Sleepy_Coder: I believe there is a cell-oriented channel on Freenode, I just can't remember the name :x
Sleepy_Coder: Maybe it's just #cell :\
madshaun1984-ps3: kk ty
timofonic: madshaun1984-ps3: Anyway, Cell is death outside PS3
timofonic: dead
madshaun1984-ps3: yeah
madshaun1984-ps3: everythings compiled ready to go, but I can export the LD_LIBRARY_PATH
madshaun1984-ps3: mesa is at /usr/lib/mesa
timofonic: It looked a nice platform, but damned by Sony
timofonic: Even BluRay suffers it, today digital distribution is killing phisical media...
madshaun1984-ps3: this is doing my head in
madshaun1984-ps3: http://www.mesa3d.org/ <-- cell driver (left hand side)
madshaun1984-ps3: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$PWD/lib/gallium:$PWD/lib/
madshaun1984-ps3: ^ no matter how I put that, it fails
madshaun1984-ps3: yet mesa installed to /usr/lib/mesa
jrgp: well at least valve seems to be updating it often
mattgirv: http://store.steampowered.com/news/3808/
ragix: hmm, was there another steam update today
mastertheknife: Nothing special just steamclient.so
ragix: did you fix the segfault in vgui2_s.so?
mastertheknife: there is a new one ?
mastertheknife: ragix: have you applied the vgui 2a patch here? World of Goo
mastertheknife: err
mastertheknife: [#phoronix]
mastertheknife: http://openetherpad.com/ep/pad/export/0UmBOBf27q/latest?format=html
ragix: Ohh, nope.
ragix: ahh awesome :)
mastertheknife: that was made few days ago, i hope it will still work with the current steamclient.so
ragix: what is the next fix you are working on mastertheknife
eddieate: think he gave up...
ragix: The Steam Client is strictly a Windows application, and there are no current plans to create a native Linux Steam Client at this time.
ragix: heh, thats on their wiki
Ivanovic: ragix: the wiki is valid as long as there is no official announcement
Ivanovic: ;)
ragix: true taht
ragix: CLinuxSurface::CreateHTMLWindow needs ImplError: texture file 'graphics/RadUnselStd' does not exist or is invalid
ragix: is that the new error?
ragix: Hmm, it gets a 401 from apt.steam.com
ragix: api.steam.com
ragix: gah
ragix: api.steampowered.com
ragix: mastertheknife: do you think the texture files are tga like the win32 client uses?
ragix: win32 version uses radUnselStd.tga
Kano: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=kano-20557-476-28375
Kano: phenom x6 is not that impressive
Modplan: radUnselStd.tga is named wrong in linux steam client (they named it with capital r)
Ivanovic: Kano: ehm, different test setup
Modplan: but it's nothing big, and you just need to replace R with r
maikmerten: Kano, I assume that's with the powermanagement fixes applied?
ragix: yeah, just tried that
Ivanovic: if you do compilation tests and use a different compiler it is expected that the results are not identical
Kano: maikmerten: he said so
Ivanovic: and the difference between phenom2 955 and penom2 1090 is fine
Kano: not sure if apache is faster because of ck/bfs
Kano: well he can use kanotix 64 too, but i refuse to install opensuse
Ivanovic: make him use kanotix since the software stack *does* make a difference
Kano: x264 the diff is more or less nothing, ffmpeg my system is even faster
Kano: the most other things are just theoretical
Ivanovic: especially the difference in a mojor gcc version for build tests or the difference due to the file system
Ivanovic: (and of course a different kernel)
d2kx: "My source in game publishing told me "Steam for Linux be completed at the end of the summer". Valve already give this information to game publishers, and maybe to game developers too."
DonsScott: that's sooner than I expected.
d2kx: source: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14900028&postcount=719
DonsScott: I was guessing late this year/early next.
Wipster: nice, looking forward too that, step closer to getting shot of windows
DonsScott: yeah....i got rid of windows a few days ago....the games are the only thing I miss.
DonsScott: now that I know it's coming late in summer I'll just hold off on dual booting
Wipster: bit out of the loop here but is it going to be opengl 4 or something older or a wrapper for dx?
DonsScott: and it's not like i can't play tf2 and l4d through wine....except i can't use my headset w/mic and the framerate is kinda bad.
Ivanovic: Wipster: not sure at all what it will be
Ivanovic: Wipster: though i assume that it will be a native port directly using opengl
Ivanovic: no idea which version of opengl though
Ivanovic: i'd assume something like 3.x, but who knows...
Wipster: Ivanovic, yeh I'd hoped it would be a native thing
Wipster: aslong as the performance gives playable Im happy
Ivanovic: Wipster: since nothing is officially announced yet we can only assume things
d2kx: they use OpenGL 3.0 currently but will add newer functionality soon
Ivanovic: and it looks like the mac port will use opengl so it would be stupid not to use the same on linux
d2kx: because mac os x does not support newer opengl stuff right now, but valve is putting pressure on apple to release mac os x 10.6.4 which includes better opengl support
eddieate: DonsScott: what hardware are you playign tf2 & l4d on in wine?
wait4steam: hi all
wait4steam: does anyone know if fglrx will support kms in the future
wait4steam: ?
wait4steam: or if the radeon drive will get a performance boost?
d2kx: fglrx+KMS = no
d2kx: radeon performance improvements = yes
wait4steam: at least half good news :/
wait4steam: thxy
wait4steam: thx
d2kx: fglrx will have other great improvements over the next weeks and months though
wait4steam: fglrx runs so bad on my new notebook
d2kx: in how far
DonsScott: I can't wait for Solid State Drives to get even bigger and cheaper.
wait4steam: grafic errors in gnome ui for example
wait4steam: warsow crashes
wait4steam: hl2 with wine crashes if i run it in dxlevel81 and try to change the resolution
d2kx: DonsScott: Intel's 3rd gen SSD with 28nm chips is launching later this year with 150, 300 and 600 GB and a lower price
d2kx: wait4steam: graphic errors in gnome ui should be gone when the new 2d acceleration architecture is enabled by default soon
wait4steam: and the ugly boot screen because of missing kms
wait4steam: and clutter runs unusable
wait4steam: with so many errors
DonsScott: omg omg omg ......steam and big ssd's later this year.......AWESOME
d2kx: hopefully ubuntu 10.10 allows to use btrfs but i cant see why it shouldnt
wait4steam: the problem is, when i use the radeon drivers warsow runs very slow on high res
wait4steam: clutter is flickering
wait4steam: hl2 is just something like a black screen
wait4steam: but at least gnome is free of graphical errors
wait4steam: and 1920x1080 bootscreen, thanks to kms :D
Wipster: d2kx, you know if they will be equipped with sata3 6gb/s ports?
Kano: 890?
d2kx: Wipster it isn't known yet but i wouldnt be surprised
d2kx: Kano: Intel 3rd gen SSDs
asciiwolf: hello
asraniel: hi
kbios: hello everyone
kbios: Just tried for the first time a 3d game with my HD4200 and the open stack (mesa 7.7). It's much faster than I expected! OpenBve is perfectly playable at maximum settings and 1920x1080
d2kx: only mesa 7.8 offers GLSL for r6xx though
kbios: should glsl affect openbve? It uses only opengl 1.4
kbios: or it is only a matter of performance? thx
d2kx: it shouldnt affect it whe nit only uses gl 1.4, but the overall code is a lot better
d2kx: but if its running fine for you, ok. the gallium3d driiver will replace the r600 mesa driver soon anyway
mastertheknife: hey d2kx
d2kx: hey
mastertheknife: you saw what was said on offical forums?
mastertheknife: end of summer sounds so late :/
mastertheknife: thats like November there no?
d2kx: i did and i already posted it in here
mastertheknife: Here end of summer is november.. what is there in the US?
d2kx: dunno
mastertheknife: they can finish the deal in 2-3 months if they wanted to
wait4steam: is the mobility hd 4670 a r600 card?
sado1: r700
wait4steam: k thx
asciiwolf: mastertheknife, any news about steam?
asciiwolf: I see that after today's update, your vgui2 patch doesn't work anymore for me... :(
mastertheknife: asciiwolf: hi.. no not that i know of
giselher: asciiwolf, we should wait for the mac update
asciiwolf: it crashes on sigsegv after successful login :(
giselher: It might be that the linux client gets also an update
mastertheknife: asciiwolf: there is because steamclient.so is updated, the offsets probably don't match anymore causing a segfault
asciiwolf: even if I delete ~/steam*;~/Steam*
asciiwolf: mastertheknife, ah
mastertheknife: asciiwolf: if you have the original steamclient.so from saturday (big update), that should work the best
asciiwolf: hm, I don't have it... :(
mastertheknife: giselher: you have a point, maybe when mac is released linux will receive big update
giselher: btw, I think the late summer is the final release, a beta would be available earlier
mastertheknife: I hope..
mastertheknife: earlier than late summer could be better though, hard to wait :)
mastertheknife: but if we consider all these years linux cried for steam, thats not much at all
giselher: I think the current client is not up to date, because the mac would also have a broken Z axis
mastertheknife: giselher: suprisingly mac seems to work fine
mastertheknife: I think the file is different for both platforms
mastertheknife: surface_linux.cpp is the one with the broken Z axis i think
somename: what was today again? open beta of macs client?
giselher: I think they already fixed the errors
mastertheknife: somename: today in 2PM valve time steam for mac will be released
somename: final release?
mastertheknife: yeah
somename: cool.
somename: hopefully they will focus on linux then
mastertheknife: linux probably anywhere from 2-6 months until release
giselher: Open Beta or really a final release?
mastertheknife: mac? final release
giselher: I thought the go from private to open beta
Nevtus: well, first release
Nevtus: it'd be buggy for sure
giselher: Like the windows one
giselher: I there is really a beta phase for linux client too, I will participate an buy all games
giselher: and buy all*
mastertheknife: yeah me too probably :)
Nevtus: I think in the beta for mac you couldn't buy anything and they just gave you a Portal build to test
Nevtus: I would like a beta for linux
mastertheknife: Nevtus: Yeah if i remember right there were 2 games in the beta
Nevtus: what was the other one?
giselher: That means in the beta for linux should be more available
mastertheknife: http://store.steampowered.com/macbeta change the mac to linux when the time comes ;)
Nevtus: I've already tried that a few times over the past few days :)
giselher: every day in the morning, stand up, eat something and trying to get the linux beta
giselher: but then redirected to the frontpage
Nevtus: how did they pick the mac beta testers, was it just random?
giselher: just random
NigeyUK: brb
giselher: well, they should have an mac as mac beta tester
Nevtus: yeah but I meant like hardware requirements or whatever like beta test for Windows games often ask for
Nevtus: I guess with mac there wasn't too much hardware variation though
Nevtus: with a Linux beta hopefully they'd get users from many different distros
giselher: I am registered now, If there are linux users, I will help them, because I want to have a good image as linux user :)
Nevtus: you mean the Steam forum?
NigeyUK: m33p m33p
NigeyUK: so nothing exciting in todays update, just another steamclient.so edit .. meh
giselher: Nevtus: yupe, the forum
Nevtus: I was surprised that the Steam and forums accounts aren't connected. I've had a Steam account for years but I only just signed up to the forum for the Linux discussion
Nevtus: well, I joined a week or two ago
giselher: I am so happy my nick was not taken before XD
Nevtus: there are a lot of kids on the Steam forum, it's worse that my time on the Xbox forums :D
Nevtus: and angry mac users
somename: macintrash rocks
Nevtus: there is also lots of hate posts about the new UI
Modplan: There's always going to be. Go to Ubuntu forums whenever there's a new release
Modplan: "Worst Ubuntu ever!" "Goodbye Linux!" threads abound
somename: i remeber the forum when karmic was released
somename: everybody got problems etc
Nevtus: large forums... at a point they all look the same
Modplan: Thing to remember that the forums are typically made for support/problems
Modplan: biased sample
Nevtus: when it comes to forums around a product or piece of software, yeah
pioto: i'm very suspicious of this 'steam on linux' rumor. isn't this just part of the massive number of files included in the dedicated server stuff? my understanding was that it was there so the server can validate checksums of client's files.
Ivanovic: pioto: there is more than just server stuff
Ivanovic: a server does not need a gui
Ivanovic: but there *IS* some gui stuff
pioto: well, that could just be a product of lazy porting/building
Ivanovic: (you don't have a friendslist and the likes in the server)
Ivanovic: no, it can not, since this stuff is in fact new and was *not* there before while the "server only" steam was available
pioto: ok.
pioto: well, i guess the mac os port makes this more plausible
pioto: since i think they opengl- and webkit-ified things, right?
Ivanovic: exactly
Ivanovic: once you got the mac version up and running there is not too much additional work required to get it running on linux, too
pioto: well, depends if they went with cocoa or whatever that mac client libary is
pioto: at least for the steam client. i assume that porting the source engine would be easier
pioto: "easier"
burra: is the mac steam client going to be relased today?
sannn: burra: 2PM valve time
burra: sannn: ok need to check the valve time wiki to see when that is :)
Ivanovic: http://store.steampowered.com/news/3808/
burra: ok need to go and visit my friend then that owns a mac and load it up with steam :)
Ivanovic: http://store.steampowered.com/macbeta/welcome
eXlin: Gallup: how many of your's steam account has been hijacked in during last 7 days?
pioto: hrm, assuming this comes to fruition.. i'll just need a native linux client for starcraft 2, and i can save on a windows license on my next desktop :p
Nevtus: just because Steam may be coming doesn't mean Blizzard and Battle.net are
Nevtus: and Blizzard have a bad track record of announcing then dropping linux support
burra: is it only Portal that is aviable from the go. CSS might come later
d2kx: guys
pioto: nevtus: i know, i'm being sarcastic. i never knew they even announced linux support for anything
d2kx: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7715209/Steam-for-Mac-goes-live.html
d2kx: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7715209/Steam-for-Mac-goes-live.html
d2kx: Valve has also confirmed that it will make Steam available to Linux users in the coming months.
d2kx: last passage
Megagun: whoa
Nevtus: pioto: they had a native WoW client in beta then dropped it
pioto: kick ass.
somename: where where
Ivanovic: nice extra line!
pioto: my best hope would be that it'll be made to work reasonably well under wine or something
NigeyUK: haha awsome, i actually trust the telegraph
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: care to post a news about it?
pioto: was their 'native wow client' a real native client, or just somethign built against winelib?
Ivanovic: "official confirmation from valve: steam will come to linux!"
NigeyUK: although i will email the reporter and see where he got the info
pioto: a-la google earth
pioto: (unless that changed at some point, too)
Nevtus: whoa, confirmed?
Ivanovic: pioto: regarding sam latinga they have a native WoW client (based on sdl) in house
d2kx: this is a serious news source, i say its officially confirmed
Ivanovic: pioto: it is "just" not released and most likely will not be released ever
NigeyUK: Nevtus, telegraph are pretty accurate in their info / sources
somename: why does it take months to port steam to linux when the mac client is finished already? both are using opengl, both are using webkit...
somename: both X11
NigeyUK: somename, cause they need to port the games to
NigeyUK: no point in a client without games
pioto: somename: i wonder about that last one (both using x11)
pioto: i'd assume the mac port would use native mac ui stuff
somename: o rly?
Nevtus: Mac doesn't use X11 though you can run X11 apps
pioto: well, they want a nice polished thing
pioto: yeah
pioto: they don't want it to look like openoffice
somename: alright... i never used mac.. ha!
Ivanovic: osx is *NOT* based on x11
pioto: which, last i tried it / used a mac, looked terrible
Nevtus: neither have I
Ivanovic: though they ship an additional app for x11 in case you need it eg for x-forwarding
NigeyUK: it's XNU is it not ?
Kano: it woull look strange when you would use x11 on mac
Japje: They should just release the linux client without any games.. its not like there are any linux gamers
Nevtus: another different you might not expect is that Mac filesystesm are by default case-insenstive
Ivanovic: Nevtus: not exactly
Ivanovic: Nevtus: by default they are case shizophrenic
Ivanovic: in some places they act case sensitive
Nevtus: :|
Ivanovic: though they are by default configured to *not* be case sensitive (you need to reformat the drives to make them case sensitive)
NigeyUK: Japje, that was a joke right ?
NigeyUK: hey kano did you get the latest update ?
Nevtus: notice the tags NigeyUK
NigeyUK: :p
Kano: NigeyUK: did not try it
Japje: NigeyUK: no i added the tag to make sure its not a joke
NigeyUK: can you try it? mine segfaults .. a new error :(
NigeyUK: sorry Japje i didnt read above, soz dude :)
Japje: lol, np dude ;)
michaellarabel: told you guys :)
michaellarabel: now for my news post to go live :)
NigeyUK: hey michaellarabel
NigeyUK: you knew?
NigeyUK: dam you :p lol
michaellarabel: I've known for two years.
NigeyUK: haha indeed, you have been saying it for a long time, credit where its dude :)
Nevtus: is this offically confirmed from Valve this time?
NigeyUK: Nevtus, daily telegraph wouldnt publish unless it was from very good source, their 1 of the best broadsheets in the u.k
d2kx: Nevtus: the telegraph got its news from Valve
mastertheknife: wow
Nevtus: I'm in the UK and I'm aware they are a fairly decent newspaper
NigeyUK: yey someone1 else in the u.k :D lol
mastertheknife: lol
Kano: NigeyUK: seems to crash with old patches
Nevtus: it just seems weird, tagging that on at the end. I dunno
mastertheknife: Kano: you need to use the steamclient.so from saturday
Kano: well you can not play anything with it...
Nevtus: though it probably would be the way the journalist would write it since he'd be unware of the significance of it
mastertheknife: yeah its kind of useless :)
Kano: michaellarabel:
Kano: checking phoronix-test-suite.diff:
Kano: 50 files changed, 708 insertions(+), 1484 deletions(-)
Kano: would be good to fix your git..
NigeyUK: Nevtus, more than likely, maybe they havent said anything else other than "its cmin to linux"
mastertheknife: Nevtus: I doubt he wrote that without a confirmation from valve, telegraph can probably get sued for something like that
Kano: that way it is completely useless
NigeyUK: and it is a mac story, they wouldnt want linux stealing the mac thunder ;)
Kano: michaellarabel: pts/test-resources/encode-ape/downloads.xml still broken when you load the tar.gz
Nevtus: I wonder when /linuxbeta/ goes live...
Megagun: also http://www.sevensidedcube.net/technology/2010/steam-for-mac-released-today/
Nevtus: :O
Nevtus: this is actually happening. it's pretty exciting
Kano: well i wrote a mac script too,but now there should be an official installer
NigeyUK: yups :D
d2kx: yeah theyre opening up now
Megagun: Now, could be that the second link just copied the news off of the telegraph without mentioning source, but..
d2kx: this is major news for the linux desktop, nvidia and amd better get their opengl driver in PROPER shape in the coming months
mastertheknife: hehe yeah
michaellarabel: Phoronix story should be live now :)
NigeyUK: i think youll see alot better drivers from nvidia and amd now
Nevtus: http://www.sevensidedcube.net/technology/2010/steam-for-mac-goes-live-steam-for-mac-now-obtainable/
d2kx: Megagun: ah the skeptics
Nevtus: "Valve has also publicized that it will create Steam available to Linux users in the coming months."
somename: i wonder what dmg files in mac mean... damage?
somename: disc-image-files
michaellarabel: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=14924
Megagun: d2kx: I am indeed a skeptic, but that does not mean I don't fully believe that it's actually coming. :)
Megagun: A skeptic is someone who is not naive; someone who thinks twice before accepting something someone says as the obvious truth. Not someone who just says "AINT GONNA HAPPEN".
d2kx: then i didnt use the appropriate term, sorry
d2kx: anyways, epic news is epic
somename: nice beer
michaellarabel: somename: Franziskaner :P
somename: österreicher? :O
burra: Weissbier :)
asraniel: I'm confused with that steam osx/linux news
Nevtus: hmm
asraniel: that sevenside website mentions linux, but the official valve blog not, whats up?
d2kx: let us help you out asraniel
asraniel: d2kx: great :)
d2kx: valves blog hasnt been updated today yet. the official announcement is imminent
Nevtus: I think a lot of these sites are just copying what each of is saying. The only one I trust is the Telegraph right now since they don't have a reason to lie
pioto: additional rumor food: http://www.valvesoftware.com/job-SenSoftEngineer.html " Port Windows-based games to the Linux platform."
pioto: i'd call that a 'reliable source'
NigeyUK: nice story michaellarabel love the beer lol
Nevtus: michaellarabel: in that photo I almost thought you were running a native build of the Linux client
asraniel: that one is old, isnt it? but jeah, waiting for the official news. but would totaly make sense to have a linux version
asraniel: this would soooo bust linux gaming :)
burra: seen this BS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6OLu8-clBw
mastertheknife: If telegraph got confirmation from valve, then the offical announcement from valve will be probably soon
d2kx: pioto: i dont they used the direct wordin "Port Windows-based games to the Linux platform." before
d2kx: asraniel: it wont boost linux gaming. it will kickoff linux gaming.
pioto: but... what about tuxracer?
NigeyUK: lol
pioto: i'd say, though, that if valve does this, and shows it to be a viable revenue source
somename: i hope nobody will use windoze then.. DIE MICROSOFT, DIE...
pioto: i would expect folks like blizzard to ultimately follow suit
pioto: somename: yeah... ok, that's never going to happen.
somename: sadly
d2kx: mac open beta and linux announcement, this is a day microsoft is not amused about.
pioto: but, if somehow both steam and sc2 became available on linux next year, i'd, for one, call 2011 "the year of linux on the desktop, for realz"
pioto: d2kx: i don't think that microsoft cares too much.
pioto: their major source of lock-in isn't gamers
pioto: it's corporate users with 'mission critical' vbscript apps
d2kx: haha
Nevtus: corporate ie6 apps D:
wait4steam: sc 2 will come for linuxx??
Nevtus: not anytime soon
Ivanovic: pioto: for home users the major lock in are in fact games
wait4steam: thats new to me
pioto: wait4steam: i doubt it will ever really have an official port
pioto: i'm just a wishful thinker
d2kx: pioto: not initially
wait4steam: ok ^^
will: wait4steram: it won't
Nevtus: IF steam on linux takes off they might
will: according to the blizzard support
pioto: yeah, i doubt they'd really do it unless valve sees a huge surge in revenue
GraveStalker: It's Official: Valve Releasing Steam, Source Engine For Linux! >>>>\o/
pioto: but otherwise i think that they'll probably continue to think most linux users are freeloaders.
will: pioto: it's true for most ubuntu users
will: :-P
pioto: i know i got into linux because i was 14 and had no money
burra: guess mac users need to buy a new mouse now. Try playing a FPS with a magic mouse :)
pioto: and my dad had some free disk with mandrake on it from pc magazine or something
Nevtus: I got into linux because I was bored with Windows and knew there had to be something better
pioto: burra: i have. it's not bad.
somename: Nevtus: same
pioto: (bootcamp, counterstrike)
Nevtus: where do Valve do announcements usually, the news page on steampowered?
burra: pioto: ok, in my opinion a wireless mouse is a big no no for FPS
will: I use GNU/Linux because I have no other choice
Nevtus: a magic mouse is the one with the tiny button for a wheel right?
will: to get freedom
pioto: burra: oh. wireless? i guess i used an older, wired magicmouse
pioto: or whatever it was called
Sleepy_Coder: will++
pioto: had the ball bearing in the top, and was able to detect a left & right click
Nevtus: will: I couldn't move back to a closed OS either now
burra: pioto: I think the magic mouse is the one with a touch surface
Sleepy_Coder: (17:01:08) < GraveStalker> It's Official: Valve Releasing Steam, Source Engine For Linux! >>>>\o/ <-- linky?
GraveStalker: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_steam_announcement&num=1
GraveStalker: lol
will: >>> www.bigjoke.net
Sleepy_Coder: I wish they would release Torchlight on Linux :(
DarkDefender: well they might reconsider.
DarkDefender: And i hope that they will as it shouldn't really be much work because they have it running on mac
Sir_Brizz: was thre something official?
Sir_Brizz: this off the cuff mention on telegraph doesn't seem legit
pioto: darkdefender: not as much work as porting from windows to linux, but it's still real work
Nevtus: Torchlight uses OGRE 3D for graphics which supports both DirectX and OpenGL, it's doable
Nevtus: OGRE is supported and runs on Linux (I'm currently messing around with it for a few personal projects)
pioto: yes. but the development cost is still non-zero, correct?
pioto: meaning they have to be able to justify that cost
will: Selling games for windows with a linux client of Steam won't change the compatibility of current games
Nevtus: they'd have some porting to do with custom code
will: It could only generate more cash for Valve from Linux users
Nevtus: but it's not impossible
Nevtus: if Steam on Linux happens I'd even say it was likely since they're supporting the Mac launch
somename: linuxusers got the most money
somename: yay
bluekoala: What I found surprising is this: "...there will be first-rate support across all platforms"
asraniel: where does phoronix has it's source from?
will: bluekoala: lie!
Nevtus: troll post http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14903157&postcount=6
Modplan: http://www.sevensidedcube.net/technology/2010/steam-for-mac-goes-live-steam-for-mac-now-obtainable/
bluekoala: I'm not sure what they mean by "support"
Modplan: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7715209/Steam-for-Mac-goes-live.html
Modplan: sources for steam for linux
will: bluekoala: support means seller but it's a lie!
Modplan: they state specifically that valve confirmed linux support in coming months#
bluekoala: will: I suspected so
Modplan: from telegraph: Steam users who own both a Mac and a PC will be able to download already purchased games to their Apple computer. Valve has also confirmed that it will make Steam available to Linux users in the coming months.
will: every eshop support Linux through HTML
will: so what's new with Steam?
Sir_Brizz: huh?
Nevtus: :S
Sir_Brizz: if this is true, it likely means all of Valve's games on Linux
Nevtus: and more commerical games on Linux with Valve leading the way
GraveStalker: :)
Sir_Brizz: yep
bluekoala: Or at least most of them
Nevtus: (along with Id)
will: we'll see that
will: maybe not
will: :-D
bluekoala: Anyone know if Half life is getting ported?
somename: half life 2 will
d2kx: still for a lot of people, PC Gaming = Counter-Strike. it applied for me too for a long time and I still like it, so won't complain
Sir_Brizz: there are lots of games on Steam that have Linux builds
Kano: mastertheknife: cant you put your patches on a normal server + file to parse name-of-patch file-to-patch
will: Sir_Brizz: builds for Linux but not officially supported
Kano: it is really annoying when you have to search for every patch
will: like Wine isn't
bluekoala: +1 will
Sir_Brizz: will, depends on the game
Kano: i like scripts...
Sir_Brizz: and we can likely watch the OSX client to see what Linux would receive
Shunt31: Anybody here know what the dependencies for printing via samba are?
DonScott: Steam already has a few commercial games that have a linux native.
DonScott: World of Goo for one.
somename: yeah
bluekoala: X3
will: you means the game pirated at 90% rate?
will: :-D
Sleepy_Coder: (17:17:54) < bluekoala> Anyone know if Half life is getting ported? <-- uses the source engine so most definitely :o
eddieate: no not hl2
will: well supported indeed
Nevtus: it uses Goldsrc
Sleepy_Coder: Oh that one
pioto: yes
eddieate: we want hl1!
Sleepy_Coder: shudders
bluekoala: Sleepy_Coder: Half-life uses the half life engine; Half-life: Source uses the source engine
somename: wine?
Sleepy_Coder: goldsrc vs source
Sir_Brizz: half life uses the Goldsrc engine
Nevtus: we're beyond that stage somename, we want native!
sannn: whahaha who said game companies were against piracy? http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1263556
markatto: well, goldsrc is based on the quake engine
pioto: i assume that most goldsrc games will run well enough under wine on modern hardware
somename: call of duty is also based on quake
markatto: which might help with a port
somename: or was... idk
will: sann: I'm sure you would love to work for 1$
markatto: but i doubt they would put the time into it
will: even less
kbios: hi all
will: just to be famous
Nevtus: you'd be surprised how many games still have bits of Quake in them
bluekoala: I have bad news: EA won't put a dime in an old game, they hardly support their current games lol
somename: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=8 halflife1 is pretty good supported by wine
bluekoala: The only hope for native ea title is the upcoming ones, and I'm doubting they'll do it
Nevtus: somename: a lot of Valve games work well in wine but that's beside the point
bluekoala: somename: I don't like using Wine
somename: true... i prefer beer over wine
DonScott: they might if valve gets a big positive reaction......money makes company do lots of things.
d2kx: i read somewhere that goldsrc (half life 1 etc) are coming to mac too, but at a later time (later in 2010), so yes we will probably see those materializing also
bluekoala: rumk & coke
Nevtus: do we want EA trying to get DRM working on Linux though?
Nevtus: (I know some people call Steam DRM)
babai: so its official?
DonScott: the only DRM i like is Steams
markatto: EA drm on linux? lol
markatto: good luck
d2kx: battlefield is a new game from EA and the copy protection is ok. you should be worried about ubisoft more
will: DonScott: true but won't be real
DonScott: and that's because it works for you
will: DonScott: the crisis is still there
markatto: there's no chance that EA could have effective DRM on linux
Nevtus: it has positives such as downloading games on any computer
Nevtus: but it IS still DRM
Nevtus: I can live with it though
Nevtus: markatto: do you want them to try?
markatto: well, network-based drm still works, and that's one of the nastier kinds
markatto: Nevtus: not really
markatto: but they can do whatever they want; i just won't buy it
bluekoala: Steam is the best DRM ever
Nevtus: if linux gaming took off DRM on linux would be attempted
will: Nevtus: freeloaders will use games with DRM
will: with Ubuntu
will: :-D
will: if it works for free why buying it?
Nevtus: didn't EA promise lots of Mac games and they ended up being terrible, late ports?
bluekoala: will: It all depends on wheter you want to give back
DonScott: EA likes to eat companies
DonScott: and poop out thier games
bluekoala: DonScott: They also like to shit them out after apparently
bluekoala: Hahaha
Sleepy_Coder: Whenever I get particularly sad about the state of Linux gaming I just power down my computer and hold my 8GB of DDR3 @ 1600Mhz tightly <3
Sleepy_Coder: Nothing beats that.
Nevtus: you could spark it
Shunt31: Anybody here know what the dependencies for printing via samba are?
NigeyUK: lol ill have to try that
Sleepy_Coder: Bitch please.
NigeyUK: Shunt31, cups
Sleepy_Coder: I haven't owned an anti-static wriststrap since 1995 :p
d2kx: EA is actually not as bad anymore. They give lots of freedoms to Valve to do their thing and recently hired the ex-Call Of Duty guys from Infinity Ward and let them do their thing properly
markatto: lol anti-static wriststrap
Sleepy_Coder: It's cruise control for cool! :D
Shunt31: obviously, it's just the menu for adding samba printers doesn't show up in te config
d2kx: ubisoft however can keep their piece of fcking protection system
will: d2kx: they have no other choice to do so
Shunt31: tried installing everything related to samba and cups
Modplan: Ubisofts page about their DRM is pure bs spin
DonScott: yeah Ubisoft really messed up.
will: without the Call Of Duty guy they won't sell any shit any more
Modplan: http://support.uk.ubi.com/online-services-platform/ read and have a laugh
bluekoala: Everytime I see ubisoft I keep thinking of rayman
michaellarabel: is phoronix.com loading fine?
Modplan: wish I still had original rayman
Nevtus: michaellarabel: on and off for me
d2kx: michaellarabel: very slow
somename: yep... slow
d2kx: Modplan: How many players can the server system support?
d2kx: There is no limit to how many players can play at the same time. For each title, we carefully study the demand and allocate servers accordingly. We will also of course allocate back-up servers in order to be able to respond to fluctuations in demand. Ubisoft provides 24/7 monitoring of its servers.
d2kx: yeah that worked out great
bluekoala: michaellarabel: Looks good here, but it's still loading some things
DonScott: it's very slow......what did you do to it.....
michaellarabel: I'll restart HTTP and see
Modplan: d2kx that bit is just hilarious
Modplan: "Is there an "off-line" option?
michaellarabel: HTTP restarted
Modplan: No." :D
kbios: michaellarabel: still slow
DonScott: now it's working
michaellarabel: will do a server reboot I think
bluekoala: michaellarabel: There's a ~3second lag here before it starts loading
Modplan: wouldn't there be a speed hit with the steam linux news?
markatto: michaellarabel: it's timing out for me
michaellarabel: Server is rebooting right now
DonScott: I wanna read that mike......make it work.
babai: Modplan, yup i think thats the case
markatto: it worked ~5 minutes ago though
michaellarabel: Usually Phoronix handles the load just fine
DonScott: Yes but this is STEAM COMING TO LINUX and it will tax your servers because it is epic.
NigeyUK: lol good point
NigeyUK: oh and its also been slashdotted .......
asraniel: is there any reference of a source in that phoronix news?
Nevtus: ahhh
NigeyUK: linking to phoronix lol
Nevtus: wait, where is the slashdot article?
Modplan: asraniel: telegraph reported that Valve had confirmed it for over the next few months
kbios: Anyone knows about a strange issue with r600 and KMS? It's as if red sparkles where jumping on the screen, but only on certain colors. Everything is fine with UMS
kbios: Mesa 7.7, linux 2.6.33, radeon 6.13
will: Modplan: next few months could be a year or more
michaellarabel: by end of summer it will be here.
Nevtus: it didn't take that long from the mac announcement to the beta
DonScott: Steam/Valve come to Mac and Linux.....should push Nvidia and ATI/AMD for better drivers.
Azalyn: is phoronix down?
michaellarabel: is phoronix.com now running fine?
michaellarabel: server reboot
NigeyUK: DonScott, im praying for that
d2kx: valve will issue a new press release when the mac open beta launches in a few hours, linux will probably be mentioned in there
d2kx: DonScott: exactly
NigeyUK: nvidia are not to bad atm, but amd/ati are awful
markatto: michaellarabel: it's loading, but slow
Nevtus: nvidia drivers are pretty good actually
Modplan: will: next few months =/= a year, then again, valve time...
will: DonScott: Nvidia drivers are already good, ATI ...
somename: works again
somename: for me
will: Still not "libre"
NigeyUK: fine for me michaellarabel
markatto: michaellarabel: it's up to speed again
DonScott: yeah it works now...Michael
giselher: some steam news?
d2kx: seriously giselher?
Nevtus: giselher: semi-confirmed by a newspaper
babai: michaellarabel, loading now but with a huge delay
cracker: Nevtus: link?
giselher: Nevtus: Wooho
d2kx: giselher: phoronix.com
pioto: re: ubisoft... "unlimited installs" is an "added service"?
Nevtus: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7715209/Steam-for-Mac-goes-live.html
giselher: For the first time in 3 years my linux crashed completly
Nevtus: last paragraph
Modplan: ploto: according to them, you need an internet connection contsantly to backup your save games
Modplan: bs of cousrse
NigeyUK: persistent connection?
NigeyUK: to play a fkin game? lmao
Nevtus: it's not a problem since ubisoft games are terrible
Sir_Brizz: Modplan: a bunch of people were saying "VALVE TIME: abou the Mac client, and look where it is
will: Did Steve Job pay for that?
Modplan: NigeyUK: yah, see here http://support.uk.ubi.com/online-services-platform/
will: :-D
NigeyUK: cheers ill take a look
michaellarabel: The Steam article hasn't hit any abnormal traffic levels yet.... So hopefully server load dissipates in a minute or two.
giselher: http://www.sevensidedcube.net/technology/2010/steam-for-mac-released-today/
NigeyUK: Will I need to be online the whole time when I play the game? Including for single player?
NigeyUK: Yes. You will need to have an active Internet connection to play the game, for all game modes.
markatto: slashdot will come soon, i guarantee
NigeyUK: thats bs
markatto: they may not link to the phoronix article though
Nevtus: they'd probably link to both
Modplan: NigeyUK: It's funny because they're trying to redefine DRM as it's feature
pioto: i think starcraft 2 is similar
pioto: but i think it is supposed to let you use a 'guest' mode to play single player
will: Modplan it's a feature for pirate
will: :-D
NigeyUK: haha, they can kiss my hairy ass, no wonder my m8 thats normally is pro ubisoft went ape about this
pioto: also, obviously steam is similar
pioto: with regerds to achievements and such
Nevtus: pro ubisoft? it's just a company
Azalyn: i wonder how this will effect blizzard's planned content delivery platform.
will: Nevtus: He may have shares
Nevtus: you mean battle.net?
michaellarabel: http://slashdot.org/submission/1235806/Its-Official-Steam-Source-Engine-On-Linux looks to be here in Steam's Firehose
Azalyn: now that valve has a multi-platform one... blizzard may follow
Azalyn: Nevtus: as i recall blizzard was working on their own steam-like app
bluekoala: f* blizzard
will: Azalyn: they already have an eShop
Nevtus: for third party games too?
bluekoala: They can't get diablo 3 and warcraft 3 right
Megagun: http://socialmediaseo.net/2010/05/12/steam-for-mac/
Azalyn: one thing is for sure, this could change everything.
Nevtus: Valve already have that market covered, I doubt Blizzard could do much about that now
Megagun: "Runic Games has also confirmed that Stream will be available to Linus users in the coming months."
DonScott: i'm thinking a lot more game developers and publishers will follow....since steam is moving on without them at this point.
Megagun: LINUS USERS
Megagun: oh my god stop fondling linus!
Azalyn: before now it was pretty much impossible to gauge the linux gamer market, or demand.
bluekoala: Megagun: I wonder if their source is phoronix articles? :P
Nevtus: Linus :D
pioto: blizzard is making battle.net into a steam-like experience
will: Linux already have the best game ever made
pioto: with friends and such
Megagun: It says Runic games, the guys who're making torchlight.
will: VIM
Azalyn: with valve 'bootstrapping' gaming on linux, so to speak, they will be able to gather statistics.
bluekoala: I use Linus for his nerd mojo ;)
will: :-D
Azalyn: on how many people play on linux
NigeyUK: lmao
Azalyn: etc
giselher: I have something to say:
NigeyUK: yeah valve can gather some accurate stats for linux gaming like they do windows, theyll make for interesting reading
bluekoala: You killed my baby today?
DonScott: I bet we will see an equal if not slightly more market share than MAC
giselher: STEAM FOR LINUX: WHOOOOOOOOOOOO
giselher: HHHHHHOOOOOOO
Nevtus: in terms of Steam, I heard Valve could tell people were using Wine by the reported driver name
NigeyUK: yeah the sound driver
will: Steam not gonna have a chance on my PC
bluekoala: Nevtus: That is true
giselher: bluekoala: I don't kill baby
giselher: s
will: No proprietary eShop on my system
bluekoala: Not a fan of the misfits are we?
NigeyUK: lol
joris_: i've just seen the news on Phoronix
joris_: Steam on linux so it's official now, very good :p
bluekoala: There's usually good news on there
NigeyUK: hey joris
joris_: hey you
joris_: Amazing =D
NigeyUK: =D =D
will: joris: MacOS is official, Linux is still dreamed by fanboys
NigeyUK: dreamed?
Megagun: Augh, my own first name is Joris, and I keep thinking someone's trying to tell me something. :P
bluekoala: lol
joris_: Megagun: I telepathically harceled you since you were born
will: "apt-get -i steam" won't work
will: :-P
NigeyUK: lol
markatto: michaellarabel: you should look into using something like squid, it can keep serving pages while you're tinkering with mysql and would help big traffic spikes
NigeyUK: will, wouldnt be surprised to see it pre packaged with ubuntu & fedora at least
michaellarabel: are pages loading fine for you right now markatto?
Azalyn: will: no, it's official.
joris_: Steam for Linux, The million dollar for the Humble Indie Bundle, Linux is just in the move now !! 8D
Nevtus: I doubt it would be pre packaged in any distro NigeyUK
will: Azalyn: Link?
NigeyUK: why not ?
Azalyn: will: valve confirmed it.
will: to download the shit
joris_: there are plenty of scripts
Azalyn: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7715209/Steam-for-Mac-goes-live.html
joris_: already posted
NigeyUK: ubuntu wasnt expected to prepackage h264 support but they did
Nevtus: depends on whether Valve allow redistribution + not everyone plays games
Azalyn: phoronix story is here http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_steam_announcement&num=1%22
Nevtus: and the distros stance on closed software
Sir_Brizz: valve "confirmed" it
markatto: michaellarabel: no
Sir_Brizz: who knows where they got their info
Sir_Brizz: for all we know they are reading phoronix and see that as confirmation
bluekoala: michaellarabel: It takes me 6 seconds to start loading, but the loading gets done in like 70ms
will: I said a link to download it not to dream about
michaellarabel: is it timing out or what? It's running fine here. Anyone else hve load problems?
Nevtus: it's very slow
pioto: Sir_Brizz: valve advertised a job listing looking for someone to port games to linux
markatto: michaellarabel: it just loaded on my 4th try
pioto: that seems like reasonable confirmation to me, too
Sir_Brizz: pioto: I'm aware of that
Sir_Brizz: but they did that like 2 years ago also
Nevtus: took about 8 seconds to load a page just there
mattgirv: hello :)
NigeyUK: little slower than usual michaellarabel but not significantly
d2kx: michaellarabel: crossover games 9.0 is also out today
Sir_Brizz: we already know they are workign on it, but are they going to release it? they have not confirmed that yet as far as I'm aware
michaellarabel: I wonder if it's just network problems at the data center, the load or anything isn't high right now.
d2kx: phoronix is like completely down for me
d2kx: oh no now it works but verrry slow
bluekoala: oh wow lol
Modplan: odd that phoronix fecks up right as this news is posted
joris_: was this posted a long time ago ?
d2kx: Modplan its a ddos attack by microsoft
michaellarabel: only like an hour ago
bluekoala: I think it may be routing issues between ISP's
DonScott: it's because of it's EPICness.
joris_: ah ok I'm just in time ^^
bluekoala: I'm on Rogers in canada and it starts loading after about 5 seconds
somename: d2kx: lol
Nevtus: I wish Valve would post something on their site about it...
d2kx: nevtus: they havent even posted about the mac open beta launch yet
d2kx: soon
somename: when is "soon"?
DonScott: they operate in valve time so it might not show up in real time.
giselher: I thought final release of the mac client
Nevtus: could be any time really
mattgirv: d2kx: They made an announcement regarding the Mac version this morning
d2kx: mattgirv the announcement youre talking about was made yesterday and it only said "its coming tomorrow blabla" but there will be another one
bluekoala: --- phoronix.com ping statistics ---
bluekoala: 20 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 19150ms
NigeyUK: i think they block icmp bluekoala
Azalyn: really? an hour ago? heh
Azalyn: i saw it on osnews
bluekoala: PING phoronix.com (209.62.40.52) 56(84) bytes of data.
bluekoala: 64 bytes from ev1s-209-62-40-52.theplanet.com (209.62.40.52): icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=40.0 ms
Azalyn: http://www.osnews.com/comments/23284
bluekoala: ^C
bluekoala: --- phoronix.com ping statistics ---
bluekoala: 71 packets transmitted, 1 received, 98% packet loss, time 70009ms
Azalyn: and followed the link to phoronix.
bluekoala: I got 1 reply, I guess it's not blocked
bluekoala: The packet I received is from the states on our VPS
bluekoala: POhoronix won't load at all for me anymore
Megagun: Phoronix is getting hammered
michaellarabel: It's not getting hammered at all...
somename: microsoft DDoSed it... as d2kx said
bluekoala: lol
michaellarabel: the load isn't even high right now.
bluekoala: It took 9 seconds to load this time
markatto: i can't even png
giselher: I cannot load it too
bluekoala: michaellarabel: Which continent is phoronix hosted on?
DonScott: might be some FSF people hating on you michaellarabel
markatto: --- phoronix.com ping statistics ---
michaellarabel: US
markatto: 3 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2000ms
michaellarabel: TX
NigeyUK: itll be all the mac fanbois clogging up the net trying to see if the mac client is ready yet :p
bluekoala: srs
bluekoala: You might want to call hosting and do some testing
bluekoala: It sounds more like there's a CRS switch down
bluekoala: Redundant redundancy
Modplan: I can imagine valve sabotaging phoronix and claiming we all dreamed it
Modplan: or were crazy
NigeyUK: lol
bluekoala: I can speak for myself when I say I'm crazy
Modplan: "Those screenshots of the client don't exist, you made them up!"
bluekoala: But others may get offended
bluekoala: Yes, in MS paint
Megagun: http://search.twitter.com/search?q=linux+steam oh dear
NigeyUK: haha oopsie
Modplan: see? It's all part of valves plan
Modplan: they didn't want to just delete threads on their forum. They needed to prove we were crazy
bluekoala: LMAO HAHAHAOHOH
bluekoala: Those links are to phoronix
bluekoala: Oh god
Midler: i was just thinking the same
Midler: all goes to phoronix
bluekoala: Wait
bluekoala: Lemme check digg
Azalyn: phoronix links to the telegraph though as one of it's sources.
mattgirv: Azalyn: And the other site is pretty much a rehash of the Telegraph article by the looks of things
d2kx: Azalyn: telegraph down in 3, 2, ...
Modplan: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/
Megagun: As far as I can see, there are 2 sourceless "people X have confirmed" news articles, and 1 sourceless that might be based off of the Telegraph article
Modplan: on reddit too
Azalyn: as someone else here said, there will probably be a press release later today
Azalyn: the telegraph probably got a hold of it early but wasnt allowed to publish it, so instead they're just reporting it in their own words.
Modplan: page loaded now
Azalyn: yes but if you combine these sources, along with the fact that a linux native client actually *exists*, i think it's pretty much reliable at this point.
joris_: excuse me but what time is it in america ?
pioto: yeah, this does seem to debunk rumors at this point: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=1313-QIPD-5381
Azalyn: it is a safe enough bet that i'd put my money on it.
pioto: but they may just not be ready to announce it yet
NigeyUK: joris_, i think valve are 7 hours behind the uk ?
NigeyUK: maybe 8
joris_: ok
joris_: so it's about midday ?
Azalyn: do you really expect them to update their support pages overnight?
NigeyUK: id expect their mac client about 9 - 11pm uk time if theyre doing the 2pm release
bluekoala: --- phoronix.com ping statistics ---
bluekoala: 870 packets transmitted, 727 received, 16% packet loss, time 881475ms
markatto: that page is out of date
Megagun: Valve are notoriously slow at actually updating their sites and such
Azalyn: "The Mac version of the Steam client will be released in April, until that time we will be unable to provide support for Mac issues."
Azalyn: that wiki page is out of date
Megagun: The news of OSX steam was out on news sites before it was on their own page.
Azalyn: wasn't released in april after all
TobiasTheCommie: will: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_steam_announcement&num=1 <- can't be said enough!
NigeyUK: heh most of valves site is out of date
Azalyn: so if even their mac data is out of date, you can't really trust the wiki pages.
d2kx: @pioto: this support article is over a month old where valve didnt want anyone to know
pioto: Azalyn: the beta was out in april, wasn't it?
Azalyn: they may have decided to port it to linux by seeing how much people are using it in wine currently. combined with the realization that a port from mac to linux is trivial at best. both are unix+opengl platforms.
d2kx: the actual mac launch the article is talking about was planned for april, that was back in march when they said it. now were in may and only open beta launches
NigeyUK: and during all this people have failed to notice the linux client has again been updated since last night
joris_: and what's new ?
NigeyUK: checking
c_korn: celebrates
joris_: celebrates with c_korn
NigeyUK: joris_ nm, i think it re-downloaded the update from last night for some odd reason
joris_: weird
DonScott: valve likes easter eggs
NigeyUK: yeah, very, maybe i changed a file, i was looking in a .res file for something
joris_: check your /home dir
DonScott: and they are very sneaky and will hide them in plain site.
NigeyUK: ah ok, scrap that, i renamed a tga file and forgot to inhibit updates
NigeyUK: DonScott, thats very true!
kbios: phoronix.com is still very slow for me
Nevtus: DonScott: have you noticed something?
meGenius: kbios: i think it's nothing related to the markup. it's maybe a server issue
kbios: meGenius: ok thanks
bluekoala: Me too
bluekoala: I ran a trace to it, the routing is fine
bluekoala: I seem to be getting lots and lots of loss though
meGenius: have anyone tried Y!Slow on phoronix??
meGenius: the total size of the main page is only 140.3KiB
kbios: according to nmap nothing is wrong. It cannot identify httpd though
Modplan: I'm genuinely getting scared. Too much of a coincidence :/
Modplan: phoronix has ms spies infiltrating it and tearing it down from the inside
NigeyUK: it may be the ad provider causing the problems ?
markatto: i doubt it
michaellarabel: no ad provider would have nothing to do with it
michaellarabel: waiting for my admin to look into it now...
markatto: ads are usually loaded from seperate URLs
markatto: the page will still render if they're not found
NigeyUK: ohh.. well its ok here, bit slower than normal but still loads fine
Modplan: michaellarabel: Doesn't that mean that every ad provider had something to do with it? :p
kbios: michaellarabel: what os are you using? nmap says "Linux 2.6.9 - 2.6.24". Isn't it a bit old?
markatto: i'm still getting hardcore packet loss
markatto: on the order of 98%
bkero: Can't connect to phoronix O_o
andar: bkero, wow, welcome to the discussion
bkero: Heh
michaellarabel: kbios: Running RHEL 5.3 if I remember right
x-pilot: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/phoronix.com
x-pilot: great :(
kbios: michaellarabel: thanks
somename: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/downforeveryoneorjustme.com
andar: DON'T DO IT
andar: DON'T CLICK THAT
somename: DONT
andar: CRASH THE INTERNET
somename: ITS A VIRUS
x-pilot: o_O
somename: YEAH
kbios: o_O
kbios: I cannot get a virus whatsoever :-)
somename: sure
somename: even linux can get viruses
kbios: Not if I'm using it :-))
markatto: people say "can't" which is not true
markatto: "doesn't" is true however
kbios: httpd: Server: Apache/2.2.15 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.15 OpenSSL/0.9.7a mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 PHP/5.3.2
DonScott: it's not that linux can't get them......it's that it's much harder to.
markatto: --- phoronix.com ping statistics ---
markatto: 50 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 49018ms
kbios: Wow, what a percentage
DonScott: I hope Valve has enough servers when they go live with linux......
Euthanatos: markatto, they're not viruses, they're malware
bluekoala: Linux is the easiest to hack if you have physical access
kbios: I could rent my 1 mbps (upload)...
Euthanatos: bluekoala, only assuming the user left his physical access unsecured
MPX: *clicks the link :D *
markatto: Euthanatos: yes, the category that was traditionally considered "viruses" is quite rare now
kbios: or if he lost his laptop o_o
bluekoala: Euthanatos: It's usually the case
bluekoala: No pun intended
Euthanatos: markatto, viruses imply self replication
pioto: not really any easier than windows. with physical access, it's relatively trivial to reset the administrator password
Euthanatos: lol
pioto: unless you are using some level of disk encryption, basically
markatto: pioto: same on any system
Euthanatos: markatto, linux is far too diverse and malware would be far gto package dependant to work in a replicating fashion
bluekoala: Right, disk encryption can do wonders for security
kbios: markatto: TPM maybe?
Euthanatos: malware would have to be hand installed with physical access or a shitty netowrking setup
markatto: pioto: but breaking a windows < XP password is much easier
markatto: the ntlm hash is incredibly weak
markatto: <= XP rather
Euthanatos: bluekoala, even 128bit aes isn't difficult for any ghz+ proc to handle with minimal prefomance loss
AsciiWolf: hello
kbios: AsciiWolf: hi
markatto: kbios: treacherous platform module?
markatto: no thanks :P
kbios: I agree, just a thought
Euthanatos: i consider hard disk encryption to be standard for any linux system i set anyone up with
r4: so yeah...word on the street is that stema is coming to linux..officially?!
somename: WARNING - ADULT LINK http://tinyurl.com/yfout7n
markatto: disk encryption is great
kbios: Euthanatos: unless you need performance
markatto: disk encryption is difficult on a box you don't have physical access to though
artir: just downloaded steam for linux
artir: [----] !!! Fatal Error: Failed to load steamui.so :(
Euthanatos: kbios, even if you need preformance it's not that diffuclt to set your system up with an unecrypted OS specifically for gaming or whatever your processing
Euthanatos: if you're doing video conversion of non proprietary media than you might benefit from not using encryption
will: artir: you downloaded a virus :-P
markatto: LUKS doesn't actually slow stuff down by all that much
Shunt31: artir: look up etherpad in the irc logs
Euthanatos: but if you're working with proprietary media encryption benefits far outweigh any speed boosts
kbios: Yes, but I was thinking of a server
Shunt31: artir: 1 min
artir: the one fron steam
Euthanatos: and is truly only an issue if you're working with archaic hardware
markatto: cpu performance compared to i/o performance is pretty high these days
artir: it was from valve
Euthanatos: i had aes256 on a 1.7ghz athalon XP on my laptop and had no noticeable preformance loss in video conersion or low end gaming
artir: so what should i do now, quick!
markatto: the newer intel cpus even have hardware encryption instructions
markatto: and handle it very effectively
Euthanatos: meh...fuck intel
Shunt31: artir: "run LD_LIBRARY_PATH=linux32:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH LD_PRELOAD=`echo linux32/*.so` ./steam.sh" in the steam directory
Euthanatos: i'm not crapping cash
will: markatto: are you sure of that?
Shunt31: artit: now you're having a laugh
Euthanatos: reminds me of a review i read on newegg of a $43k 82" LFD
Euthanatos: guy was like "wasn't sure between this and a BMW" rofl
DonScott: I need to look up a good linux gaming rig now.
artir: erm
artir: still doesnt run
DonScott: since i was gonna upgrade anyway
Euthanatos: i'm building a low cost preformance machine right now
markatto: will: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES-NI
somename: http://xkcd.com/485/
Euthanatos: for a linux HZTPC
Euthanatos: bleh HTPC
artir: my cursor dissapeared
will: markatto: I thought only random number generator were integrated in CPU
somename: my fav
Euthanatos: hates netbooks =(
DonScott: hates laptops
markatto: will: ofc it only helps for AES
bluekoala: likes netbooks :)
bmunger: so has anyone looked at the newest steam binaries?
Euthanatos: i can't stand this tiny keyboard and there's no ropom on the screen
artir: now i get XIO: fatal IO error 0 (Éxito) on X server ":0.0"
artir: after 38 requests (33 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
NigeyUK: artir, the latest update will segfault
bmunger: timestamp on the newest version is Wed 12 May 2010 02:02:35 AM EST
will: markatto: it's still not effective
bluekoala: Euthanatos: Install zsnes, get 2 USB controllers and you get a portable super nintendo
will: markatto: it was only proposed
Euthanatos: bluekoala, that's a decent use
bluekoala: It's the main use of my netbook
bluekoala: That and ssh
Euthanatos: rofl
artir: so haev some1 got it working?
Euthanatos: that's an expensive nintendo
rpj8: hi guys
Shunt31: artir: what folder are you in?
bluekoala: Euthanatos: That nintendo allows pr0n
artir: steam
rpj8: thumbs up for workin on the steam client :)
markatto: will: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES-NI#CPUs_with_AES_instruction_set
markatto: it's in the wild if that's what you mean
rpj8: glad someone who knows what they're doing is on this shit
artir: /home/artir/steam
Shunt31: is there the linux32 folder in it?
artir: there is
Euthanatos: im tempted to post aq link to an nsfw of princess toadstool
Euthanatos: lol
rpj8: post plz
Shunt31: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=linux32:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH LD_PRELOAD=`echo linux32/*.so` ./steam.sh should work
will: markatto: it's not standard
will: seems to be an Intel feature
markatto: will: future amd cpus will support it
will: I don't see the future very clearly like you do
markatto: just like SSE, it takes a bit for every manufacturer to support it
artir: --------------------------------------------------
artir: [----] !!! Fatal Error: Steam failed to load: *SteamStartEngine(0xbff4f388) failed with error 1: Failed to create directory /home/artir/Steamhttp:/store.steampowered.com
artir: CAsyncIOManager: 0 threads terminating. 0 reads, 0 writes, 0 deferrals.
artir: CAsyncIOManager: 0 single object sleeps, 0 multi object sleeps
artir: CAsyncIOManager: 0 single object alertable sleeps, 0 multi object alertable sleeps
artir: CAsyncIOManager: 0 threads terminating. 0 reads, 0 writes, 0 deferrals.
artir: CAsyncIOManager: 0 single object sleeps, 0 multi object sleeps
artir: CAsyncIOManager: 0 single object alertable sleeps, 0 multi object alertable sleeps
artir: XIO: fatal IO error 0 (Éxito) on X server ":0.0"
artir: after 38 requests (33 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
artir: ..............................
Euthanatos: artir please use pastebin >.>
DonScott: I was thinking of building this but with the Antec 1200 ATX case.
artir: ffuu sorry
DonScott: http://www.hardware-revolution.com/2000-gaming-pc/
will: markatto: AMD don't support all SSE extensions
Euthanatos: anyone have experience with a linux HTPC?
Tigge: Euthanatos: sure
Shunt31: artir: take the http:// out of steam.cfg
Euthanatos: i'm wondering how difficult it would be to manage multiple televisions off one box
markatto: will: there are slight differences between the instructions that AMD and Intel support, this is true
Euthanatos: specifically, four televisions and the moniter for the box itself
Euthanatos: no more than three would be active at one time
Euthanatos: four in very rare situations
Tigge: Euthanatos: what do you mean by manage?
Euthanatos: handle display output to simultaneously to 3-4/5 displays
artir: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/432326/
Euthanatos: i know linux can, at most handle 4 displays and don't need more than that but wondering how hard it would be to have the system juggle those displays between 5 outputs
Euthanatos: or..how necessary a repeater box of soem kind would be
artir: there it is the segfault
Euthanatos: i don't mind reunning a crapton of wires throughout the house
artir: all those resources are in the folder but start with capital letter >.<
Euthanatos: but i'd ideally like ot keep them all managed from one box
artir: i'll rename them
Shunt31: artir: save this as install.sh, make it executable and run it
Shunt31: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/432328/
Shunt31: oops
somename: nathan ftw
will: markatto: so it's not fully portable for any CPU
will: they're Intel specific
artir: "/home/nathan/Desktop/Steam\" I have to reanemt aht
artir: i suppose
Shunt31: change all the directories to /home/artir/steam
Shunt31: yep
Shunt31: missed that one
artir: non-capital letter steam?
Euthanatos: I would think it's possible but i've been unable to turn up any documentation of anecodtal reports of doing so
Euthanatos: any documentation at all
somename: or /home/$USER/steam
Shunt31: artir: what somename said
Shunt31: I've got this DoE risk assessment to do
Euthanatos: i'm currently shopping for the hardware and i'd nlike to make an informed decision before I make the setup
artir: ok, script running
Euthanatos: wondering if i can skate on a cheap mobo of I need something with a lot of extra pci slots and a bunch of video cards
Euthanatos: or*
Shunt31: artir: does it work ok?
markatto: will: as far as I know, the aes instructions are the same between intel and amd
artir: downloading the updates atm
artir: slow internet here...
markatto: will: also, sse implementations vary, but they're still useful
artir: but fast enough to play :D
Shunt31: what speed?
artir: 300k down
artir: what is marketed as "3 MB"
markatto: 300K != 3M
will: markatto: there's no AMD CPU supporting AES instructions according to wikipedia
markatto: will: not yet
Shunt31: I get double that speed, still not quick compared to american speeds
markatto: will: next year
markatto: artir: according to hard drive manufacturers, 3000K == 3M
markatto: but not 300K
will: markatto: why are saying they are the same since it is NOT supported currently by AMD
artir: i know
artir: but they advertise 1 mb of internet speed and give us 100 KB/s
artir: 3 mb = 300 KB/s
artir: bleh
Shunt31: doesnt 3mB = 125kb?
DonScott: artir: it might be old line that they haven't fixed yet.
markatto: will: I don't really understand your point. All i wasy saying is that the hardware exists in the wild and is supported by kernel crypto
artir: it's the same for everyone here
artir: it really sucks
Euthanatos: artir, that' megaBIT not megaBYTE the math adds up if you know the difference
Morten_: Hey, can any of you direct me to a good guide for installing Steam through wine? :)
artir: yeah
will: markatto: knowing Bulldozer could never go out
artir: 1000 vs 1024
Euthanatos: no
markatto: will: i'm pretty sure that bulldozer will be released, but that really has no bearing on my point
Euthanatos: http://www.oempcworld.com/support/MB_vs_Mbits.htm
artir: 1 byte?8 vits
artir: *bits
artir: ah wait
artir: XD
Sir_Brizz: yes
will: markatto: you said "will: as far as I know, the aes instructions are the same between intel and amd"
Sir_Brizz: 1 byte = 8 bits
will: how the instructions could be the same if AMD one don't currently exist
Sir_Brizz: so to get 1 megaBYTE per second, you have to have at least 8 megaBIT internet
markatto: will: okay, i will revise that to "as far as i know, the instructions that amd is planning on implementing are the same as the ones that intel is currently using"
DonScott: i used to get 600 kb/s at my old house but when I moved to my new place it jumped to 1 mb/s so it just might be something with an old line buried somewhere they have to replace.
will: markatto: I agree with this sentence
DonScott: or up the signal on
markatto: will: I still don't entirely understand what we're arguing about ;)
artir: i will just say that i live in canary islands (spain) in the middle of the atlantic sea with almost third world internet infraestructure.
markatto: will: basically I said 'there is some hardware that can make encryption faster' and you said 'not everyone has this hardware.' The two statements are completely orthogonal.
will: it started with the AES implementation in CPU and should end here (IMHO)
DonScott: oh well then I wouldn't hope for a better speed yet =(
Euthanatos: artir did you get steam working?
Euthanatos: do they ened to change the topic?
Euthanatos: lol
artir: not yet, i reran the script
artir: it wants to be in the desktop
artir: which in my pc is called "escritorio"
Euthanatos: i'm curious how big you'll let the bruise on your forehead get
artir: fpalming ftw
DonScott: artir: you should post a screenshot of it running, that would be awesome.
Shunt31: artir: what wants to be on the desktop?
artir: IF i get it running
artir: the script
artir: it's hardcoded
artir: i had to change it
soc: hi
DonScott: ......steam likes the desktop.....it loves it.
soc: does anyone know details about the way files are stored with the steam linux client?
Sir_Brizz: huh?
soc: does it store all the gaming files in ~, which will duplicate games mutliple users have?
Sir_Brizz: nobody knows how it will officially work
soc: or does it store it in some system folder and steam will require root permissions to update and install games?
artir: holy shsst
artir: it "works"
artir: the interface is screwed
Shunt31: no text
NigeyUK: hehe yeah, no fonts and stuff but the basics work
artir: i read somewhere that there was a parameter to login
NigeyUK: add -login
DonScott: yeah you have to login with a username an pass
NigeyUK: itll prolly segfault, as the latest updates has messed something, you'll need to inhibit updates in steam.cfg and re-download the steamclient.so from last week
artir: >.<
artir: i'll wait for newer updates
artir: but this is awesome
NigeyUK: :)
Shunt31: 11576 Segmentation fault ${DEBUGGER} "${STEAMROOT}"/${PLATFORM}/${STEAMEXE} $@
artir: i mean, steam for linux
artir: AND the source engine
Shunt31: That segfault?
NigeyUK: if that's the 1 from last nights update yup
NigeyUK: can fix it by adding an older steamclient.so
Shunt31: how do you?
DonScott: Valve is gonna be epic with all three computer platforms
NigeyUK: http://www.nigey.co.uk/steam/steamclient.so.gz
NigeyUK: grab that and extract to linux32 dir
NigeyUK: but inhibit updates in steam.cfg first
bmunger: they just need linux64 now heh
giselher: Isn't redistribution illegal?
artir: and this will bring more game devels into linux
DonScott: redistrubution of what ?
Nevtus: the client
artir: and break the vicious circle
Nevtus: bmunger: I don't think they even have 64-bit on Windows yet
bmunger: no they dont
DonScott: why would it be illegal though ?
DonScott: it's a client
DonScott: not a user/pass
bmunger: problem is everyone still codes for 32 bit and there are very few 64 bit apps, fortunately 32 bit apps work just fine usually
Nevtus: DonScott: read the ToS
Nevtus: it seems you can only redistribute if you do not modify the files
NigeyUK: no1 is redistributing the client
DonScott: so yeah.....it's not illegal unless you modify it
bmunger: it is against most licenses to redistribute any closed software.. but in this case i dont think valve cares because its just providing media attention and future business
DonScott: thats basic knowledge i would hope
Nevtus: "(ii) you must not modify the Steam Installer in any way nor integrate or combine it with another software program;"
Nevtus: I'm not saying Valve actually care, but it's a gray area
DonScott: oooooh ok i see what you're saying now.
DonScott: no modifications either =/
artir: all of us will be sued by valve, beware!
DonScott: i doubt it
Nevtus: they won't
artir: XD
DonScott: if anything....they will hire you.
NigeyUK: haha
NigeyUK: artir, add this to steam.cfg
NigeyUK: BootStrapperInhibitAll=enable
DonScott: they hired the people that made Portal strait outta MIT i think.
artir: what's that for?
Nevtus: that was based on their game idea though
DonScott: yeah
somename: skips updating as i know
somename: < no guarantee>
Nevtus: they hired them because of their project - https://www.digipen.edu/fileadmin/website_data/gallery/game_websites/NarbacularDrop/
Nevtus: everyone on the Team page is now a Valve employee and worked on Portal
DonScott: yeah I know......the point is they saw potential and bought it....that's what Valve does usually.
DonScott: aka....send them your resume.
Nevtus: it's not really the same as patching a client though :P
DonScott: they might buy you too.
somename: chuck norris bought bill gates
DonScott: lol
somename: as a slave
DonScott: family guy had chuck norris with a 3rd fist in his beard.
Sleepy_Coder: Missing the fourth fist from the groin
somename: yeah
somename: saw that at iTube once
artir: but now that the installer is up again
artir: i guess development is still ongoing
artir: and updating will be a good thing
Sleepy_Coder: I hope valve will package steam with 32 bit libs included, since I don't want to be installing compatibility libs all the time. T.T Actualy x86_32 users can just remove them and symlink to the real ones, but I don't want to have to bother with keeping the right versions :\
Sleepy_Coder: zlib, etc
Sleepy_Coder: libsdl
rektide: BAH
Sleepy_Coder: Like how UT2004 was done
kbios: Euthanatos: for your htpc question, do you mean that all the televisions should display the SAME image?
dusty_fox: meh, most of us have wine installed already right? if we're running 64 bit we have to have a bunch of 32 bit libs installed for that
Sleepy_Coder: I don't.
michaellarabel: still having connection problems to Phoronix.com anyone?
somename: i have cola installed. who else?
DonScott: i think 32 bit is fine for now....when devs start releasing linux native games in 64 bit a lot more then they could do it.
Sleepy_Coder: You know HL2 has a 64 bit mode, right?
mastertheknife: Kano: I wasn't here, but there are good mirrors here: http://openetherpad.com/ep/pad/export/0UmBOBf27q/latest?format=html
kbios: michaellarabel: yes still unreachable
dusty_fox: i can ping phoronix and get a response but the website isn't coming up
Nevtus: site is still slow
dusty_fox: oh there we go
dusty_fox: it's just really slow
mastertheknife: michaellarabel: lots of hits probably.. :P
michaellarabel: It's nothing to do with hits.
dusty_fox: WWWHHAAAAAT LOOK AT THE FIRST NEWS POST
dusty_fox: "It's official: Valve Releasing Steam, Source Engine for Linux!"
dusty_fox: HELL YES
Nevtus: what?
sado1: hell o rly?
dusty_fox: yeah, probably why the site is slow
monreal: "Valve has finally publicly confirmed via the Telegraph" ugh.....
mastertheknife: michaellarabel: Hm, opening the front page takes 10+ sec here
dusty_fox: I'm happy as a box of high kittens!!
Nevtus: monreal: I agree. I want Valve to say it.
michaellarabel: Just called up my admin to complain
dusty_fox: Yeah I'm trying to find where the "official" announcement is
mastertheknife: Valve will do it soon
dusty_fox: I hope phoronix isn't getting our hopes up
mastertheknife: they can't do it today or tomorrow because the mac will lose its focus
monreal: Nevtus: maybe they read phoronix and thought the alpha client was confirmation enough...
kbios: michaellarabel: "complain" means "destroying"? :-)
christian_lappy: if thats a misinfo i surely will throw a big stone at michaels direction
Ivanovic: christian_lappy: you should through it at the telegrapher then
dusty_fox: "Valve has also publicized that it will create Steam available to Linux users in the coming months." - That's all I can find
dusty_fox: one sentence at the end of two news articles
dusty_fox: publicized where? phoronix? :p
christian_lappy: dusty_fox: on valves site ???
Shunt31: the telegraph
Nevtus: why would Valve put that in a Mac press release anyway
DonScott: ......Valve likes easter eggs.
dusty_fox: telegraph and sevensidedcube
dusty_fox: the two news articles linked in phoronix's article
dusty_fox: only one sentence at the end of each
mastertheknife: michaellarabel: Any idea when will valve announce it offically?
DonScott: I dunno why you guys are looking on news sites....
christian_lappy: DonScott: where to look otherwise ?
somename: make sandwich
michaellarabel: mastertheknife: As soon as today possibly.... I can probably tell you guys more info soon as I know this server stuff is resolved.
dusty_fox: I'm just looking at the ones phoronix pointed to. sadly, it doesn't look like any sort of "official" confirmation at all
Modplan: "Valve has also confirmed that it will make Steam available to Linux users in the coming months. "
DonScott: I dunno the public code maybe ?
Modplan: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7715209/Steam-for-Mac-goes-live.html
dusty_fox: Yeah but, did they confirm to the telegraph? Some hobo on the street? Where's the actual confirmation?
somename: whats the second game that will become open source ? (humble indie)
mastertheknife: michaellarabel: thank you :)
DonScott: the fact that they put it back up is one obvious clue
bmunger: they figured its out there now why bother removing it probably
Nevtus: Linux clients have come and gone before
Modplan: Nevtus: when?
Nevtus: if they don't publically announce it, they could just as easily get rid of it
Nevtus: Modplan: Blizzard and WoW
bmunger: wow had a linux client?
christian_lappy: We need officila news on valve site
christian_lappy: bmunger: in the beta, yes
mastertheknife: bmunger: Yes, during the beta but it was dropped
bmunger: thats unfortuante
mastertheknife: bmunger: They also had linux client of more games.. you can find this in google
mastertheknife: from blizzard ex employees and more
DonScott: they will announce it but Valve loves it's easter eggs, and they will toy with you because it's great free advertising.
Nevtus: which is why the binaries mean little till Valve make a real annoucement
dusty_fox: hopefully if source comes to linux that'll get other companies like blizzard to reconsider
christian_lappy: hehe
christian_lappy: we have to buys a lot of valve games
somename: what easter eggs?
somename: where?
christian_lappy: its simple as that
dusty_fox: i already bought lots of valve games though...i'm too poor to buy more
mastertheknife: Just like the linux binaries on their server... it wouldnt be there if they didnt want to tease us with it.. all the hype about those files is free publicity for them
bmunger: hopefeully the current purchased games are usable in the linux version without buying in full again
dusty_fox: bmunger: most likely they will be, because that is what is happening with mac
Nevtus: wouldn't it make more sense to hold back buying Valve games till the native Linux client comes?
bmunger: ok thats good
DonScott: yeah....
Modplan: valve will know who's downloading for linux any way
Modplan: irrelevent
dusty_fox: if it ever comes out I'll be playing my source games on linux exclusively
Nevtus: I'd have to since I don't have any machines with Windows on them anymore
Modplan: Nevtus no you woudn't
Nevtus: wouldn't what?
Ivanovic: Nevtus: since the debacle with ut3: yeah, i'd recommend everyone to wait buying the games until the native binaries are really available!
Nevtus: Modplan: I've not used Windows at home in about 3 years
Modplan: buying valve games on windows through steam gives you access to mac and presumably linux versions
mastertheknife: Yeah, you wont need to buy the same game 2 times
mastertheknife: you can buy a game from linux and later play it on windows, this is what Steam Play is all about
Nevtus: if you buy the game now, what money incentive would Valve get for the port?
dusty_fox: I don't see any mention of linux anywhere in valve's news post for today. I'd really like to know where telegraph is getting its info
Shunt31: I'm getting a nice little window finally
Modplan: It's irrelevent to valve what platform you buy it on regardless
christian_lappy: michaellarabel: do you have an officla document from valve regarding the client ?
christian_lappy: michaellarabel: any official announcment ?
dusty_fox: they'll see what the demand for linux is once they see how many people play their games in linux
mastertheknife: dusty_fox: Valve's PR probably contacted few sites to update them whats going on and when to announce, but telegraph probably couldn't wait
dusty_fox: mastertheknife: I hope so! This will be awesome news if it's true
Nevtus: but why the telegraph? If it were in a general press release someone would have say somewhere else by now
Nevtus: *have said
christian_lappy: don't understand that
christian_lappy: also
dusty_fox: sevensidedcube said it too, but who knows if they got that line from the telegraph or not
Modplan: WHO KNOWS ANYTHING
Modplan: IM SO CONFUSED
DonScott: lol
mastertheknife: This is what valve is doing to you
mastertheknife: they are creating a confusion
mastertheknife: this confusion is publicity for them
DonScott: take a chill pill and wait a month or two...
dusty_fox: "Valve used confusion!" "It's super effective!"
Nevtus: and then'll they'll go "no we're porting it to BeOS instead"
Modplan: lulz, portal 2 publicity alone proves that
Nevtus: grammer fail
mastertheknife: DonScott: They will announce it this week, be sure.
DonScott: they have to get Mac up and running good first
Shunt31: dusty_fox : =-)
dusty_fox: :)
mastertheknife: kbios: why are you flooding me with ctcp version ?
DonScott: for linux guys your are a lil impatient.
Arcanoxer: hello ladys :beer:
Modplan: it's difficult to patient when I've been waiting 2 years
kbios: Not flooding, only two times to see your client. Sorry if that is not okay for you
christian_lappy: yup
dusty_fox: Me, impatient? I'm a debian stable user :p
DonScott: then whats another week
christian_lappy: dusty_fox: rofl
Modplan: it's another week of immense pain
Nevtus: I'm just bored really. I want something exciting to happen
dusty_fox: modplan: like when your gf is having pms?
Modplan: thank God I don't have to deal with that too right now...
dusty_fox: i do :(
DonScott: it will. just sit back and sstart thinking of the stories you will be able to tell young kids....."I remember when Linux didn't have triple a game support !"
kbios: mastertheknife: it's interesting to see how different clients are related to different personalities
mastertheknife: kbios: oh ok, it just looked weird at first. You can keep ctcp'ing me if you want, but if it helps, i'm running Irssi (IRC client) on Gentoo 64bit on core2 machine
Nevtus: kbios: explain
mastertheknife: Irssi simply rocks..
kbios: Nevtus: for example, some prefers commandline clients, and others (like me) the GUI
mastertheknife: I will take picture of irssi one second
Nevtus: irssi + screen <3
dusty_fox: mastertheknife: I haven't tried it, but looks like it's available for debian. I'm just using xchat
Sir_Brizz: people are getting a little too excited about the telegraph post
mastertheknife: I use irssi without screen but its still great
Sir_Brizz: nobody knows wehat it means, for all we know, their source is Phoronix
Nevtus: pretty much all of the Steam related events of today were based on a paragraph on the telegraph website...
Modplan: we should all send mass emails thanking Gabe
DonScott: pretty big event generated from one sentene though.
Modplan: then if they're still not making it, they will to stop the spam
mastertheknife: kbios, this is irssi on my kde4: http://imgur.com/NBSvr
DonScott: sentence......i need a new keyboard
mastertheknife: http://imgur.com/NBSvr.jpg my bad
kbios: mastertheknife: it's beautiful, thanks for posting it. What theme are you using?
mastertheknife: kbios: thats KDE 4.3.5 all standard, but switched to oxygen theme on everything except colors, colors i used something else, its there
kbios: mastertheknife: ok thanks. Konversation screenshot coming :-)
giselher: mastertheknife: looks like weechat
Sir_Brizz: irssi is the bomb
Sir_Brizz: I run it on my server at home in a byobu
giselher: mine gnome + weechat: http://i.imgur.com/FiAY5.png
mastertheknife: weechat lol
giselher: I like weechat
mastertheknife: nah i didn't laugh at weechat, i don't know it never used it, its just its name :)
mastertheknife: i* never used it
mastertheknife: anyways looks nice
kbios: mastertheknife: here: http://imgur.com/m71oI.png
Sir_Brizz: I hope weechat is a fork of irssi
Sir_Brizz: otherwise they have basically stolen the design of irssi
mastertheknife: kbios: wow what distro is that ?
Nevtus: who needs Steam when you have IRC :|
mastertheknife: Sir_Brizz: like you said.. irssi is really the bomb :)
kbios: mastertheknife: It is kubuntu, but with two monitors. Since kde4 doesn't support multihead, I use icewm on the 2nd.
Nevtus: irssi is the client of the future. everyone knows that
Sir_Brizz: kbios: KDE4.4 does dual monitors just fine
Sir_Brizz: of course, it does that extended desktop thing
giselher: weechat is supposed to get clients in qt and gtk, actually I use weechat-curses
kbios: Sir_Brizz: you're right. I meant two different x sessions
Sir_Brizz: ah
dusty_fox: heh, konversation from kde 4 running in icewm :p
Nevtus: kbios: you're going for the Windows classic look?
maligor: Sir_Brizz, you mean KDE SC 4.4
markatto: Sir_Brizz: weechat is not a fork, and how have they stolen the design?
kbios: Nevtus: it's called mozmodern
Sir_Brizz: markatto: their interface is 100% identical to irssi
Sir_Brizz: down to having [Act: #.#.#]
markatto: Sir_Brizz: uh... what part? most of the commands are common to all irc clients
Sir_Brizz: commands?
markatto: and the look is a fair bit different
Sir_Brizz: I'm talking about the interface
markatto: weechat has colors by default for example
Sir_Brizz: so?
Nevtus: it looks similar to xchat too, the way it doesn't show < > around nicks
markatto: there's not all that many ways to lay out a command line irc client
dusty_fox: weechat sounds like something you'd find on nintendo's wii store
Nevtus: wouldn't that be wiichat?
Shunt31: mastertheknife: got any good themes for irssi?
Nevtus: I guess it SOUNDS like that though
dusty_fox: nevtus: yeah, but it sounds like it when you say it :)
Nevtus: ;)
Shunt31: irssi is definately good with guake
mastertheknife: by the way, for cool wallpapers especially widescreen ones, i use this site for years: http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper_beta/downloads/date/any/
markatto: Sir_Brizz: by your logic, irssi is stealing from bitchx
mastertheknife: Shunt31: no.. i use the default setup\config, except that i edited the conf to autologin to freenode and autojoin my channels, other than its all stock, if you saw my screenshot you will see it doesnt look bad at all
giselher: the thing I like most, is that every line starts at the same column in weechat
dusty_fox: mastertheknife: cool wallpapers. I like landscape-y type stuff
Sir_Brizz: markatto: not really... irssi looks similar to bitchX, but not identical
markatto: Sir_Brizz: it's about as close as irssi is to weechat
Sir_Brizz: not really
markatto: nick list on the right, info right above where you type
mastertheknife: the one i use is also down there.. "Atlantic west coast"
markatto: man, phoronix website is still strugglin
kbios: markatto: confirmed
Kosava: mastertheknife: nice page for wallpapers
markatto: not timing out for me anymore though
christian_lappy: wants an official announcement on steam website
christian_lappy: or an screenie showing the native client
kbios: markatto: it says "connection to server refused"
markatto: i dunno where they'd put it on the steam website
Sir_Brizz: has valve even released the mac client yet?
Nevtus: doesn't look like it
christian_lappy: nope
Nevtus: why does Valve find timekeeping so hard?
somename: maybe they are delaying it again
Sir_Brizz: I doubt it
dusty_fox: until next year
Sir_Brizz: it will come out today
x-pilot: Nevtus: due to "VALVe time"
Nevtus: yep, but why does Valve time exist? Why are they known to always miss self made deadlines?
DonScott: Valve likes to make quality and usually do miss deadlines to keep it. for ex. HL2 : Episode 3
kbios: Bye everyone dinner time for me
giselher: Because they are devs and not managers :)
DonScott: that too
dusty_fox: HL2: Episode 3 a.k.a. Duke Nukem Forever 2
maligor: yeah, haven't really seen any half-baked valve release
DonScott: naaah
maligor: very polished turds
christian_lappy: mac lcient seems to worknow :-)
DonScott: in fact I bet that Episode 3 will come out after they have all 3 P.C. platforms stable.
christian_lappy: that could be true
markatto_laptop: DonScott, you actually used the term "PC" correctly!
maligor: depends, they might want to keep it for linux launch title
maligor: always nice to make big launches
bkero: half baked valve releases?
bkero: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Strike_Neo
markatto_laptop: they don't care about linux launch titles
markatto_laptop: they don't need them
christian_lappy: yup
maligor: bkero, that's Namco
DonScott: hey......you cant count that lol
markatto_laptop: we will buy whatever they let us
bkero: maligor: published by namco
markatto_laptop: :P
maligor: oh, yes, it does say developer valve
DonScott: ok so 1 bad apple......and it wasn't that bad.....it just wasn't that good either.
maligor: bkero, have you played it?
maligor: the picture there looks like some daft japanese anime adaptation
maligor: and I didn't even like the original counter strike
maligor: not after ... what was it.. beta 6?
DonScott: I just hope garry ports G-Mod over to linux too since he technically isn't under Valve.
mastertheknife: Garry mod won't do it
mastertheknife: he is a BIG microsoft fanboy
mastertheknife: he wont even release his mod for linux dedicated servers
DonScott: say it ain't soo......
maligor: it an't soo......
mastertheknife: In his blog you can see people asking him for a making linux binaries for dedicated server
mastertheknife: he said "Use windows server or use wine"
DonScott: well then he sucks......
Sir_Brizz: you should have known he is a huge douchebag
Sir_Brizz: he named his mod after himself for pete's sake
DonScott: yeah....
Sir_Brizz: and it was developed "Garry's Mod Team" or whatever
maligor: who's pete?
mastertheknife: (+Morpheous) garry, while we're on the topic, when are you expecting to have Linux binaries for GMod?
mastertheknife: (@garry) I'm not Morpheous
mastertheknife: (@garry) linux is super low priority
Kosava: so what is future for some racing game or some sports to port on linux does enybody know
maligor: Kosava, those are rubbish, the people want strategy games
maligor: ;-P
DonScott: anyones guess at this point Kosava.
giselher: steam update
giselher: bins_linux.zip
Kosava: it would be nice to have some decent racing games for linux...
mastertheknife: no bins_linux.zip didn't change
mastertheknife: the checksum is the same
maligor: Kosava, there hasn't been such games of recent really
maligor: except maybe Simbin games
giselher: ooh, sorry
maligor: but simbin games are maybe a bit too far
maligor: all the racing games seem to be arcade now
Kosava: dirt,nfs anything is good at this point
DonScott: Valve can break the glass ceiling and Steam can haul it through but.....there is a small chance that they do this and it won't change a whole lot.
Sir_Brizz: LucasArts put all their old adventure games on MAc
maligor: nfs is dreadful if you ask me
Sir_Brizz: so maybe they will come to Linux too <3
maligor: and dirt is amusing, but it's still pure arcade
maligor: the older nfs were fun tho
Kosava: arcade is good for begining
Kosava: just to start from dead point
dusty_fox: Sir_Brizz: lucasarts old adventure games? can't you just run those in dosbox?
maligor: indie racing game sim developers might come to linux with steam ofcourse
maligor: since it provides a drm system
mastertheknife: Valve is a smart company, they know that there aren't many games available for linux and mac, and with linux and mac they won't have much competition because there arent many mac\linux games, and will have lots of love and appreciation from mac and linux users
Sir_Brizz: dusty_fox: if you own them. I have them on Steam
somename: sounds logic
maligor: mastertheknife, I doubt that's ever their plan
maligor: mastertheknife, even now they're emerging markets
mastertheknife: maligor: Its a company, they are interested in money
mastertheknife: a friendly company though
maligor: what I mean is, they want to plant themselves in a emerging market
DonScott: linux people's money is as good as windows......
dusty_fox: Sir_Brizz: I heard somewhere that the steam versions just use some sort of implementation of dosbox. If that's true, anyone who owns them through steam should be able to play them in linux, right?
mastertheknife: no competition\barely any competition
mastertheknife: there aren't many games for linux as there are for windows
Sir_Brizz: dusty_fox: they use some community guys windows executables
Sir_Brizz: not dosbox
maligor: I don't think even mac has commercial drm systems available
maligor: not for software
maligor: except for the big software stuff
dusty_fox: Sir_Brizz: ooh i see
maligor: like flex they use for cads and other stuff
mastertheknife: If valve will success with mac and linux (and they will), Blizzard might be next to move in
maligor: basically anyone wanting easy drm and mac ports will now go with steam
maligor: and with linux it's the same
DonScott: Mac has drm, it's called Steve Jobs
dusty_fox: heh
maligor: DonScott, I was being serious
dusty_fox: you can only run a program if Steve personally gives it his blessing!
maligor: Steve Jobs is a figment of your imagination, he doesn't exist in the real world
maligor: he only exists in the imaginary world
maligor: (mathematics for anyone who doesn't get it)
mastertheknife: Steve Jobs and Steve ballmer are close friends ;)
dusty_fox: maligor: haha, took me a while but i got it
somename: all steves are friends with each other
dusty_fox: Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers
mastertheknife: dusty_fox: what about the screaming
mastertheknife: wait ill get a link
DonScott: Advertisers Advertisers Advertisers Advertisers Advertisers Advertisers Advertisers Advertisers Advertisers Advertisers Advertisers
dusty_fox: don't forget the sweating too
maligor: mastertheknife, I'm sure they'd cut each others throats if they didn't have to pay the price and got an advantage
mastertheknife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8M6S8EKbnU
maligor: friendship is mutual trust, not press
somename: ballmer is really freaky
dusty_fox: lol that video is so funny. ballmer jumping and screaming like a monkey :)
mastertheknife: dusty_fox: you should see it all, there is a commercial of him driving with gates and listening to doh doh doh song
DonScott: if he ever left Mirosoft he'd be a motivational speaker.
maligor: steve ballmer rather really reminds me of putin
maligor: I mean the face
dusty_fox: DonScott: for an anti-perspirant company?
maligor: like a fat version of putin
dusty_fox: LOL "We're just going to keep coming and comng and coming and coming..." keep that to yourself ballmer, I don't need to know!
mastertheknife: dusty_fox: The commercials with gates start at 4:30
DonScott: he's like billy mays without the beard.
DonScott: and hair
DonScott: although I think billy mays with cocain was more mellow .
Shunt31: mastertheknife: can you scroll in irssi?
mastertheknife: Shunt31: page up page down
Shunt31: thanks
mastertheknife: Shunt31: alt+1 to alt+0 for first 10 windows and then alt+ (qwerty) for the next ones, or use /win . /wc to close window and there are more commands if you want :)
wasdude: new win32 steam client released 15 min ago
dusty_fox: mastertheknife: the last one is actually kinda funny...totally pointless but funny
DonScott: yeah
NigeyUK: ffs :@:@
mastertheknife: hey nigey..
mastertheknife: what happened ?
NigeyUK: hey dude
NigeyUK: that sodding battery state crash again
mastertheknife: by the way anyone knows the name of that doh doh doh song ?
Sonicadvance1: People of the Linux!
monreal: osnews picked up the steam story from phoronix...
mastertheknife: lol
NigeyUK: hey sonic
DonScott: I think Mark Shuttleworth should do one to Rage Against the Machine
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: you are on a laptop ?
Sonicadvance1: yea, Steam of OSX is failing atm
Sonicadvance1: Can't play videos due to permissions and w/e
NigeyUK: nope! desktop, which is why i dont get why its a battery state error
Sonicadvance1: My TF2 game isn't showing up on my game list :P
dusty_fox: mastertheknife: according to a random website i googled: " If you're referring to the Volkswagen commercial, it's by Ben Neill but doesn't really have a name."
Sonicadvance1: L4D and L4D2 aren't released yet >_>
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: wow thats really strange. have you tried removing the battery widget from the desktop ?
NigeyUK: there isnt 1 .. lol
mastertheknife: how odd
mastertheknife: dusty_fox: thanks.. seems like a funny song
NigeyUK: nothing in my gdm session relates or refers to a battery or a laptop, it must be an acpi setting somewhere
Sonicadvance1: Apparently the beta test wasn't large enough and EVERYONE had their user account set to administrator
NigeyUK: Sonicadvance1, that should be an easy fix
Sonicadvance1: Hopefully, but I'm not voicing my opinion atm
Sonicadvance1: at least not to valve
NigeyUK: they should have known on osx / linux to make sure permissions werent going to be a problem, thats basic understanding of unix systems !
dusty_fox: if they release for linux, what will the permissions be like? hopefully we won't have to run is root (dear god that would be horrible) and hopefully we don't have to create a new user for it
Sonicadvance1: mmm
Sonicadvance1: Indeed
mastertheknife: It will be probably installed in our home folders
Sonicadvance1: Aye, that's where it is installing here
dusty_fox: what if there's multiple steam users on one system? will we have to install the games more than once? o_o
mastertheknife: Sonicadvance1: Yeah, i heard in mac it installs to /Documents
Sonicadvance1: Really?
Sonicadvance1: Lemme check
mastertheknife: dusty_fox: Yeah, but thats the way its in windows too pretty much, 2 CS installs on windows is 2 different folders
Sonicadvance1: oh look at that, you're right, it installs in to ~/Documents
mastertheknife: :P
dusty_fox: mastertheknife: cs 1.6 or cs:s? the main assets for HL2, etc., go into the "steamapps" folder
dusty_fox: maybe if they do implement it that way I can do some symlink voodoo magic..
RambJoe: is 1.6 gonna be on osx/linux?
wasdude: can we post the link for the dmg? or did someone already do that?
NigeyUK: mastertheknife, another update
mastertheknife: dusty_fox: those are the .gcf files, but the installations are separate for each user
Sonicadvance1: CS:S seems like it will be OSX
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: yeah but bins_linux didn't update
NigeyUK: dammit
RambJoe: hmm wonder what css beta is like, i didn't get in i was too late :(
Sonicadvance1: and I can't remember what other game I uncovered to be coming to OSX, I forget
oNNy: are there any new pictures of the steam linux client?
dusty_fox: hmm, is DoD:S coming to OSX?
mastertheknife: oNNy: You can see it running here, this is currently all there is.. no fonts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTgqdlA_jE8
Sonicadvance1: yes!
Sonicadvance1: That's the one I found dusty_fox
Sonicadvance1: DoD:S
mastertheknife: Sonicadvance1: what games are currently available?
Sonicadvance1: Dunno when it's coming out though
Sonicadvance1: Only Portal and TF2 apparently
dusty_fox: Nice, that means if we get source on linux we'll most likely get it there too
Sonicadvance1: But for some reason, my TF2 isn't on my game list
Sonicadvance1: so that's a buzzkill
Sonicadvance1: Downloading Portal right now
dusty_fox: Sonicadvance1: it's probably not ready yet
Sonicadvance1: dusty_fox, even if it's not ready, it shows up on the list, just says that it's unavailable
mastertheknife: Sonicadvance1: thats still something for now :)
dusty_fox: hmm, hopefully it's just a glitch
Sonicadvance1: does the same with HL2, L4D, L4D2
Sonicadvance1: oh, world of Goo is available as well I heard
NigeyUK: bbs watering bloody garden again :(
oNNy: steam mac-version http://store.steampowered.com/public/client/steam.dmg
somename: nice
Sonicadvance1: indeed
Sonicadvance1: I had found that link late last evening
Sonicadvance1: without any news sites telling me BS >_>
monreal: shacknews reported it
Sonicadvance1: I was just poking around filesystems at the time and found it ;p
monreal: they also say there are 50 mac games on steam right now
d2kx: http://store.steampowered.com/browse/mac for those interested
d2kx: official download is http://cdn.store.steampowered.com/public/client/steam.dmg
Sonicadvance1: quite a line up
monreal: portal for 29.99 wtf?
The_Muh: oO
d2kx: valve just released portal for free for everyone
d2kx: http://store.steampowered.com/freeportal/
The_Muh: orangebox ftw
somename: oh my...
monreal: orangebox is 29.99
somename: why is it free now?
The_Muh: marketing
Sonicadvance1: Indeed
d2kx: it is free if you register it within the next 12 days
maligor: yeah, nodoubt they want mac steam users
The_Muh: everybody who played portal wants to play portal 2
Sonicadvance1: OSX getting a massively popular free game from Steam?!
Sonicadvance1: =O
Sonicadvance1: ;p
d2kx: no on windows too
Sonicadvance1: ah, dynamic link then
Sonicadvance1: cool
d2kx: and portal is awesome
DonScott: 62 games for mac.
The_Muh: not bad
maligor: 62?
maligor: is there a list somewhere?
Sonicadvance1: only one from Valve
monreal: it is free until 24... that means you can play it free until the 24
DonScott: http://store.steampowered.com/browse/mac
monreal: you won't own it
DonScott: the lit
DonScott: err
DonScott: list
The_Muh: if portal runs on mac, all other source-games should run on mac too
Sonicadvance1: Valve is releasing new games every Wednesday apparently
The_Muh: ♥ valve
oNNy: yeah it's really awesome!
Sonicadvance1: Too bad they glitched my TF2 apparently
Sonicadvance1: shakes fist
Sonicadvance1: I'll check Windows side later
dusty_fox: d2kx: thanks for the heads up about the free portal
DonScott: The Dig....I remember playing that 15 years ago lol
The_Muh: old != bad
Sonicadvance1: I want TIM back
DonScott: Torchlight is pretty good.
Sonicadvance1: The Incredible Machine
Sonicadvance1: That was a great game
Sonicadvance1: ah, they updated the main page now to have mac information
Sonicadvance1: that's cool
DonScott: LOOM
DonScott: they have a lot of lucas arts oldies on there
Kano: michaellarabel: it is really stupid when you hit the 1 min edit limit because your server is overloaded...
Kano: cant you use at least a few min more?
The_Muh: i'm imaging thousands of linux-users on the streets of Bellevue near the valve studios singing "here we are now, entertain us..."
DonScott: LucasArts Adventure Pack only $10.00 for 4 games
somename: lmao
Sleepy_Coder: "Steam has been a service exclusively for PC users since we launched it in 2004. For the first time we and our partners are bringing it to another platform. It's been a ton of work, but the Mac is great for the same reason the PC is great - they are both open systems that let gamers and game developers be as close as possible."
Sleepy_Coder: lolwut.
Sonicadvance1: yes
Sonicadvance1: Windows AND OSX is open as hell
christian_lappy: like a safe
maligor: Sonicadvance1, very apt
Sleepy_Coder: Open like a 25-cent hooka
DonScott: Steam Play Indie Pack $20 for 5 games
Sonicadvance1: Windows like a safe, OSX more like a bike lock
Sonicadvance1: :D
maligor: Sonicadvance1, Kerberos keeps you in
Sleepy_Coder: OS X is more secure than Windows by far.
Kano: osx is maybe too open ;) at least the kernel is easyly fixable
Sonicadvance1: kerberos has an open port and it pisses me off
Sleepy_Coder: But they are so not open.
maligor: Sleepy_Coder, no, it isn't
Sleepy_Coder: Citations?
Sonicadvance1: nmap
Sonicadvance1: :P
maligor: windows nt security systems are quite good
Sleepy_Coder: I think I just choked a little
maligor: entirely upto par with macosx
NigeyUK: sorry did that just say windows is open ........
NigeyUK: i thought it was 1st april for april fools
maligor: Sleepy_Coder, then you perhaps are talking bs
Sleepy_Coder: I don't care enough to link you every problem found with Windows security. Mac OS X has a far better track record, though I would be inclined to think there are a lot of things that go unnoticed.
Sleepy_Coder: And Windows Firewall is a joke.
Sleepy_Coder:
maligor: uh?
maligor: yes, windows firewall is a joke, so is any firewall placed on the client
maligor: firewalls should be separated systems
Sleepy_Coder: Not for those reasons. Firewalls on clients is a great thing if easily-managed. Distribution of load <3
maligor: duh..
christian_lappy: stop os wars please
maligor: you really don't know what a firewall is
christian_lappy: or don't start :-)
Sleepy_Coder: Idiot.
christian_lappy: maligor: its from checkpoint, cisco, junier or iptanles
Sleepy_Coder: Cisco calls it access control lists.
maligor: christian_lappy, heh, manufacturer doesn't really doesn't have much to do with it
christian_lappy: maligor: i'm adminstrating firewalls for nearly 10 years nw :-)
maligor: or what filtering system is called
christian_lappy: maligor: so, trust me, i know what it ia
maligor: christian_lappy, that's just not the definition of firewall tho
christian_lappy: maligor: nah, but thos are the most well known vendors
The_Muh: firewall? use netbsd
The_Muh: u can use a toaster for this
maligor: you could make a entirely good firewall without buying a big brand
NigeyUK: dont nokia make some kickass hardware firewalls ?
maligor: it's just that the client firewalls are bs
christian_lappy: maligor: yeah, thats, right, but the cisco asas are retty cheap and work great
maligor: atleast calling them by the name 'firewall' is bs
maligor: since it's definately not the same thing
Sleepy_Coder: Client firewalls are entirely useful for deep-packet inspection.
Sleepy_Coder: Best not done on a gateway unless you have a multi-homed network.
Sleepy_Coder: In which case you could load-balance, so I guess that wouldn't be all that bad...
maligor: uhm.. firewalls are purpose setup systems
maligor: they have no other purpose than to filter packets
maligor: any other use is a bad idea for a firewall
Sleepy_Coder: Cost of equipment usually prevents me from segregrating firewalls from routers.
maligor: well, a firewall is a specialized router
Sleepy_Coder: iptables, ipchains, acls, pf, ..
maligor: any services on it is just ALWAYS a major security risk
Sleepy_Coder: Windows runs quite a lot of services ;p
Sleepy_Coder: giggles
Sleepy_Coder: TIME FOR TOAST
Sleepy_Coder: runs off
maligor: mm... let's hope they port Civilizations to linux with steam too ;P
plagu3: Woah that would be great!
maligor: atleast with civ4 it's probably a hopeless hope
maligor: it was ported to mac earlier which is why they have it on steam too now ... probably
plagu3: Ahh, ok. I thought that there only was a winversion before macsteam-release.
plagu3: But maybe there will be a linux version of Civ V ;) But I really don't think so...
monreal: "steamplay" is win+mac. this is enough proof for me that there will not be a linux steam
pioto: i read that steamplay is "on all supported platforms"
wasdude: but can't they say that steamplay = win+mac+linux?
monreal: so? would valve force companies to support any new platform valve wants to support?
monreal: or would they take away the steamplay badge from civ4?
wasdude: does it make sense they would advertise platforms they don't support? no
christian_lappy: wasdude: cause it isn't officilally announced yet ?
DonScott: nah not force ....but a lil pressure maybe.
meGenius: valve's games are enough for a lot of people
pioto: i think that valve's games are probably what get most people onto steam in the first place
ejackman_: so valve is supposed to officially confirm steam for Linux sometime soon?
pioto: and others just hope to ride on their coat tails
NigeyUK: valve wont force anyone to develop for linux, thats upto the devs, but my having a working native client they at least have the ability to distribute the game to linux users, and use the src engine.
NigeyUK: by*
monreal: ejackman_: no
RambJoe: notice how ALL the multi platform games a steam play?
wasdude: christian_lappy: exactly
meGenius: NigeyUK+1
NigeyUK: :)
meGenius: & that will encourage the devs to develop for linux
NigeyUK: exactly
RambJoe: so basically we will be able to have all the cross platform games on all OSs :D
NigeyUK: thats why it is such a huge deal
ejackman_: monreal: that isn't what the latest article on phoronix has led me to beleive
ejackman_: bummer
monreal: ejackman_: well, look at the "source"
meGenius: RambJoe: we hope the linux native steam client will open the linux gaming future
wasdude: i'll never be happy until i can play portal on my ipad
wasdude: :P
maligor: I think it's the only place to get civ4 for win&mac in one package tho
meGenius: apple is being a jerk
pioto: "
pioto: The first collection of Mac titles will demonstrate "Steam Play," which allows customers to purchase a game once and play it on all Steam supported platforms."
NigeyUK: Devs will have the ability to reach a larger audience = more sales = more money, simple as that, thats wha it's all about, valve have done the legwork so far, others just need to pull their finger out.
maligor: wasn't the port done by some other sw house
pioto: http://store.steampowered.com/news/3808/
pioto: that's the careful wording i was refering to
ejackman_: monreal: you mean I can't trust telegraph.co.uk?
monreal: that careful wording makes linux support so very unlikely
RambJoe: will ID games be on it?
RambJoe: i will definately buy the pack
NigeyUK: nah, read all of valves press releases, theyre all worded very very carefully, their as bad as apple lol
monreal: ejackman_: you can't really trust a "newspaper" that does not quote
maligor: yeah, I rather thought they might've just googled, hit phoronix's articles and drawn the conclusions
NigeyUK: there maybe a valid reason why they wont yet mention anything about linux, but the existence of the client files and the fact their continually updated does point to the linux client sometime soonish
ejackman_: damn you telegraph.co.uk
DonScott: they probably don't want linux stealing Mac's thunder just yet
NigeyUK: exactly
will: it seems that the phoronix channel is full of kids
NigeyUK: thatd piss off mr jobs aswell
DonScott: it's a marketing thing
monreal: so steam/mac basicly has portal, civ4, some 10+ years old lucas arts games most people own and play in scummvm as well as a lot of indie games most people own as well
will: you guys are still talking about Steam all the time
asraniel: well well.. phoronix was a little quick with that announcement..
maligor: will, what's the definition of an adult?
monreal: as always
NigeyUK: monreal, yup, but if you look on the steam site they are working on the major titles for mac aswell
monreal: sure, valve stuff
RambJoe: has anyone emailed gabe yet
maligor: will, you're deluding yourself if you think only people under 20 play computer games
maligor: it might've been true 20 years ago
monreal: but the torchlight devs for example have proven they have 0 interest in linux
Sonicadvance1: when was this?
maligor: monreal, you shouldn't think of it that way
maligor: monreal, it's a retail channel for commercial games
maligor: monreal, they provide a complete drm system
will: maligor: adults talk about works in progress (serious projects), kids about games (waste of time)
RambJoe: http://valvesoftware.com/company/people.html
DonScott: monreal.....once they see that linux's market share equals mac's then they might change thier mind.
maligor: will, heh, really
RambJoe: look at alfred reynolds
somename: yo.
RambJoe: He also does his best to maintain the Linux ports of our games.
maligor: will, what's the purpose of life?
NigeyUK: pmsl
will: maligor: you're right there's a lot of immature adults nowadays
NigeyUK: hi somename
somename: hi NigeyUK
monreal: RambJoe: that has been on the valve page like forever
will: maligor: there are not adult any more just major
RambJoe: oh
will: being major doesn't make people adult
maligor: will, amusing definition certainly
RambJoe: was it on the old valve site, i remember seeing it the day they brought the new one, but its still proof :P
maligor: will, but since life has no real meaning as such, what really is serious?
Sonicadvance1: Gaming: Serious business
somename: did valve said anything about the linux client yet?
maligor: adult is a legal definition
somename: -id +y
christian_lappy: michaellarabel: ?
Sonicadvance1: ah, Portal is done
Sonicadvance1: time to play@
christian_lappy: have fun
Sonicadvance1: -@ +!
will: maligor: your life maybe meaningless, not mine
maligor: loosing the inner child is a negative thing if you ask me
maligor: it means loosing your creative self
will: maligor: major is legal definition, adult is a behaviour definition
will: being major doesn't make you adult
maligor: shrugs
will: even people over 18 thinks they are adult
asraniel: i'm actually quite disapointed by phoronix. i'm not sure what took them to be so unprofessional and release that "linux steam release" news
maligor: asraniel, well... most of the news on phoronix tends to be on the same level
anders: did anyone link http://store.steampowered.com/freeportal/ yet?
anders: :P
somename: i downloaded portal
maligor: will, I don't really ever want to lose the child inside
somename: too bad that there is no native linux client yet. under wine it runs not very smooth
ejackman_: sadly they are just quoting from telegraph.co.uk and sevensidedcube.com in an attempt to report news before it happens in a chance to "break a story"
will: maligor: Kids don't want to be adult
maligor: will, and really.. the demographic for playing computer games constantly rises in age
will: they like to be ignorant
maligor: will, it's identical to movies
will: it's like leaving a dream
will: living*
maligor: heh
maligor: will, that's just human
will: it makes me think about peter pan
DonScott: .......
DonScott: dude your wierd
NigeyUK: pmsl
maligor: will, perhaps you've played the wrong games, eh
asraniel: i wouldn't be surpised if the telegraph posted the linux news because of the rumor phoronix started in the first place, then phoronix used that news to support that rumor
will: maligor: Life is not a game, it's real
maligor: will, I never said it was
dusty_fox: asraniel: that's what I'm thinking
maligor: will, life is the propagation of your seed
maligor: ie, supremely pointless in an intellectual sense
NigeyUK: then that would be unprofessional of the Telegraph for not checking the facts, i dont think theyd have published if they didnt have a reliable source
MPX: Either way, if it's false news
MPX: With the humble indie pack gaining over a million usd
MPX: It might spark Valve's interest with all that's going on within the linux community
MPX: All pr is good pr
NigeyUK: MPX how much did they raise in total?
maligor: what does that have to do with linux?
Kvisle: so ... "It's official" ... what's the source of such a statement?
Ivanovic: considering that another day brought the bundle anout 100,000$, this bundle is a really *great* success
MPX: in seven days they raised over a milliojn
dusty_fox: Kvisle: We don't really know. Telegraph said so, but they don't have a source
maligor: NigeyUK, they extended it, it's at 1.1M now
MPX: *,illion
MPX: geez dammit
NigeyUK: awsome :D
Kvisle: dusty_fox: so ... it's not official :P
MPX: Yeah
will: NigeyUK: You shouldn't trust anyone telling things without proof
dusty_fox: Kvisle: for now yeah :p
Ivanovic: $1,156,595
MPX: And guess what...those that gave most per user was linux users
MPX: http://www.wolfire.com/humble
Kvisle: bah, it's not ok to post news like that
MPX: I bought my pack today :D
Sir_Brizz: we know Steam for Linux is being worked on... what we don't know is if it will ever be released officially
somename: since we are talking about that humble thing: when will the other source codes be released?
Ivanovic: Sir_Brizz: exactly
Sir_Brizz: and until there is official word from Valve, we won't know
maligor: MPX, yeah, but it's of limited value
NigeyUK: Valve has also confirmed that it will make Steam available to Linux users in the coming months.
NigeyUK: not the valve confirmed bit
DonScott: e-mail gabe
maligor: there was the mention of source release if they hit 1M
Ivanovic: somename: i'd guess it is a case of "when they are ready!"
maligor: so, you might claim that the linux hippies just wanted the source
NigeyUK: theyd get their ass in court if that was published without a credible source
MPX: maligor, check the link
somename: Ivanovic: wow... i somehow expected that answer :P
Sir_Brizz: NigeyUK: no they wouldn't
maligor: MPX, think blender
will: NigeyUK: Steam is already available through Wine
MPX: maligor, I don't care much for politics ;) I like supporting devs that like supporting users :p
Ivanovic: somename: just read the top of the homepage, the sources for lugaru are already available
will: it doesn't mean Valve will port it natively
MPX: and if 500 000 usd out of that million has the same thought as me, it's all good
maligor: will, heh, are you just going to troll or what?
NigeyUK: will stfu you're giving me a dam headache dude!
somename: yeah i know. i am still waiting for gish and aquaria's source
Ivanovic: "Now it's our turn to give back. As of 5/11/10, Aquaria, Gish, Lugaru HD, and Penumbra Overture pledge to go open source. We are preparing the sources right now and will be releasing them ASAP. We spent last night preparing Lugaru and it is available now."
MPX: Either way, with the source released, I can't wait to see named games on ie: Haiku or Aros
Chicano: hi everyone
will: Valve could make Steam works on Wine & say "hey Steam works on Linux"
MPX: Will: Then they'd have to support wine
maligor: MPX, yeah... can't wait for valve to port steam to haiku
MPX: Either way is a good deal
Ivanovic: maligor: even if you claimed this, then they would have stopped buying after the announcement of the sources was made, right?
dusty_fox: is lugaru compile-able? Or does it need some voodoo IDE to compile?
will: Indeed
Sir_Brizz: MPX: no they wouldn't
MPX: maligor, I was talking about the Indie humble pack
Ivanovic: how does this cope with the additional 100,000$ after the million was reached and open sourcing was announced?
Ivanovic: ;)
NigeyUK: if they were refering to wine theyd not have to make a statement saying "within the cmin months" as its already available under wine
Sir_Brizz: but if Valve is going to release Steam for Linux officially, you can be sure it will be the native client that they've been working on
maligor: Ivanovic, the hippies want to show their gratitude
Sir_Brizz: NigeyUK: so where did Telegraph get their information?
will: NigeyUK: Steam is not officially supported through Wine
NigeyUK: ask them lol
MPX: As far as I know maligor , Hippies don't have cash
will: so in the next months it could
MPX: nor bank accounts :P
Ivanovic: maligor: if hippies showing gratitude means cash i'd guess the huge publishers will join in soon!
Sir_Brizz: I don't need to ask them. If they had a source, they would have said they have a source
Ivanovic: ;)
Sir_Brizz: they didn't, so the obvious assumption is that they don't have a source
maligor: heh
RambJoe: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/steam-mac-valve-half-life-portal,10408.html#xtor=RSS-181
RambJoe: wtf is this? :@
maligor: I wonder how major the 140k$ the game companies got is
dusty_fox: Sir_Brizz: sure they have a source - it's just "thin air" or "their ass" or something
somename: -50% for torchlight.. omfg!
maligor: never seen any income estimates on them
Sir_Brizz: dusty_fox: lol, or Phoronix
MPX: BTW: Gish, is one of the funniest games I've played in a while ;)
Chicano: has anybody noticed phoronix becoming nigh-unreachable?
somename: yeah
Ivanovic: somename: there was a -80% deal about a month ago...
Ivanovic: ;)
dusty_fox: MPX: is Gish the one with the blob?
MPX: Yep :)
Sir_Brizz: RambJoe: a retarded article by a complete poser?
somename: Ivanovic: damn...
dusty_fox: MPX: I can't pass the tutorial XD I can't jump high enough
RambJoe: lol i hope apple dont read it
MPX: You've got to time the jump
Ivanovic: maligor: i think i read somewhere that those 140k were more than gish made in the first year of its existing
maligor: RambJoe, tomshardward should be burned to ashes for even thinking about such things
dusty_fox: I guess I"ll have to try it again :)
MPX: After you jump, press space again when you see the blob "flatten" out on the ground
Ivanovic: was just some 110k in that time
MPX: kind of like bouncing a ball
maligor: Ivanovic, nice bonus then, heh
Ivanovic: i'd say it is a lot more than just a nice bonus
Ivanovic: it is a *great* deal for them
Sir_Brizz: anyone want to bet that Wolfgang Gruener is an apple fanboy and only works on apple computers?
dusty_fox: oh yeah, and Penumbra is actually part of a series? how good are the other games in the "franchise"?
maligor: dusty_fox, it's 3 parts
Sir_Brizz: dusty_fox: they are at least as good as the first
MPX: Don't know dusty_fox : I tried penumbra for the first time today
maligor: depends, they vary a bit on the balance of gameplay
Sleepy_Coder: Steam for Linux will help a lot of indie devs get the attention their games deserve like how World of Goo used to be before all the fandome :]
MPX: It was "scary"...but I wish the models were made more lifelike
maligor: penumbra's pretty old by now
Sleepy_Coder: Penumbra scared me mostly with sound :(
dusty_fox: I only played a few minutes of it. Walked through a blizzard, fell down a hole, stumbled in the dark a bit, and then gave up to try the other games in the pack :)
MPX: Well, I've just met that half dead dog
Sleepy_Coder: I quit playing before I saw any of the models.
will: Sleepy_Coder: Indies could port any shit from Linux to Windows
maligor: I'm sure Amnesia will be totally scary ;P
will: not vice-versa
maligor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEHPwAvrc_U
will: Indies don't need Steam for that
MPX: Aquaria was also pretty cool....good graphics and gameplay :)
Sleepy_Coder: They don't need it, but it will help.
Sleepy_Coder: (imo)
MPX: I just didn't like that bunny game
MPX: Way too unpolished
Sleepy_Coder: I thought it was from 1995 or something :p
will: In which way?
Sleepy_Coder: It was probably the Crysis of it's day XD
dusty_fox: MPX: it looks really rough. it is an indie game though...
maligor: will, how are you an expert on video games all of the sudden?
Sleepy_Coder: oh heh
Sleepy_Coder: came out 2005 >.>
Sleepy_Coder: i don't know them.
Sleepy_Coder: hides in a corner
maligor: well, it's a indie game
will: maligor: Because I'm aware that using "libre" software provide interoperability
maligor: top of the line 3d engines is mostly what they don't have
will: it's not difficult to see that
MPX: World of goo was also pretty cool :)
MPX: I hope this inspires more kids to port more games to linux :)
maligor: port to linux, become rich $$$$
MPX: Quite ironic isn't it ? :P
maligor: linux has huge growth atleast here
Megagun: http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/235/steamsucks.png
maligor: even during the recess there was craploads of open linux software devel jobs
somename: do you have a mac?
Megagun: no
maligor: that'd be amusing on linux :P
Ivanovic: IIRC case sensitiveness was/is an issue with the linux port, too (with the files available that is)
Ivanovic: with other words: looks like the coders are not used to taking care to using global variables and the likes to generate paths...
Ivanovic: ;)
maligor: not really a big problem
muedhive1: where is "here" maligor ?
maligor: if you really want case insensitive, you can just do it with directory searches
maligor: muedhive1, finland
MPX: I was beginning to wonder why the average mac buyer would buy an I7 powered mac.
Morten_: Is it true that valve have confirmed a steam client for linux?
Ivanovic: MPX: because!
MPX: Yes, and they promised us heavens, cookies and kittens too!
Sleepy_Coder: Is the Mac-Steam only on the Intel Macs?
Sleepy_Coder: cannot recall
NigeyUK: yeah intel mac only
MPX: Yes, I believe so
Sleepy_Coder: only available for the Intel Macs*
Sleepy_Coder: okey dokie
Sleepy_Coder: Was thinking I could pop out my Powerbook G4 from 2005 and try it
dusty_fox: Morten_: no, we don't have any official confirmation yet
NigeyUK: lol was gonna try it on my G5 ppc but saw the intel only bit last week :(
Sleepy_Coder: Also means my dad's Mac can't play it...
Sleepy_Coder: We don't have any of the newer Macs :\
dusty_fox: NigeyUK: Yeah I don't think they're going to port it to PPC :p
DonScott: they are pricey
NigeyUK: def not lol
Morten_: dusty_fox, okay :)
meGenius: AMD RULES :P
maligor: ~\o/~ AMD ~\o/~
RambJoe: htc are sueing apple :D
Sir_Gallantmon: W00T
Sir_Gallantmon: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=14924
maligor: RambJoe, over what?
MPX: I love my cup of AMD in the mornin
RambJoe: http://gizmodo.com/5537316/htc-sues-apple-right-back-over-five-little-patents
dusty_fox: I like AMD because of 1)Cheapness, and 2)True quad core, but I guess that's a moot-point with nahelem out
Sir_Gallantmon: wishes he had a cup of AMD
clueless247: ok
RambJoe: asking the ITC to ban the import and sale of all iPhones, iPods and iPads in the US. UPDATED. :|
michaellarabel: Is the site loading any better yet?
Sir_Gallantmon: no
Sir_Gallantmon: I can't even load the site half the time
ChemBro: no
dusty_fox: what does a cup of AMD taste like? silicon?
Sir_Gallantmon: it took four refreshes to get the main page
Sleepy_Coder: AMD usually runs cooler and at lower TDPs... had better experiences with virtualization maybe
Sir_Gallantmon: and five to get to the article I wanted to read
maligor: RambJoe, that'd be amusing if it was granted
MPX: I only get 40 c on full load....300 fsb x 12.5 multiplier @ 955 BE (With Air! V10 cooler)
MPX: Omg...I just got the cheesiest sentence in my head
MPX: Now that's power...Superpower
MPX: (Nintendo reference anyone? )
maligor: V10?
MPX: Yep :)
maligor: oh.. that's big
Sir_Gallantmon: when was the last time a tier-1 game was released to Linux?
MPX: http://xtreview.com/images/Cooler%20Master%20%20V8%20-%20V10%2002.jpg
Sir_Gallantmon: 2001?
Sir_Gallantmon: 2004?
DonScott: never ?
dusty_fox: tier 1 meaning?
dusty_fox: the huge, over-advertised games?
MPX: Yep
Sir_Gallantmon: AAA, huge company games
dusty_fox: Does quake wars count?
Sir_Gallantmon: those are tier-1
Sir_Gallantmon: I dunno
wasdude: last one I can think of was RtCW: ET
maligor: yeah, quake wars is certainly tier-1
dusty_fox: Quake Wars is okay.
Sleepy_Coder: (22:29:18) < MPX> http://xtreview.com/images/Cooler%20Master%20%20V8%20-%20V10%2002.jpg <-- JESUS CHRIST IT"SA LION
dusty_fox: That's the last one I can think of
monreal: qw.. before that, q4?
Arcanoxer: quake wars is awesome
Sleepy_Coder: I don't even use an intake fan on my computer
kloplop321: Woo @ validation
riisen: evony xD
markatto: ET:QW was tier-1
dusty_fox: I wish the community was bigger though
Sleepy_Coder: It was too loud so I took it off. CPU still runs under 55C at full load.
Sleepy_Coder: <3 Intel
dusty_fox: Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory has a bigger community (i like that game too)
MPX: Sleepy_Coder, it's bigger then it looks
markatto: ET:QW was what, '07?
Sleepy_Coder: is crushed under the weight
meGenius: Envizions sent me an email saying that the beta of gamebox is being released
wasdude: Americas Army ...
maligor: Sleepy_Coder, get a better case, mhm
meGenius: http://www.gameboxbeta.com/
dusty_fox: markatto: something like that
Sleepy_Coder: maligor: hmm?
dusty_fox: it released close to TF2, i think
maligor: Sleepy_Coder, decent cases have atleast 120mm intake fans ;P
Meinlein: where are the screen shots of steam on linux coming from? Is there a repo available to pull the (understandably non-working) beta client from?
markatto: man, website is still downm
Sleepy_Coder: maligor: I took mine off because it started dying on me, then I realized it wasn't even needed :}
maligor: Meinlein, yeah, from valve
Arcanoxer: ther is no stroyent and jetpack in TF2 /:
Sleepy_Coder: wants a Xonotic release :<
Sleepy_Coder: The models they made already look nicer than the standard nexuiz models.
dusty_fox: yeah :p none of the cool I'M ATTACKING and I DON'T CARE, etc., sound clips either
Meinlein: Maligor - ok so I assume you mean the screen shots are coming out of valve, and that there is no public repo to pull from?
Sleepy_Coder: (for players)
MPX: I need the v10 to get the 7 second bootup time :p
Sleepy_Coder: v10? ;o
maligor: Meinlein, no, the screenshots are from mastertheknife's hacked version
dusty_fox: Meinlein: the screenshots aren't from valve, they're from linux users pulling the steam linux binaries off of the valve public servers and then hacking them to get them to run
dusty_fox: malignor beat me :p
maligor: Meinlein, it's very buggy, so there's some binary patches that fix things, heh
maligor: personally I find it odd that anyone would bother but...
meGenius: http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/12/amds-vision-the-chip-race-is-finally-over/
Meinlein: excellent - ok thank you - I wasn't interested in dabbling with it until I saw that it's updating
gitano: yarrrr
gitano: mac, at least :)
maligor: meGenius, AMD Fusion is the thing that'll be big for amd, heh
Meinlein: eager for it though as I'm sure the rest of you all are too
meGenius: maligor: i'm dying for that :D
maligor: it's also the only thing amd has over both nvidia, and intel
Sleepy_Coder: I will be so happy the day AMD finally gets manufacturers to put out HyperTransport 3.1 motherboards.
meGenius: maligor: i'm watching the vedio in their page between times :P
meGenius: vedio*
maligor: personally I can't wait for fusion because it'll be interesting in terms of latencies
MPX: I can't wait to see somebody hacking the chat portion on the steam client to C64 :D
maligor: especially if they can stuff fast enough gpu on the core
MPX: Remember the C64 twitter client? :D
maligor: you'd have 0 latency capable gpgpu
maligor: pcie has dreadful latency on the other hand
meGenius: fusion deadline is not set yet
maligor: well..dreadful latency in relative terms anyway
meGenius: which means we don't know when to see it in real action
meGenius: in fact, i'm really thinking of building a 6000 workstation based on AMD Opteron 6000
maligor: yeah, fusion probably has heat issues
meGenius: $6000*
maligor: among other stuff
DonScott: liquid nitrogen cures all heat issues
maligor: haven't seen any opteron 6000 series here
maligor: how much do the cpu's cost?
DonScott: although....it is a bit dangerous
MPX: Quake wars looks fun. Does it require a serial for online play?
meGenius: just a minute
maligor: MPX, ofcourse it does
maligor: MPX, it's a multiplayer game
MPX: Can I buy it online?
MPX: I've never heard of it until now
maligor: dunno...
sado1: MPX, you can play the demo in multiplayer mode
monreal: quake wars is on steam :P
maligor: the steam version might be difficult to get to work in linux
wasdude: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/etqw/
Kano: maligor: why? the data files will be definitely the same
sado1: but it's probably going to have even less people on servers than retail version, so don't be surprised if you'll meet just bots in the demo
gitano: MPX: ya, needs serial for online play, works for win, mac und linux
meGenius: maligor: http://www.google.com/products?q=AMD+opteron+6176&aq=f
Kano: you have to fetch the serial out of it however...
gitano: mac port (by aspyr) needs a seperate buy, though...
MPX: I'm checking it out :) Thanks :)
meGenius: this is the high-end AMD Opteron 6000 series processors
sado1: on retail there's still plenty of people available, I'm playing qw from time to time
michaellarabel: Can anyone with a failing connection send a traceroute to michael@phoronix.com
Gnurdux: michaellarabel, i'm a little worried abotu the claim that it's official
Gnurdux: it doesn't seem to be in Valve's press release
Gnurdux: i'm inclined so say that those sites might have taken the cool shit this channel is doing as confirmation
michaellarabel: Gnurdux: I have it verified through my sources but will talk more about that later. First and foremost right now I am concerned with clearing up this server problem. Could anyone that's having connection problems please send traceroutes to michael [at] phoronix.com
Wicked: some news sites have claimed valve told them its offical and that valve is gonna make an announcement
maligor: Kano, I said might
Wicked: michaellarabel, the site loaded super slow for me..but did load
Wicked: would you still like a traceroute?
Gnurdux: i'm having intermittent problems, but I assumed it was just busy because of the Valve announcement
somename: http://www.imagebanana.com/img/fjy891ig/worldofgoobug.png
michaellarabel: Wicked: if you can get a slow traceroute, that's good too
somename: see what i have done
MPX: I feel pretty dumb
somename: on world of goo
Kame: michaellarabel: running one now, the site will sometimes load and sometimes won't
michaellarabel: The server issue is nothing to do with Steam announcement.
Wicked: michaellarabel, ok ill run one now
MPX: I can't find a demo for enemy territory on the activision site
MPX: the download button is greyed out
Gnurdux: http://pastebin.com/qismUFbh
Wicked: MPX, google "idsoft zerowing"
wasdude: took a long time but finally loaded
Wicked: its there torrent tracker with all the et downloads
NigeyUK: http://ftp.jeuxlinux.fr/files/
NigeyUK: its in there
DonScott: yeah i don't see the demo either
Wicked: MPX, i stand corrected. they have since removed the tracker :(
MPX: Thanks :) :)
MPX: That's okay :) Downloading now
NigeyUK: http://ftp.jeuxlinux.fr/files/ETQW-demo2-client-full.r1.x86.run
NigeyUK: whoever wanted QW
MPX: Does it support dedicated servers? I don't want it to run out of official servers
NigeyUK: yeah
MPX: Nice :)
NigeyUK: server links there to
NigeyUK: setup a server, and get a few peeps to join from here :P
michaellarabel: ChemBro: What is your traceroute time usually like for Phoronix server?
ChemBro: that i cannot say at the moment, but by far faster
DonScott: I don't remember ....does ETQW have mic support ?
NigeyUK: michaellarabel, ive done a trace, and its all fine except hop 10 i'll email it
NigeyUK: 9 tele-ic-2-as0-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.253.184.6) 31.839 ms 32.073 ms 32.328 ms
NigeyUK: 10 * * *
MPX: According to the youtube video's I've seen, yes, DonScott
Wicked: michaellarabel, sent a email to you
DonScott: k
DonScott: cool
maligor: DonScott, yeah, I think it it did
maligor: not sure what would happen if I try to start etqw now
kettuz: michaellarabel, I sent an email too
maligor: since I have r600 opensource drivers
Ivanovic: maligor: most likely it will simply not run
Ivanovic: though i have not tested etqw so far myself
maligor: Ivanovic, ah! I shall prove you wrong!
Wicked: though the site seems to be loading better now
michaellarabel: hmm no more emails yet
MPX: fglxr not working for you?
maligor: Ivanovic, technically it did run
MPX: fglrx*
michaellarabel: any of the last couple of people, can you resend the emails?
maligor: Ivanovic, it however segfaulted when I tried to start a game. the menu did show
maligor: MPX, works fine
Wicked: michaellarabel, sute.
Wicked: *sure
maligor: MPX, I just have chosen not to use it
MPX: Ah, I see
NigeyUK: mail sent michael
kettuz: here too michaellarabel
Wicked: same here
Sleepy_Coder: "At the QuakeCon 2009, Carmack said that he planned to petition Zenimax to release the id Tech 4 source upon the release of Rage (expected in 2010)."
Sleepy_Coder: wanty
Kano: well most likely 2011
Sleepy_Coder: Both the engine source and Rage which would be using id Tech 5
maligor: I wonder if that includes megatexture
Sleepy_Coder: yes :3
MPX: Anybody else but me loving supertuxkart btw?
Sleepy_Coder: Though they've improved on megatexture and ti's called something very different in id tech 5...
Kano: i think he has got already ideas for id tech 6
maligor: I mean if id tech 4 includes megatexture
Kano: with dynamic lightning
Sleepy_Coder: It's called Virtual Texturing for the improved one...
Sleepy_Coder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MegaTexture#Virtual_Texturing
Kano: maligor: when you ask wikipedia then yes
somename: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_%28content_delivery%29#Linux_rumours
michaellarabel: FWIW while I still debug server problems, but an email that doesn't really mean much, but:
michaellarabel: See the penguin http://media.steampowered.com/apps/mac/MacSteam_AlfredJasonGabe.jpg Danlaph
somename: actually, thats from madagascar
NoobFukaire: anyone know what the source is for steam+source games coming to linux?
Ivanovic: NoobFukaire: jesus!
Megagun: http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/Steam-Heats-Up-Gaming-for-Mac-Users-69979.html Doesn't list sources though, so they might've gotten the Linux bit from Phoronix.
Flyser_mobile: NoobFukaire: read the article. the links are listed there
Ivanovic: yes, those links are *all* sources available
Ivanovic: (there is a reason for the part about stuff from valve still expected and the likes)
Sleepy_Coder: http://ftp.jeuxlinux.fr/video_ogg/Rage.ogg wanty wanty
michaellarabel: anyone else with failing traceroutes?
MPX: Question is : Where did phoronix get THEIR linux bits :O
MPX: Conspiracies, commence
NoobFukaire: there's a link to runic's website and ea
NoobFukaire: what link am I missing that's a source to the linux rumor?
NoobFukaire: let me check the phoronix article again, I was talking about the above link
DonScott: ETQW is asking me where it should be installed...... /home/ ???
NigeyUK: chuck it in home or /usr/local/games/
Kano: btw. if somebody wants to extract dmg on linux just try 7zip with wine
The_Muh: someone speaked with gabe? could be interesting
DonScott: k
DonScott: punkbuster doesn't like me....
Nushio: reads topic
Nushio: cries
a35441: how are gonna macfags play portal with only one mouse button?
MPX: Easy
Nushio: they buy a real man's mouse
MPX: Two magical mouse's
NoobFukaire: macs have been coming with multi button support for a while
MPX: One for the left hand and one for the right
Sonicadvance1: wow
MPX: User yer toes to move around
Sonicadvance1: racism
NigeyUK: ah yeah dont install punkbuster
Sonicadvance1: Quite common in the computer world
Nushio: is it possible to download mac's portal and use that on linux somehow? :P
Kame: Sonicadvance1: racism?
Sonicadvance1: indeed
Sonicadvance1: Racism
MPX: Somebody doesn't know what racism is?
a35441: im 12 and what0s this?
Kame: But I don't see any racism...
MPX: Unless, every macfag was of one color only
MPX: THEN it would be racism
DonScott: says file creation failed with or without punkbuster and it exits.....
DonScott: how rude
NoobFukaire: okay
NoobFukaire: so in the phoronix article, it talks about the "official" linux steam announcement and links back to articles where phoronix was speculating there might be a linux release
Gnurdux: NoobFukaire, wrong
somename: still no official announcement by valve?
Gnurdux: it mostly links to mainstreamish media articles
Gnurdux: that say linux steam is being released
Gnurdux: however valve has not officially released any announcement
Gnurdux: so the word "official" is premature imo
somename: the chances are very good that they will release a linux client
Gnurdux: apparently michaellarabel and others got confirmation from their sources at Valve
Kano: well you can not say linux beta currently ;)
NigeyUK: DonScott, running it fine here without punkbuster
The_Muh: linux beta of steam? lol... is a pre-alpha...
The_Muh: imho
NigeyUK: if that..lol
NigeyUK: proof of concept maybe...
Wicked: yea poc is more like it
The_Muh: imho steam should use GTK
The_Muh: or qt
NoobFukaire: I'm not really a huge fan of the new steam
michaellarabel: anyone with anymore failing traceroutes?
NoobFukaire: it works fine but I don't like the aesthetics
NeoX: is it may 12 yet
Kano: michaellarabel: traceroute does not fail, but the forum is overloaded
Kano: most likely you have to increase my.cnf settings
Sir_Brizz: I like the new steam :p
MPX: LOL
MPX: In enemy territory (quake)
MPX: the game runs smoothly at 1920x1080
MPX: but the sound is lagging behind by 20 seconds
Kano: try different sound server
Kano: And for everybody, Portal is free from today until the 24th.
Kano: thats nice
Kano: everybody can play portal
MPX: Hmmm, where did I do that again?
NoobFukaire: if you're on linux, it's probably due to pulseaudio
Sir_Brizz: is it free or just free to play?
NoobFukaire: I play quake wars on linux, works great
Kano: everybody can play
Sleepy_Coder: would prefer Steam just using the window manager's window decoration, if they can't at least use a more traditional gui toolkit :(
Sir_Brizz: they won't
Sir_Brizz: they will use VGUI
Sleepy_Coder: Of course they won't.
Sleepy_Coder: VGUI?
Sir_Brizz: yeah it's their proprietary windowing system
Sleepy_Coder: funkeh
eXlin: Well, it is not first time when valve allows some playitime throught steam
Sir_Brizz: they use it on Windows and Mac as well
MPX: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/575371
MPX: if anybody else is getting it
eXlin: there has been mw2 free weekends too
eXlin: couple of times actually...
eXlin: and naturally you cant play after time has exeeded unless you pay
somename: lol... until downloading cod mw2 is finished, the free-weekend is already over
Kano: MPX: kanotix has definitely no sound problems
MPX: ?
Kano: MPX: you use the wrong distro ;)
MPX: Wrong for you, right for me :)
NeoX: FREE PORTAL
NeoX: YESSS
somename: they just give away portal to test the peoples machines
somename: my theory
kloplop321: portal is free now?
NeoX: when will it be released on linux
gitano: too bad i already paid for it :p
kloplop321: oh, awesome. I love portal.
Kano: gitano: well you can play it on the 25th too then ;)
gitano: bought the valve complerte pack in anticiaption of the mac release, heh
NigeyUK: weird in ETQW its making me walk left automatically :|
gitano: Kano: ah, is it time limited?
Kano: sure
gitano: ok ;)
kloplop321: is waiting until linux is out before he gets even a steam id
gitano: was already wondering, yeah, testing issues, then
somename: somebody got experience in quantum physics here?
kloplop321: would like to know quantum physics
NigeyUK: hm wonder if it was the ch pro pedals doing it
gitano: kloplop321: linux is out already. since 1991.
gitano: :P
NigeyUK: lol
kloplop321: _the client_
gitano: ;) i knw, buddy
kloplop321: I use OpenSuse
gitano: had his resentiments against valve as well in the past
gitano: but hey
somename: cmon valve... we need an announcement
somename: and a clown holding cheese.
gitano: that they too at least that one step away from the windoze crowd towards other platforms
gitano: been waiting 5 years for that, heh
d2kx: 20mins until my birthday... today has been a great warmup ^^
somename: ask valve to give you the linux client as present
d2kx: haha
gitano: :) sure they'll do that
d2kx: i send a mail to gabe newell
mattgirv: I had Gabe Newell on my Steam friend list for a while
mattgirv: lol
DarkDefender: He'll be like: Meh, what ever! Here have the source code!
dusty_fox: DarkDefender: lol that would be nice
SimmyD: so the mac client has been released
SimmyD: now they can forget about that junk and get the linux one working >_<
DonScott: just e-mail Gabe and ask about it......that's what i did like 20 mins ago.
SimmyD: tourchlight has got a boost of sales due to the mac avali think :P
DonScott: arg.....no Linux Action Show this week boooooo.
SimmyD: DonScott: yea i know
dusty_fox: torchlight is only $9.99 right now too
SimmyD: bloody mothers day
DonScott: and Iron Man 2
DonScott: ET:QW works well .....I blame pulse audio for the sound messing up though.
DonScott: I fire my gun....no cool gun sound effect....sigh
SimmyD: do people still play that?
SimmyD: if os i might have to give it a go
SimmyD: lol
DonScott: yeah
d2kx: Your message was sent successfully. Thank you for sending mail to Valve.
somename: what mail?
dusty_fox: DonScott: use padsp to launch the game, and tell the game itself to use OSS instead of alsa
d2kx: i told you i will send a mail to gabe newell
somename: isnt he a microsoft-fanboi?
kloplop321: the mailman doesn't come until tomorrow!
MPX: Please explain more dusty_fox :)
dusty_fox: um, hmmm let's see
dusty_fox: in /home//.etqwcl/base/etqwconfig.cfg, there's a line that says "seta s_driver "alsa" or something like that
dusty_fox: change it to "seta s_driver "oss""
dusty_fox: I've only tried padsp with zsnes, but it worked, so maybe it'll work with quake wars?
The_Muh: d2kx: what did you write to valve?
dusty_fox: So you would launch it with 'padsp /etqw'
The_Muh: ("did ... write" is correct...or?)
Sleepy_Coder: Happy birthday d2kx :o
dusty_fox: ALSA in quake wars is really laggy
d2kx: The_Muh: it wont be of importance when he wont reply
d2kx: Sleepy_Coder thank you :-)
Sleepy_Coder: :}
dusty_fox: and I've got OSS stuff to work with pulseaudio in the past by using padsp
Gnurdux: yeah i recommend that as many people as possible wait till Steam is released for linux, then get an account the day it comes out
Gnurdux: that will help send a pretty unambiguous message
DarkDefender: what if i already have one? :<
Nevtus: DarkDefender: you'd login and play some games then
DarkDefender: :D
d2kx: take part in the hardware survey when the linux client is out, that will do. dunno if they can see what os people are using even without the survey
SimmyD: i already have one with heaps of games on it. buuuut i will buy as much as i can when it comes out :D
d2kx: if you already have accounts make sure you register the free portal
Nevtus: I'd consider picking up the Left 4 Dead games if it came out
The_Muh: < is owner of an orange box
SimmyD: has their been any updates ofr the past 12 hours to the client?
The_Muh: so... cant use the free portal =(
Nevtus: I already own the orange box too
The_Muh: is eating cake
Nevtus: you want free portal when you already own portal?
The_Muh: (rly!)
The_Muh: because its free
The_Muh: free == better (look at linux)
d2kx: i am owner of pretty much all valve games, but maybe other people arent
dusty_fox: If I buy torchlight over steam, do I get access to the multiplayer component for free once it is finished?
dusty_fox: anyone know? :) bueller? bueller?
SimmyD: Following the single player release, work will commence on a fully-featured MMO version.
SimmyD: i would say it would be seperate
dusty_fox: damn. I thought I heard that we'd get it for free once it was out. wishful thinking, i guess
SimmyD: being a mmo i would say it would be a subscription ;)
dusty_fox: yeah ;) but i guess the single player game alone for $10 is worth it, right?
Modplan: did steam copy the humble indie bundle?
Modplan: http://store.steampowered.com/sub/4326/
Nevtus: MMOs need lots of money to implement /dance
dusty_fox: Modplan: it's not free though :P
dusty_fox: wait, replace "free" with "pay what you want"
Modplan: dusty_fox: true. Just struck me as very similar
dusty_fox: yeah, looks like they were "inspired" by it
SimmyD: Steam Client for Mac Launches, Linux Client On the Way on Wednesday May 12, @03:15PM
SimmyD: good old /.
Modplan: more games than I'd expected on mac
NigeyUK: oo nvidia updates for lucid
dusty_fox: they don't even mention that there's no official confirmation for linux yet
x-pilot: Modplan: yeah, same thought
SimmyD: The released Linux client should be available by the end of summer.
SimmyD: hahahaha
SimmyD: wtf
Modplan: methinks there was a little rush by some devs/pubs for launch
Nevtus: dusty_fox: I was expecting someone to bring it up in the comments but no one did
rektide: what kernel is Lucid?
dusty_fox: Nevtus: me too
rektide: i want nv on 2.6.33. :V
Modplan: rektide 2.6.32
dusty_fox: rektide: you want nv? o_o
dusty_fox: in god's name why??
rektide: dusty_fox: um yeah? i like having performant opengl?
The_Muh: nouveau is crap
The_Muh: cant play penumbra
rektide: nv binary
The_Muh: and gish runs very slowly
dusty_fox: rektide: you mean nvidia? nv is the 2D only open-source driver
rektide: take your technicality and shove it
rektide: :) :) :)
dusty_fox: hahaha :p
The_Muh: and why you dont have the newest kernel?
Nevtus: you'd have to use the closed drivers for Steam if it came
NigeyUK: lmao
SimmyD: Nevtus: When ;)
Nevtus: the linux video drivers are pretty great, never had a problem with them running 3D apps or having any graphical glitches
Nevtus: *linux nvidia
Modplan: lol steams free portal page doesn't work
Modplan: Steam for mac: launching in style!
dusty_fox: Nevtus: the current ones are pretty good, but the old ones (like 176.*.*) were horrible with 8 series and up
Nevtus: I dislike all this "Mac & PC" nonsense all over Steam, I hate it when people use PC as a term meaning Windows
Sir_Brizz: http://store.steampowered.com/news/3818/
Sir_Brizz: who the heck are those guys?
Sir_Brizz: other than gabe of course
Nevtus: lol ipad
Nevtus: wait a minute
Sir_Brizz: oh
Nevtus: there is a penguin on the desk
Sir_Brizz: that's Alfred Reynolds
The_Muh: i want the companion-cubes oO
dusty_fox: Nevtus: I know, it should be PC & PC, or Mac & Windows
Sir_Brizz: and probably Jason Holtman
dusty_fox: GASP there is a penguin!!
Modplan: Sir_Brizz jos groupies
Nevtus: dusty_fox: STEAM ON LINUX CONFIRMED
dusty_fox: QUICK SOMEONE TELL PHORONIX
The_Muh: where is a tux?
Nevtus: heh
NeoX: yea
NeoX: just confirmed
Nevtus: it's not really a tux, but it's a penguin
NeoX: read it
The_Muh: thats a guy from madagascar
NigeyUK: ew a mac mini
Nevtus: don't ruin it The_Muh
NeoX: The_Muh, SMILE AND WAVE BOYS
The_Muh: xD
The_Muh: lächeln und winken männer...
Sir_Brizz: I was hoping there would be like a "Steeam for Linux" icon on the desktop or something
NeoX: I have that same penguin on my desk
Sir_Brizz: like a tiny hint at linux steam
dusty_fox: are they in australia?
Modplan: dude on the left looks like he's crazy
The_Muh: maybe this pingu is a hint for linux
redeeman: ofc then the question comes, will they only do steam as 32bit x86 or x86_64 aswell?
NigeyUK: tell me thats not an ipad gabe is holding
Nevtus: it's not the right penguin, but maybe a tux would be too obvious
Nevtus: NigeyUK: it's a ipad
Kano: redeeman: 64 bit for games does not speed em up
dusty_fox: redeeman: probably only 32bit
NigeyUK: god-dammit gabe
NeoX: my penguin is just here for the lulz
Kano: did you compare unigine
redeeman: Kano: so what, some people run a 64bit only profile
DonScott: i told you Valve likes to hide easter eggs everywhere.
Kano: redeeman: then they dont play steam, so what ;)
Sir_Brizz: the real question is, did Gabe pay for his iPad or did Apple give it to him for free?
NigeyUK: he had it free
The_Muh: what's that between the ipod / iphone and the white cube?
The_Muh: this black hing
Nevtus: he stole it off Steve Jobs
Modplan: is there any wiggle room to claim that the desktop on the left is in fact just customised gnome/ubuntu?
Modplan: MICHAEL ITS REAL CONFIRMATION
Sir_Brizz: The_Muh: indeed that also looks like a penguin
The_Muh: never
The_Muh: looks like a mutant-crow
Sir_Brizz: holding a gun or something
Nevtus: Modplan: sure, why not. CONFIRMED x3 NOW!
Sir_Brizz: a penguin pointing a gun at a mac mini
Sir_Brizz: holding it hostage
Megagun: penguin: http://aliceteh.com/photos/Madagascar_Penguin.jpg
The_Muh: lol
Nevtus: what are the chances of two penguin toys on the same desk. I smell conspiracy
The_Muh: and the little green and fuzzy ball?
Sir_Brizz: well we already know Alfred is a fan of Linux
dusty_fox: i'm voting for "mutant crow" instead of penguin, for the second one
Sir_Brizz: it says as much in his Valve People profile
Modplan: GABE IS FAT LIKE A PENGUIN STEAM CONFIRMED
dusty_fox: lol
The_Muh: lol
Megagun: THEY ARE USING FIREFOX AND AD BLOCK PLUS, STEAM ON LINUX CONFIRMED
The_Muh: the GlaDOS-poster is nice
Nevtus: THEY ARE USING COMPUTERS. LINUX CONFIRMED
Sir_Brizz: lol
Modplan: MEGAGUN: ZOMG XOMG ZOMG
dusty_fox: THEY ARE USING STEAM. STEAM ON A COMPUTER CONFIRMED oh wait...
Modplan: STEAM USES FREEBSD WHICH IS POSIX COMPLIANT LIKE LINUX
Modplan: CONFIRMED
Modplan: *MAC
Sir_Brizz: lol
dusty_fox: in soviet russia, steam confirms you
d2kx: lol
The_Muh: lol
DonScott: lol yeah
Nevtus: no you were right the first time. FREEBSD STEAM ON THE WAY
DarkDefender: XD
Sir_Brizz: DELL MONITORS NOT APPLE CINEMAS STEAM FOR LINUX IS CONFIRMED
Megagun: GUY ON LEFT IS USING LEFTY-MOUSE, STEAM ON LINUX (HENCE THE L FOR LEFT) CONFIRMED
Sir_Brizz: lol
Modplan: guys we shouldn't be doing this valve might not like it and cancel steam altogether
The_Muh: lol
Sir_Brizz: rofl
Megagun: SCREEN ON THE RIGHT IS TURNED 90 DEGREES TO THE L, HENCE LINUX STEAM CONFIRMED
Megagun: GABE IS TURNING THE IPAD TO THE LEFT -> STEAM ON LINUX CONFIRMED
Modplan: OH NO NOW IM EXCITED AGAIN
Sir_Brizz: yes we cannot joke about this situation or Valve might catch on and cancel Steam for Linux!
Nevtus: Modplan: but we are cracking the da vinci code
rektide: TI is definitely not going to like that
Sir_Brizz: there are 4 weighted companion cubes and four flavors of linux linux is confirmed everybody
Megagun: 2 OUT OF 3 FLAMES ON THE DUDES SHIRT POINTING TO THE LEFT -> STEAM ON LINUX CONFIRMED
dusty_fox: we'll just give phoronix more ideas for misleading articles >>
Nevtus: Gabe is actually Linus in a mansuit
Sir_Brizz: ALTECL LANSING SPEAKER L FOR LINUX
Megagun: STEAM WINDOW IS ON 'LIBRARY' -> STEAM FOR LINUX CONFIRMED
Nevtus: dusty_fox: I'd love to see a phoronix article on the toy penguins
Modplan: AUSTRALIA HAS AN L IN IT AND IS FULL OF CONVICTS AND *bails out of reiserfs joke*
dusty_fox: IPHONE ON DESK. STEAM ON IPHONE CONFIRMED
Megagun: OSX DOCK IS ON THE LEFT -> STEAM ON LINUX CONFIRMED
Megagun: haha
Sir_Brizz: HE HAS TWO ALLEN WRENCHES POSITIONED LIKE THE LETTER L STEAM FOR LINUX IS CONFIRMED
Megagun: haha
Oddbio: Megagun: aww u beat me to it, I'm so excited I wanted to shout it in here
Sir_Brizz: HIS ARM IS ANGLED KIND OF LIKE AN L!
Modplan: should make a "steam confirmed for linux" wiki
Sir_Brizz: we should post all these things on Steam forums lol
dusty_fox: Modplan: lol yes
Sir_Brizz: HE IS STARING AT THE CAMERA LIKE HE'S THINKING ABOUT STEAM ON LINUX CONFIRMED
The_Muh: lol
dusty_fox: oh shit, time for a final. I'm off to school >>
The_Muh: gabe is smilin[g/ux]...
DonScott: the penguin is a lie
Megagun: FLAG OF AUSTRALIA HAS TOP-LEFT LOOKING LIKE THE UK FLAG -> UK = LIMEY -> STEAM ON LINUX CONFIRMED
Modplan: am gonna collect a few of these and do a big post in the linux steam thread
Sir_Brizz: rofl
The_Muh: the test-chamber is white... like ice... like the antarctis - and there living penguins!!
Sir_Brizz: Modplan: do it
Nevtus: Modplan: send it all to Gabe. it'd be epic
The_Muh: lol
Sir_Brizz: Quick! Somebody start an internet petition
Modplan: damn empathy autoscrolls down when a new post is made
Megagun: GABE IS FAT LIKE A PENGUIN? ;)
Modplan: GABE WEARS PENGUIN COSTUMES IN BED
Nevtus: who doesn't?
Modplan: true...
Modplan: CONFIRMED
DonScott: lol
The_Muh: gaben@valvesoftware.com
Megagun: ON THE OSX DOCK ON THE MACBOOK THERE IS AN ICON FOR THE TERMINAL -> STEAM ON LINUX CONFIRMED
The_Muh: here... send it all
Modplan: will do, just collecting em
The_Muh: rly?
The_Muh: wtf xD
Arcanoxer: later *log*
Modplan: gonna post in forum thread, not sure about sending to gabe
Nevtus: just post it on the forum
The_Muh: send it to gabe =9
The_Muh: *)
Sir_Brizz: send it to Alfred Reynolds
Megagun: GABE HAS A RED T-SHIRT ON. RED AS IN RED HAT -> STEAM ON LINUX CONFIRMED
The_Muh: make a distri and call it "red shirt" lik
The_Muh: *lol
Nevtus: wait a minute
Nevtus: "but the Mac is great for the same reason the PC is great - they are both open systems that let gamers and game developers be as close as possible."
Megagun: THERE IS A BLACK MESA MUG ON THE TABLE. MESA AS IN MESA3D -> STEAM ON LINUX CONFIRMED
The_Muh: whats about the coala?
The_Muh: *k
The_Muh: Nevtus: sounds like a misssing part like these: "But linux is the most open plattform and we're going to support it"
The_Muh: s/plattform/system
mastertheknife: valve announced ???
sanone: mastertheknife nope
Sir_Brizz: lol
michaellarabel: LMAO
Sir_Brizz: mastertheknife: I recommend you read the last 5 minutes of scrollback
Sir_Brizz: lol
Sir_Brizz: well maybe ten
Wicked: its claimed a inside source has confirmed it...but has yet to be "official" from steam
mastertheknife: wasnt here just got back and all the excitement from Megagun made me think it was officially announced
mastertheknife: ah
Wicked: also. portal is free if you dont have it
Megagun: MASTERTHEKNIFE JUST GOT BACK -> STEAM ON LINUX CONFIRMED
Megagun: oh wait
Wicked: http://store.steampowered.com/freeportal/
mastertheknife: only until 24 th may
michaellarabel: Most comical messages I've read in a good length of time.
Sir_Brizz: hehe
mastertheknife: its confirmed, really
Sir_Brizz: MICHAEL IS LAUGHING STEAM ON LINUX CONFIRMED
mastertheknife: i'm sure michaellarabel knew for 2 years but he couldn't tell us, and now he probably knows even more :P
Megagun: ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTED ON THAT IMAGE HAVE AN 'L' IN THEIR NAME -> STEAM ON LINUX CONFIRMED
Sir_Brizz: I don't doubt he knows, but it's not confirmed
jumbers: mastertheknife: I was also trying to figure out what's going on, definitely read the scrollback
Megagun: Hell, they all have *two* l's. JUST LIKE LINUS TORVALDS OMG
The_Muh: omfg
Megagun: AND STALLMAN
Modplan: OK, cut out all the extraneous lols and the like
The_Muh: pattern constructing ...
Megagun: :P
Modplan: should I leave in names/IRC formatting?
Modplan: or just form a general list
Megagun: just make a general list
Sir_Brizz: just a list imo
DonScott: wussies
Modplan: 'k
Nevtus: post the log
The_Muh: whats about the koala in the photo?
Modplan: I've already cut out most of the inbetween lols and convo
Megagun: Nevtus: too late: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=irc_viewer&d=2010-05-12
Modplan: final time I ask for consensus: leave in names/IRC times or cut em out for a general list?
Nevtus: Megagun: I meant for the forum post
Nevtus: Modplan: leave em imo
Megagun: oh
Sir_Brizz: I think just post it on the steam forums saying "STEAM ON LINUX IS COMING! Secret hidden messages in announcement picture!
Megagun: :P
Nevtus: aweseomeness
The_Muh: but make a list
Modplan: c'mon peeps, need a majority here
Megagun: They're all smiling but not smiling all that broadly as they have to leave some for STEAM ON LINUX LAUNCH!
DonScott: leave them in
jumbers: KOALAS EAT EUCALYPTUS > EUCALYPTUS IS AN OPEN SOURCE LINUX PROJECT > STEAM FOR LINUX CONFIRMED
Megagun: haha
Sir_Brizz: lol
Modplan: 'k, leave em in for now
DonScott: I want people to see my epic "the penguin is a lie."
The_Muh: xD
Modplan: jumbers got in for the last comment :p
The_Muh: cakes are tasty lies...
jumbers: :D
DonScott: where the hell is the koala
The_Muh: right
Megagun: on the right, below the two hanging companion cubes
The_Muh: sees all
The_Muh: is seeing all
jumbers: Basically, in Gabe's stomach
mastertheknife: ok i saw the picture michaellarabel linked to but there is no pengiun inside
The_Muh: ...
DonScott: that looks like a nearsighted turtle with no shell
jumbers: mastertheknife: http://media.steampowered.com/apps/mac/MacSteam_AlfredJasonGabe.jpg
jumbers: No, it's definitely a koala
The_Muh: mastertheknife: in front of the black-mesa-cup
mastertheknife: jumbers: Yeah, that one
jumbers: DonScott: You're looking at the wrong spot
mastertheknife: The_Muh: oh
mastertheknife: how could i miss it omg
Megagun: Why *do* they have two allen wrenches there, anyways?
mastertheknife: punches himself
DonScott: ooooh ok
jumbers: DonScott: Between the two hanging cubes on the monitor
DonScott: it's hanging on the wire
Nevtus: mastertheknife: look to right of the iphone too
jumbers: No idea what the hell the green thing with glasses is
Modplan: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14913464&postcount=738
Megagun: GREEN THING WITH GLASSES: XEYES -> STEAM ON LINUX CONFIRMED
Modplan: posted
willwh: hate to ask this in here - for fear of people throwing things - anyone have an Iphone 3G connected to a wifi network right now?
DonScott: karmic koala
willwh: not a 3GS.
willwh: running os 3.*+
Modplan: damn fecked up some bits
jumbers: DonScott: Old news. Lucid Lynx is the future
mastertheknife: willwh: I have
jumbers: riots at willwh
jumbers: D:
The_Muh: Modplan: can you remove my nickname please?
mastertheknife: Yeah i have an iphone.. *hiddes*
The_Muh: replace is with AnnoNymus or so...
Modplan: will do The_Muh
The_Muh: thx
mastertheknife: willwh: yeah i have 3G on 3.1.2 jailbroken
willwh: ok
willwh: can you do a quick test for me?
mastertheknife: ok
willwh: let me just find a stream that's up
willwh: 1min
Nevtus: next post, Gabe locks the thread and says "never"
The_Muh: lol
jumbers: Gabe is too fat to post on a forum
DonScott: i'd like to know how you can play tf2 on an iPad though.....
Modplan: which means he has lots of spare time to MAKE A LINUX PORT
jumbers: It's a video
The_Muh: Modplan: you forgot one xD
The_Muh: "The_Muh: indeed that also looks like a penguin "
Megagun: Next post: HEY GUYS THAT DOUBLE ALLEN WRENCH THING WAS TOTALLY VERY OBSCURE HOW DID YOU FIND THAT OUT OMG HAX
DonScott: oops.....losed the wrong window
NigeyUK: lol
NigeyUK: wb
Modplan: removed it The_Muh
The_Muh: thanks
Modplan: anyone else want their name removed http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14913464&postcount=738
Modplan: Megagun gets the award for most prolific source of confirmation, jumbers gets the award for being the final word source on the subject
DonScott: dude you totally left out my "the penguin is a lie"
jumbers: :)
Modplan: damn, shall scroll back up and find it DonScott
DonScott: kk
DonScott: or....."That penguin is a spy !" would work too.
Nevtus: now you are editing history
DonScott: Time Machine for the win
Modplan: added the lie back in
Modplan: I created a paradox. Thankfully I had those plans for paradox machine after the master died...
DonScott: cool
Modplan: Now i'm considering sending to gabe again. "Gabe, give the game up, we know it's true, here's the evidence..."
NigeyUK: lol
DonScott: do it
Modplan: yeah but then I'll feel mean for the fat joke
Kano: did anybody try portal with wine yet? needed "VideoMemorySize"="512" override to play it in 1920x1200
mastertheknife: LOL modplan
mastertheknife: Modplan: you should do it
Nevtus: Modplan: based on that, STEAM ON LINUX CANCELLED
NigeyUK: pmsl
mastertheknife: Yeah remove the fat one, lol
Modplan: yeah but if he reads the forum he'll think im a 2 faced shit /teenagegirl>
mastertheknife: edit forum then
mastertheknife: :P
Nevtus: he might have a spam filter for emails with "linux" in them already :P
Modplan: should i just post it log style again or put it into proper list
Modplan: send*
Megagun: list
NigeyUK: ffs converting a hd mkv to xvid should not take almost 2 hours! :(
Kano: use copy mode ;)
NigeyUK: huh? dude it was complicated enough finding the settings i have..lol
NigeyUK: http://www.steamonlinux.com/
NigeyUK: lalala
DonScott: haha
Modplan: lol, nice one NigeyUK
Modplan: I'll add that to email
NigeyUK: i got bored..lol
Megagun: lol
Modplan: make sure to keep it up for next few days
NigeyUK: typo fixed
NigeyUK: aye ill leave it there, servers not doing much anyway
Megagun: needs more dancing penguin animated gif
NigeyUK: haha yush, ill put something a bit snazzier up later
jumbers: Make it look like a site from the early nineties
NigeyUK: lol!
jumbers: Like a Geocities website
DonScott: I wonder how long it'll take for it to be ranked high on google
jumbers: Make sure you have "Cool site of the day" and "Internet award" icons
Megagun: haha
NigeyUK: oh yush!
Megagun: Or, alternatively, put up some gimp'd images of Valve games referring to Linux, like they did with the OSX teaser images.
DonScott: i still say that penguin is a spy.
Nevtus: NigeyUK: put a zoomed up image of the penguin(s) on the desk
Megagun: http://www.gamesprays.com/images/icons/spysappingmypenguin_icon1151.jpg
NigeyUK: oo merci
Gnurdux: what's this picture michaellarabel linked to?
DonScott: lol dude that's awesome
NigeyUK: is now a bad time to say im rather crap at gfx? lol
Modplan: http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AfSozn-GzrhJZGhxa3o2OWRfMzlnejZua2tmYw&hl=en_GB
Modplan: that's the email
Modplan: any other improvements or suggestions let me know before I send it
NigeyUK: awsome mod! lol
Nevtus: Modplan: close up image of the desk penguin!!
jumbers: Modplan: If you're gonna link to the Steam thing, link to the picture, not the article
Modplan: will do
jumbers: http://media.steampowered.com/apps/mac/MacSteam_AlfredJasonGabe.jpg
Nevtus: I can't look at that picture the same anymore
Kano: hi jumbers , did you think about a steam-series file
Kano: with patchname + filename
Modplan: 'k, posting in 30 seconds, view gdocs link to see latest it before I send it and suggest improvements
jumbers: Not really
jumbers: Looks good
Modplan: sending......NAO
jumbers: To just Gabe?
Modplan: yah, for now anyway
Kano: http://store.steampowered.com/freeportal/
mastertheknife: lol modplan
Kano: it looks like it will be working fully
Kano: just you have to get it until 24th may
Modplan: I just hope valve likes it enough that we all get goodies out of it
Modplan: EARLY BETA ACCESS TO STEAM CONFIRMED
DonScott: i wanna post that to the linux groups in steam
Modplan: i posted NigeyUK steamonlinux link to identica/twitter
Modplan: in hindsight that may have been a bad idea
Kano: had the first slice before only...
DonScott: uh oh
DonScott: wine and steam not mixing now
DonScott: wtf
DonScott: nvm it's working now
Kano: DonScott: well you can use wine to play it
NigeyUK: hehe cheers mod, if anyone wants to make an image or something by al means feel free and ill put it up
DonScott: yeah i know that what i was doing lol
DonScott: network hicup i think
Nevtus: Modplan: BANNED FROM STEAM CONFIRMED
jumbers: http://img.jnumbers.com/647px-Gabe_Newell_GDC_2010.jpg
Modplan: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo...CONFIRMED
MPX: I love the E-mail :)
jumbers: HOLY SHIT CONFIRMED http://cdn.steampowered.com/v/gfx/clusters/browse_mac/week_1__steam_play/promo_image_english.png?t=1273694179
jumbers: "play it on all Steam supported platforms"
Modplan: I <3 you guyses
jumbers: !!!
jumbers: They wouldn't say "all" if there are only 2
The_Muh: MPX: what kind of mail?
MPX: The one Modplan is composing :)
Nevtus: The_Muh: there was an email sent to Gabe...
Modplan: MPX: I've already sent it :p
Rednaxela: lol
MPX: You should also send one to Chet
MPX: He's more likely to respond
jumbers: Send one to Alfred
The_Muh: Nevtus: lol
jumbers: I don't think any of them will respond...
Modplan: alfred is a butler silly...no that's wrong...
DonScott: ooh a steam update
The_Muh: who owns this domain? http://www.steamonlinux.com/
MPX: It annoys the hell out of me that I can't run l4d under wine
jumbers: NigeyUK
Rednaxela: My view is this: One can't be sure it'll ever get out of the back door
Nevtus: NigeyUK:
NigeyUK: yo
NigeyUK: oh heh yeah
Nevtus: The_Muh likes your domain
MPX: bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22534
MPX: :(
NigeyUK: $1000 and it's yours ;)
The_Muh: xD
Kano: The_Muh: whois is your friend ;)
Modplan: what's chet/alfreds address? give me their roles and maybe I can customise the intro a bit for them
jumbers: NigeyUK: Valve could come and make you get rid of it though
NigeyUK: yup, and id comply
NigeyUK: its not doing any harm atm
The_Muh: you rly sent this to gabe?! omfg
Modplan: yup, assuming the original address was right
Nevtus: you'd just change it to NOT CONFIRMED
NigeyUK: ;)
jumbers: gaben@valvesoftware.com
Kano: Nevtus: you should add it to the title tag for supybot ;)
The_Muh: no replies in the forum
MPX: I havent the faintest idea what chets email adress is. I've just read on the forums that hes the guy to mail to if you always want replies
MPX: He even confirmed the date of The Passing before it was made "official"
MPX: works at valve
The_Muh: supybot? make a makro that spams "CONFIRMED!!" when a user uses the word "linux" and "steam" in one sentence
Modplan: that would be awesome
NigeyUK: lol
jumbers: I'm really surprised that Valve still doesn't own steam.com
MPX: Dude, you can't own air
MPX: durr
NigeyUK: haha
The_Muh: its air with very hot water
jumbers: Steam is water vapor
The_Muh: =)
jumbers: It's not air
NigeyUK: Steam is water vapor - CONFIRMED!
The_Muh: vapor like in vaporware?
The_Muh: xD
jumbers: Steam on Linux = Vaporware CONFIRMED
MPX: LOL
The_Muh: rofl
Nevtus: oh snap
NigeyUK: pmsl
jumbers: But Steam on Windows is vaporware too
jumbers: So it must be real
jumbers: Duke Nukem Forever CONFIRMED
NigeyUK: he has no balls? :|
MPX: I heard that Duke Nukem Forever was going to be published on Steam for linux
MPX: snap
The_Muh: steam -> water vapor -> water -> ice -> penguins -> linux - CONFIRMED
Nevtus: MPX: launch title
NigeyUK: haha The_Muh awsome !
The_Muh: =)
NigeyUK: in fact ...
The_Muh: and... linus is from finland there are a lot of water
Modplan: http://www.valvesoftware.com/jobs/SenProgrammer.html
Modplan: mentions linux, not sure if old
NigeyUK: http://www.steamonlinux.com/
NigeyUK: :P
MPX: Somebody should put that link in the topic
MPX: To update on the situation!!!!!1111
The_Muh: NigeyUK: lol
NigeyUK: ;)
NigeyUK: yes mpx, good plan
jumbers: Modplan: Don't forget they have programmers that program the Linux Dedicated Servers
MPX: Somebody should have made an interactive steam flash version running on steamonlinux.com
The_Muh: so they have linux-programmers? CONFIRMED!!
Modplan: yeah but this specifically mentions "3d graphic systems"
MPX: and for every button somebody clicked on it would output a blue screen or something
jumbers: You still need to understand the graphics stuff for the servers
jumbers: They update all of the information to the clients
Modplan: need a gabe newell soundbourd
Kano: NigeyUK: how about hosting patches + series file for the linux client
NigeyUK: already got those at www.nigey.co.uk/steam
Milyardo: 1 day late Kano
Megagun: http://mooses.nl/temp/l4d2hack.png
Kano: NigeyUK: i need afiel to parse
The_Muh: hm
Kano: for generic patches
jumbers: I think we've mostly given up trying
The_Muh: somebody knows what kind of OS the valve-webservers running with? (is that a correct sentence?)
DonScott: ok.....I just posted that e-mail Modplan sent to Gabe on my profile ....and posted it to the various linux groups in steam.
jumbers: We got a window and that's all that most of us wanted to see
The_Muh: *are running with
DonScott: because i was bored
Modplan: lulz we gonna be famous yo
jumbers: The_Muh: http://media.steampowered.com/apps/mac/
The_Muh: nginx runs on windows too, afair
jumbers: They're running an old version too
Modplan: i got all excited when I saw i had new email then
Modplan: damn ubuntu bug reports
Megagun: augh, I misaligned my 'rackadmin' string, ohwell
jumbers: You won't get a reply from Gabe and if you do, it won't confirm anything
Modplan: DON'T DO THIS TO ME GABE MY HEART IS TOO FRAGILE IT BORKEN BEFORE
DonScott: lolz
jumbers: I emailed Dan nearly 2 weeks ago now and no reply. I never expected one
Modplan: i need to calm down...
The_Muh: jumbers: maybe gabe mails back this: "CONFIRMED!!"
The_Muh: xD
jumbers: lol.
DonScott: that would be cool
NigeyUK: lol that would be comical
Modplan: that would be awesome, even if it was a joke. Valve guys have a pretty good sense of humour
The_Muh: that would be awesome
MPX: Perhaps he will ban your steam account :S
jumbers: lolwut
DonScott: nah
Modplan: nah, if he does I'll out him as being overweight
MPX: I remember when I first created my steam account. It was on the same day I bought a brand new copy of HL2
DonScott: he's not that mean
Modplan: one of his dirty secrets
MPX: a few days after, I got banned
Megagun: Maybe he will e-mail back "Hey, you forgot that I am fat like a penguin -> CONFIRMED!"
MPX: Reason: Downloading hl2 Illegally
jumbers: Bribe Gabe with a 10 course dinner
MPX: Scanning the receipt and sending it in didnt do jack shit
MPX: :P
MPX: They have a bad sense of humour :S
Modplan: Megagun: lulz, then a giant sad face emoticon
NigeyUK: brb
The_Muh: gabe isnt fat. its a rendering bug
jumbers: It's not a bug, it's a feature
Kano: MPX: and did you get your hl2 then
MPX: Nope
MPX: Steam account is still banned :)
The_Muh: w00t
MPX: Has been since hl2 came out
Kano: ah
MPX: I own another though...183 games
MPX: If they ban that one for no reason
Kano: on the same account?
MPX: It's a shitstorm comin :S
MPX: No, another :)
MPX: I don't download games "illegally" as they put it...I buy em
The_Muh: MPX: go to the valve-studio - armed with a crowbar
Kano: MPX: maybe somebody opened the box and used the serial before
Modplan: https://twitter.com/#search?q=steam%20linux
xorl: man I can't believe they officially announced that
Nevtus: they haven't
jumbers: Oh God.
Modplan: It's only confirmed if you put it in caps
jumbers: They have no confirmed source
MPX: The box was sealed :)
MPX: I was thinkin I should wear a headcrap
Megagun: Quick, someone mod a picture of Portal with compantion cube into PORTAL WITH DESKTOP CUBE!
MPX: and run aimlessly around with a gun
MPX: You know
jumbers: This could end badly if Valve says "lol we're not doing it"
MPX: Portal was already ported to the amiga :D
xorl: Megagun: heh I have the aperture science logo lazer etched onto the back of my laptop :D
Kano: MPX: could you return the game?
MPX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mg6wrYCT9Q&playnext_from=TL&videos=sPNIQi0Bsr8
MPX: I got so mad I tossed it out the window
Nevtus: oh no, youtube has changed again
MPX: I know, stupid move :S
Kano: haha
MPX: I never tire of that Video :)
The_Muh: MPX: dramatic
Kano: MPX: you hsould have sued em ;)
MPX: I got anger management pills :D
MPX: Speaking of which..
DonScott: i just ragequit when i get mad.
The_Muh: anger... rarely... rly rarely for me
MPX: :)
The_Muh: my PC burns? whatever...
MPX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nLFAtUw_zA <- Steam FER LINUX CONFIRMED!
The_Muh: lol
MPX: My girlfriend sometimes calls me a bitch :D
Modplan: lol we're all doomed
MPX: I get more mad then her
MPX: Anyhoo...
Azerthoth: zomg iz on utoobez ... hez 2 b tru
MPX: haha :D
Azerthoth: the logic astounds
The_Muh: hm
MPX: What distro do you all use anyway? And what window manager?
Megagun: Arch/KDE4
The_Muh: Arch Linux (activated testing-repo), I3
The_Muh: <3 i3
MPX: Never tried that one :)
Nevtus: MPX: Arch Linux/Awesome WM
NeoX: http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/226913179
MPX: To be far, I've only had 3...FreeBSD (not linux..but still) , redhat (1999-2004) Ubuntu (now)
jumbers: I'm kinda mad that the article says Valve confirmed it when there is clearly no source for that.
The_Muh: (percent of tiling-users at Arch) > (percent of tiling-users at any other distribution)
The_Muh: does ubuntu have a tiling-wm in the repos?
MPX: can't check now, sorry :S
Megagun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rONUd4CgEgo&feature=related <- CONFIRMED!
jumbers: Citing the Telegraph is not a source because the Telegraph also doesn't like a source
MPX: What window manager does arch come with?
MPX: Is it geared more to the gui or to the command line?
Megagun: none at all, by default.
Megagun: Once you have installed Arch, you simply have "Core" which is only commandline.
Megagun: From then on you install an X server and a WM
Modplan: GUYS I CARNT BELEEV HOW CONFURMD STEAN FIR LINUX UIS
MPX: Ahhh I see :)
DonScott: onfirmed is the new internet meme
The_Muh: there are arch-user without X...
DonScott: damn C key
MPX: ascii portal looks pretty cool
Megagun: The_Muh: hmm, true, yeah, though I expect that most are running X
The_Muh: of course
The_Muh: i dunno exactly - but i guess the half of the german arch-users in the IRC-channel are using a tiling-wm
michaellarabel: Modplan: Your list might end up on Phoronix :P
The_Muh: arch is a strange dist...
riisen: arch is nice ;p
Modplan: michaellarabel: Awesome! couldn't have done it without all the would be sherlock holmes that helped confirm everything :p
Nevtus: as they say, CASE SOLVED
michaellarabel: Well, it would be for "The Top 10 Reasons Steam Is Coming To Linux", but I would only be using eight or nine of your items :P
The_Muh: i like the "steam => water vapor => water => ice ..."
markatto: none of these sources seem like they are authoratative
Modplan: <3
Nevtus: michaellarabel: and the last reason is the offical press release Valve just emailed you? :P
Gnurdux: michaellarabel, can you clarify as to your reasons for saying that it is "official"?
NigeyUK: lol
Gnurdux: like
markatto: the linked sites don't cite any sources or press releases
jumbers: Unless Valve confirmed it directly, I don't trust the Telegraph making claims
Gnurdux: "My sources say..." doesn't sound remotely "official" to me
Gnurdux: it sounds like your sources say it, which is (perhaps) convincing but not official
The_Muh: y noone ask running with scissors?
Gnurdux: do you have any idea when to expect an announcement?
SimmyD: now that /. has said its happening hopefully valve will make a comment
markatto: It honestly looks to me like the telegraph got confused, and then everyone started citing each other as sources
jumbers: Saying that the client should be out this summer is even more of a jump
markatto: with no real primary sources
Nevtus: it's all very circular
SimmyD: jumbers: yea i did laugh at that
SimmyD: :P
Modplan: you guys obviously haven't seen the picture. It proved everything
Modplan: http://media.steampowered.com/apps/mac/MacSteam_AlfredJasonGabe.jpg
markatto: TF2 COMING TO IPAD CONFIRMED
SimmyD: haha
SimmyD: the penguine?
The_Muh: SimmyD: much more then the penguine
Modplan: SimmyD: everything - shortened list of reasons we posted on steam forums
Modplan: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14913464&postcount=738
The_Muh: SimmyD: www.steamonlinux.com
SimmyD: ahahahaha
SimmyD: you guys put that on the forum
SimmyD: love it
SimmyD: wish i said something now
SimmyD: hahah love it
Modplan: sent another version to Gabe
DonScott: i put it on my steam profile too....
NigeyUK: 398 comments on /. :|
Modplan: http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AfSozn-GzrhJZGhxa3o2OWRfMzlnejZua2tmYw&hl=en_GB
DonScott: R.A.W.R.
The_Muh: NigeyUK: btw: at the homepages you can add my name =)
The_Muh: would be nice xD
NigeyUK: oki 2 secs
The_Muh: like in the Creative Commons: BY-NS-SA
NigeyUK: lol
The_Muh: *NC
jumbers: I really don't like the fact that news sources are making unfounded claims
Sleepy_Coder: http://media.steampowered.com/apps/mac/MacSteam_AlfredJasonGabe.jpg Guy with the glasses is cuuuuuute :p
The_Muh: Sleepy_Coder: wich one?
Sleepy_Coder: er... didn't notice the fat one had glasses
Modplan: what about those come hither eyes of the dude on the left?
Sleepy_Coder: one in the back :p
Sleepy_Coder: <3
jumbers: Uh. Sure.
The_Muh: Modplan: he is looking at an angry penguine
The_Muh: *-e
Sleepy_Coder: He has the Pyro shirt :p
Modplan: WAIT DID YOU JUST DO WHAT I THINK YOU DID
Modplan: YOU CONFIRMED IT
Modplan: i should stop beating the joke to death now
The_Muh: Sleepy_Coder: you find him "cute"?! oO
jumbers: :|
Sleepy_Coder: Yes :p
Sleepy_Coder: The only turnoff is the pyro shirt.
Sleepy_Coder: Fuck Pyro.
The_Muh: pyro == for noobs
Sleepy_Coder: ^
Modplan: why would you want to fuck the pyro of you hate them?
Sleepy_Coder: It's a glass that gets killing done, albeit completely without class.
DonScott: pyro = w + m1
Sleepy_Coder: er... class*
Sleepy_Coder: Most un-elegant killer in the game.
Sleepy_Coder: I remember one time I ran past a pyro as scout and he airblasted me back to him
The_Muh: elegant? sniper with bow =)
Sleepy_Coder: It was the cheapest "wtf" moment I had ever experienced.
Sleepy_Coder: I didn't play TF2 for a month afte rthat.
jumbers: :|
Gnurdux: The_Muh, i dunno, who would you email at running with scissors?
Sleepy_Coder: It wasn't lag either, he somehow pulled me back on the tiniest bit of threshhold he had with me being that far ahead of him
Sleepy_Coder: I raged so ahrd.
Sleepy_Coder: er... hard*
Gnurdux: it would be nice to ask them to confirm that they are confident they will be able to make a linux release
jumbers: Azerthorth ragequit
The_Muh: Gnurdux: me. but my english is bad
jumbers: Gnurdux: They won't do that.
Gnurdux: The_Muh, I was asking: who would you email?
The_Muh: oh
Gnurdux: jumbers, they actually officially announced it though
jumbers: Nobody will confirm something before an announcement
The_Muh: dunnp
Gnurdux: years ago
jumbers: Proof?
Gnurdux: 1 sec
SimmyD: its on ./ as good as released :P
The_Muh: who is the boss?
jumbers: What's ./?
SimmyD: what are we talking about now?
Sleepy_Coder: working directory
SimmyD: i am still on steam
Kano: jumbers: /.
Sleepy_Coder: :p
SimmyD: woops
jumbers: ;)
SimmyD: /. even
SimmyD: i am on a AIX system atm
SimmyD: leave me alone
SimmyD: lol
jumbers: At least you didn't say \.
Sleepy_Coder: STEAM FOR AIX
SimmyD: CONFIRMED
Sleepy_Coder: I just confirmed it, there.
Megagun: |.
jumbers: Pipedot?
Megagun: PONG BAT AND PONG BALL
Megagun: Steam for Pong hardware confirmed
Sleepy_Coder: |:
The_Muh: pong-bat-and-pong-ball.org
The_Muh: funny url
Sleepy_Coder: Well that was freaky :p
NigeyUK: pmsl
Sleepy_Coder: Bunch of Chrome windows opened in the background for no reason
Sleepy_Coder: But they all displayed the youtube link in my paste buffer
NigeyUK: odd
Sleepy_Coder: Wondering if I hit an odd keybind or I have a virus...
Sleepy_Coder: As I am on Windows 7 atm.
LaptopFury: Hello
NigeyUK: hi
SimmyD: well there is your issue
SimmyD: windws 7
Sleepy_Coder: iknorite?
LaptopFury: Did the last update to steam_linux_client break it completely? I can't seem to login anymore, like I could before.
Gnurdux: jumbers: http://omgpcgames.com/index.php/interviews/33-computer/45-postal-iii-interview-with-running-with-scissors
Gnurdux: from 2008 :S
Sleepy_Coder: I need 7 for 1 more week and then summer vaca starts and I can perfect my Lin install
LaptopFury: Or is that what the topic is about
jumbers: Gnurdux: That was not Valve
The_Muh: chrome is just a kind of scrap metal
Gnurdux: no, that was RWS
NigeyUK: yeah its kinda broke now, you should be able to login, but itll segfault
Gnurdux: we were talking about RWS and postal III
jumbers: That doesn't confirm Steam
Sleepy_Coder: TF2 is updating.
LaptopFury: Well, I can't even get that Gnurdux
Gnurdux: the reason it is of interest is that it is based on source
jumbers: That confirms the Source engine
Sleepy_Coder: Things suddenly got laggy.
Gnurdux: i don't care much about Steam
LaptopFury: It could before, but even after clearing the home folders it no longer shows anything, not even a segfault error
Gnurdux: it's nice because it makes it cheaper to distribut a linux client
Gnurdux: etc
Gnurdux: but source seems like a much bigger deal
Gnurdux: the thing is i am sort of suspicious that they just said that on a whim
Gnurdux: like "oh yeah we can port it"
Gnurdux: because it hasn't showed up in recent releases i think
The_Muh: if valve can port source to linux, infinity ward can port COD MW2 to linux too
The_Muh: right? xD
jumbers: :|
jumbers: I hope not
The_Muh: okay - i dont like COD MW2...
SimmyD: bf bc2
LaptopFury: not under Activision, The_Muh
SimmyD: on linux
SimmyD: how shit
SimmyD: hot shit
LaptopFury: I've grown bored of mw2 anyway
The_Muh: cod4 was nice
Gnurdux: The_Muh, of course they could lol
Gnurdux: but they won't
The_Muh: i know that they wont
The_Muh: just a thought
DonScott: G-mod would stand a better chance of being ported honestly
The_Muh: either all source-based games runs on the ported source-engine or valve made a fail with source
LaptopFury: Does gmod have a mac version yet or is garry going to take his sweet time?
jumbers: The_Muh: There are several source engines
SimmyD: i am sure garry can afford to pay someone to port it
LaptopFury: there's the hl2 ep1 engine, the orange box engine and then the left4dead engine
LaptopFury: the latter being significantly more powerful
Gnurdux: The_Muh, Source is supposed to be pretty modular
The_Muh: sounds like a fail...
jumbers: No, they're different code branches...
DonScott: i don't think he's mac friendly yet, but he is making g-mod run on the orangebox engine soon i think....course it's ONLY 3 YEARS OLD NOW.
The_Muh: one engine-core - that should work with every plugin at every version
LaptopFury: donscott, it already runs on tob
LaptopFury: that was back in 2007 when the port was made actually, I think
DonScott: what's tob ?
LaptopFury: the orange box
Gnurdux: michaellarabel, all we want is details on this confirmation
DonScott: oh
DonScott: well then
DonScott: my bad
LaptopFury: I won't be surprised if garry doesn't port though
jumbers: Gnurdux: Clearly the "confirmation" is citing a source that doesn't have a source
LaptopFury: because he hasn't even made a linux server for gmod yet
DonScott: yeah i know
DonScott: he kinda sucks for that
Gnurdux: jumbers, he also explicitly said his sources confirmed it
LaptopFury: garry can really be an asshole at times :\
Gnurdux: and apparently some other sites said their sources confirmed it as well
The_Muh: when i write an engine, i would make every game uses the engine is running with the newest version
LaptopFury: well, we've been wanting that for years on HL2 and Episode 1 like the console ports got
LaptopFury: but they haven't done it yet :\]
LaptopFury: -]
The_Muh: they are comfirmimg each other
jumbers: Gnurdux: A valid source would be a press release from Valve
Gnurdux: yes
The_Muh: church does it in the same way
Gnurdux: michaellarabel was implying at least that he got info from solve Valve employee
Gnurdux: probably anonymously
The_Muh: any part of the bible is confirmed by another... so it MUST BE true
jumbers: The_Muh: No need for religious stuff
Gnurdux: The_Muh, not really, the bible stories often at least seem to be contradictory
The_Muh: Gnurdux: i didn't say "by all other parts"
DonScott: and the room falls silent....
The_Muh: someone have a needle?
Modplan: no, but I have a hay stack
The_Muh: hay doesnt make sounds by falling to the ground
The_Muh: oO chatting more than one hour with you - and german looks strange for me
The_Muh: ...
Modplan: german is strange
The_Muh: we have a strange phonetic
Modplan: and with that I'm off for the night :p hopefully everything will be confirmed in one way or another by morning
The_Muh: and we have these: äöü ÄÖÜ ß
The_Muh: gn8
Modplan: you should try welsh with dd and ch...nights
LaptopFury: well
LaptopFury: technically, steam for linux is "confirmed"
LaptopFury: no matter what is said
LaptopFury: I mean, it's on the update server, lawl
DeathCrawler: lol
Rednaxela: Well, confirmed that they're working on it, isn't confirmation for sure it'll be out the door really
The_Muh: use a crowbar to open the door and steal the linux-client =)
DonScott: better than nothing though
LaptopFury: and they keep updating it
The_Muh: or better: write a clone of steam (by reading the network-traffic)
LaptopFury: you can download updates as they upload them, probably for internal testing
LaptopFury: that doesn't help for actually running steam games
Rednaxela: Yes LaptopFury, but all too often things get mostly done and never officially released. Don't want to speak too soon... All signs are good, but I prefer to take a cautious stance
LaptopFury: I'd assume they're going to have another patch out soon to fix this last regression
LaptopFury: starcraft ghost?
The_Muh: i'm sure that all the hints about the steam client for linux are not leaked unintentionally
jumbers: They're not updating the Linux client right now
SimmyD: The_Muh: these ones? http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14913464&postcount=738
SimmyD: >_<
The_Muh: maybe many parts work and they take a little break to finish the client xD
The_Muh: SimmyD: not these
SimmyD: mby they made it work but broke it so we couldnt use it yet :P
jumbers: They're not working on the Linux client because all the effort is on the Mac client right now
SimmyD: jumbers: sources for htat? :P
jumbers: Common sense.
SimmyD: common sense is restricting :P
The_Muh: then all devs should also work on HL3 episode three
jumbers: Common sense doesn't seem to be very common
The_Muh: *HL2
The_Muh: or all work on portal 2
jumbers: Screw Portal 2
jumbers: I want HL2 ep.3
The_Muh: i want both
jumbers: I could care less about Portal
The_Muh: hl2 is epic
The_Muh: but portal... portal is pure art
jumbers: And?
The_Muh: like both
The_Muh: xd
The_Muh: *D
The_Muh: if valve ever release a linux-dist they should call it "Glados" xD
zmisc: though this is all speculation right now
The_Muh: scientist are making money with speculating
zmisc: yeah, and what does that prove?
LaptopFury: mby they made it work but broke it so we couldnt use it yet :P
The_Muh: ... and the people in the wallstreet too... so i can speculate too... not?
LaptopFury: Wouldn't make much sense, if they're doing internal testing on it.
The_Muh: LaptopFury: y?
The_Muh: would be a nice joke
LaptopFury: no it wouldn't :(
zmisc: "testing" it could very well be canned
The_Muh: maybe it works when we use the right parameter
The_Muh: like --the --cake --is --a --lie
zmisc: nothing is completely working yet, and they've got no obligations considering it hasn't been any announcements
markatto: http://store.steampowered.com/freeportal/
markatto: if anyone doesn't already own it, you might want to consider making an account and grabbing it
The_Muh: <- owns the oranges box - too late
The_Muh: and i also own a bed... gn8
jumbers: Wait, it's free to keep?
jumbers: I thought it's free to play until the 24th
strace: i thought it was also
Wicked: it sounds like its free forever
Wicked: the way they word it...it sounds like you have until the 24th to get your free copy
jumbers: This is the kind of thing they usually do for like 24 hours
jumbers: Or 3 hours
Wicked: yea
jumbers: 12 days?
Wicked: i kinda figured it was to get tons of mac users on steam
jumbers: Maybe the 24th is the Linux announcement
Wicked: we can only hope :)
strace: :)
DonScott: i cant seem to get my logitech headset to work.....I'm thinking i need the realtek audio driver i had in windows.
DeathCrawler: ♬ Tuatha De Danann - 7 Believe It's True! - Trova Di Danú (3:49/5:05 75%) Volume 100
DeathCrawler: I want to believe
vrtigo: Today I am a happy man
dusty_fox: take a look at this: http://www.sevensidedcube.net/technology/2010/steam-for-mac-is-out/ ---benchmarks on warty warthog? hopefully just a typo xD
DonScott: sadly not one of the comments states that he should upgrade his ubuntu
DonScott: lol
dusty_fox: i wasn't even sure if ubuntu was around in 2004 lol
DonScott: i dont think windows 7 was either
DonScott: unless it was in it's very alpha stage
strace: or OSX 10.6
DonScott: and still
dusty_fox: maybe he has a secret LLLLLLTS version of ubuntu
DonScott: heh
strace: haha yeah it is call not running apt
DonScott: ok....very wierd....got my headset to work with the back sound ports but not the 2 in the front. =/
DonScott: meh
bluekoala: Yay go habs
dusty_fox: DonScott: is your front panel connector plugged into your soundcard? It's an audio jack, not usb right?
DonScott: yeah
dusty_fox: hmm, weird
DonScott: worked in windows....not sure why it's not working in ubuntu
DonScott: yeah
dusty_fox: driver issue i guess
DonScott: yeah
DonScott: i had the realtek audio driver for it in windows.....not sure there's a linux one....
DonScott: can get the damn driver cd to work with linux
DonScott: err
dusty_fox: it should be supported by ALSA, but oftentimes the ALSA driver will have quirks and differences from the windows version
DonScott: can't
dusty_fox: ALSA drivers usually come built into the distro
DonScott: i got ubuntu 10.04
dusty_fox: I have a CMEDIA 8788 chip soundcard, and while it works in linux okay, it's better in windows. I can't adjust the s/pdif out volume in linux
DonScott: mines an intergrated one in the motherboard
gitano: w00t
gitano: http://www.halflife2.net/2010/05/12/its-official-steam-coming-to-linux/ there u go :)
DonScott: P5N-D Nvidia 750iSli chipset
dusty_fox: gitano: PFFFT
dusty_fox: telegraph again :p
dusty_fox: DonScott: maybe make a post about it on ubuntu forums. i tried looking in google and only found people having problems with windows
gitano: :p sry for repost then
dusty_fox: built-in soundcards are always the quirkiest in my experience, unfortunately :/
DonScott: yeah i already flipped through google too =/
dusty_fox: gitano: the telegraph doesn't have a source -- for all we know their source could be phoronix (or, their ass)
strace: is seeing more and more of where phoronix is the source
strace: and valve is keeping quiet
gitano: mhmkay
dusty_fox: yeah, today's phoronix story is kind of bunk, except for the fact that steam is out on mac today
kloplop321: Oh noes, recursive sourcing
dusty_fox: it's like an endless loop of confirming steam coming to linux
DonScott: yeah
Gnurdux: and everyone seems to just be copying phoronix
Wicked: if steam announces they are not gonna port it to mac. someone needs to die lol
dusty_fox: i wish phoronix would update to correct their story
gitano: hehe
DonScott: valve needs to release something to someone else or confirm it soon.
Wicked: crap
Wicked: port it to linux
Wicked: lol
dusty_fox: wicked: i was gonna say, we already can download steam for mac :p
gitano: ya, and tis nice :)
strace: and a broken steam for linux :P
Wicked: hehe
strace: damn steamui.so!
dusty_fox: at least we have it! it may have no fonts, graphics, or games, but dammit we have one!
kloplop321: sure, the client is broken, but that doesn't mean we have the source engine working
Wicked: well. im not really familiar with this place....but from what i saw earlier....someone from phoronix said they talked to someone in valve..and its for sure
Wicked: not sure how credible the person is
Wicked: or anything like that
dusty_fox: they should release the source engine games for linux and let us run them with a basic cli client, kind of like the source dedicated server
strace: Portal in ASCII!
kloplop321: garry's mod is win only :(
gitano: dusty_fox: dream on, heh
strace: I would so play that :3
dusty_fox: portal with libcaca :p
kloplop321: that would be interesting.
strace: :D
kloplop321: I run at 1920x1200, so plenty of character space :)
strace: aw you have me beat
strace: 1920x1080
strace: damn you 120lines!
dusty_fox: :) I'll just have to jack up my monitor to 2500x1440 or whatever the ungodly high res this monitor is capable of
kloplop321: ha, actually I have 2 of these screens and linux treats it as one in some ways
strace: ;_;
strace: is using a Acer Aspier Z5600 :3
strace: can't get the touch screen working, but everything else does
dusty_fox: strace: an all-in-one? hand in your nerd card :p
strace: TOUCH SCREEN!
strace: and actually i am a geek :P
dusty_fox: thanks for clarifying :p
kloplop321: I have a Sceptre screen, decent, good color, good for energy. Got a crap inefficient(electricity) Soyo screen that is bulkier and has one funky pixel(not dead, it acts as an average of all pixels below it)
DeathCrawler: i want steam now for play portal
DeathCrawler: =/
strace: (failing school, kinnda thing so i handed in my nerd card a long time ago :D)
dusty_fox: I have a 100lb widescreen Sony CRT :D
DonScott: I think they'll come out with it , they just want the Ma peeps to have the spotlight and make sure most of it is working for them before diverting energy to the linux side
kloplop321: is not failing in school, but can be less concerned.
strace: well i get D's
kloplop321: dusty_fox: I have a friend who has 3 monitors like that. HEAVY
strace: so not REALLY failing but yeah
dusty_fox: kloplop: lol his desk must be made out of steel and concrete or something
kloplop321: strace: according to my standards, a C is failing :P
kloplop321: I might say both lol
kloplop321: he got them for like $10 each
kloplop321: 1600x1200 each
dusty_fox: holy crap, that's really good if it's one of the fw900's
strace: >.< I need a way to run XNA under Linux
dusty_fox: oohhh so 4:3
kloplop321: yeah
dusty_fox: I like 1600x1200's, but the one I use is 1920x1200 native
kloplop321: Why do screen makers keep making 1080's and not 1200? You can perfectly fit a 1080p vid and the UI/subtitles in the extra 120 pixels
dusty_fox: marketing, i think
kloplop321: it is STUPID
dusty_fox: I know
strace: yeah, 1200p doesn't sound as cool as 1080p
dusty_fox: give me high resolution, dammit
kloplop321: this soyo screen I got was for $150. I'm never buying their brand enough.
gitano: aw man, phoronix behaves like the church for linux
dusty_fox: I just hope they don't pull the same thing once OLED is out
kloplop321: I'm never buying that brand again*
gitano: "we do not tell the truth, but at least we do believe that we tell"
gitano: "so, better believe as well...tell me u don't wanna (like we do) " :P
kloplop321: throws a rock at gitano for blasphemy
gitano: takes cover
kloplop321: loves his bash scripts that play random music with curl, php, sqlite, and mplayer
dusty_fox: kloplop321: all at the same time?
kloplop321: no. but that is in order
dusty_fox: oh you grab them with curl, and play them eventually in mplayer?
kloplop321: yep
dusty_fox: I'm not that sophisticated. I just grab mine with bittorent :p
dusty_fox: *bittorrent
kloplop321: I can play the exact same music with my custom built music system, but firefox's audio dies after a few hours for no reason
kloplop321: dusty_fox: no no, not like that. is is music from my encrypted hard drive :P
dusty_fox: oh :p
dusty_fox: I use Sonata/mpd
kloplop321: mplayer is playing local. curl is just getting the location from php
dusty_fox: sounds fancy
kloplop321: php is just getting a random value from an sqlite database
dusty_fox: rather than loading up a giant music client and pressing random?
kloplop321: yeah
kloplop321: plus I have a modified version for any other linux comps in da haus
dusty_fox: the encrypted hard drive is on a file-server?
dusty_fox: i want to do something like that eventually
dusty_fox: except i probably won't encrypt :p
kloplop321: na
kloplop321: not like that anyway
kloplop321: I'm using truecrypt on a 1TB drive.
dusty_fox: truecrypt work pretty well?
kloplop321: if I watched 6 hours of shows a day, I have like 9 months of entertainment on that drive
kloplop321: very well.
dusty_fox: wow, makes my paltry 250gb ext3 drive sad...
Sir_Brizz: EXT3 DRIVE STEAM CONFIRMED
dusty_fox: lol
dusty_fox: STEAM ON A HARD DRIVE CONFIRMED
kloplop321: just have to mount and type in my 19 character password to decrypt and then my su pass to mount
Sir_Brizz: lol
kloplop321: on every boot.
dusty_fox: kloplop321: sounds cool, I'll have to try out truecrypt one day
Sir_Brizz: even though I know I shouldn't be, I'm still shocked at the amount of misinformation flying around because of that one line on Telegraph
dusty_fox: STEAM ON A COMPUTER, CONRFEMID
kloplop321: my user folder uses LUKS encryption or what ever. I have to type it in on boot. but if someone restarts my computer, they can't get in. it will eventually move forward and at least open up the services I need to be unfiltered
dusty_fox: what distro are you on?
kloplop321: OpenSuse
dusty_fox: really? You sound more like an Arch, Gentoo, or slackware person :p
kloplop321: ha..
kloplop321: maybe arch or slackware, I have friends that use those.
willwh: when ppl say OpenSuse, I am imagine them wearing vibrant pink
willwh: maybe just me :p
dusty_fox: lolwut?
kloplop321: YaST beats all other management/admin panels on linux.
Sir_Brizz: I used to use openSUSe back in the day
kloplop321: I wear white.
Sir_Brizz: I was always annoyed by how slowly they released and how far behind their releases were
dusty_fox: kloplop321: It's pretty easy to beat NOTHING XD
kloplop321: mainly light colors,
kloplop321: dusty_fox: Well, the conglomerate options out there like GADMIN stuff just sucks compared to the YaST modules.
kloplop321: the YaST won me over.
dusty_fox: indeed
kloplop321: the package system supports both rpm(I'm not a fan of it) and packman
dusty_fox: I used Gentoo for 2 years before switching to debian at the beginning of 2010, so I'm used to fumbling through the cli to get things done. debian is quite a bit easier than gentoo though
dusty_fox: pacman is fun
kloplop321: packman.
dusty_fox: different?
kloplop321: pacman == game :)
willwh: yeah, I am a debian fan :)
dusty_fox: well, it's also the command used in arch
monkeyslayer56: yep
kloplop321: I usually use ubuntu cli set up if I want to go total custom
dusty_fox: aptitude is pretty good
kloplop321: start from the ground up with at least a package management system.
kloplop321: I just use apt-get, I don't use aptitude too much.
jelso: sudo apt-get install steam
Sir_Brizz: opensuse is good for KDE
dusty_fox: Gentoo and Arch are really good for "build from the ground up" setups. I guess Debian can do it too
willwh: apt-cache search steam | grep -i fallacy
kloplop321: nar nar
dusty_fox: aptitude install teamfortress2
DonScott: Is Mint any good ?
kloplop321: never tried it
willwh: it's shiny ubuntu
dusty_fox: me neither
kloplop321: my friend says it is good
DonScott: me either
willwh: basically
kloplop321: shiny ubuntu
willwh: it's for the stupids mostly
willwh: imo
dusty_fox: aptitude install hl2
dusty_fox: willwh: lol :p
DonScott: i think it's ubuntu with proprietary
jelso: mint is ubuntu with codec and sun java already installed
willwh: "window lickers" if you will
DonScott: and a win98
jelso: and it is green
Sir_Brizz: mint is an attempt to "suse-ize" ubuntu
dusty_fox: and it has a messed up start-menu
DonScott: yeah i didn't like the start menu
kloplop321: who likes KDE?
jelso: I should say mint is debian... and is green
jelso: I hope you like green
Wicked: um. mint linux is ubuntu with included restricted extras..
dusty_fox: kloplop321: I kind of do, but kde 4 still doesn't seem quite there yet
DonScott: green is the only thing i'd want
monkeyslayer56: i personally have got around to trying KDE recently
dusty_fox: i use openbox + gtk apps (and ktorrent) at the moment
Sir_Brizz: I LOVE KDe :p
kloplop321: I did like KDE3, KDE4 seems to be decent, though I have a lot of things I would like changed.
DonScott: and i can do that with ubuntu
willwh: I have 2 rigs under my desk, win7 64bit and 64bit lenny :p
jelso: the terminal is set to green text with green bg
dusty_fox: 64bit lenny here :)
kloplop321: 64 bit OpenSuse
monkeyslayer56: 64bit arch here
Sir_Brizz: KDE 4.4 is awesome
willwh: meh, kde
kloplop321: has an i7 920 at 4Ghz
Sir_Brizz: I'm using Kubuntu 10.04 64 bit
strace: 64bit opensuse here, soon to be F13-RC2 :3
willwh: I'm with dusty_fox - openbox ftw :P
DonScott: OpenSuse looked cool
kloplop321: Kubuntu 9.10 sucked horribly
Sir_Brizz: Kubuntu is not very polished
kloplop321: I got OpenSuse 5 days after it came out.
dusty_fox: monkeyslayer56: one thing that bugs me about 64bit arch is the lack of multilib GCC
willwh: kloplop321: givf pls
Sir_Brizz: I love KDE but Kubuntu team really needs to step it up
kloplop321: define givf willwh
Sir_Brizz: in terms of polish, OpenSUSE is LIGHTYEARS ahead of Kubuntu
willwh: I would like to have your processer :D
kloplop321: I tried gnome fedora. It was horrifying to me.
willwh: fedora, argh
monkeyslayer56: dusty_fox ya it bigs me to... if i need to compile 32bit i just use a chroot
dusty_fox: fedora is too....formal
kloplop321: willwh: It is the cheapes i7 when I got it, I OCed it to 4Ghz.
strace: I am really impressed with OpenSUSE 11.2, I haven't used it since SUSE 9.3 and all I can say is they they have REALLY decreased the boot time a LOT
Sir_Brizz: kloplop321: lol, sad since Gnome is RedHat's buddy
willwh: it still ships with SELinux by default
willwh: is sick
Sir_Brizz: strace: indeed, my primary problem with openSUSE is still just age of packages
kloplop321: Sir_Brizz: it was the file management stuff by default that I did not like.
willwh: strace: same with ubuntu 10.4 tbh - it's quick now
strace: 10.4? since when is there 40 mths in a year?
DonScott: last time i tried Fedora was a RedHat distro back in like 1996 or 97
dusty_fox: strace: lol
dusty_fox: technicalities ftw
Sir_Brizz: RedHat 5.2 baby!
kloplop321: Sir_Brizz: it has updated packages in the main repo, but there aren't many officially supported packages... you have to sometimes depend on 3rd party repos that may conflict and break things.
willwh: DonScott: it still is. isn't it?
DonScott: it didn't work with my Voodoo 3 PCI card and i was sad
willwh: or have I been asleep at the wheel
Sir_Brizz: kloplop321: exactly, and they take forever to update core packages, if they even do it before the next point release
strace: Sir_Brizz: have you used 6 yet? :3 so sexy
willwh: fedora = effectively "open RHEL" ?
willwh: :p
strace: willwh: no
strace: that is CentOS
dusty_fox: willwh: it's like, beta RHEL
willwh: right
strace: ^ yes
Sir_Brizz: strace: I remember when RedHat 6 came out because I bought a "Using RedHat Linux" book that came with it or something
kloplop321: Sir_Brizz: No, not like that. I'm talking about the third party ones. They don't update often because they don't have a solid backing. The main repo is update once deemed stable
willwh: I know enough to know I hate RHEL, with a passion
kloplop321: which doesn't always take too long. and usually tarballs will always work anyway.
strace: I ment RHEL 6
DonScott: mine was Learn Linux in 24 hours
Sir_Brizz: kloplop321: I meant more with things like the kernel and firefox, things of that nature
Sir_Brizz: DonScott: lol
willwh: ff :/
strace: http://tinyurl.com/y4cbu6v <-- RHEL6 beta
SimmyD: t's Official: Valve Releasing Steam, Source Engine for Linux
Sir_Brizz: SimmyD: it's a lie
kloplop321: oh. the kernel I can understand why they don't update often. Firefox is more like semi-often, less than ubuntu, but moderately there
strace: SimmyD: link to Valve PR?
SimmyD: Sir_Brizz: lol i know ;)
dusty_fox: SimmyD: pics or it didn't happen
willwh: anyone tried the new IE9 demo? hate to say it - it is _fast_ :p
DonScott: the penguin is a lie
jelso: is it confirmed?
SimmyD: its on osnews now
Sir_Brizz: kloplop321: I think they only update firefox on the point releases
strace: doesn't count
SimmyD: http://www.osnews.com/comments/23284
Sir_Brizz: other than firefox's minor bug releases
markatto: it's like a circular reference
dusty_fox: dammit, they're just linking to phoronix again XD
markatto: all these sources citing each other, but not a single primary source
kloplop321: Sir_Brizz: ubuntu doesn't even release the updated firefox until hours later after the true release.
SimmyD: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_steam_announcement&num=1%22
SimmyD: this is freaking why
Sir_Brizz: kloplop321: I know, it sucks! but they at least have an updated ppa
jelso: OS NEWS CONFIRMED
dusty_fox: arch doesn't release an updated firefox until hours before the true release XD
DonScott: lol all they did was link back to phoronix
kloplop321: Sure
willwh: yah, fail
kloplop321: who haz ssds?
jelso: LINUX IS AN OS, STEAM CONFIRMED
Sir_Brizz: OS NEWS POSTS AND WORLDS END
markatto: the quality of internet reporting is going downhill
Sir_Brizz: THEN STEAM IS CONFIRMED
willwh: until I see an official announcement from valve
willwh: ppl can stfu
strace: willwh +1
markatto: ++
kloplop321: throws a taco at willwh as a +3
willwh: Sir_Brizz: wtf are you, a CS:S player? ;x
SimmyD: o god shouldnt have started THAT Again
Sir_Brizz: willwh: is that something a CS:S player would say?
willwh: certainly not :)
willwh: well, maybe
Sir_Brizz: THEN NO
Sir_Brizz: THEN MAYBE
DonScott: CS:S is awesome.....
DonScott: so is TF2
Sir_Brizz: counterstrike was good in 1999
strace: OMG! YOU ARE SUCH A N00B! <-- CS:S player
DonScott: and Left 4 Dead
Sir_Brizz: now it sucks donkey balls
kloplop321: just likes portal
willwh: darkfall.
strace: TF2, Portal, CSS, Borderlands <3
DonScott: Darkfall is pretty good too.
Sir_Brizz: heh
jelso: I like TF2, Portal, and Half-Life
Sir_Brizz: if there was a Borderlands for Linux I would crap my pants repeatedly
Sir_Brizz: in astonishment, of course
strace: Sir_Brizz: gotta wait on the Linux port of UT3.. so sometime after DNF gets released
Sir_Brizz: strace: LOL, it's probably already done and Epic is just waiting for the right moment to push the button
dusty_fox: DNF, then UT3 linux, THEN steam linux
Sir_Brizz: ;)
strace: Sir_Brizz: so when Linux gets steam?
Sir_Brizz: strace: maybe
jelso: DNF was finished, but 3d realms just kept it to itself
markatto: strace: nobody knows, now stfu
SimmyD: sttomorrow
Sir_Brizz: strace: or CliffyB retires
SimmyD: strace: tomorrow
jelso: ultimate proprietary sw
markatto: is going to get kicked
SimmyD: hahahaha
Sir_Brizz: hahahaha
SimmyD: but phoronix has confirmed it!
willwh: DonScott: you playing DF at all?
strace: markatto: ?
SimmyD: We are so grateful that Valve has finally publicly confirmed via the Telegraph
kloplop321: there is no OP in here?
willwh: I have been since EU1 release
strace: read the effing conversation :/
Sir_Brizz: guys
SimmyD: stif that was at me i am just taking shit out of it
SimmyD: strace*
Sir_Brizz: Call of Duty was just released on Steam
Sir_Brizz: in 2006
Sir_Brizz: :p
DonScott: nah, not anymore but i tryed out the free trial for Darkfall and I thought it was a pretty good game.
kloplop321: wants Deus Ex 3 to hit linux
Sir_Brizz: but seriously it's in the New Relesaes
dusty_fox: what? there's a deus ex 3?
markatto: heh deus ex
kloplop321: not out yet
Sir_Brizz: yes
jelso: starcraft 2 working at all with wine?
dusty_fox: i still need to play the first one...I have it somewhere around here
kloplop321: pretty much they want to act like the second game never happened
dusty_fox: jelso: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=19376
DonScott: it reminded me of playing Asherons Call on Darktide....without all the whining mages.
jelso: ty
willwh: it's vastly improved of late
DonScott: cool
willwh: I'm an op in their official irc channel
willwh: I play a fair whack... they had a gm run event the monday & tonight
willwh: ship battles
willwh: was a riot
DonScott: it was a little buggy when I played it last year but very playable
willwh: yeah - it's much improved - I think there is a 14 day trial atm
willwh: for "old players"
willwh: you could probs come back for 14 days and try it out for free
DonScott: does it have a linux client ?
willwh: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=244432
willwh: I had it running in crossover games - but it was pretty buggy
willwh: i'
willwh: it's a lot of DX10
willwh: only reason I keep a windows rig :/
willwh: much to my shame, but what can I say, I'm an addict
willwh: if you played on EU1 - you can transfer to the NA server for free
DonScott: yeah for that kinda game....you kinda need a native.
willwh: <<<
willwh: :P
DonScott: That source is a spy !
Sir_Brizz: SPIES LINUX CONFIRMED
DonScott: Spy sappin' mah source !
kloplop321: Does anyone particularly have blood dripping from their head right now?
jelso: I do not
DonScott: No.
monkeyslayer56: not at the moment...
kloplop321: darn it.
DonScott: are you doing evil voodoo magics or something ?
kloplop321: in order to get Steam to publish their support for linux :P
DeathCrawler: FreeBSD hackers will play with Steam 4 Linux? :)
DonScott: i don't think that would help...but ummm ok.
DonScott: you would probably be safer trying to psychically telling Gabe "If you build it, they will come." , you know without all the blood and stuff.
DonScott: and it would work just about the same
kloplop321: what ever.
DonScott: lol
kloplop321: voodoo allows room for insanity ;)
SimmyD: i want to go to there
SimmyD: sooo bad
kloplop321: to wonderland!
DonScott: arg......now compiz is buggin out on me brb
kloplop321: are you using compiz or compiz fusion?
DonScott: ummm
kloplop321: according to the official compiz website they are not the same
DonScott: whichever one lets me do the cylinder cube
DonScott: it works now
kloplop321: most likely fusion
DonScott: just rebooted
kloplop321: fast.
DonScott: ubuntu is fast
kloplop321: did you use sudo shutdown -r now?
kloplop321: that is faster :)
DonScott: no
DonScott: i'm a newb..... i have to use the gui
kloplop321: sends kill signal, syncs with the hard drive, and then sends signal to bios to reset
kloplop321: fastest wai evar.
kloplop321: except physical switch
kloplop321: but that is dangerous for FS
DonScott: yeah
DonScott: really shouldn't do that unless you have no other option
kloplop321: kernel panic ;-(
kloplop321: almost makes me want to cry irl
kloplop321: ok. done with my essay. Night.
DonScott: later
markatto: >>> Real Source?
markatto: File "", line 1
markatto: Real Source?
markatto: ^
markatto: SyntaxError: invalid syntax
markatto: ^^^ making fun of the topic and the fact that ">>>" is the python prompt
SimmyD: lol
DonScott: Wired has some cool stories
DonScott: aight...think i'm out for the night....cuz i'm tired
r4: .t
godofgrunts: .t to you too
r4: meant to be '/t' for topic :P
Sleepy_Coder: CONFIRMED CONFIRMED.
Sleepy_Coder: