GNU on SunOS and AIX
Nigey|: good point mastertheknife
GNU\colossus: GNU is astonishingly flexible
somename: microsoft didnt even write 1 line of their code ^^
Modplan: one way of doing so is name convention, as it helps point people to saisd site which is all about that
AsciiWolf: hello
The_Moo: linux is only the kernel - okay. so. why linus should name the kernel GNU/linux=
Nevtus: it's not the only kernel
The_Moo: android uses linux - wihtout gnu
The_Moo: *without
somename: the kernel is linux. GNU is the base software. both togehter is what you are currently using
GNU\colossus: The_Moo: it's not the kernel that should be renamed, it's the combinations of GNU and Linux that should be named accordingly
Sir_Brizz: GNU is SOME of the base software
GNU\colossus: GNU is the defining base software.
Sir_Brizz: I'm pretty sure that no desktop user would be using Linux witrhout X
Modplan: servers?
GNU\colossus: Sir_Brizz: my cousind and one of his co-workers does
Nevtus: this conversion is so stereotypical
The_Moo: GNU\colossus: i understand the sentence, but why stallman attacks linus?
GNU\colossus: cousin*
wasdude: "In 1991, Linus Torvalds, a Finnish student, used the GNU development tools to produce the Linux kernel. The existing programs from the GNU project were readily ported to run on the resultant platform; most sources use the name Linux to refer to the general-purpose operating system thus formed."
Sir_Brizz: that's fiune, but the vast majority of Linux desktop users are using X
Sir_Brizz: just like there are a few people using Linux without GNU
GNU\colossus: Sir_Brizz: the vast majority of GNU/Linux distros use GNU
Nigey|: hey AsciiWolf
Sir_Brizz: you're kind of provintg my point there
GNU\colossus: I don't see how.
Nevtus: Sir_Brizz: are you leaving out server usage?
GNU\colossus: btw, what toolchain do they build andorid's kernel with?
Sir_Brizz: most distros use GNU. Most distros use X
GNU\colossus: (I honestly don't know, but I do have an idea what it could be)
Nevtus: oh nevermind, read GNU as GUI
somename: GNUI
The_Moo: again: why i should name my dist "Muh Gnu/Linux"? If i want the name "MuhLinux" stallman must accept my freedom of choice (about the name). over
monreal: 99.9% of linux users do not only use "linux" and "gnu" software
GNU\colossus: The_Moo: yeah, he must. but doesn't he have the right to criticize your choice, too?
Modplan: stallman does. He'd just prefer it if people when referring to the combination of Linux adn GNU tools to refer to it as GNU/Linux
Nevtus: he can still disagree with it, but it's not like he's going to hunt you down
Sir_Brizz: most servers use Apache
Sir_Brizz: that's not GNU either
The_Moo: GNU\colossus: yes. but not so extreme
GNU\colossus: Sir_Brizz: you're being an ignorant prick.
GNU\colossus: The_Moo: so are you
Sir_Brizz: I'm being right
GNU\colossus: I'm out of here; have better things to do
GNU\colossus: just read what I wrote earlier
rpj8: angyr nerd is angry
rpj8: >:(
Sir_Brizz: if we're going to require including the name of software people use when they speak about their OS, we would have very long names
GNU\colossus: pfff. children these days…
The_Moo: he can say "when you add "gnu/" it would be nice. but i accept this name too. cause i can't change it."
pioto: gnu/linux/xorg/gnome/mozilla/...
Sir_Brizz: if someone uses Cygwin in Windows for tons of things, then they should call their OS CygwinGNU/Windows
The_Moo: lol
somename: you should know that GNU is much important than the linux kernel
somename: *more
Sir_Brizz: it is?
somename: yep
Sir_Brizz: can you run Linux without the kernel?
The_Moo: somename: call that to the android-devs
pioto: yes. without /bin/ls, what would you do?
wasdude: it's symbiotic
somename: linux IS the kernel
Sir_Brizz: exactly
Nevtus: you're using a GNU system with the linux kernel
Sir_Brizz: Linux IS the operating system
somename: linux is not a operating system
Modplan: linux doesn't exist without gnu tools
Sir_Brizz: GNU is the base software package included with Linux
The_Moo: you can start the kernel without gnu. but gnu without any kernel is sensless
somename: dont be ignorant and deny GNU
Sir_Brizz: I'm not
Sir_Brizz: GNU is the base software package included with Linux
Sir_Brizz: packages*
Modplan: linux only exists because of gnu tools
somename: Modplan: yepp
Sir_Brizz: my point is you can't have one without the other
Modplan: that;s why stallman advocates GNU/Linux
Sir_Brizz: what would we have without the Linux kernel? GNU Hurd?
The_Moo: Sir_Brizz: next year, maybe
DonScott: we'
Sir_Brizz: sorry, but Linux is what popularized the platform
Sir_Brizz: The_Moo: yeah, next year every year since 1993?
somename: what would we have without GNU? no input/output, no bootmanager, no compiler, no text editor , nothing
DonScott: wed still be waiting for it ...=p
Modplan: linux platform doesn't exist without gnu tools
GNU\colossus: bullshit. noone cares about which kernel he uses, as most ppl don't interact with it at all.
Sir_Brizz: doesn't matter
wasdude: Linux is the kernel, GNU are the tools that run on the kernel, GNU/Linux is the combined efforts - but I still call it Linux because it's easier
Sir_Brizz: Hurd is non functional
gitano: the coolest thing about linux is... it keeps ppl occupied discussing wether what is linux and what is not
The_Moo: somename: grub is from gnu?
gitano: :P
The_Moo: and lilo?
Sir_Brizz: and people care if their system is non functional
GNU\colossus: I'd be happy with GNU/kFreeBSD or GNU/Solaris as well
somename: grub is
somename: anyways
DonScott: ylol gitano
GNU\colossus: Sir_Brizz: wrong. HURD actually works. there are livecd for it.
Sir_Brizz: yes and it sucks
Modplan: Sir_Brizz, your own argument kinda said it all
Sir_Brizz: Hurd has worked for a long time
GNU\colossus: Sir_Brizz: that's your opinion, and you're entitled to have one.
Modplan: "my point is you can't have one without the other"
somename: --------------- STOP ------------
wasdude: gg all
Modplan: MY BRAKES DON'T WORK FUCK FUCK FUCK
sanone: ------------ HAMMERTIME ------------------
Sir_Brizz: Modplan: that still doesn't mean you should call a system by the software inscluded on it
gitano: fetches popcorn
somename: alright. if you respect richard stallmans work, use GNU/Linux
somename: he did a lot. you just dont know it
Modplan: let's just agree to disagree, this is gonna be endless
Nevtus: he did most of it up until Linus added the missing link (kernel)
pioto: hrm. i don't buy the argument that valve is seeing large number of wine devices in their hardware survey... i can't identify any on their site: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/
gitano: Modplan: but entertaining, everytime again :D
somename: the kernel can be extremely basic. the os would still work
GNU\colossus: somename: GNU's not Stallman's work alone, of course. there are thousands of contributors.
somename: yeah. but he was the "founder"
somename: *is
wasdude: I do respect RMS's work, though I don't agree with all his views. I acknowledge and appreciate GNU/Linux, but in my opinion I should be able to call it Linux and drop the GNU.
wasdude: that is all
gitano: what about LinGNUx
GNU\colossus: if it weren't for Linux, we might have HURD today. or another kernel. who knows. Linux was a rather quick hack that turned out to be good enough to serve as GNU's primary kernel. I'm perfectly fine with that.
Sir_Brizz: I appreciate his work just fine. I'll acknowledge that without his software, Linux wouldn't be where it is today
The_Moo: freedom means: you can do want you want. so you can ignore the wish of stallman - or not. agree?!
Sir_Brizz: Personally, I just think it's pointless to confuse what Linux is
GNU\colossus: The_Moo: that's not true. that's not what freedom is.
Sir_Brizz: you don't tell everyone you use Microsoft Windows all the time
Sir_Brizz: you just say Windows
somename: so what?
wasdude: Q: What is Linux? A: It's not Windows or Mac. It's the other one.
Sir_Brizz: likely with Linux you'll say you're using Ubuntu or Arch or Gentoo or whatever, not even Linux
The_Moo: GNU\colossus: just my opinion.
somename: microsoft is a company. you cant compare it with GNU
Nevtus: that makes no sense Sir_Brizz
wasdude: yeah - bad example
Sir_Brizz: I'm saying you simplify the name
DonScott: can't we all just get along.....?
Sir_Brizz: I'm sure microsoft would love if you plug their name along with all their products
wasdude: how about Darwin OSX?
DonScott: gets beat up
wasdude: that might be a better example
gitano: thinks LiGNUx hurds
Sir_Brizz: I'm just saying, you shorten the name of whatever you're using
The_Moo: discussing all the time... yeah... my brain is overloaded... (too much english in a short time...)
The_Moo: afk
Sir_Brizz: Linux isn't very descriptive moxst of the time either, because there are lots of distribution
Sir_Brizz: s
somename: thats why they have names
Sir_Brizz: I don't see Linux out there telling everyone to call Ubuntu GNU/LinuxUbuntu
Modplan: If someone is interested, then I go into linux and maybe even GN, bit otherwise I refer to distribution name
Sir_Brizz: Linus*
gitano: DonScott: well, i bet everybody is kinda pushed with adrenaline here (considering the latest "news")
gitano: at least is, heh
DonScott: what news ?
gitano: the old news
wasdude: steamonlinux.com duh
DonScott: oh yeah lol
Modplan: steam being confirmed via pengions and australian flags
gitano: the notrealnews
DonScott: thats Nigey/Uk page i think
Sir_Brizz: lol
Sir_Brizz: someone bought steamonlinux.com
Sir_Brizz: hahahaha
wasdude: yeah - he's waiting for the takedown notice
wasdude: lol
gitano: enjoys live in the linux jungle: a telegraph message was caught, now the phoronix drum beats throughout the bush :D
DonScott: he should give it to valve if they release and support the client for it.
wasdude: we need a gfx guy to make a pic with the back of a penguins head and a valve sticking out of it
GNU\colossus: wasdude: in ASCII art!
DonScott: yeah
wasdude: then it will be confirmed
Sir_Brizz: I can't wait for GNU/Steam to come out!
DonScott: lmao
wasdude: it'll be epic
mastertheknife: lol
somename: a kernel called steam...awesome
The_Moo: http://themuh.ath.cx/gnu/ =)
giselher: does wikipedia have a new look
Sir_Brizz: I just thought since you can't have Steam on Linux without the GNU packages... well, you know
Sir_Brizz: :p
rpj8: steam/gnu
Sir_Brizz: lol
Nigey|: ill offer valve the domain for a discount
Nigey|: a working linux client, and it's theirs ;)
wasdude: what if they give you the client but no games?
wasdude: cuz that would be mean
DonScott: valves not that mean
somename: there are already games
Nevtus: sad panda time
gitano: at least we some to go on other gamers nerves, then :P
somename: world of goo e.g.
Nevtus: you don't need Steam for World of Goo
DonScott: a client with games to run off it is pointless
DonScott: err
somename: so what? its still a game
The_Moo: oO the news-page of valve is empty oO
DonScott: a client with no games to run off it is pointless
The_Moo: oh... now it works
Nevtus: the only reason I care about Steam is the games that would come with it. I already own and play World of Goo
gitano: yeah, what woudl be the point of releasing stea and not selling games on it? :P
DeathCrawler: lol
gitano: The_Moo: ack...
DonScott: I still say Linux has the market share of the Mac.....possibly even a lil more if I go based soley on the humble indie bundle stats.
somename: $1,200,637 - 800k left :p
wasdude: DonScott: I'd like to think so but I honestly don't think that's accurate ...
The_Moo: why 800k left?
somename: for 2 mil
The_Moo: what happens when they reach 2 mil?
Sir_Brizz: I think Linux has a larger potential market share
DonScott: they get rich
Sir_Brizz: if they got games on there
somename: no idea.
Sir_Brizz: I know lots of people that would exclusively use linux if they had good games on there
The_Moo: maybe they release world of goo as OSS xD
somename: lets ask bill gates for some money
DonScott: he is a philanthropist now
pioto: "i know lots of people" != a good statistical sample of the population at large
Sir_Brizz: does it need to be?
gitano: well, considering the servers and tons of devices which run linux, the marketshare is huge
Sir_Brizz: nobody has good stats on who WOULD switch to Linux if they could game there
somename: gaming is the last point which stopps people using mac or linux
pioto: for valve to find it financially responsible to invest in a 3rd platform it does
Sir_Brizz: I think that the indie bundle proves that there is money to be made in Linux
gitano: as for desktops, though
Modplan: should note that linux grew by about 1%% from january 08 i think to january 09
gitano: is excited how may dual booters will climb outta their wholes,if it gets released
gitano: *holes
wasdude: tbh, I think if more websites and webapps were more cross platform, linux would take a bigger share as well. i can't put my parents on linux because they use certain websites for work that only work in IE
Modplan: my mum already uses Ubuntu
mjr: much of the porting effort (not all, but a significant amount, what with opengl and all) to macos and linux is shared, so adding both isn't insanely more effort than adding one of them
somename: lol..nice
Modplan: and my brother, and his gf, and his gf's mother...
wasdude: I could set them up with vmware player, but it's just another windows environment to maintain and whats the point
The_Moo: my mother wont try linux =(
Modplan: mine only tried it after getting an old laptop without windows
gitano: my mother was forced to use linux :p
wasdude: I'd like xfire to come out with a linux client
Modplan: best time to get them to switch is when they have something that doesn't already have windows on it
wasdude: that would be nice ...
wasdude: and fraps too
wasdude: ts3 works nice
The_Moo: the Windows-system of my mother is so slowly, booting and starting firefox takes 5 minutes...
wasdude: so buy her a new one ya cheap bastard
somename: lol
gitano: wasdude: what about UDK, 3dsMax as well? :)
wasdude: gitano: I'm just thinking about what I use on a daily basis ... things I would need to consider before switching over
gitano: heh, yeah
wasdude: and you have your own requirements
wasdude: but could you run those through vmware?
Nevtus: not very well
DonScott: they'd be slow
gitano: but honestly.. if mac + linux want to be real alternative to windows as a gaming platform in all aspects...they both need more developer tools
wasdude: and better gfx drivers
Nevtus: linux doesn't have developer tools? what?
gitano: actually the thing i am expeting the most
Nigey|: lol wtf
wasdude: because it's all lowest common denominator at this point
The_Moo: gitano: more developer tools für linux? oO?
somename: linux has enough dev tools
gitano: ok, should've said content creation tools :D
Nevtus: it has lots of them
DonScott: I think it's mainly a learning curve thing honestly ......some people/companies just don't want to learn new stuff.
Nigey|: and lots
Nigey|: like jelly tots
somename: content creation tools?
pioto: yes, things like photoshop, etc
pioto: the gimp is not a replacement for that for serious artists
pioto: from anyone like that i've talked to
gitano: sais, damn: another flamewar territory touched!
somename: once the gimp guys will implement GEGL, it will kick photoshops ass
Nevtus: people like what they know
The_Moo: gegl?
Nevtus: scared of new things
somename: a graph-based image projection thing
rpj8: you know what
DonScott: yeah
rpj8: i've been using gimp for a few years now
GNU\colossus: pioto: maybe because they don't know what it offers. there actually have been international, high-profile design contests in the past which were won by people using the GIMP.
rpj8: I like it better than photoshop
somename: it will allow 16bit, layer-effects etc
rpj8: f the haters
gitano: likes as well
Nevtus: wasdude: if you're talking about 3D content creation Blender is getting better by the day with the developments of 2.5 and if you want commercial Maya has a Linux version as does quite a few other 3D industry apps
gitano: as well as blender: great for a quick start
DonScott: you can still do a lotta good stuff with GIMP and you really can't beat the price.
wasdude: Nevtus: that wasn't me - that was gitano
Nevtus: sorry
Nevtus: gitano then
gitano: hides :D
somename: i doubt that the most of the photoshop guys bought their license
mjr: gimp has its limitations, but mostly for publishing related stuff, not so much software development related content development
DonScott: lol yeah somename
gitano: somename: urm..if these guys wor for a company with ps..they'd better have :P
The_Moo: adobe should release that damn photoshop for linux
GNU\colossus: at work, we shared offices with a local game dev company once. they used blender and gimp exclusively for creating artistic content for their game.
ChemBro: gimp is good enough for me, same for inkscape or synfig-studio
wereHamster: which tools do you use to patch steam? I'm currently trying to make steam work on mac and want to disable the function BEnsureDirectoryCaseInsensitive
The_Moo: someone have enough money for buying adobe?
somename: bill gates
rpj8: ^ lollll
Nevtus: GNU\colossus: how did their projects go, anything released?
The_Moo: maybe we can ask google
somename: *bill gayts
The_Moo: we buy adobe and release photoshop as OSS
gitano: Nevtus: yeah, have been using blender as well as maya on linux, gimp also: all great stuff. still a lot of stuff missing to be a serious platform for game development
somename: GEGL is the answer
GNU\colossus: Nevtus: tbh, it sucked (sucks?) balls. they were creating something like Second Life on LSD. they had Microsoft over their's for three days and were very nearly bought out by them, but the deal was blown off in the last minute.
somename: http://gegl.org/
The_Moo: ask the nexuiz-developer... they should know good developing-stuff for linux
GNU\colossus: Nevtus: they used to be online at www.papermint.at iirc
GNU\colossus: hm. the site's still online.
Nevtus: GNU\colossus: sounds like a bad idea to begin with
giselher: wereHamster: modifying Steam is illegal
GNU\colossus: I'm surprised they didn't kill it.
GNU\colossus: wereHamster: maybe in your jurisdiction
gitano: The_Moo: yeah, no doubt at all :) anyways, not wanting to argue at all. Fact is though, if you're using certain game engines, one used to be stuck with windoze at a point. hopefully this will change, soon :)
The_Moo: hm.. i'm temped to write a mail to google: "please buy adobe and port photoshop to linux"...
Nevtus: don't use those game engines then
ChemBro: The_Moo: I don't think, they are allowed to
The_Moo: y?
giselher: I think adobe will release photoshop for linux aswell one day
somename: when the time will arrive...
ChemBro: antitrust authority or how they are called?
Nevtus: after Abobes problems with Apple I wouldn't be surprised if a linux photoshop came about out of spite
somename: yeah. flash sucks on linux
wasdude: giselher: only if they have a customer ready to buy 5000 licenses
somename: poor adobe
rpj8: flash sucks*
Shunt31: here is the steam script I made to download and install all patches and the old steamclient.so: http://pastebin.com/6gJcvrWQ
somename: alright. it sucks generally
rpj8: ^
rpj8: i'm so glad it's dying
rpj8: no more full websites in flash
rpj8: no more...
somename: is HTML5 good enough?
rpj8: fuck yes it is
somename: hmm
Nevtus: Flash sites are still around
rpj8: not for long, sir.
Nevtus: hopefully
mjr: html5 itself is not that much of a biggie (though canvas is okay, as a complement to svg)
rpj8: ie8 will no longer support flash
mjr: (and video, of course, but nasty about the codec situation)
giselher: ie9 has html video support
eXlin: well i own photoshop cs3 and adobe would allow me to switch that once to mac. if linux photoshop would come i would switch that one to linux if allowed...
DonScott: what's with all the hate on flash ?
DonScott: I still don't understand it
MPX: In other news, Dosbox 0.74 is out.
Modplan: it's shit and doesn't work on anything that isn't windows
DonScott: oooh
mjr: but what I was saying is programmable svg animation can do a lot of stuff without regard to html5 too
eddieate: flash is wrong in so many ways
giselher: as Modplan said
DonScott: well there the problem lol
rpj8: Modplan | it's shit and doesn't work on anything that isn't windows
ChemBro: DonScott: it crashes my browsers oftentimes
somename: yeah. its slow on other oses
eddieate: lol was just talking about how annoyed i am with it in another chan
rpj8: hits is my main complaint
Modplan: chews up cpu, makes pages slow to load, etc.
mjr: flash is just too proprietary to have a place on an interoperable web
giselher: Flash uses up to 60 % of my cpu watching a f** video
Nevtus: can't do hardware acceleration on non-windows platforms either
eddieate: you ever notice if your on a flash site then you can't ctrl+t to open a new tab? seen it on chrome and FF
Nevtus: makes watching HD video on most sites impossibe
rpj8: eddieate: yes
giselher: eddieate: yes
eddieate: rpj8: any idea why that is?
The_Moo: flash is propritary shit.
rpj8: makes watching video on.. ahem... websites that I frequent more difficult, to
The_Moo: scnr
eddieate: i know its not major, but it is fairly annoying
mjr: the player grabs the keyboard focus
giselher: eddieate: catching input events
MPX: Flash works dandy here
somename: they should open source flash
eddieate: ok
MPX: :D
rpj8: eddieate: no. but i usually click someone that isn't based on flash on the website and then do a ctrl t
rpj8: eddieate: like if it's youtube
mjr: somename, that would be a good start, yes
rpj8: clik on the other bits of the page
Modplan: for anyone wandering, you can do games without flash
Nevtus: as a vimperator user, I hate it when flash steals focus
mjr: but honestly, better if it goes away entirely, even if slowly
Modplan: mostly just tech demos at the moment though
eddieate: it only seems to happen on sites where the whole page is flash, so that makes sense
somename: the whole planet earth should be open sourced
mjr: while not a fan of apple, they're doing a good thing in pushing flash towards obsolescence
Modplan: http://linuxers.org/article/some-cool-html5-demos
DonScott: ooh a drum kit
Modplan: the first one is damn cool
Modplan: http://www.microsiervos.com/archivo/internet/juegos-arcade-html-5-no-flash.html HTML 5 8-bit games
Modplan: like pac-man
DonScott: ewww drumkit doesn't work too well in chrome.....booo
NeoRazorX: Bricscad (AutoCAD clon) is now linux native -> http://www.bricsys.com/en_INTL/
Sir_Brizz: ***** OUT OF MEMORY! attempted allocation size: 4117454836 ****
Sir_Brizz: what the crap?
GNU\colossus: 32bit Kernel?
Sir_Brizz: no, 64 bit
Sir_Brizz: this is trying to run the Steam client
GNU\colossus: which is probably a 32bit process
Sir_Brizz: yes
Sir_Brizz: but I have ia32-libs installed
Sir_Brizz: hmm
Sir_Brizz: I see that is 4gb
Sir_Brizz: wtfh
Sir_Brizz: why is it trying to allocate all of my ram?
somename: maybe its bad coded
Sir_Brizz: heh
Modplan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1481931....confirmed?
Modplan: oops... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1481931
somename: wtf is that
somename: Is the PS3 other OS removal indication of Linux Steam client?
somename: aha
Sir_Brizz: hahaha
Modplan: best 2 days in a long time, it's like wild fire
Modplan: everything is confirming steam for linux in a rather odd way
Sir_Brizz: hehe
Sir_Brizz: PENGUINS IN ANTARCTICA STEAM FOR LINUX CONFIRMED!
Sir_Brizz: (there are no penguins in antarctica)
Modplan: :o ICE MELTS AND CREATES STEAM CONFIRMED
Sir_Brizz: (there are no polar bears I mean)
somename: lets see how microsoft reacts on this
Sir_Brizz: MICROSOFT HATES LINUX STEAM CONFIRMED
Wowi: intel removes other os support from pc
Sir_Brizz: lol
Modplan: MS: "we have over 300+ patents on steam, linux not confirmed"
Wowi: PENGUINS CONFIRMED
Modplan: sometimes i wander if every time we say confirmed michaels ears prick up
somename: patents suck
somename: when the wheel were patented a long time ago, we wouldnt have CD's and cars today
somename: same for software
Nigey|: meh
Nigey|: ubuntu starting to pissssssssssssss me off
rpj8: *cough* archlinux
somename: switch to arch
somename: ;)
rpj8: ^
Nigey|: lol i was waiting for that
rpj8: wanna make out
Nigey|: waits for the switch to gentoo bit
rpj8: pfffff
rpj8: i'm a scientist, damnit, not a masochist
ChemBro: Arch Linux \(^_^)/
somename: arch is much cooler, if you ask me
rpj8: \o/
Nigey|: :p
rabauke__: arch is as unstable as ubuntu!
rpj8: ur unstable
Kosava: arch is rock :p
rabauke__: hehe, yes
somename: yes it is!! and windows is the best os outta there!1!oneleven1
rpj8: haha kay have fun!
Nigey|: haaaaaahaha
rpj8: love you too girly
rpj8: ... >:)
Nigey|: screw you hippied im going back to msdos 6.2 !
Nigey|: hippies*
riisen: 0.0
rabauke__: rpj8, but i've to say, that im on testing atm
rpj8: cheater
AsciiWolf: Nigey|, get FreeDOS - you can run even gcc on it :D
Kosava: i was trayed bunch of distros and arch i relly the best :D
ChemBro: Nigey|: why not Haiku OS?
Nigey|: seriously? haha how cool!
Nigey|: BeOS!
rabauke__: u haved "trayed" debian, have u ;P
rabauke__: havent
somename: pacman > apt
rabauke__: ouch
riisen: im so not sure what dist i think is best o.O ..
Kosava: debian,ubuntu,slackware,gentoo,mandriva,fedora,pclos,sabayon...
Kosava: and still arch is best...
Kosava: :D
giselher: someone said ARCH
giselher: ArchLinux is the best
Nigey|: haiku looks funky
giselher: ArchHurd is the second best
somename: i agree
giselher: and clyde is the best libapml package manager
rabauke__: ok, this discussion leads to nothing, as any distro discussion
Kosava: yes it is best, but that is individual some love black,some love blond chicks :p
giselher: libalpm*
giselher: Kosava: I love both
Kosava: i love also red,and brown
Kosava: im not picky too :p
Nigey|: Google is reportedly in talks with General Motors about putting Android into cars, allowing remote unlocking and startup while rendering GM's OnStar product redundant.
Nigey|: hmmz
DonScott: screw you hippied im going back to msdos 6.2 ! <-----even funnier if Cartman from Southpark says it.
Nigey|: lol
Modplan: just reminded me of some thread in the steam forums where someone was complaining about Windows 2000 support being dropped
somename: lol... who is still using windows 2k these days?
Modplan: apparently someone who in all these years never thought to upgrade whilst he had a job
Modplan: was complaining about he couldn't afford a newer windows due to recent job loss :/
somename: microsoft will drop win 2k support soon ,too
Sir_Brizz: july i think
somename: yeah
Modplan: exactly. I did my bit and pointed to Ubuntu (alongside WINE)
Modplan: http://durian.blender.org/download/ trailer for Sintel (blender movie project)
DonScott: lol windows 2k
DonScott: i think it's kinda sad people are that ignorant of computers
Modplan: There's this whole magical box element going on
Modplan: "I presses the button and it does mah taxes!"
riisen: Modplan, <3
Modplan: \o/ I am loved and belong
The_Moo: any news?
Sir_Brizz: THE MOO SHOWED UP STEAM ON LINUX CONFIRMED
riisen: yea they are ditching win2k support
kloplop321: is still alive
The_Moo: what is sintel?
The_Moo: a game?
somename: 2014 -> xp drop
Modplan: maybe with dropping win2k they have spare programmers that will work on linux?
kloplop321: w2k is lame
Modplan: The_Moo sintel is a short film, being produced by Blender guys
The_Moo: ah. cool
The_Moo: i watched elephants dream
riisen: that sounds nasty o.O
Modplan: voice acting in that one seemed a bit off, but still pretty good
The_Moo: damn good animated trailer
The_Moo: looks better thand some cinema-movies =)
The_Moo: is sad now... =/
Shunt31: Corrupt JPEG data: 57 extraneous bytes before marker 0xdb
giselher: The_Moo: Why :( .. Steam for linux is already confirmed :)
Shunt31: I get that error in steam on wine
somename: i get that often ,too
The_Moo: giselher: a song
Sir_Brizz: Shunt31: the native client gets that
The_Moo: unheilig - an deiner seite
Shunt31: then it crashes with fixme:threadpool:RtlQueueWorkItem Flags 0x4 not supported
oNNy: The_Moo: an deiner seite means "on your site" and unheilig means "unholy" ;D
Sir_Brizz: mastertheknife: ?
Shunt31: Sir_Brizz: I know, I get it quite a bit
The_Moo: oNNy: right. but these are names =)
oNNy: :)
The_Moo: oNNy: and my english-teacher said: "dont translate names"
Shunt31: apparently steam on wine with xp compatibility works now apparently
Sir_Brizz: you don't need vista anymore?
Sir_Brizz: maybe the Mac support stuff cleared that up
Shunt31: Nope
Shunt31: still crashes with that queuework item though
Nigey|: brb
The_Moo: oNNy: and "an deiner seite" sounds much better than "on your site" xD
giselher: "on your site" reminds me of a website
somename: isnt it "side"?
somename: come to the dark side. we got cookies^^
giselher: seite = side, site, page
The_Moo: in this case "side" is correct...
The_Moo: just a typo =)
oNNy: oh sorry for that
The_Moo: german is strange... not your bad
oNNy: also ich finde, deutsch ist doch eine recht schwierige sprache
giselher: I find ned
oNNy: ;)
The_Moo: oNNy: you speak german?
giselher: austrian german is the best
oNNy: The_Moo: yes :)
The_Moo: giselher: nobody understands austrian german... and bavarian
mastertheknife: Sir_Brizz: hi
The_Moo: american people speaking german - sounds very funny
mastertheknife: lol
mastertheknife: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14928092&posted=1#post14928092
DonScott: haha
GNU\colossus: if GNU/Linux still were in the stone age of desktop computing, we probably would have to download executable installers, or use those provided on optical media
somename: lmao
GNU\colossus: thankfully, that isn't the case, as package repositories enable software installation with unparalleled ease.
mastertheknife: updated it now
mastertheknife: lol
somename: somebody got torchlight demo working in steam?
mastertheknife: linked him to this for expecting autorun in windows, lol http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
mastertheknife: expecting autorun in linux*
wasdude: mastertheknife: didn't MS disable autorun on Win 7?
mastertheknife: doubt it
mastertheknife: but that link is very good
mastertheknife: its why many people don't get along with linux
mastertheknife: because they expect it to be like windows
wasdude: http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/04/27/improvements-to-autoplay.aspx
somename: this is one of the only 7 improvements of windows 7 over vista
wasdude: it was disabled for removable media, not for CD/DVD drives ...
wasdude: I think that was the crux of it ...
christian_lappy_: hehe guys
christian_lappy_: good news !
mastertheknife: christian_lappy_: how so?
somename: lol
christian_lappy_: mastertheknife: i asked telegraph where they got the infrpoamtion for mac/linux steam from ...
somename: good news: timeout
christian_lappy_: somename: :P
mastertheknife: yeah its obviously from valve
wasdude: almost bash worthy
mastertheknife: they wouldn't post something like that
christian_lappy_: mastertheknife: that was exactly what the telegraph guys is telling me per email
somename: no joke?
christian_lappy_: no joke !
christian_lappy_: the information is from valve and i should contact them for more info
somename: nice rice with ice which got an awesome price. and a free dice
somename: which is nice
mastertheknife: christian_lappy_: Valve actually contacted many websites regarding an upcoming linux client announcement
mastertheknife: Believe me, i know :)
christian_lappy_: great
christian_lappy_: i'm off, driving hiome now..cu later guys
mastertheknife: cu :)
somename: really good news
mastertheknife: thanks for the info though :)
mastertheknife: its good to know
somename: and why doesnt valve do that officially?
mastertheknife: giselher: hey saw my post there? :P
somename: too early client?
mastertheknife: no
mastertheknife: they wanted to announce it already
mastertheknife: but they probably chose to delay it because of the Mac
mastertheknife: not to steal the focus from the Mac
DonScott: see
DonScott: I told you all
somename: seems to make sense
somename: nice.
mastertheknife: they will probably do it next week
DonScott: it was marketing
giselher: mastertheknife: yupe saw it .)
Megagun: mastertheknife: post where
mastertheknife: Megagun: steam official forums
mastertheknife: i picked on someone :$
mastertheknife: Megagun: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1173683&page=55
giselher: I choosed a mod to pick on
Megagun: heh
giselher: steam forums is fun
mastertheknife: yeah
mastertheknife: heh
giselher: There is a reason why almost every on gives solutions in terminal commands
giselher: one*
Modplan: ffs i keep trying to scroll up but empathy is fecking dick
DonScott: don't use empathy for irc lol
somename: xchat ftw
DonScott: it's horrible
DarkDefender: finch ftw! :D
mastertheknife: irssi ftw
Modplan: i like ampathy in general, it's just this one annoying thing. Every time a new post is it autoscrolls to the bottom
DonScott: yeh
mastertheknife: oh.. not in irssi :)
DonScott: I like empathy too but it needs more work
mastertheknife: this is irssi, its GUI less: http://i.imgur.com/NBSvr.jpg
markatto: weechat ftw
JEEB: irssi is good until you need to have around 60-70 channels
JEEB: or well more like over 30 is the first limit :3
markatto: weechat in a screen session on a server so i'm always connected
JEEB: esc+o being 19 or so, and then 10 times alt+right to get to 29 >_>
mastertheknife: JEEB: Oh, good to know, i am only on 10-15 channels usually
mastertheknife: giselher: the mod replied :P
markatto: JEEB: I don't know of a client that handles more than that well
JEEB: of course if you like longer key combos, I guess you can start making weird links to further channels >_>
Megagun: Never heard of weechat. Looks like a fork of irssi.
DonScott: also that Screenshot show me telling you all that it was a marketing decission. lol
markatto: Megagun: it is not
markatto: why do people keep saying that? lol
The_Moo: im in 5 channels... weechat
markatto: I'm in 21 channels
JEEB: markatto, you usually need some kind of listing you can easily go through for that
JEEB: I use xchat at home for that
markatto: xchat isn't bad
Megagun: It looks a lot like irssi! :P
JEEB: so that I have a list I can easily enough click
The_Moo: my weechat runs on my vserver
Megagun: markatto, does it have per-nick coloring like in X-chat?
markatto: JEEB: I dislike clicking things
markatto: Megagun: yes
Megagun: Interesting.
JEEB: markatto, me too -- but let's just say that when you have many channels you start to see the good thing in it
JEEB: Another thing I hate is how they still haven't got their recode stuff completely fine. F.ex. My irssi is mostly UTF-8, but then I want to join iso-2022-jp encoded channels so I have to use an outside perl script to do that >_>
giselher: mastertheknife: how do I get reputation points in the forum, you have already 6 points o_O
Megagun: installs
burra: hands up: who is running irssi? me for one
Megagun: hands up
burra: Megagun: :)
giselher: weechat-curses FTW
The_Moo: +1
burra: have not tested weechat-curses
The_Moo: runs since a month here
markatto: weechat has the best plugins ever
markatto: weeget is basically a package manager for plugins
megagun1: derp
Megagun: hurp
mastertheknife: giselher: I don't know.. some people gave me them i guess..
markatto: iset and newsbar are also lifesavers
mastertheknife: giselher: there is this button that you can give +rep to people
burra: http://www.weechat.org/shots/weechat_2009-08-26_daemon.png/
burra: seems nice
megagun1: I like the nickname coloring..
Sir_Brizz: mastertheknife: have you seen Steam trying to allocate all of your ram?
maligor: mm, apt-cache search weechat gave me quassel.. now that looks interesting
mastertheknife: wow that looks big but nice
mastertheknife: Sir_Brizz: i use it through wine with wine 1.1.44, so far no problems
JEEB: quassel isn't bad, it just fails with DCC (in other words doesn't support it)
megagun1: Thanks for bringing it up. I'll quit now and read some docs on it later. Must shoot at random newbs on the Interwebs now!
maligor: JEEB, uhhuh.. DCC is fail in itself
Megagun: (it sure looks by default a lot better than irssi)
maligor: are weechat and quassel identical concepts?
mastertheknife: Megagun: irssi can be used with screen for more windows and stuff, i just don't use it
mastertheknife: but it doesnt mean its not possible :)
JEEB: maligor, it is fail, but I have people who send me files etc. from time to time
meGenius: mastertheknife: such??
giselher: btw; we could finally change the topic to "STEAM FOR LINUX CONFIRMED"
mastertheknife: meGenius: just search in google you'll find :)
Modplan: if a steam client segfaults in a terminal and nobody is around to see it, is it confirmed
Modplan: ?
wasdude: yeah, its in dmesg
maligor: giselher, why?
wao: ttp://theoatmeal.com/comics/banshee
wao: ups sry
giselher: maligor: because it's confirmed
maligor: doesn't weechat have a nice gui?
maligor: giselher, really?
giselher: christian_lappy_: got an email from the uk newspaper
mastertheknife: maligor: Confirmed, not announced. A user from #phoronix contacted The Telegraph and asked them for their Source, and they said Valve.
maligor: And journalists never lie, mhm
mastertheknife: I doubt the site would do something like that
mastertheknife: They can get sued
giselher: mastertheknife: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1267023 people still complain
maligor: mastertheknife, as if
wasdude: confirmed on linux reminds me of this: http://bash.org/?434593
giselher: I portal would be available for linux, I would cry like little schoolgirl :)
mastertheknife: giselher: Yeah i read a little, hard to satisfy those spoiled kids. They don't understand its still a beta, just an open one.
DonScott: LMAO first post wanted GTA:4 on a mac
mastertheknife: giselher: You should still buy it for free, because after may 24th it returns original price. And then when steam for linux comes you'll be able to play it for free
maligor: isn't it just free to play until 24th... not buy
mastertheknife: no
somename: you can keep portal forever
mastertheknife: Yeah
mastertheknife: Valve confirmed that
maligor: does quassel suck lots of ram?
mastertheknife: But you can only buy it for free until may 24th, I did it now so later i will be able to play it for free when it comes to linux :)
maligor: I guess I'll see soon
DonScott: it's free untill the 24th , meaning if you didn't download it then you'll have to pay for it.
mastertheknife: You will be still able to play it after the 24th
DonScott: yeah
mastertheknife: even without downloading actually
mastertheknife: At first it didn't show up in my Library unless being downloaded, but restarting steam fixed that
giselher: I already registered it
DonScott: I bought the orangebox when it first came out so i already have it.
maligor: yeah, same here
DonScott: the end song is still the best ever
mastertheknife: I wonder what game Valve will give for free in linux client launch
giselher: HL2
somename: will they?
giselher: dunno
DonScott: G-mod lol
giselher: Portal 2
mastertheknife: It won't be G-Mod, he is such a M$ fanboy
mastertheknife: Maybe Portal 2 indeed
DonScott: yeah i know it was a joke
mastertheknife: oh :)
The_Moo: garry is an M$-fanboy?
giselher: The Linux Steam forum, will be like: "Oh my fscking god, we love you valve"
The_Moo: my classmate don't will be lucky about that
maligor: uhh.. quassel sucks memory like a pig
DonScott: I still think he will change his mind once he sees the money he's his missing out on.
The_Moo: my weechat use 8 MB (running 30 days)
giselher: If there are some Ubuntu users complaining about steam, kick there asses
giselher: I will kick
giselher: my english is bad today
The_Moo: giselher: where are you from?
DonScott: he's from Mars
somename: i dont think so
The_Moo: oh... that causes his bad ping xD
DonScott: lol
The_Moo: omg... i begin to think in english oO
mastertheknife: he is in the US probably :P
The_Moo: the land of stupid, fat and religios people? (soryy, could not resist)
ChemBro: germany has many fat people, too
DonScott: HEY, I'M NOT RELIGIOUS.
DonScott: but the other two yes
The_Moo: DonScott: just a stereotype
The_Moo: (or cliche... dunno which word is right in this sentence)
DonScott: stereotype
DonScott: becareful you might become like us......mwahahah
The_Moo: and we all drunk beer every day ... btw: my bottle is empty
The_Moo: cheers
giselher: The_Moo: Austria
The_Moo: giselher: oh... das haste ja schon mehrmals erwähnt... mein gedächtnis is wie'n sieb... (<- cant say this in english, sry)
giselher: I am neither religious nor fat
The_Moo: u aren't from USA
oNNy: what's "sieb" in english?
giselher: The_Moo: Na, wiso
giselher: grid?
giselher: sieve?
oNNy: hm right
giselher: sifter?
mamalujo: from mars, one should have 6 to 44 minutes minimal round trip time, depending on current relative position of earth and mars
DonScott: lol
rabauke__: lol
oNNy: lol
giselher: I think the most (active) people in this room are speaking german (or some subforms)
The_Moo: mamalujo: match. watch the time between my question to giselher and his answer
The_Moo: giselher: english sounds better
rabauke__: giselher, i support that
wasdude: I'm actively lurking ... does that count?
Wicked: hey guys any more updates since yesterday>
giselher: The_Moo: why the time between question and anwser?
mamalujo: subforms of german? what whould that be? austrian? swiss german?
Wicked: or is it still "confirmed" but not be steam hehe
Wicked: *but not by steam
The_Moo: giselher: the time between my question and your answer is the "Ping"
DonScott: still not confirmed by valve/steam
giselher: The_Moo: I am semi-active, always playing gish in the background and lurking in the forums
Wicked: ah
The_Moo: giselher: hmm - accepted
eXlin: nice, i got my steam account back ;)
The_Moo: eXlin: why you lost it?
giselher: eXlin: really? how?
eXlin: support request to valve
oNNy: i thought steam for linux was confirmed on "the guardian" ?
maligor: eXlin, what happened to it?
Shunt31: oNNy: on the telegraph
Wicked: oNNy, everything ive seen so far is confirmed though a "inside source at steam"
mastertheknife: steam forums are funny: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1267252
eXlin: and i lost it because of lack of masking password when posting data to pastebin (and linked it here...)
Wicked: which is unofficial.
mastertheknife: (look at the reply)
mastertheknife: Its confirmed, christian_lappy emailed the Telegraph and they said its from Valve.
The_Moo: lol
giselher: lmao
giselher: bet he did
The_Moo: maybe with a chainsaw
The_Moo: (cause its a l4d2-ad)
mastertheknife: hehe
mastertheknife: yeah
giselher: never played L4D
giselher: The only VALVe title I palyed was HL2 and CS
Wicked: i say if valve announces they are not gonna bring steam to linux...we riot.
giselher: massive
DonScott: L4D is pretty good.....I haven't played Left 4 Dead 2 yet
mastertheknife: L4D is nice.
mastertheknife: I was disappointed how fast L4D2 came out
mastertheknife: I bought L4D when it got released, and shortly after, they announced L4D 2
DonScott: yeah that was kinda a kick in the balls
mastertheknife: yeah
Sir_Brizz: I didn't mind how fast it came out
christian_lappy: lol
Sir_Brizz: I don't like L4D2 as much as L4D though
christian_lappy: i will get both when they are released native :-)
giselher: I will get every valve game if they're native
christian_lappy: me too :-)
christian_lappy: think we can change the topic :-)
giselher: mastertheknife: gimme +rep too :)
mastertheknife: lol ok
Sir_Brizz: why change the topic?
mastertheknife: i'm considering buying the Complete Pack on a new account once steam for linux comes out
giselher: I will look like a fool arguing with a mod with 700 reps
giselher: The best is I get the uncesored version in austria :)
christian_lappy: Sir_Brizz: regarding to the teletraph they recieved the info theyposted directly from valve :-)
giselher: Whilst the germans getting only censored stuff
Sir_Brizz: christian_lappy: who said?
mastertheknife: Sir_Brizz: Why? is L4D2 much different from L4D?
manaphuun: arrr damn censorship
christian_lappy: Sir_Brizz: i have an email from them :-)
mastertheknife: giselher: I will try giving, but a mod has to approve it i believe, so it might not get there
christian_lappy: christian_lappy: i aksed them about the article :-)
Sir_Brizz: christian_lappy: who at Valve told them?
christian_lappy: Sir_Brizz: aksed them about the article :-)
The_Moo: someone asked slashdot?
christian_lappy: Sir_Brizz: that was not part of the email
The_Moo: (about the release-date)
christian_lappy: Sir_Brizz: they told me to ask valve directly for more infos
Sir_Brizz: christian_lappy: http://kotaku.com/5537835/report-reckons-steam-coming-to-linux-too
Sir_Brizz: they've contacted Valve to confirm
giselher: mastertheknife: The reason in the first place I used Linux was money :)
Sir_Brizz: if Telegraph is correct, I'm ecstatic
The_Moo: the screenshot there is a fake or?
mastertheknife: I see you read my post, lol
The_Moo: tf2 on ubuntu ..
Sir_Brizz: The_Moo: probably on Wine
christian_lappy: could be wine
christian_lappy: Sir_Brizz: interested in the email ?
Sir_Brizz: yes
The_Moo: br
The_Moo: *brb
mastertheknife: Yeah that screenshot must be in Wine
giselher: mastertheknife: The guy with the 50 accounts is also from israel :)
mastertheknife: giselher: How do you know ? lol
mastertheknife: oh
mastertheknife: I see
mastertheknife: I hardly believe its 50, steam is not popular around here
giselher: mastertheknife: internet is all around the world
mastertheknife: giselher: hey you have +1 rep now
mastertheknife: lol
somename: the world is all around chuck norris
somename: christian_lappy: what did you wrote them?
christian_lappy: somename: i asked them from what source they had the information for this articel cause i can not find an announcment on the valve site
somename: any answer yet?
christian_lappy: somename: they replied that they have this information directly from valve and i should contactvalve directly if i want more informations
somename: ah
christian_lappy: yuppy
mastertheknife: Its true
mastertheknife: valve contacted few sites about it
christian_lappy: i copy the parts to pastebin
Sir_Brizz: which few sites?
giselher: which sites?
mastertheknife: but told them not to post anything until a specific date or email
Sir_Brizz: I've only seen two sites mention it
mastertheknife: I dont know
Sir_Brizz: oh
Sir_Brizz: do you know what date?
christian_lappy: i no only one
christian_lappy: knwo
christian_lappy: know
mastertheknife: I guess the Telegraph just couldn't wait
somename: 24 may
Sir_Brizz: mtk had seen another site that mentioned it
somename: maybe
mastertheknife: Valve can't make an announcement now because of the Mac client
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: i don't think it was a mistake
mastertheknife: it will steal the focus
Sir_Brizz: they will pobably wait two weeks or something
christian_lappy: hopefully
mastertheknife: christian_lappy: Valve likes to confuse people it seems, boosts marketing
christian_lappy: guerilla marketing :-)
somename: i cant wait 2 weeks just for an announcement :/
mastertheknife: Just like with those linux files on their server
christian_lappy: me too
Sir_Brizz: well we know it is being worked on
christian_lappy: TEASING
mastertheknife: I think they will announce it next week.
Sir_Brizz: and updates to the linux build do come in, even if they are common fixes
christian_lappy: *praying*
mastertheknife: Next week is good timing
somename: yeah. until the mac-hype is over :p
Sir_Brizz: seems to me that the mac hype is already over
Sir_Brizz: ;)
christian_lappy: mac people seem to like to complain on a very high level
mastertheknife: christian_lappy: yeah
Sir_Brizz: all of the mac steam forums are whining about everything under the sun
christian_lappy: reading some forum posts, some of those guys are crazy
Sir_Brizz: there was one post whining that they didn't use cocoa
mastertheknife: christian_lappy: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1267023
mastertheknife: hehe
somename: i wouldnt wonder if valve drops mac support tomorrow directly
Sir_Brizz: someone should post in the mac steam forums
mastertheknife: I just hope all this whining and bugs won't make Valve backoff from Linux for a while
Sir_Brizz: "Guys, we should stop this whining or they will cancel the Steam mac client!"
christian_lappy: hhr
christian_lappy: i wonder why they don't colpain about steam gui not matching the color of theri macbooks
mastertheknife: "BTW: I tried portal, and it SUCKS" lol
mastertheknife: christian_lappy: they did
mastertheknife: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1262853
somename: "BTW: I tried portal, and it SUCKS" << it was free btw
christian_lappy: i own portal, but never played it..even did not download it at all
somename: does mac at least got good gaming hardware?
manaphuun: please valve implement p2p in your game downloader... downloading takes forever
mastertheknife: somename: Barely
mastertheknife: somename: there aren't drivers for all cards like in PC
somename: mac is also a pc :P
mastertheknife: somename: you can find Geforce 9400M in latest average macs, and 9600GT on latest VERY expensive ones
christian_lappy: hehe
christian_lappy: macs are ugly overprize
Sir_Brizz: for a mac pro there is a 9800GT that cost $450
somename: macbook pro alone is some thousand dollars
christian_lappy: am i allowed to post contents of an email ?
Sir_Brizz: pastebin
christian_lappy: i knwo that :-)
mamalujo: well, sucess of even such a proprietary ecosystem as mac is beneficial to the adoption of free software, for it pushes the need for interoperability we too benefit from. But, I'd rather pirate windows than buy a mac anytime..
christian_lappy: bah, i will not use windows..
mamalujo: at least its a bit hackable platform, in comparison to apple's black boxes..
christian_lappy: correct
Sir_Brizz: Apple doesn't give a shit about free software
Sir_Brizz: but if you mean "porting to mac" then yes
somename: arent they using OSS components?
Sir_Brizz: OSX is loosely based off of Darwin and by extension BSD
Sir_Brizz: so they are benefitting from OSS
Sir_Brizz: but that doesn't mean anything
mamalujo: yup, they benefit from samba project for insance. and they made webkit and llvm
Sir_Brizz: actually, KDE started WebKit
maligor: made?
mamalujo: untill clang is mature enouh for them, they use a forked version of gcc also, I think
Sir_Brizz: Apple just took it from them
pioto: also, cups
Modplan: they dun stoled our sources
mamalujo: yes, well, they made the delta between khtml and webkit, I stand corrected :) but its a significant delta
somename: everybody is stealing from OSS :p
Sir_Brizz: there is nothing wrong with Apple being BSD based, however let's not act like Apple (the company) is any better than Microsoft
maligor: I don't think apple made llvm
mamalujo: hm, I might be wrong, let me google it
somename: apple invented iBanana
Modplan: i guess it's mixed, on the one hand you're "giving away" the code, but at the same time there's a little expectation of reiprocation
Modplan: reciprocation*
maligor: llvm is some random university project
mamalujo: they got involved in it good 5 years after it started yes, you are right
Sir_Brizz: I love GNU/OSX
giselher: G-mod comes to mac confirmed
Sir_Brizz: (I don't love OSX)
giselher: maybe also for linux :)
Sir_Brizz: where was that confirmed?
The_Moo: confirmed by the G like in Gnome. xD
christian_lappy: rofl
maligor: I hear Apple invented God
Sir_Brizz: lol
maligor: only reason it's not iGod is because it was before they did the i-brand
somename: chuck norris invented apple
The_Moo: view-source:http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/05/steamlinux.jpg
giselher: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1266935
wasdude: steve jobs invented chuck norris
The_Moo: look at the bar on the op
somename: and apple invented iOrange
The_Moo: *top
mastertheknife: The_Moo: That can be through wine.
The_Moo: also the little tray-icon?
mamalujo: actually, I only saw one mac in my life, a swedish guy had it, so Im amazed at how much mindspace it has, i guess in us.
Sir_Brizz: The_Moo: yes
mastertheknife: the tray icon yeah
mastertheknife: i have tray icon through wine
Sir_Brizz: that's exactly how Steam acts in Wine
Sir_Brizz: what they don't show you is getting 14fps in that window
christian_lappy: lol
Sir_Brizz: christian_lappy: did you ever post that email?
mastertheknife: giselher: yeah but to linux he might not port it
somename: yeah. m$ fanboys dont like linux
ChemBro: ms fanboys don't like apple, see steamforums
christian_lappy: Sir_Brizz: stay tuned ;-)
somename: garry likes apple pie. thats why he is porting that to os x
The_Moo: i dont have a tray ... so i was wondered
mastertheknife: he probably wont port to linux because he has a strong hate for linux for some reason but its his loss after all, lol
mamalujo: The_Moo: no tray? interesting, how come; some minimalistic WM or?
wasdude: mastertheknife: does garry charge for his mod?
giselher: mastertheknife: some links to garry showing hate for linux? I am interested
somename: i should kill him and get the source. then its called smod
somename: somename's mod
Sir_Brizz: christian_lappy is doctoring his email
christian_lappy: Sir_Brizz: http://pastebin.com/JAShfG4z
The_Moo: mamalujo: i3
Sir_Brizz: form letter
Sir_Brizz: lol
The_Moo: tiling doesnt need a tray
somename: ...does somebody know valves email? :p
christian_lappy: Sir_Brizz: lol ?
christian_lappy: Sir_Brizz: i removed my name and the name of the email writer
wasdude: linuxbeta@steampowered.com?
Sir_Brizz: yeah you can just tell it's a template
giselher: mastertheknife: argh
mastertheknife: christian_lappy: can you take screenshot of that email, its better evidence, and you should also post it on forums
Sleepy_Coder: Funkeh, they already updated the Garry's Mod wikipedia page to include Macintosh in the platforms section
mamalujo: The_Moo: I used trayer w xmonad
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: screenie form thunderbird showing the mail ?
giselher: mastertheknife: I wanted to be helpfull but you again posted before me
The_Moo: mamalujo: dont need a tray
somename: http://www.valvesoftware.com/contact/ << so many choices..
Sir_Brizz: alfred
somename: which shall i choose... hm
somename: general information!
christian_lappy: somename: you wanna ask valve ?
somename: yep
somename: lets see if they answer it
christian_lappy: somename: i should ask them forwarding the mail i got from telegraph
mastertheknife: giselher: lol
Sir_Brizz: christian_lappy: indeed
Sir_Brizz: jumbers had dan bergers email address
mastertheknife: christian_lappy: yeah if you want.. its more believeable to others, there are always those trolls that will think that you wrote it. so just mask your name and your email with photoshop :P
ChemBro: nice next blender movie trailer
ChemBro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOfdboHvshg
somename: wow
somename: is this really only done with blender?
The_Moo: looks better than "up" - imho
burra: anyone running spotify in wine and got facebook connection working?
somename: it looks awesome. too bad that blender is too complicated for me :P 2D graphics ftw
ChemBro: somename: blender, gimp and other open-source-software
ChemBro: the goal is to make blender better, so they are making this movie and develope more features for blender, if they need it
somename: yeah
willwh: <3 gimp
somename: gimp rocks indeed
willwh: www.ilovedarkfall.com :p
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: yeah, correct ,will do this tomorrow
willwh: glowing overlay done in gimp <3
mamalujo: nice trailer, yeah they are claiming blender 2.5 will be quite impressive
Nevtus: blender 2.5 already is impressive, download test builds from graphicall (or build it yourself from svn)
somename: cant wait to play portal natively
somename: without laggs and stuff
somename: and low fps
Modplan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjxKNMw9x5g
mamalujo: Nevtus: heh, I'll settle for second hand reports, don't know anything about 3d modelling, and have little or no artistic inclinations :)
Nevtus: portal runs okay for me on my rather unimpressive gpu, I get around 40fps and playable enough to finish the game
Nevtus: *in wine
somename: the parameter "-dxlevel 80" increases the fps a lot
Nevtus: yeah, I have that set
mastertheknife: Is it playable with -dxlevel 80?
mastertheknife: i'm on Nvidia 8800GT
somename: yeah
Nevtus: I can play it on a 9400gt, so yeah that should work fine
somename: anyways, playing
Modplan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjFGDcGcEjE
mastertheknife: lol that dude in steam forums replied to me
willwh: http://www.goopeg.com/img/ZsXg0uHn.jpg
mastertheknife: how offensive, lol
willwh: talking of steam =)
giselher: mastertheknife: which dude?
mastertheknife: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1173683&page=56
Nevtus: mastertheknife: the Steam regulars seem very hostile
mastertheknife: Nevtus: yeah.
giselher: mastertheknife: He is awaiting your anwser
willwh: hilarity
mastertheknife: I'll think of something
willwh: I can see him foaming at the mouth.
mastertheknife: he was more hostile than i expected
willwh: "#$&)*^%@#% linux zealots"
wait4steam: http://img13.abload.de/img/mac_steam_rage_fffffuuu14q.jpg
somename: poor mac users
Modplan: I always found the "Linux will never get anywhere based on my 6 year old outdated ideas of it!2
Modplan: to be funny
mastertheknife: wait4steam: rofl
giselher: We gonna rule the forum when the linux client comes
Midler: +1
willwh: wait4steam: http://www.goopeg.com/img/ZsXg0uHn.jpg
willwh: :p
willwh: I posted above
willwh: :)
Nevtus: giselher: indeed, once it comes out it will be out new home out of spite
Nevtus: *our new home
mastertheknife: Modplan: wow thank you :) I should have replied to him in a more respectful manner, but his post made so angry
mastertheknife: made me*
giselher: Nevtus: I can't wait
Modplan: he deserves it
Modplan: those posts are dime a dozen on various forums and are just not worth being patient with
giselher: I have an Idea, after the release of the linux client we will spam nvidia and amd/ati with our mails XD
giselher: requesting better drivers
Sir_Brizz: does anyone know how to make 64 bit flash in firefox stop locking the freaking pulseaudio device?
Midler: Sir_Brizz: easy
Midler: just remove pulseaudio
Midler: :)
Sir_Brizz: meh
giselher: were do I find the IRC logs?
Nevtus: for this channel?
Nevtus: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=irc
giselher: thanks
giselher: I don't want to miss something :)
giselher: see ya
metalf8801: is there a graphics card that can play games like Penumbra Overture with only open source drivers?
wait4steam: willwh: i know ^^
Modplan: steam forum thread is gonna defenerate into flame war!
Nigey|: meh
Modplan: fight fight fight!
Nigey|: lol
Modplan: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14931207&posted=1#post14931207
mastertheknife: heh i replied to him again
Nigey|: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/13/adobe_apple_ad_campaign/
Nigey|: haha sweeet!
fallenwizard: I lol'd
The_Moo: lol @ adobes campain
The_Moo: *g
Modplan: we love all devices? we love all platforms?
Modplan: Do they think we're all windows users?
The_Moo: fact: they dont love linux xD
Midler: well
Midler: the linux flashplayer has been released at the same time as the windows one
Midler: which it didnt do 5years ago
Sleepy_Coder: Yes, they are killing the meaning of open standards :(
Midler: no, ppl using flash on their homepage is
Sleepy_Coder: Personally, I hpoe Flash dies, but Apple is taking it to the personal attacks level.
Sleepy_Coder: They should have allowed it on the iPhone.
Midler: apples way is the wrong way to do it
Sleepy_Coder: er... iPad
Midler: all newspapers in the world where just about to kill flash
Midler: until this :P
mastertheknife: Modplan: I ended up spending 10 min replying seriously this time to the troll, lol.
Sleepy_Coder: Maybe the reason Jobbs doesn't want the iPad to run Flash is because while Flash is a bit resource-hungry, it would kill the iPad as it is such a lowly insignificant form of computer vastly overpriced.
Sleepy_Coder: And then everyone would realize they hate Apple for putting out stylish crap :<
Sleepy_Coder: hides
Midler: i mean, u cant reach the swedish biggest newspaper without having HUGE FLASH ADS covering 80% of the screen =(
mastertheknife: Wow yeah, i hate those ads.
Midler: well, wortlhess news anyway
Poka64: Midler: wich swedish newspaper?
Midler: aftonhoran.se
Poka64: lol
Midler: :P
Sleepy_Coder: lol swedes
Sleepy_Coder: That's so 20th century :p
Poka64: Midler: expressen is even worse
Sleepy_Coder: We're all Americanos now.
Sleepy_Coder: hides
Nigey|: hmm i have to remove pulseaudio to stop sound lagging in TTQW :(
Nigey|: ETQW*
Midler: well well
Midler: gn
mastertheknife: http://img13.abload.de/img/mac_steam_rage_fffffuuu14q.jpg
mastertheknife: this is hilarious
DarkDefender: XD
mastertheknife: (mac mouses only have 1 button)
DarkDefender: well you can plug in "pc" mouses also :P
Poka64: not anymore
Sleepy_Coder: (22:25:50) < willwh> "#$&)*^%@#% linux zealots" <-- at one time I was so into perl scripting that I had created a script for irssi to replace all curse words with distributedly contrasting ascii punctuation so you would never see things like ##*& in place of fuck, but instead #$&@
Sleepy_Coder: Because perfected expression is priceless.
mastertheknife: lol
Sleepy_Coder: Don't the newer Intel Macs actually have 2 button-mice?
Sleepy_Coder: 2-button mice*
Sleepy_Coder: I know the Macbooks have 2-button mice...
Sleepy_Coder: And only the Intel Macs are supported... :o
mastertheknife: heh
Modplan: latest mouse is multi touch
mastertheknife: wait4steam made it
Modplan: no button at all
Sleepy_Coder: I'll multi-touch you :p
Modplan: :o
SimmyD: bow chiki wow wow
SimmyD: sup peeps
Sleepy_Coder: oh yeah
Modplan: SimmyD: Sleepy_Coda is multi touching me
SimmyD: steam working yet on linux? ;)
Modplan: it scares me
SimmyD: run for your life!
Sleepy_Coder: It works, but is mostly featureless.
Sleepy_Coder: :p
SimmyD: haha i thought they borke it with the latest patch ;)_
mastertheknife: SimmyD: http://img13.abload.de/img/mac_steam_rage_fffffuuu14q.jpg
mastertheknife: :P
SimmyD: mastertheknife: hahahaha love it
Sleepy_Coder: It really would not surprise me if they were feeding us old updates of their internal Linux client. That way they can come out with it ahead of schedule and make the majority of Linux users think they really take us to heart. In actuality they've probably had a Steam client for Linux since 2007.
Sleepy_Coder: And they've been playing Portal on Debian and laughing at us.
Sleepy_Coder: cries
SimmyD: i would hate them
The_Moo: you can do a rightclick with the magic mouse
SimmyD: but love them too
SimmyD: emotions so confused
SimmyD: >_<
Sleepy_Coder: It's just sad that most of their games are losing their shine before the Linux client is out...
Sleepy_Coder: My game in Left4Dead 2 and TF2 is already perfect.
Milyardo: Sleepy_Coder: Much like what icculus is doing is UT3?
Sleepy_Coder: I don't want to talk about UT3 :(
Sleepy_Coder: Like he doesn't want to talk about UT3. T.T
Milyardo: UT3 == USENET now?
Sleepy_Coder: I actually want a Left4Dead3 to be a prequel to the first 2.
Sleepy_Coder: They never f-cking told us how the infection started.
SimmyD: i used usenet for the first time the other day
SimmyD: its freaking epic
Sleepy_Coder: They'd probably release that before Half Life 2 Episode 3, too
Sleepy_Coder: Btw, UT3 is on the Mac already.
SimmyD: Sleepy_Coder: there is actually a story line to lfd?
SimmyD: lol
Sleepy_Coder: Some porting group made a wrapper for it.
Sleepy_Coder: It's unofficial but works.
mamalujo: Sleepy_Coder: why do you believe they have had an internal nix client since 2007?
Sleepy_Coder: Translating Direct3D calls and such :\
Sleepy_Coder: mamalujo: I'm just exaggerating for comedic effect, but I used to have a friend that would feed me Portal on Linux pics :x
SimmyD: Sleepy_Coder: photo shop does a great job ;)
Sleepy_Coder: Yes it does :]
mamalujo: hehe
Modplan: My imagination is better. That way I get Portal with unicorns
SimmyD: CHARLIE!
Sleepy_Coder: I saw maybe 4 or 5 pics in total toward the end of 2008, a lot of them were choppy renderings, looked a bit strange...
Sleepy_Coder: I thought they were real... wont' tell you the person who showed me though, just assume this is all crazy-talk :p
SimmyD: lol it was gabe wasnt it!
SimmyD: he wouldnt know squat
SimmyD: >_<
Sleepy_Coder: Al Gore bitches.
Modplan: you got hum drunk
mamalujo: given the miniscule market share, any move of this kind is welcome
Sleepy_Coder: he invented the internet and the portal gun.
Sleepy_Coder: I wish Obama would do for the internet what Al Gore did :(
Sleepy_Coder: I want a faster than global average downlink :(
Sleepy_Coder: 1.5Mbps does not cut it.
Sleepy_Coder: Let's get some fibre up in this bitch.
SimmyD: should try living in australia
SimmyD: hold on
SimmyD: 1.5?
SimmyD: LAME!
Sleepy_Coder: 1.5Mbps is the global average :3
Sleepy_Coder: As in the world.
mastertheknife: I wonder what happens if i post that picture in a mac thread
SimmyD: 23 mbps here ;)
mastertheknife: i'll get flamed or banned ?
SimmyD: ahhhhh
SimmyD: do it mastertheknife
SimmyD: they cant ban you right?
SimmyD: just flame :D
Sleepy_Coder: Well technically I have a 3Mbps downlink and a 768Kbps uplink, but it's not dedicated so I probably get half that.
mastertheknife: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14932183&posted=1#post14932183
SimmyD: Sleepy_Coder: what tech?
SimmyD: adsl or what not
mastertheknife: I'll probably get flamed to death now.
Sleepy_Coder: ADSL
Sleepy_Coder: (SBC)
Sleepy_Coder: For $15 a month :3
SimmyD: how can it not be dedicated?
Sleepy_Coder: The only good thing is the price.
SimmyD: there is no such thing as not dedicated in aus :P
Sleepy_Coder: There is no such thing as not dedicated in residential US... :p
Sir_Brizz: ARG FLASH
Sleepy_Coder: Well, seems like all the people with dedicated business lines live on the East Coast T.T
Sir_Brizz: why is flash so horrible
Sleepy_Coder: Sir_Brizz: lol you got trolled.
mamalujo: bah, my ISP is a bloddy monopolist that has been holding back price cuts and infrastructure upgrades in my country for a couple of decades..
Sleepy_Coder: Adobe++
Sir_Brizz: lol sleepy
Sir_Brizz: I'm having this dumb issue
Sleepy_Coder: :]
Sir_Brizz: Flash locks the sound device
Sir_Brizz: I can't play sound in flash along with anything else
Sir_Brizz: other apps work together but only if Flash hasn't locked the device already
SimmyD: just dont use flash ;)
SimmyD: ahhh you cant use sites like tube8 :P
SimmyD: bummer
Sleepy_Coder: It's weird how back in 2007 most ISPs were boasting that they were at somewhere between 25% and 40% of their full network capacity. Now we're dealing with bandwidth caps, throttling, issues with net neutrality, and we're still getting hikes on the montly fees.
SimmyD: >_<
Sleepy_Coder: I really want to see the stimulus money Obama promised to toward something soon...
SimmyD: we talking download limits?
SimmyD: there is no such thing as unlimited downloads here
Modplan: ISP's need to be forced to rent out their lines
Sleepy_Coder: And uploads. :p
SimmyD: ever had it
SimmyD: never had it
Sleepy_Coder: has never hit a cap with SBC
SimmyD: is there mor ethan one company that owns the lines over there?
Sleepy_Coder: (actually)
Sleepy_Coder: Though I've never been much for torrents.
mastertheknife: wow rep just jumped from 6 to 10
Sleepy_Coder: I guess most of the complaints usually come from Cox or Comcast, which should be the same evil...
Sleepy_Coder: Complaints with SBC usually relate to overall bandwidth.
Sleepy_Coder: As ADSL is not ideal... T.T
SimmyD: i want fiber
SimmyD: to the house
Sir_Brizz: Sleepy_Coder: it will go toward tyhe mortgages of people who were stupid and bought houses they couldn't afford two years ago
SimmyD: fibre?
SimmyD: whatever way it is
Sleepy_Coder: :(
The_Moo: why i should load with more than 100mbit/s ? my harddisk is too slow
Sir_Brizz: you can be sure it will go toward something stupid that mostly benefits people that shouldn't get any benefit from it
SimmyD: i havent touch torrents since i worked out how to use usenet haha
mamalujo: caps on the order of a few GB are simply unusable in my experience, I don't use a TV, its crap technology anyway, there's no other way to watch/listen what you choose to, day to day but torrenting it
mamalujo: or streaming..
SimmyD: The_Moo: a family on the one network? ;)
Sleepy_Coder: Sir_Brizz: The sad truth is that money should have originally been invested toward helping these people realize what a bad deal is, preferably in school. What compounds the morbidity of the situation is that even then, people don't seem to learn shit in school... :\
Sleepy_Coder: I'm sure you know this, I just hate being a US citizen when discussing issues like these. T.T
The_Moo: i could giv 16000kb/s to the whole street with fibre...
The_Moo: *give
Sleepy_Coder: We either protect the people who should have been able to recognize a bad deal, or we go after the people selling the bad deals.
Sir_Brizz: Sleepy_Coder: agreed, but there isn't really "financial responsibility" courses in school either... and there should be
Sleepy_Coder: I miss Civics :(
SimmyD: The_moo more interested in latency improvments
mamalujo: Sleepy_Coder: I really doubt a systemic problem is merely a series of individual bad choices..
Sleepy_Coder: I would definitely acknowledge there are a lot of things with questionable fine print on them.
Sleepy_Coder: You can only train someone to recognize a bad deal so far...
SimmyD: yea you americans messed up baaaad ;)
mamalujo: Sleepy_Coder: precisely, I think like in most things deregulation went quite too far
Sleepy_Coder: I hope our laws change so certain businesses are prohibited from putting legal speak on everything.
Sleepy_Coder: Deregulation :<<<<
Sleepy_Coder: SimmyD: Technically Mexico messed up first :p
Sleepy_Coder: We just followed in suit :]
SimmyD: hahaha
SimmyD: good as you :P
Sleepy_Coder: As American encompasses more than Dumbfuckistan :(
Sleepy_Coder: America*
SimmyD: i really didnt feel anything from the whole money thing
DeathCrawler: :)
SimmyD: job was fine
SimmyD: no pay cut
Sleepy_Coder: We save more than we splurge, we were living comfortably the whole time :x
SimmyD: fucking fuel is stupid though
SimmyD: i am a paycheck to paycheck kinda gy
SimmyD: guy
The_Moo: fuel? 1.40€ / litre
SimmyD: 1.45$ here
SimmyD: i remember when it was 0.85$
Sleepy_Coder: remembers fuel getting up to $5 :( (€2.5)
Sleepy_Coder: (per gallon)
The_Moo: SimmyD: cheap
SimmyD: who uses gallons...
Sleepy_Coder: Dumbfuckistanians :p
SimmyD: The_Moo: that was in the 80's though ;)
Sleepy_Coder: 1 liter = 0.264172052 US gallons
Sleepy_Coder: So....
The_Moo: 1.45$ = 1.14€ ... a long time ago...
Sleepy_Coder: Though you lot have a lot of taxes that go toward health care and education and such...
SimmyD: Sleepy_Coder: that at me?
The_Moo: we?
Sleepy_Coder: Yes :p
SimmyD: love halthcare :)
SimmyD: came off my motobike the other week
SimmyD: ended up in the ER
Sleepy_Coder: Not saying it's a bad thing, I'm just amazed that the country survives with the seemingly excessive taxes.
SimmyD: xrays and all
The_Moo: we have a tax called "öko-steuer" xD
SimmyD: didnt pay a cent :D
mastertheknife: Sleepy_Coder: this is easier to remember, 1 gallon = 3.785 liters :P
Sleepy_Coder: I guess the difference is the money the government collects over there actually goes toward the promised projects.
Sleepy_Coder: LOL SOCIAL SECURITY
mamalujo: yup, its more a question of what you get for the money spent on taxes, than the volume of it
Sleepy_Coder: SimmyD: Did you lose a leg? ;x
SimmyD: haha nahhh just a big hole in my kee
SimmyD: knee
SimmyD: its ok now though
SimmyD: more pissed off that i have to get my bike fixed
Modplan: then don't crash it next time :p
SimmyD: thats the plan
SimmyD: :D
Sleepy_Coder: I can't remember, but I believe Nancy Pelosi over here wants to tax money going into Social Security.. which is silly because the money is supposed to remain untaxed until it's withdrawn, when we go out and use it during retirement...
Sleepy_Coder: US has a lot of strange taxes, I really hope to move someday. T.T
Sleepy_Coder: I mean, it's not law yet, but just that things like this are proposed...
SimmyD: there are too many people in goverment these days i think
mastertheknife: SimmyD: Surviving bike crashes is not something that happens everyday, you are lucky :)
Sleepy_Coder: Sorry, I'm turning this into ##politics T.T
SimmyD: mastertheknife: cheers mate :) was only 60km/h and i came off and rolled and hit a parked car with my head :P so no moving cars were involved
SimmyD: and i had my safety gear on
Sleepy_Coder: The parked car was following too close :p
Sleepy_Coder: You're totally not at fault.
SimmyD: lol yea those sneeky buggers
Sleepy_Coder: How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?
SimmyD: 25 :)
Sleepy_Coder: Ahh
SimmyD: old fart
Sleepy_Coder: is 20
Sleepy_Coder: :]
mamalujo: lol
mastertheknife: is 22 :P
Sleepy_Coder: usually likes to compare the ages of bikers he meets
riisen: is 21 :P
Sleepy_Coder: WE NEED A 23 AND 24-YEAR-OLD
SimmyD: Sleepy_Coder: lol why is that?
Sleepy_Coder: Dad says bikes are too dangerous, he used to ride a lot...
Milyardo: <----21 :(
SimmyD: haha they are dangerious
Sleepy_Coder: Just like seeing what is considered too young or too ol.d
SimmyD: but thats the fun of it
Sleepy_Coder: old.*
mastertheknife: bikes are fun but too dangerous unfortunately
Sleepy_Coder: It was weird, I turned 20 a few weeks ago and people kept telling me leading up to it that I won't be a teenager anymore.
Sleepy_Coder: I thought I was deemed an adult at 18. :\
SimmyD: hahahaha
Nigey|: brb!
mastertheknife: Riding a bike is like playing a game with the devil
Sleepy_Coder: Silliness.
SimmyD: mastertheknife: but those games can be freaking fun
SimmyD: :D
Sleepy_Coder: I would rather ride a bike than waste space and money in/on a car. :(
Sleepy_Coder: Just have to keep your eyes open, I think.
mjr: http://sensicology.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/pedo-bear-too-old.jpg
mamalujo: prefers walking
Sleepy_Coder: currently I don't drive or bike at all :>
Sleepy_Coder: I DON"T WALK EITHER
SimmyD: ahh i have to use my car till my bike gets fixed
Sleepy_Coder: Teleportation is the way of the future.
Sleepy_Coder: :p
SimmyD: apparently i did 4k worth of damage to it
mastertheknife: mjr: lol
Sleepy_Coder: Could just buy another...>.>
riisen: bike_crash_injurys > /dev/null
Sleepy_Coder: lol
SimmyD: bike is worth 8k and was new
SimmyD: well i am the first owner
Sleepy_Coder: Did you tear off a wheel or something?
SimmyD: and i have it insured so i only pay 350$ :D
SimmyD: alot of fearing
SimmyD: and front axle
Sleepy_Coder: wwk :(
Sleepy_Coder: eek*
SimmyD: pegs both sides front and back
Sleepy_Coder: Did you shatter your kneecap?
Sleepy_Coder: You said there was a hole. :x
SimmyD: nearly haha. i did pull a chip of bone out of the wound the other day
Sleepy_Coder: >.>
Sleepy_Coder: I would so amputate the fucker.
Sleepy_Coder: I do not do well with pain.
SimmyD: hahaha
SimmyD: it actually didnt hurt so much
Sleepy_Coder: Er... the sort of pain that lasts for days :p
mastertheknife: scary
Sleepy_Coder: "LOL, where is my knee?"
SimmyD: i think the shock and concussion helped a bit
Sleepy_Coder: Endorphins <3
SimmyD: i was more like "is my bike ok?!?!"
Sleepy_Coder: "Someone save the font axle!"
Sleepy_Coder: *blood spurting everywhere*
Sleepy_Coder: er... front*
Sleepy_Coder: Yay for fonts :D
SimmyD: hahaha
Sleepy_Coder: I must pee like a fire hydrant, brb.
DarkDefender: you should same some for the firefighters! :P
mamalujo: while waiting for flashy nonsense from valve, try some quality prose http://ifdb.tads.org/viewgame?id=032krqe6bjn5au78
riisen: o.O
SimmyD: haha burning ears riisen?
riisen: SimmyD, ofc ;D
Sleepy_Coder: Toilet shattered from the sheer volume of my deposit.
Sleepy_Coder: I pee icycles.
SimmyD: wtf is up with mountainjew
Sleepy_Coder: That would be such a kick-ass superpower. :]
riisen: mountainjew, ?
mastertheknife: argh what is this
Sleepy_Coder: mountainjew is in the mountains, unstable connections is a given.
mastertheknife: i think its some mac hater
mastertheknife: mac lover*
mastertheknife: hi mountainjew
Sleepy_Coder: bye mountainjew...
mastertheknife: he will keep doing it for a while i guess
Sleepy_Coder: hai bai
Sleepy_Coder: *SHABAM*
Sleepy_Coder: waits
riisen: xDDD
Sleepy_Coder: oh yeah :D
riisen: Welcome ;D
SimmyD: egod
mastertheknife: DeathCrawler: here ?
Sleepy_Coder: DOWN
Sleepy_Coder: or not...
DeathCrawler: mastertheknife: ya
Sleepy_Coder: flicks mountainjew
mastertheknife: DeathCrawler: can you ban him or something
SimmyD: ooooo he found line of site
Sleepy_Coder: buwhahahaha
SimmyD: awe daym
Sleepy_Coder: !summon mountainjew
Sleepy_Coder: aww
DeathCrawler: mastertheknife: nope. the channel is not registered. :(
riisen: haha
SimmyD: he preemted you
mastertheknife: Oh, so how did you change the topic? lol.
Sleepy_Coder: !banish mountainjew
Sleepy_Coder: YAY
SimmyD: haha
DeathCrawler: mastertheknife: you can too. :P
mastertheknife: oh
mastertheknife: funny.
Sleepy_Coder: !summon jews
mastertheknife: michaellarabel should register this channel someday
Sleepy_Coder: okay lost interest.
mastertheknife: Seems like he got tired
Sleepy_Coder: :]
Sleepy_Coder: Running up and down the mountain to connect :p
SimmyD: now people are going to ask about steam every time they come in ;)
Sleepy_Coder: (lolwifi)
SimmyD: actually.... they were anyway
SimmyD: soooo anyway
mastertheknife: hey Nigey|
Sleepy_Coder: CONFIRMED LINUX ON STEAM
mastertheknife: Nigey|: pmsl http://img13.abload.de/img/mac_steam_rage_fffffuuu14q.jpg
DeathCrawler: whre?
SimmyD: we are NOT starting that again
SimmyD: lol
Sleepy_Coder: hahaha
Sleepy_Coder: In Soviet Russia, Steam is the OS and Linux runs on it!
Sleepy_Coder: it, you, it, ...
SimmyD: anyone here think that desktop icons and folders are something that shouldnt really be used anymore?
Sleepy_Coder: doesn't have a desktop on Linux.
Sleepy_Coder: File managers are silly.
SimmyD: there is a post on osnews
mastertheknife: i only have shortcuts to programs on my kde4 desktop
Nigey|: hahaha awsome dude!
Sleepy_Coder: barely ever uses a mouse on Linux
Sleepy_Coder: Tiling window managers <3
SimmyD: complaining that he cant have different desktiop folders on different virtual desktops
mastertheknife: It was confirmed, telegraph replied to christian_lappy and said they got their information from Valve.
mastertheknife: Nigey|: i didn't make it, i think it was wait4steam
DeathCrawler: mastertheknife: \o/
SimmyD: i just dont really see the need for desktop icons anymore (/home/you/desktop/)
Sleepy_Coder: I don't see the need for most of the Linux Standard Base anymore :p
DeathCrawler: now i will use it
DeathCrawler: System: Host creatorofthemadness Kernel 2.6.31-21-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Distro Ubuntu 9.10 karmic
DeathCrawler: Graphics: Card nVidia G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] X.Org 1.6.4 Res: 1680x1050@50.0hz
DeathCrawler: GLX Renderer GeForce 9800 GT/PCI/SSE2 GLX Version 3.2.0 NVIDIA 195.36.15 Direct Rendering Yes
DeathCrawler: :)))
Sleepy_Coder: i'm on a boat.
mastertheknife: also Nigey| i posted it here, i'll probably get flamed: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1266335
SimmyD: i'm on a horse!
Nigey|: oh dear, they'll flame ya for sure lol
mastertheknife: those mac users, lol
Sleepy_Coder: i'm on a boat and, it's goin fast and, i got a nautical theme on a afghan, i'm the king of the world....
Sleepy_Coder: http://popup.lala.com/popup/432627056443882190
Sleepy_Coder: ^ I'm going to be singing that when I finally get to play Portal natively on Linux.
DeathCrawler: FreeBSD's Linux binary compatibility will be able to run Steam? Im thinking
mastertheknife: Maybe with some small changes it might work
Sleepy_Coder: Oh yes, when is that 64-bit nvidia driver coming to freebsd...
Sleepy_Coder: I wonder...
DeathCrawler: problem: Games alsa based
DeathCrawler: FreeBSD uses OSSv4
Sleepy_Coder: Is OSSv4 dead yet?
Sleepy_Coder: :p
mastertheknife: Hm, there is no way to make OSSv4 compatible with alsa programs ?
Sleepy_Coder: alsa-oss ?
SimmyD: being alsa base means they will play well with pulseaudio?
mastertheknife: Actually i think Steam doesn't use alsa directly
mastertheknife: I think Steam will use OpenAL, which will actually use whatever available on the system (alsa, oss, etc)
DeathCrawler: OpenAudio is a good solution
DeathCrawler: oh yes
DeathCrawler: **openal
Sleepy_Coder: I'll laugh if it uses none of the above and just mmaps the sound card's memory
Sleepy_Coder: "Haha, we don't deal with that Linux sound library problem :D"
DeathCrawler: I dont know anyone who could run HoN in FreeBSD. im only thinking the possibilities. :P
Nigey|: brb..again!
SimmyD: pulse has becoming the major user now right?
Sleepy_Coder: doesn't use pulseaudio at all :(
DeathCrawler: pulseaudio? Oo
Sleepy_Coder: or esd or any other weird sound server :\
DeathCrawler: pulseaudio works with OSSv4
Bruners: DeathCrawler: it does?
Sleepy_Coder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulseaudio#Alternatives
Sleepy_Coder: ALSA does everything I need it to.
Megagun: Weechat is kinda nice... :)
Bruners: OSS4 does everything I need it to, better.
Sleepy_Coder: Bruners: I really thought OSS was dead-ish..
DeathCrawler: well Bruners, here Alsa works better
Sleepy_Coder: Did they do something new?
Bruners: Sleepy_Coder: OSSv4 is new yes
DeathCrawler: Audio: Card ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) driver HDA Intel BusID: 00:14.2
DeathCrawler: Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Version 1.0.22.1
Sleepy_Coder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Sound_System#OSS_in_relation_to_ALSA The last sentence of that section made me laugh at the bias of it, even if cited :p
mastertheknife: sigh
mastertheknife: mountainjew
Sleepy_Coder: If I were to use Linux I would only get basic functionality with my Creative Fatal1ty Pro :( I want Creative to add Crystallizer and EAX and ...
mastertheknife: arghh
Sleepy_Coder: kill. fire. it. with.
SimmyD: this guy is making my eyes bleed
Sleepy_Coder: Look at him come and go as he pleases, like he owns the joint :p
Sleepy_Coder: I had a dad that did this :D
mastertheknife: DeathCrawler: Apparently this channel is registered
DeathCrawler: oO
mastertheknife: DeathCrawler: /msg ChanServ info #phoronix
DeathCrawler: true
riisen: mountainjew...
mamalujo: my Godesses, what spam!
mastertheknife: mamalujo: yeah :(
mastertheknife: its probably a mac user
DeathCrawler: ;/
DeathCrawler: ♬ Falconer - 7 No Tears For Strangers - Grime vs. Grandeur (1:25/5:49 24%) Volume 100
kloplop321: throws a mountain at mountainjew
mastertheknife: michaellarabel: can you ban this dude...
mastertheknife: ok maybe hes gone now
NigeyUK: weeeeeee
mastertheknife: Portal is still downloading here
mastertheknife: sigh
mastertheknife: Instead of downloading 5GB i could have just copied the .gcf files from my brother
kloplop321: since when is portal 5GB?
mastertheknife: It said total download 4.9 GB
kloplop321: for portal..?
mastertheknife: Probably because i don't have anything Source installed
mjr: but that would be PIRACY!
mastertheknife: I only have CS 1.6 and HL1 installed
kloplop321: uh huh..
kloplop321: and it has hl2 dependancies
mastertheknife: yeah
mastertheknife: I should just copy the files but i have no idea how to do it, setting up shares on win7 is a pain
kloplop321: talk about it..
mastertheknife: php upload script probably easiest way, lol.
kloplop321: php doesn't like files that big.
mastertheknife: I got an idea
mastertheknife: WinSCP
kloplop321: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/headcrabs/ Why do I still have that book marked
kloplop321: is pretty sure it was done in gmod
DeathCrawler: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/linuxemu.html
DeathCrawler: hmm
DeathCrawler: ♬ Chaoswave - 3/12 How To Define A Race - Dead Eye Dreaming (0:38/5:30 11%) Volume 100
The_Moo: vlc + nouveau == crap
DeathCrawler: lol
mamalujo: oh noez not again
mastertheknife: kloplop321: WinSCP worked great, give it a try if you ever need to transfer files from Linux to/from XP/7
The_Moo: winSCP == awesome
wait4steam: mastertheknife: i did not create it :D
kloplop321: I like filezilla
DeathCrawler: lol
DeathCrawler: ♬ Norther - 8 Fuck You - Till Death Us Unites (0:18/2:03 14%) Volume 100
DeathCrawler: srsly, MPD rocks
wladimir: hello
kloplop321: who still supports win 95
mastertheknife: hmm
mastertheknife: Portal gets very hard, i'm stuck in the gap level
Sleepy_Coder: there are a lot of gap levels :p
Sleepy_Coder: Is it the one where you cross the pit of growing nationwide debt in the US?
ackondro: you have to fling yourself, wwwhhhhheeeeeeee *bzzt
Sleepy_Coder: :D
Sleepy_Coder: I love that one
Sleepy_Coder: You stare out over the pit of growing uncertainty about the cost of health care, then you fling yourself as far as possible in the direction of Canada
Sleepy_Coder: (kidding)
The_Moo: wtf
The_Moo: boondock saints II is the best movie ever =)
The_Moo: is totaly happy
SimmyD: some people should just be shot
SimmyD: i am sorry
SimmyD: but fuck
mastertheknife: hmm
mastertheknife: its the first gap i have to pass
mastertheknife: no idea how to do it
mastertheknife: i spent like 10 min trying to do it
SimmyD: mastertheknife: pft its easy
SimmyD: :"P
The_Muh: which level?
The_Muh: portal is easy, you only have to try (and error)
mastertheknife: im not sure
mastertheknife: its the first gap that i need to pass
mastertheknife: so probably 3-4
The_Muh: its a test-chamber?
The_Muh: *is it
mastertheknife: its shortly after i got the portal gun
The_Muh: hm
The_Muh: liquid on the ground?
mastertheknife: a gap with stairs or something like that
The_Muh: hm..
ackondro: shoot the wall?
mastertheknife: i hit it so many times
mastertheknife: just keeps taking me back to where i was
The_Muh: maybe its the level where you must use the "portal-effect"
mastertheknife: i believe i am in 3rd or 4th level
mastertheknife: its a level with a big gap
The_Muh: look down into the gap, make a portal
wait4steam: so, no steam for linux?
The_Muh: then, turn 180°, look above, there should be a piece of wall move foward - make a portal there
The_Muh: then jump in the first one
jrgp: wait4steam: wait for it.
The_Muh: wait4steam: its confirmed by valve. someone asked the telegraph - they said "the info is from valve"
SimmyD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDj1fYlwR00
mastertheknife: The_Muh: heh one second.. but thanks :)
wait4steam: The_Muh: i read in the forums that some french guys ask valve and that the last 2 lines come from nowhere
The_Muh: wait4steam: hm
The_Muh: i e-mailed gabe yesterday
The_Muh: (cause he fooled me)
The_Muh: mastertheknife: success?
wait4steam: and he replied?
The_Muh: not yet...
The_Muh: but a few months ago i e-mailed him - an d he replied
The_Muh: *and
Sleepy_Coder: I say we kidnap him and poke him with sticks until he coughs up a Linux client.
wait4steam: ^^
Sleepy_Coder: Same for icculus in reference to UT3.
The_Muh: Sleepy_Coder: with a stick? you must use a crowbar
Sleepy_Coder: WITH A SHOCK RIFLE
wait4steam: he better starts with ut4 now
Sleepy_Coder: I think the UT series is dead, pretty much...
Sleepy_Coder: UT3 was fun, but only minorly so... it felt more like an engine test.
The_Muh: never played
wait4steam: i lieked the demo
Sleepy_Coder: Compared to UT2004, it was definitely an engine test.
Sleepy_Coder: "Look what we can do!"
Sleepy_Coder: Seems like Epic cares more about licensing its engine than making good games itself nowadays...
The_Muh: portal was also a "look what we can do"
Sleepy_Coder: Portal was genuinely a fun concept.
Sleepy_Coder: :]
wait4steam: portal is a cool gameidea
mastertheknife: The_Muh: no, it seems to be level 03
The_Muh: portal is awesome
Sleepy_Coder: UT3 was like Gears of War without a good story and a mutated gameplay from UT2004...
mastertheknife: The_Muh: the thing is, i can't look down into the gap because there are stairs
The_Muh: mastertheknife: go down the stairs xD
Sleepy_Coder: Though, the only thing I never got tired of in UT3 was the trickjumping servers
mastertheknife: The_Muh: Yeah, but how can you set up 2 portals at the same time? i can.t
Sleepy_Coder: Oh, and they had a mutator for playing against hordes of ai monsters
Sleepy_Coder: Those were my favorite gametypes. I miss Assault from UT2004 in UT3
The_Muh: mastertheknife: right-click
wladimir: i think there will be no ut3 linux client anymore :D
wait4steam: got new wine version will try steam again. i hope the xserver won't crash again
Sleepy_Coder: They replaced it with some dumb orb gametype and it's just not the same... fighting your way across the map into the enemy base to touch a monitor was a special thing only to ut2004
Sleepy_Coder: Orbs f-cking suck ;p
mastertheknife: The_Muh: I think i didn't get the orange portal yet because right click does nothing
Sleepy_Coder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unreal_Engine_games#Unreal_Engine_3 <-- The real reason for an Unreal Tournament 3
The_Muh: mastertheknife: which level you are? xD
mastertheknife: The_Muh: Testchamber 00 i think
mastertheknife: thats what the save game sasy
mastertheknife: says*
The_Muh: 00? oO
Sleepy_Coder: Another thing, UT3 mouse input felt really horrible compared to Source games from Valve. The viewing angle also seemed like tunnel vision. Epic seems to care more about console gaming than PC now. :\
mastertheknife: The_Muh: any idea?
Sleepy_Coder: hides
The_Muh: mastertheknife: i dunno which level you are
mastertheknife: The_Muh: chapter 1, level 03
ackondro: shoot the wall next to the exit, then go back through the orange portal
wait4steam: whoho x didnt crash :D
wait4steam: portal is 5 gb?
mastertheknife: I got through
mastertheknife: no idea how did i do it
mastertheknife: I think by breaking the camera
mastertheknife: I went through the orange, set blue, returned to orange and landed at blue
mastertheknife: ackondro: thanks :)
ackondro: welcome
Sleepy_Coder: Portal is 4,782MB on Windows.
Sleepy_Coder: eek, I started it and it's updating.
Sleepy_Coder: Projected completion in 55 minutes.
Sleepy_Coder: Probably more than that, then...
gitano: Sleepy_Coder: yeah.. exactly that list gives me sleepless nights still :P
gitano: (will ue3 come to other platforms, will it not)
Sleepy_Coder: Console gaming seems preferable to most companies as the hardware is less likely to change and dedicated performance is lovely. :(
Sleepy_Coder: People aren't running Flash in the background on an XBox T.T
Sleepy_Coder: And you won't have to support someone with a Radeon 4350 :p
Sleepy_Coder: Just sucks.
mastertheknife: wow portal seems easy.. level 10
Sir_Brizz: UT3 was pretty fun
Sir_Brizz: just way too buggy at release
Sir_Brizz: and at a bad time
Sleepy_Coder: I remember trying to transition to the new physics from UT2004...
Sleepy_Coder: Definitely most have pissed off a lot of UT2004 diehards...
Sleepy_Coder: must have*
Sir_Brizz: eh I dunno
Sir_Brizz: a lto of people that played UT2004 also hated it
Sleepy_Coder: I was lured in by the graphics so I kept at it.
Sir_Brizz: lot*
Sir_Brizz: UT3 is a better game technically, but there are a lot of little issues that make it less fun
Sleepy_Coder: Most of the vehicles that were updated got slower or harder to maneuver. :(
Sleepy_Coder: I cried at how they changed the Hellbender.
Sir_Brizz: I like the new vehicle physics for the most part
Sir_Brizz: the Necris vehicles really screwed up the vehicle balance though
Sleepy_Coder: I guess... but a lot of the vehicles are lacking so much torque
Sleepy_Coder: Takes way longer to get the hellbender up to speed, :\
Sir_Brizz: yeah
Sleepy_Coder: Especially if you're trying to do a 3-point turn or something
Sir_Brizz: although you can hardly turn in the 2k4 hellbender
Sleepy_Coder: I like the Necris vehicles but yes, they severely cheapened the originals
Sleepy_Coder: but they*
Sleepy_Coder: XD
Sir_Brizz: the necris vehicles were nice and new, but they were not balanced well
Sleepy_Coder: They remind me more of The War of the Worlds with Tom Cruise (newer one)
Sleepy_Coder: And there were several things you wish you could control, because you can balance the Necris side, but you can't.... I wish you cuold select which vehicles spawn, even which weapons...
Sleepy_Coder: And then I haven't played as many mods because the textures take forever to download, but I guess that's more my fault for having a sucky connection.
Sir_Brizz: lol
Sleepy_Coder: Modding was too damn easy with UT2004, for the maker or the one enjoying it.
Sir_Brizz: modding is easy in UT3, really
Sir_Brizz: for most things anyway
Sleepy_Coder: I guess most will look back on Ut2004 as all the right things happening at the right time, it was a legendary game. UT3 is just a different game... all together.
Sir_Brizz: the texture packages are larger I suppose, but you can always download them out of the game
Sleepy_Coder: I do like the StealthBender.
mastertheknife: wow level 11 is hard
Sir_Brizz: I don't know, I think to some extent, people remember UT2004 better than it actually was
Sleepy_Coder: DO NOT QUESTION MY FANSHIP, SILLY MORTAL
Sir_Brizz: UT2004 is really broken, at least with the people I hung around with, it was all pew pew
Sir_Brizz: the game was fun, don't get me wrong, but the mechanics of it were so bad
Sleepy_Coder: Well I played gametypes that included vehicles more than just gunfights
Sleepy_Coder: With no vehicles it always made me rage.
Sir_Brizz: like they took out boost jumping from UT2003... but then they didn't rebalance the lightning gun
Sleepy_Coder: Lighting gun was so awkward :p
Sleepy_Coder: To aim and to dodge. :(
Sir_Brizz: and they made you dodge jump lower and straighter, but didn't rebalance the shock rifle, leading to shock tape
Sleepy_Coder: shock rape?
Sir_Brizz: same difference :p
Sleepy_Coder: hehehe
Sleepy_Coder: Can we agree that Epic changed for the worst? :p
Sleepy_Coder: at least?
Sir_Brizz: in general, Epic is not the same as they were when Unreal and UT and UT2003 came out
Sir_Brizz: after UT2003 came out, they hired some psycho business people and bleeeehhshsh
Sleepy_Coder: I dunno, I think I'm getting kind of tired of the hardware curve for newer games. :p Ones that are easily brushed under the rug as the next heartless military game is released...
Sleepy_Coder: I hate that graphics cards are more than a foot long now T.T
Sleepy_Coder: Maybe I should get back to playing chess instead :p
Sir_Brizz: lol
markatto: not many games actually need the new uber-cards though
Sleepy_Coder: Though, I can run my Core i5 without a CPu cooler :3
Sleepy_Coder: If I wanted to be crazy :p
markatto: for how long I wonder?
Sleepy_Coder: Let's see... I've been up since...
Sleepy_Coder: :ppp
NigeyMoby: Moo
Sleepy_Coder: It does get hot.
Sleepy_Coder: I have gotten it up to 75C or so
NigeyMoby: Hey mod
Sleepy_Coder: So close to going back to the heatsink age <3
ModplanMan: heylo
Sleepy_Coder: Well I guess you could do entirely without fans if you run like.. a Via processor or an Intel Atom...
NigeyMoby: Orange 4
Sleepy_Coder: They still put fans in netbooks to be safe though
NigeyMoby: OOPS
Sleepy_Coder: Orange 4?
NigeyMoby: Orange 3g sux
Sleepy_Coder: Drawing a blank.
Sleepy_Coder: cannot wait to use his SSD as his sysdisk on Linux
Sleepy_Coder: <3
NigeyMoby: As does androids touch keypad get
NigeyMoby: See I said grrr it sends get...ffs
Milyardo: w00t
Milyardo: PTS Beta
Milyardo: 2.6
Milyardo: /dance
r4: im guessing no new info on steam linux
r4: been gone all day
Wicked: r4, not that ive seen. im starting to think that people jumped the gun saying "its official" lol
r4: yeah same
r4: its ok though :)
r4: time to get portal for free :)
Wicked: which is disapointing :(
Wicked: i just want me some native gaming on linux ;)
r4: it will happen
r4: just be patient
Wicked: yea. i certainly hope so.
Wicked: and i can wait. so long is its planned....i can wait
Wicked: its the anticipation thats killer!
Wicked: ;)
zeroedout: that's why we have drugs
Wicked: lol
Gnurdux: Wicked, by "people" you mean michaellarabel
Sir_Brizz: lol
DonScott: anything good happen in the last 5 hours I was gone ?
Sir_Brizz: no
Sir_Brizz: almost nothing happened in that time
DonScott: bah
bluekoala: I consider michaellarabel a reliable source
bluekoala: Hence I keep coming here
bluekoala: I meant forums, I'm usually not on IRC
bluekoala: Oh, and I got promoted at work today
bluekoala: Woohoo
bluekoala: More work, same money
DonScott: I just got a new job
bluekoala: Woohoo!
bluekoala: Doing?
DonScott: Inventory and Distribution
bluekoala: Pays alright?
DonScott: yeah and the benefits are good
bluekoala: Awesome
bluekoala: I realized how good benefits are important when I actually got them for the first time
DonScott: yeah
DonScott: they definately help
bluekoala: Then I got my teeth fixed
bluekoala: :D
DonScott: I need to get the rest of my rottin wisdom teeth pulled
DonScott: and a new pair of glasses
Sleepy_Coder: had all four wisdom teeth pulled at once when he went :(
Sleepy_Coder: I was on so much drugs 0.o
DonScott: yeah....he only pulled one of mine before and I had the laughing gas....and lots of novacain.....but I didn't feel a thing.
SimmyD: steam yet?
SimmyD: >_<
DonScott: no but Hulu sucks
DonScott: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-20004969-248.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20
SimmyD: havnt played with hulu
Sir_Brizz: commits to flash
Sir_Brizz: die in a fire hulu
DonScott: its flash likes to wreck my 8800gt
Sir_Brizz: flash wrecks everyone
Sir_Brizz: including families and homes
DonScott: lol
SimmyD: DonScott: being outside of the US stops me :(
jelso: flash raped my father and then killed my father
Sir_Brizz: I'm not surprised
Sir_Brizz: flash is a home wrecker
Sir_Brizz: it ruins everything
jelso: Adobe is pathetic
mamalujo: there's nothing besides streaming video that makes me install flash. that will soon be history as I understand
Sir_Brizz: not on hulu
DonScott: Hulu is the only site I've had a bad experience with flash though
Sir_Brizz: if you use Linux, there is no end to Flash being a bad experience
DonScott: oh
SimmyD: mamalujo: if everyone decides to bloody not use h426 or whatever
jelso: and gnash sucks ass
SimmyD: 246
Sir_Brizz: gnash is garbage
DonScott: i just started using it as the main os right after 10.04 ubuntu came out.
jelso: maybe if rob savoye stopped wasting so much time hanging out in tree eating pot brownies, we'd have an better alternate to flash
Sir_Brizz: hahahaha
DonScott: was tired of dual booting
Sir_Brizz: flash is just dumb anyway
Sir_Brizz: people were able to leverage it to revolutionize web multimedia streaming
Sir_Brizz: that is the only thing it is good for
Sir_Brizz: and we need to move on from that too
mamalujo: well, sw patents don't work in my country, so for now at least, I don't care about the codec
DonScott: Hulu crashed in Windows too though now that I think about it.
jelso: corporations are comfortable with flash because they think you can't record the stream
DonScott: for me anyway
DonScott: and it was just Hulu doing it
Sir_Brizz: mamalujo: you should because Firefox will never support h.264
Sir_Brizz: they won't ever pay the licensing fee
Sir_Brizz: and it's dumb to adopt a standard based on a technology that has a licensing fee anyway
bluekoala: Because it's stupid
mamalujo: and, I had an ok experience with gnash+clive, but newer versions of flash started comming online ..
bluekoala: I'm using Ubuntu 10.04 with extras and flash is working fine here
mamalujo: won't it be able to use whatever codecs are installed on the system? I thought the fight was about the 'minimal necessary' codec to support the standard
bluekoala: It actually works better than it did on windows with the same hardware
Sir_Brizz: I'm using Kubuntu 10.04 64 bit with Flash
Sir_Brizz: and it can't figure out what to do with the sound device
Sir_Brizz: it either locks it indefinitely so nothing else can use it or sound doesn't work
jelso: flash works okay on linux, but it's still performs like shite
jelso: I mean ubuntu
mamalujo: yeah, it works fine, I just cant stop hating myself for installing a proprietary blob by adobe
DonScott: yeah it hasn't rasshed for me in linux but in Windows I'd get to wath maybe 1 show before the black screen of doom.
DonScott: *crashed
bluekoala: I got a freezing picture when in fullscreen
jelso: honestly, hulu might screw themselves by committing to flash
Sir_Brizz: might?
Sir_Brizz: they will in the long run
jelso: instead of investing in a open technology, they invested in adobe
mamalujo: though a mere ftp/http link to the file is probably the best streaming option, you choose whatever player you wish and everything's fine..
Sir_Brizz: mamalujo: there is no copy protection on a link like that
jelso: if adobe fails: hulu fails
mamalujo: theres barely any this way either
bluekoala: Adobe won't fail
bluekoala: And by that, I mean, it can only get better
bluekoala: Because srsly, I can't imagine it being much worse
mamalujo: bluekoala: well, they might fail in losing primacy in online streaming, like real did. that's enough
bluekoala: Oh no
bluekoala: The memories :(
bluekoala: You brought them to life :(
jelso: adobe *could* fail, but yeah, its not likely; however, my point is that investing all your eggs in another company's basket isn't a great business decision
Sir_Brizz: lol koala
Sir_Brizz: I can imagine it getting worse and adobe bloats the platform even more over time
Sir_Brizz: and=as
bluekoala: If it gets more bloated it'll explode
mamalujo: with apple oposing them and html5 tag support picking up pace, I don't really think they can do anything but lose this battle
bluekoala: It needs to be leaner
DonScott: lol there's a remote for the iPad now too..
Sir_Brizz: Apple and Microsoft are anti-Flash
DonScott: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20004881-94.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20
Sir_Brizz: Microsoft has their own platform, Sivlerlight, and Apple will have their own soon too probably
jelso: another reason I think hulu fucked up: if apple decides to get into their biz
bluekoala: Microsoft is anti-anythingThatIsDoingWell
Sleepy_Coder: Some odd bandwagon they're jumping on. :\
Sleepy_Coder: anti-not-Microsoft*
Sir_Brizz: Google is the only one who is embracing Adobe
Sir_Brizz: and god knows why they are either
Sleepy_Coder: Youtube.
jelso: Apple is pretty invested in open technologies; I don't see an Apple-flash thing
Sir_Brizz: Sleepy_Coder: perhaps... but Youtube has an HTML5
mamalujo: I thought youtube is also preparing to offer