ragix: Hmm, looks like there is another steam update today
Galaxy|: has anyone made a script for keeping track of the client updates?
Galaxy|: I am running under OSX and I have made one that keeps a repository for me and checks every 5 mins
Galaxy|: Valve usually sends out 2 updates each release day
Galaxy|: I've been working on reversing the client server authentication scheme so I can perform an client SOAP request to the Valve servers to get a better idea of their update process
Galaxy|: so far as I'm sure people have already noted that all files for back versions are stored on their servers
meGenius: what will you get from doing so, Galaxy|??
Galaxy|: i was thinking about putting together a steam update tracker
Galaxy|: similar to what has been done with the Wii
Galaxy|: http://wii.marcansoft.com/wiimpersonator/
bluekoala: cool
meGenius: did you get anything, Galaxy|??
Galaxy|: i've gotten every single manifest for each os since April 21
meGenius: that means you are on
Galaxy|: ive known about the linux distro for quite some time
Galaxy|: they've crippled it
Galaxy|: i've found mentions of what appear to be internal ip addresses
Galaxy|: im thinking they are just using their cdn as a distribution method for inhouse testing
Sir_Brizz: I doubt they've crippled it
Sir_Brizz: they just don't include necessary packages on the distribution network
Sir_Brizz: for obvious reasons
Galaxy|: yeah there are pieces missing
Galaxy|: that's for certain
Galaxy|: i have been able to successfully "create" Steam.app from any revision i choose
Galaxy|: since I predominately work in oSX
Galaxy|: OSX rather
Conan_Kudo: meh
Conan_Kudo: OSX fail
Sir_Brizz: does the OSX version include static libraries? or are those in the installer?
Conan_Kudo: is saying this from OSX
Galaxy|: yes it does
Sir_Brizz: on the cdn?
Galaxy|: the cdn has all the files necessary to make "Steam.app"
Galaxy|: from nothing
Sir_Brizz: ah
Sir_Brizz: yeah
Sir_Brizz: well it's clear that the Linux build needs work
theKraid: hello there, I heard there is something going on about a steam client for linus? :p
Sir_Brizz: although I think they probably have it running internally
Galaxy|: i know they have it running internally
theKraid: *linux
Galaxy|: its looking for an internal universe in libsteam
theKraid: who are "they"? :o
Galaxy|: Valve
Sir_Brizz: yeah but that doesn't impart knowledge :)
Galaxy|: sadly no
theKraid: hmm
Sir_Brizz: we assume they do, though
Conan_Kudo: in other news
Sir_Brizz: I've heard that they have Source fully running on Linux for several years, though
theKraid: maybe valve kind of works together with us indirectly?
Sir_Brizz: so I'm guessing they've had Steam for Linunx for several years also
Conan_Kudo: Source and Steam have been running on Linux since 2006, I believe
Galaxy|: sound reasonable yes
Sir_Brizz: I'd think even earlier than that
Sir_Brizz: I'm guessing that Source was built for all three platforms from the very beginning
theKraid: so you think that whatever is hosted on their servers has been there for a longer time than since the ui update?
Conan_Kudo: I know they were looking for OpenGL programmers and stuff in 2004
Conan_Kudo: Source forked Quake
Conan_Kudo: Quake originally worked on all three platforms
Conan_Kudo: Source dropped all three platforms fairly quickly
Sir_Brizz: are you sure?
Conan_Kudo: weel
Conan_Kudo: two of the platforms
Sir_Brizz: I thought quake got ported after theyu released the source
Conan_Kudo: Windows was kept
Conan_Kudo: no, I don't think so
Conan_Kudo: remember, there was a huge mess about it
Conan_Kudo: the source code for Quake was leaked accidentally
Conan_Kudo: and the guy ported it to OpenGL and Linux
Conan_Kudo: instead of suing him
Conan_Kudo: they hired him
meGenius: Conan_Kudo: because that's the right thing
Sir_Brizz: In 1996, there was a port of Quake to Linux. Its developer used the Quake source code without license, and patches were submitted back to id Software before it became an official port, though it was not until 1999 that a retail version for Linux was distributed by Macmillan Digital Publishing USA in a bundle with the two add-ons as Quake: The Offering for Linux.
Conan_Kudo: Mr Carmack made the commitment to eventually open source every revision of the Quake and DOOM engines at that point
Conan_Kudo: later, Mr Carmack got involved in an effort to improve OpenGL support on Linux
Conan_Kudo: the Utah GLX project
Sir_Brizz: http://utah-glx.sourceforge.net/
Sir_Brizz: lol it's still there
Conan_Kudo: it's dead though
Sir_Brizz: yeah
Sir_Brizz: last update 2003
Conan_Kudo: its successor is the DRI project
Sir_Brizz: yeah
Conan_Kudo: and that project is dying
Conan_Kudo: because the DRI2 and Gallium projects are replacing it
Conan_Kudo: it was because of Mr Carmack that ATI released specs for the R100 and R200 cards I think
Conan_Kudo: and nVidia had contributed a basic 3D driver to the Utah GLX project too, I think
Conan_Kudo: of course, its long been obfuscated
Conan_Kudo: and the ATI driver doesn't even matter anymore
Galaxy|: disassembling libsteam.dylib ought to be interesting
Galaxy|: lots of goodies in there like the -offline flag too
Galaxy|: anyone tried that one?
Sir_Brizz: nah
Sir_Brizz: I can't even get the main window up
Sir_Brizz: I just get three tiny rectangles
Sir_Brizz: I've tried -login and -applaunch
meGenius: i don't know what is that, Galaxy| :D
Galaxy|: you can "stage" an update by making a folder called "package" and putting the steam_client_linux file in there with a .manifest extension and its zips
Galaxy|: that might at least get it past the update check
Galaxy|: on osx it also has a file called sec..
Sir_Brizz: I can get past there
Sir_Brizz: in steam.cfg you just set the universe
Conan_Kudo: >_>
Galaxy|: yeah hosting a local universe would be the best idea
meGenius: Galaxy|: i think you should tell (mastertheknife) about that...
Conan_Kudo: 13 hours left on the Humble Indie Bundle
Conan_Kudo: and we're nearly at $860,000
Galaxy|: there's still something missing though
meGenius: Conan_Kudo: i got for 2 dollars :P
Conan_Kudo: good for you :)
Conan_Kudo: now SPREAD the WORD
meGenius: i told those i know
meGenius: but nobldy cares :D
meGenius: nobody*
Conan_Kudo: :'(
theKraid: a friend of mine got it, and I already own all the games, I mean like, before the indie bundle came out :p
meGenius: theKraid: you paid 80 dollars :D
theKraid: others here in germany dont give a f- about pc stuff :|
Conan_Kudo: it's for Mac and Linux too
Conan_Kudo: SUPPORT LINUX GAMING!
Conan_Kudo: bounces around like Mr. Crocker
meGenius: find who supports linux itself first :P
theKraid: penumbra, world of goo and gish were on sale a few times in steam :p
Conan_Kudo: Penumbra, Gish, and Lugaru HD go OSS if the $1mil goal is reached
meGenius: REALLY
meGenius: i didn't know that!!
Galaxy|: Sir_Brizz: would you like my back manifests?
Conan_Kudo: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=irc_viewer&d=2010-05-10
Conan_Kudo: search for my nick name and read from there
Conan_Kudo: all the info is there :D
Galaxy|: ive got them all the way back to 1271984910
meGenius: Conan_Kudo: i announced that @ #fedora :P
Conan_Kudo: you did?
meGenius: THEY BANNED ME :$
meGenius: f*ck fadbot
espes: Galaxy|: Can you grab a copy of the linux binaries from March 10th?
Galaxy|: no
Galaxy|: i wasnt watching that lon
Galaxy|: long*
Galaxy|: without the manifest for that date
Galaxy|: there's not much i can do
Galaxy|: files are stored with an appended sha1sum
Galaxy|: so that doesn't help my case
meGenius: Galaxy|: create a script that downloads starting from manifest 1
meGenius: & then you'll get them all :P
Galaxy|: they don't save back manifests
Galaxy|: at least not to my knowledge
theKraid: gotta go off, see you in a while
meGenius: Galaxy|: try a bigger number
Galaxy|: trust me i have
meGenius: you tried that??
Galaxy|: ?date=?
meGenius: i'm not very interested in grabbing old versions
meGenius: but it maybe helpful for those who asks about it ;)
Galaxy|: there simply isn't a way to do that
Galaxy|: not from outside the cdn
Galaxy|: they don't host back manifest files
Galaxy|: at least i've been unable to find the name of such a file
meGenius: i see!
espes: meGenius: It's the last time a complete build of the linux client was made
meGenius: i wasn't following steam news, i was too busy in the last weeks
Galaxy|: espes: do you know the "version" of that steam_client_linux?
espes: Galaxy|: no
espes: ohh, mastertheknife did some updating of the pad
meGenius: espes: yeah!
Galaxy|: ?
meGenius: android is doing well
meGenius: http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/05/10/its-hip-to-be-square-meet-the-motorola-flipout/
espes: Galaxy|: http://openetherpad.org/ep/pad/view/0UmBOBf27q/latest
meGenius: http://blogs.computerworld.com/16083/sun_open_source_reborn_in_forgerock
meGenius: go to hell, oracle :D
meGenius: http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2010/05/why-games-dont-get-ported-to-linuxa.html
Galaxy|: bbiaf
Megagun: I blame PulseAudio. :P
meGenius: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmf0ugQrDFk&feature=player_embedded#!
meGenius: what's you opinion about the game??
mastertheknife: hey espes
espes: mastertheknife: hey
mastertheknife: espes: About fonts, have you seen the function CScheme::LoadFonts() ?
espes: mastertheknife: I've concluded it's rendering the fonts corretly
espes: It's just not drawing the textures correctly
mastertheknife: espes: It seems to return 0, but it doesn't return directly, it has a jmp in the end to ReloadFontGlyphs, which returns 0
espes: See CLinuxFont::GetStringRGBA
espes: The fonts render fine as far as I can tell
mastertheknife: espes: So mis-rendering hiddes them ?
espes: mastertheknife: I think so
mastertheknife: espes: Also, i never seen any XDrawText or XDrawString calls in the client
mastertheknife: maybe it uses another way to put fonts
espes: mastertheknife: fonts are rendered to textures and drawn with opengl
espes: FT_Load_Char
mastertheknife: just woke up ill check very soon
Xenden: Hi all!
Xenden: any news about the linux steam client?
mastertheknife: no not really
Xenden: I read yesterdy somewhere, there was some updates yesterday... it isn't true?
meGenius: Xenden: everyday there's an update
meGenius: but it doesn't help you :P
Xenden: so they working on the linux client and the mac client at the same time?
meGenius: Xenden: in fact, the linux client is a game for them now, the big progress is being make for the mac
meGenius: made*
Xenden: thx for the info
meGenius: btw, you can refer to the IRC logs for chacking the updates, Xenden
meGenius: checking*
meGenius: is facing typing difficulties today :P
Xenden: where?
meGenius: www.phronix.com
meGenius: & go to: IRC
Xenden: oh, i don't see it. :) thanks
meGenius: u r welcome :)
Galaxy|: google spiders have begun indexing manifest files
Galaxy|: :)
Galaxy|: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=1&tbs=qdr:m&q=+site:store.steampowered.com+steam_client_linux&ei=IhLpS56tCY7iswPqx53VBw&sa=X&oi=manybox&resnum=2&ct=all-results&ved=0CAMQqAQwAg
meGenius: one day you'll find google spiders indexing the items at your home :P
Galaxy|: yes
Galaxy|: :P
Xenden: Galaxy|: And why it is good for us? :)
Galaxy|: because it lets us know filenames ;)
Galaxy|: there is no way in hell we can bruteforce all possible sha1 sums in order to test if a file there exists
Galaxy|: its a pretty good distribution scheme to use such things in the filenames
meGenius: i still bet that bruteforcing can help ;)
Galaxy|: meGenius: go ahead and try throwing random sha1 sums into the filename and wgetting it
Galaxy|: you have something like a 1 in 36^4096! possible combinations
meGenius: & that's why i'm not going to do so
meGenius: because i don't have the computer that can help me doing so
Galaxy|: interestingly enough
espes: Galaxy|: know anything about openGL?
Galaxy|: Valve did remove a file from their CDN
Galaxy|: bins_linux.zip.dc36f31374267ad4a740762a6cf1925ed30bcab9
Galaxy|: doesn't exist anymore
Galaxy|: and I have searched for the last half hour about to see if anyone cached said file
jumbers: If you bruteforce the sums, you will freak the hell out of Valve's IT and they will assume you're trying to take down their site
Galaxy|: yep
jumbers: So please don't attempt that
Galaxy|: you could be gentle and use a php script that only returns and http code
mastertheknife: Galaxy|: whats that old file?
Galaxy|: yes
jumbers: Also, anybody hosting an old version of that file would be doing so illegally
mastertheknife: jumbers: hey
jumbers: mastertheknife: Hola
jumbers: Any new developments?
jumbers: I see the bins and such have been updated once again
Galaxy|: yes
Galaxy|: 5:34PM
Galaxy|: client revision 1273538024
mastertheknife: just steamclient.so, like the previous update
jumbers: Hmm
mastertheknife: steamclient.so is used by dedicated servers
jumbers: The public_all.zip was updated too
jumbers: Which is mostly interface stuff
jumbers: That makes me assume it's Mac client related though
mastertheknife: Yeah, most likely
espes: mastertheknife: CScheme::LoadFonts returns fine for me
mastertheknife: it doesn't return, it jmps to ReloadFontGlyphs
jumbers: It'll be out tomorrow, Valve time, so I guess the moment of truth can't be too far off, for an announcement
meGenius: espes: are you working around to render the fonts??
espes: meGenius: I'm trying to figure out why fonts don't render
mastertheknife: and ReloadFontGlyphs is the one returning
Galaxy|: well I am glad to see people are making progress, good luck guys.
mastertheknife: hey jumbers i fixed 2 case sensitive issues yesterday
jumbers: Oh?
mastertheknife: http://openetherpad.com/ep/pad/view/0UmBOBf27q/latest
espes: mastertheknife: yeah, but I mean it doesn't return 0 :\
mastertheknife: oh
jumbers: mastertheknife: How much displays now?
espes: Gah, textures seem to be drawn with the same method that draws the backgrounds, so no idea why they are not drawing properly :\
mastertheknife: espes: weird, anyway, in LoadFonts breakpoint, press s and then print eax.. it was 0 here
mastertheknife: espes: maybe the layers
mastertheknife: maybe the font is being drawn as the bottom layer
espes: mastertheknife: no, they are drawing. They are the cause of the graphical corruption you see
mastertheknife: jumbers: what do you mean displays? the client? you can get to the main window..
jumbers: With no fonts, right?
mastertheknife: yeah no fonts
mastertheknife: espes: They are the cause?? you sure?
espes: mastertheknife: I think those triangles are the font textures
espes: Pretty much guessing, though
giselher: ICD
giselher: oops
christian_lappy: moring mastertheknife
mastertheknife: morning christian_lappy
espes: Actually, those triangles are button backgrounds
espes: May be caused by the same thing, though
mastertheknife: I see that before the login dialog is being drawed, the program spends some time in libfontconfig
espes: ?
mastertheknife: it uses two font related libraries, libfreetype (where FT_Load_Char is in) and libfontconfig
mastertheknife: ill try checking both
espes: ok, the broken button backgrounds are caused because vgui::COpenGLSurface::DrawGradientFilledRect is broken
mastertheknife: espes: nice.. any more progress ?
espes: mastertheknife: no, homework -_-
Conan_Kudo: 真実はいつも一つ！
Kano: michaellarabel:
Kano: checking phoronix-test-suite.diff:
Kano: 50 files changed, 708 insertions(+), 1484 deletions(-)
Kano: hi Deanjo
Kano: did you try a new kernel yet?
NigeyUK: rar
NigeyUK: so what did they update? lol
NigeyUK: ello Modplan , christian_lappy
Modplan: ello
NigeyUK: brb jumping on desktop
NigeyUK: meh
christian_lappy: muh NigeyUK
NigeyUK: boo
NigeyUK: latest update hasnt changed much
christian_lappy: the steqm updae ?
NigeyUK: aye
christian_lappy: yesterday update ?
NigeyUK: yeah, i jus woke up and theres been an update overnight
christian_lappy: ah
christian_lappy: which files ?
NigeyUK: had a feeling there would be
NigeyUK: looks like steamclient.so again
christian_lappy: sever part isn't it ?
NigeyUK: not checked the rest, but vgui and steamui are still not changed
christian_lappy: we need linux webkit
christian_lappy: damn
NigeyUK: would make sense its a server update, if they bring the mac client out on time tomorrow they'll want them talking correctly to the servers
Kano: well torrorow mac beta is public or so
christian_lappy: yeah, surely
Kano: most likely they have lots to do with it
christian_lappy: sure
NigeyUK: yup, i do get some res errors that didnt exist b4 the update mind
NigeyUK: and theyre ui related
christian_lappy: hopefully linux private beat is somehow newat
NigeyUK: but i was screwing with fonts so could be that
christian_lappy: more likely
NigeyUK: espes!
espes: NigeyUK: I had to reboot
christian_lappy: uhhh
NigeyUK: ouch
christian_lappy: rebooting+
NigeyUK: you had chance to fiddle with the update ?
christian_lappy: new kernel ?
NigeyUK: i think its jus steamclient.so again ?
NigeyUK: CellID: Connecting to 209.197.4.186:27031. . .
NigeyUK: KeyValues::SaveToFile: couldn't open file "SteamAppData.vdf" in path "CONFIG".
NigeyUK: CellID: Connect to 209.197.4.186:27031 took 151 MS
NigeyUK: that is definately a new error
christian_lappy: is the file there ?
NigeyUK: checking, not sure where it would be
christian_lappy: i'm off for a whule..my wife wants to go shopping...with ME
NigeyUK: oh .. have fun :p catchya later dudey
christian_lappy: cu guys
Modplan: damn...Thought it was gonna work then without patch. only got to same blank steam window again
NigeyUK: lol
NigeyUK: let me know if you get that vdf error
Modplan: consistently gets to blank steam window and doesn't make mouse disappear any more
Modplan: is this new?
Modplan: inputlinux.cpp (1978) : Assertion Failed: !"CInputLinux::GetShouldInvertCompositionString impl"
Modplan: inputlinux.cpp (1978) : Assertion Failed: !"CInputLinux::GetShouldInvertCompositionString impl"
NigeyUK: yup
mastertheknife: dont think so
mastertheknife: the update didnt change gui related code
NigeyUK: mastertheknife, u been getting this vdf error to ?
Kano: Modplan: did you enable compiz
Modplan: yeah
mastertheknife: no not that i can tell
NigeyUK: hm
NigeyUK: SteamAppData.vdf
mastertheknife: i hope the next update from valve will be big
Kano: do you really think they work on it when the mac client is available for public use soon?
mastertheknife: I think that shortly after releasing it they will work on the linux one
Kano: maybe later
NigeyUK: i think theyre doing them in parallel
Modplan: I would assume mac client is mostly done. Public beta may be for show & just in case type thing
Kano: because thats still no final
Kano: tomorrow for public beta was the plan
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: No, but maybe they did them in parallel until it was decided to release linux after mac
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: the files didn't really change in 2 months
NigeyUK: true, and the main files havent changed in a while
Kano: they have a dedicated server part
NigeyUK: a few still dated to march
Kano: mostly they only changed the shared files
NigeyUK: maybe my email to alfred yesterday will get a reply who knows..lol
mastertheknife: the main program files (including gui) were compiled on 10th march, and in saturday's update we got files that were compiled on may, but those files are barely any different. in 2 months they could have done much much more
Kano: not dan?
NigeyUK: true
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: if you email alfred and dan, link him to this, includes some bugs in their code: http://openetherpad.com/ep/pad/view/0UmBOBf27q/latest
NigeyUK: i have
NigeyUK: and i asked very nicely .. in a discrete way to fix the dam fonts..lol
NigeyUK: or at least a hint as to why they wont work
NigeyUK: i was very careful about what i said, knowing he cant say anything publicly
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: you emailed both? :)
NigeyUK: alfred, dan, and gabe .. but you jus know it's not gonna get to gabe lol
mastertheknife: hehe at least you tried :)
NigeyUK: dammit give me 5 minutes on their dev server ill soon have fonts working for ya lol
NigeyUK: tbh i dont expect a reply, and id rather he was coding than reading my email, but its worth a shot, just to get valve to admit its being worked on would be something
Kano: most likely it is nda
NigeyUK: ill sign 1 lol
Kano: that nobody will hear anything from me
Kano: em
Kano: ;)
NigeyUK: if anything a simple "yes we're working on it" would be such a boost to the linux guys
Kano: i am sure they know this
Kano: just that mac is 1st priority
Kano: then apple has to do a bit more
Kano: they do parts of the opengl drivers, but they are slower than the windows ones...
Modplan: http://bit.ly/dbtPPV screenshot w/o patch (crashes just after)
NigeyUK: apparently performance on the mac is horrible
NigeyUK: especially the 9400m's
Kano: you pay extra money to get a mac and then you install win on it to get more speed, yeah ;)
Modplan: bad performance supposedly related to openGL regression
Kano: i think they base on stone age driver code
NigeyUK: Modplan, same as what i get before the vgui patch
NigeyUK: lol kano wouldnt surprise me, apple devs have to actually do some work now, shame eh :p
Kano: i saw benchmarks of their latest i7 dual laptop
Kano: opengl performance was worse than the system before
NigeyUK: dam thats not good
NigeyUK: where is opengl at nowadays with regards to V4 ?
mastertheknife: unlike Mac, linux already got good opengl
Kano: NigeyUK: they use nvidia gt330m
Kano: thats opengl 3.3
mastertheknife: Modplan: the reason you get a black window is because the program can't find the .res files, this was patched.
NigeyUK: ahhh
NigeyUK: and yes opengl has always been great on linux, as far back as i can remember, and thats pretty far..
Kano: dx11 could not be that fast on linux i guess ;)
mastertheknife: OpenGL 4.0 is way ahead of dx11
mastertheknife: OpenGL 4.0 was set to compete with dx12 and later
Kano: ahead?
Kano: i dont think so
NigeyUK: heh dx12 .. is that even half way finished yet, wasnt there some huge holdup ?
mastertheknife: DirectX being better than OpenGL is microsoft's brainwash to keep developers coding for Windows only
Kano: especially when you know that ati+nvidia tune dx11 games in the driver (selected by app name)
Modplan: not to mention hold DirectX for specific windows versions as a cheap way to claim new features
Kano: nvidia needs sli profiles too for each game
Kano: must be really fun for em
Kano: i think they partly replace shader code with optimized ones
NigeyUK: the flipside of this linux client though ..
NigeyUK: its biund to force amd/nvidia to make better drivers for linux
NigeyUK: bound*
NigeyUK: so thats another positive
mastertheknife: Notice that all cross-platform games (e.g. world of goo), their windows version is OpenGL
NigeyUK: yups
mastertheknife: So once linux and mac get a gaming push, directx will be way less used, no point in creating directx engine for windows and opengl engine for linux and mac
mastertheknife: when they can use opengl for all 3 platforms
NigeyUK: the only thing i can say against that is this ..
NigeyUK: with directx, you code for the entire system, sound, video, input, kinda all in 1
NigeyUK: with opengl its just gfx, then they have to figure out the sound etc
mastertheknife: They can continue use DirectInput and DirectSound for windows
somename: directx sucks, yeah
mastertheknife: but i was talking about 3D
NigeyUK: i think thats half the problem, especially for lazy devs
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: There is OpenAL for windows, not just for linux
NigeyUK: i still l ike my idea though .. lock a bunch of devs in a room and say opengl only, osx, linux and windows, you have 6 months, and i bet you they could come up with a game better than what it would be in direct3d
NigeyUK: and that would piss on the parade of people who say it can't be done
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: "OpenAL is a cross-platform 3D audio API appropriate for use with gaming applications and many other types of audio applications"
Modplan: just tried with patch and it works, though other windows don't render properly
mastertheknife: Did you know that many successful game engines such as the Unreal engine use OpenAL?
DarkDefender: wouldnt they strave to death first NigeyUK?
NigeyUK: lol we'd feed them dude ;)
DarkDefender: D:
Modplan: Corrupt JPEG data: 57 extraneous bytes before marker 0xdb
NigeyUK: and yes openal within the unreal engine kicks ass
Modplan: got about several million of those
mastertheknife: Modplan: Its not the patch that makes those errors and corrupt dialogs.. its the client
mastertheknife: Modplan: you can rename public/SteamLoginDialog.res to lowercase and then you wont need the patch maybe, you can try
somename: did steam got a update today?
mastertheknife: somename: just steamclient.so like in last few days
Akendo: :D
Akendo: Moin moin
Modplan: matertheknife: What you suggested worked. It could bring up visual of login window (with input boxes partially drawn), but crashes at usual place
Kano: Modplan: did you expect that you can play a game?
Modplan: well no
mastertheknife: Modplan: thats why there is the patch.. the crash comes from a font function which is called with a NULL pointer so we bypassed it
mastertheknife: you can see here
mastertheknife: http://openetherpad.com/ep/pad/view/0UmBOBf27q/latest
NigeyUK: ello Akendo
NigeyUK: mastertheknife, i was thinking about the fonts last night, if they dont use X11 to render the fonts, would they shove their own renderer in the ui ?
Kano: they heavly work on mac, latest binary from yesterday..
Kano: osx has got 3 binaries btw
Kano: gameoverlayui and ipcserver additionally
NigeyUK: 3 :|
NigeyUK: libtier0_s.so
NigeyUK: whats this 1 ?
Kano: well you can extract osx the same way as linux, also win32
NigeyUK: yeah kano i read through some of them yesterday, dam mac code
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: from what espes told me, they convert the fonts to textures and render them with opengl
espes: mastertheknife: they render text to RGBA arrays, which they render to openGL textures, which they blit
NigeyUK: ahhh.. thats a funky way to do it mind
mastertheknife: I wish i knew some OpenGL then
NigeyUK: i wish that cpp file would turn up in my email .. lol
giselher: I cannot move the steam window outside of the screen. Is that normal behaviour?
Deanjo: Kano http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=deanjo-5648-24586-32572
Kano: ok, will run my system against it
NigeyUK: hmm how on earth do i get sound in alien arena? :|
Deanjo: gives 10:1 odds it's a pulse audio issue
GNU\colossus: Deanjo: does that kernel already carry the fix for AMD's "Turbo Mode" (or whatever it's called)?
Deanjo: Yes, it was backported to 11.2's kernel
Deanjo: all 6 patches
NigeyUK: ------- sound initialization -------
NigeyUK: dlopen() on libopenal.so.1 failed
NigeyUK: Sound failed: Unable to start OpenAL.
NigeyUK: Game will continue without sound.
NigeyUK: dammit
Kvisle: do you have libopenal.so.1?
NigeyUK: no, ubuntu uses pulseaudio
Deanjo: you still need openal installed
NigeyUK: aw dammit
GNU\colossus: Deanjo: thanks.
Deanjo: np, the kernel update should roll out via the updater in suse sometime this week
Deanjo: I grabbed it off the build server
SimmyD: evening all
SimmyD: any awesome crazy news?
Modplan: SimmyD: I've been playing Linux native Team Fortress 2 through the steam client for the past 5 hours!
Kvisle: bazinga?
Deanjo: Seems like when turbo mode is used you get about a 10% increase on single threaded apps, when running multithreaded apps you get about 1.5 so it's pretty much bang on expected results over a 955BE
Deanjo: 1.5x
NigeyUK: Modplan, lmao
SimmyD: Modplan: hahaha
SimmyD: Modplan: dont be a tease :P
meGenius: Modplan: DAMN! :D
meGenius: Modplan: i beleived you for a moment :D
SimmyD: i WANTED to believe
meGenius: :D
Modplan: lulz, I couldn't resist. I'm waiting for michael to make a news post with that quote
asciiwolf: hello
somename: chuck norris played every game native on linux
Modplan: "Steam is definitely here for Linux!"
meGenius: SimmyD: me & you will still dreaming in that for the whole month :P
SimmyD: hahaha
SimmyD: sigh
meGenius: the humble indie package, 7 hours to go. total raised: $896,064
meGenius: whoever didn't buy the package please buy it :)
SimmyD: does it finish in 7 hours?
mastertheknife: lol 100,000 to go for open source
meGenius: yup!
SimmyD: shit
SimmyD: ok getting it now
meGenius: i'm afraid we will not reach that :(
meGenius: btw, the package now is 6 games instead of 5
SimmyD: what would have happened if it reached 1m?>
meGenius: three games will be open-source
SimmyD: ahhhh
somename: which?
asciiwolf: valve released new steam update...
meGenius: Gish, Lugara & Penumbra
asciiwolf: does anybody know what files were updated in today's update?
somename: source?
NigeyUK: asciiwolf, just the steamclient.so
meGenius: asciiwolf: when does steam released that??
asciiwolf: meGenius, dunno
mastertheknife: updated the pad a little espes: http://openetherpad.com/ep/pad/export/0UmBOBf27q/latest?format=html
mastertheknife: :)
meGenius: somename: it's now closed source, if the contributions reached 1m, the three games will be opensource
mastertheknife: I doubt they will reach
mastertheknife: but they better
meGenius: in about 1 minute $700 raised
GNU\colossus: meGenius: which license will those games be released under?
meGenius: GNU\colossus: dunno.
meGenius: http://forums.wolfire.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6313&start=0
GNU\colossus: no matter; there's a chance my gf actually likes that "Penumbra"-adventure on their list.
GNU\colossus: so I just "invested" ;)
meGenius: GNU\colossus: don't wait, gift'er :P
GNU\colossus: their server's undr heavy load right now, it seems
meGenius: yeah!
meGenius: everyone wants to buy the bundle
meGenius: not 4 the games, but 4 the source :P
Nevtus: Penumbra is awesome, I got the whole pack for $5 (there is a code for it when you install Overture)
mastertheknife: Oh.. nice :)
GNU\colossus: let's see if my request makes it thru this time ;)
GNU\colossus: nope - 500
GNU\colossus: ah, there we go
meGenius: error 500??
GNU\colossus: yup, their http service is probably crapping out right now
GNU\colossus: anyway, 25US$ it is
Nevtus: it's pretty amazing how much the Humble Bundle has managed to make in only a week
mastertheknife: Yeah they probably didn't expect such success
meGenius: the amazing is that it made the biggest amount in the last two days only :)
GNU\colossus: I guess I'll grab the games once their loads drop :)
Nevtus: it's also nice that 1/4 of the money has came from Linux users
mastertheknife: Yeah, more than mac users
mastertheknife: 1/4 means linux users payed a total of around $232,000
mastertheknife: paid*
Nevtus: it certainly blows away that silly myth that Linux is only for people that don't want to buy things
mastertheknife: ah my bad, $224,000 :)
meGenius: if the rate of contributions still the same, we just need 6 hours to reach the 1m
mastertheknife: will they reach it :|
meGenius: we are waiting :)
Nevtus: have any of the devs confirmed that the open source offer was still planned though? It could have been an idea that was planned but dropped yet still was in the video
meGenius: come on guys, write about it in twitter & facebook, encourage everbody to buy it to be opensource
meGenius: Nevtus: i don't think they will lie
meGenius: the video is clear: 1m & three games will be opensource
Nevtus: I did not mean that, the text that was in the video is not on the site as it went live
Kano: i want to earn 1 mio $ too, sadly nobody wants to buy kanotix ;)
meGenius: i hope youare wrong, Nevtus :P
meGenius: Kano: what is this??
Nevtus: I hope I'm wrong
Kano: meGenius: my distro
Kano: and you can be sure it is fast...
meGenius: :D
meGenius: mandriva is falling guys
meGenius: is there any mandriva guy here??
mastertheknife: lol mandriva
mastertheknife: I once tried mandrake 8 and 9
mastertheknife: it was nice distro actually
Kano: speed is defintely no kanotix problem...
meGenius: mastertheknife: i love that distro
meGenius: & i suggest it to all linux-newbies
mastertheknife: that was long time ago though
Milyardo: Though I am fairly certain Kano is the only person on this planet smart enough to use Kanotix :)
mastertheknife: I feel like trying kubuntu and arch just for fun. I will probably never switch from gentoo
meGenius: Kano: what are the features of your distro??
SimmyD: arg stop teasing me with gentoo talk
somename: really... try arch. it rocks
giselher: cracked 900 000 USD
mastertheknife: some opengl dude just took a look at a screenshot of the login dialog i sent him
mastertheknife: he said they have the Z axis wrong
Kano: meGenius: it currently uses debian lenny as base, so you can still use kde 3.5, which is faster than kde 4.x, also i tune ubuntu kernels with bfs/ck patches and have got scripts for latest 3d drivers
Ivanovic: mastertheknife: any new relevations that i missed?
Kano: also scripts for mplayer, vlc, xbmc
Ivanovic: the frist steam games running natively?
Ivanovic: ;)
mastertheknife: The fonts are also rendered with opengl, it is possible that they have lowest Z axis and therefore hidden.. no idea though
mastertheknife: somename: Yeah i should try arch someday :)
mastertheknife: somename: I heard its a lot like gentoo but no compiling
somename: yep
somename: i like it
Nevtus: it doesn't _require_ compiling
mastertheknife: Ivanovic: no not really..
Nevtus: you can easily use the AUR for compiling stuff or installing binaries not in the main repos
giselher: You can compile everything with abs in arch.
giselher: do `abs && makeworld` and you have your system compiled
Kano: meGenius: its possible that kanotix does not will every bench with pts because of slighly older gcc but
Kano: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=kano-11623-26178-18490
Kano: that was a live mode comparision
Kano: pts live against kanotix 64 live
Kano: lame was slightly slower
Kano: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=kano-8994-1025-25169
Kano: but without any 3d effects enabled kde 3.5 feels much snappier
mastertheknife: I moved from KDE 3.5.10 to KDE 4.3.5 less than 10 days ago.. i can't look back now
mastertheknife: KDE4 is also much more stable, KDE 3.5 applications crashed more often
Kano: most likely you get used to slowless ;)
Nevtus: you don't get much snappier than a nice tiling WM
mastertheknife: what slowness.. nvidia card and core2, everything feels very smooth
Kano: well kde4 animations take some time
giselher: mastertheknife: Is there a way to change the Z axis?
SimmyD: aaaaand paid
Ivanovic: Kano: you can turn off any animation that you don't want
mastertheknife: giselher: I dont know OpenGL programming, but if someone knows, its really not hard to set a breakpoint on the opengl functions and modify their parameters
Kano: Ivanovic: sure, but why?
Kano: when you just can use kde 3.5
Ivanovic: maybe if things "feel" to slow for you and you want it to feel more snappy?
Ivanovic: over here both, kde3.5 and 4.4 are basically similar regarding how snappy they feel
SimmyD: do i have to download them now
mastertheknife: Ivanovic: same (but kde 4.3.5), I didn't turn off any animation etc
SimmyD: or do i still have access after the 6 hours lol
giselher: mastertheknife: You could try a simple * (-1) for the params :)
mastertheknife: giselher: i don't know what functions to breakpoint on
Ivanovic: SimmyD: regarding what is written in the mails the downloads should be available for some time
Ivanovic: SimmyD: no idea how long though
mastertheknife: need opengl programmer :P
SimmyD: Ivanovic: ahh just got the email all good
SimmyD: :) its nearly bed time and i wont be able to pull them down till tomorrow
Nevtus: they'll leave the links live for a while I'd think
Nevtus: enough time to make your own backups
SimmyD: oooooor release them on steam :D
SimmyD: hehe
Nevtus: I think most of the games are on steam
SimmyD: ahh
SimmyD: just had a thought
SimmyD: do you think valve would let free games like openarena and stuff onto steam for free?
SimmyD: so everyone could get them and keep them updated in one place
Nevtus: maybe, it'd be good PR if they did
SimmyD: yea
Nevtus: but openarena and others like it already have Windows clients, why haven't they done it already
SimmyD: have openarena and the like asked?
Nevtus: no idea
SimmyD: it would also increase the library for linux at launch
SimmyD: ;)
Nevtus: I'd imagine most of their fan base are linux users
Nevtus: they seem to be the usual fans of open source games
Nevtus: unsurprisingly
Morten_: With the steam client coming to Linux - will Valve's games also be available, native, on linux?
Nevtus: if an offical steam client happens, yes
Morten_: cool
mastertheknife: Morten_: All valve's Source games (including L4D, L4D2) and some other games
Morten_: mastertheknife, ahh that is very nice
Nevtus: you'd also be able to buy other games with linux clients easily like Id games
Modplan: closed beta users got free access to Portal for testing
Modplan: wander if they'll do that for open beta
Morten_: Think it is very exiting that they HOPEFULLY will come with an official steam client
mastertheknife: so far no offical announcement
mastertheknife: :/
giselher: I created a steam account for the case they will really release steam on linux, but 0 friends :(
Morten_: mastertheknife, but the bits and piece found in the mac steam client does indicate that a steam client for linux ain't unrealistic?
giselher: I need at least one game to add a friend, weird
mastertheknife: Morten_: you are not updated, there is a linux client that runs and logins
Morten_: ohhh
Morten_: im _NOT_ updated, thats for sure!
mastertheknife: Morten_: but its far from complete, no fonts, etc
Nevtus: you can message people through steam too
Morten_: okay
Nevtus: but you can't read the text...
Morten_: but, wow!
mastertheknife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTgqdlA_jE8
mastertheknife: Morten that video was made by a user of this channel
SimmyD: thinks Morten_ is actually a valve worker having some fun ;)
SimmyD: hehe
giselher: are there some free games on steam?
mastertheknife: Morten_: http://i.imgur.com/qwPSx.jpg on my computer
mastertheknife: lol
mastertheknife: SimmyD: lol!
Morten_: thanks for the video :D
Morten_: hehe and no, im no valve worker :p
SimmyD: haha :P just playing
Morten_: just exited to see games flowing into the linux desktop
Morten_: :D
SimmyD: just like the rest of us here ;)
SimmyD: its very exciting
Nevtus: if Steam comes, it could be the last roadblock for many normal users to jumpship from Windows
mastertheknife: yeah
mastertheknife: I only play steam games nowdays
somename: i agree
Morten_: true statement
Nevtus: it could also mean DRM on Linux happens :(
mastertheknife: I got sick of EA games, pure crap. Valve updates even a 11 year old game like CS
mastertheknife: I was really suprised when they added widescreen support to CS 1-2 years ago
Morten_: CS is the only game to play anyway :p
Nevtus: CS runs in wine already :P
mastertheknife: and to the whole HL1 engine in general
Morten_: Nevtus, yeah, but that ain't the point :D
mastertheknife: Yeah i play CS 1.6 through wine
mastertheknife: native would be better though
mastertheknife: could use the ingame steam overlay, etc
Nevtus: pity Blizzard have no public plans for Linux support, I want to play Starcraft 2 (flawlessly outside Wine)
mastertheknife: Maybe after valve doing the move, they will see there is a market
Nevtus: maybe
Morten_: I was actually wondering - how different is a Mac OSX system compared with a Linux system? - Im thinking of the fact that WoW runs natively on a mac, but not on linux?
Nevtus: but it'd be a while after the launch of the Windows/Mac versions
Nevtus: apparently they have/had native WoW clients for Linux
Nevtus: managment told them to kill it
mastertheknife: People should stop buying windows games, when you buy a windows game, your purchase counts as windows even if you run it through wine
Morten_: really? :(
mastertheknife: I refuse to buy any Blizzard game.
mastertheknife: Morten_: Let me tell you.. when WoW was in beta, they had a linux client of it
mastertheknife: Morten_: but they dropped it during the beta
bluekoala: Warcraft 3 was an insult to me
Nevtus: mastertheknife: I'm not buying Starcraft 2 dispite waiting over a DECADE for it
Morten_: That totally sux! :(
Nevtus: *despite
Morten_: I didn't know that .. And now it makes me kinda angry that I played alot of money to play WOW..
Morten_: payed*
Nevtus: yup, but things change. Blizzard could u-turn if Valve shows them the light
Ivanovic: i'll consider buying SC2 *if* there is a native linux client and the copy protection is sane and not cripplingme
bluekoala: I blame it on Donald trump
Ivanovic: (and of course the ratio of price/game have to be okay, too)
Morten_: hands valve a high intensity laser to use on Blizzard..
mastertheknife: Morten_: you can find lot of evidence in google :)
SimmyD: aww man world of goo segfaults
mastertheknife: SimmyD: hmm.. not here
SimmyD: seems to be a libSDL thing in fedora sigh
mastertheknife: $90,000 left to raise in less than 6 hours
SimmyD: well night for me. will be up in 6 hours to check on it :P
NigeyUK: weeeeeeeeee plop
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: you think they can do it ?
mastertheknife: $90,000 in 5:30 hours
eXlin: hmm... should i maybe buy game's for my cousin as birthday gift ;)
meGenius: the contributions almost stopped :(
mastertheknife: yeah
d2kx: fuck i think it is time... looks like valve is announcing the steam client for linux today :O
d2kx: http://tinyurl.com/7fkyqr
meGenius: those who use twitter please announce that we need 90,000
mastertheknife: d2kx: huhhhh
meGenius: d2kx: if it was a joke i'll kill you :D
d2kx: meGenius: click on the link ;)
somename: anyone clicked the link yet?
meGenius: me
mastertheknife: it was a joke
mastertheknife: man i believed u!
d2kx: :-)
meGenius: someone is gonna be killed :D
d2kx: just had to do it :D
mastertheknife: searches for his shotgun
d2kx: although you would have to travel from israel to germany
meGenius: d2kx: i wouldn't
meGenius: d2kx: i'll call me freind, he will kill you :P
NigeyUK: mastertheknife, 50quid says they'll do it :D
d2kx: although it was a joke, i do believe the official announcement is really close
meGenius: 50quid??
meGenius: d2kx: i'll not beleive you anymore :P
christian_lappy: d2kx: why ?
d2kx: remember how michael said he might have news to report tomorrow (that was sunday), it hasnt happened yet, and valve is slowly taking down NDAs (mac client NDA is now lifted)
christian_lappy: mhhhhh
NigeyUK: 50quid = �50 :)
meGenius: NigeyUK: isn't this the GBP??
christian_lappy: michaellarabel: anything to report :-) ?
NigeyUK: yup
meGenius: i thought you call it pound
NigeyUK: we do, but call it quid in slang
meGenius: i see!
NigeyUK: :p
meGenius: 5:30 exactly is the time left
christian_lappy: forwhat ?
meGenius: for the humble indie
mastertheknife: $87,000 to go
somename: where do you see the total amount of money?
christian_lappy: ohh..damn, i need to get that
mastertheknife: http://www.wolfire.com/humble
mastertheknife: somename: "Total raised"
meGenius: a small box on the right
DarkDefender: i hope that they'll be nice and release the source code anyways. It quite close to 1 million... :(
meGenius: Megagun: http://www.wolfire.com/humble
somename: err
meGenius: i'll be a bot for sometime :P
meGenius: DarkDefender: wolfire & 2d boy are good companies, i think they will do that :)
Megagun: meGenius, already bought it for $13.37
DarkDefender: XD
meGenius: Megagun: thank you
meGenius: Megagun: you already helped the humanity :P
meGenius: hey, facebook users, please, update your status to put a link for the bundle
meGenius: this may help a lot
LibertyZero_: new programming jargon | http://www.globalnerdy.com/2010/05/09/new-programming-jargon/
LibertyZero_: yoda conditions *loool*
meGenius: LibertyZero_: http://www.wolfire.com/humble
mastertheknife: lol!
NigeyUK: mastertheknife,
NigeyUK: ask valve for this file..
NigeyUK: home/VALVE/rackadmin/buildslave/steam_main_linux/build/src/vgui2/src/../../common/FontTextureCache.cpp
NigeyUK: lol
christian_lappy: how you know the path ?
NigeyUK: its in the library file
mastertheknife: right :P
christian_lappy: hard coded ?
mastertheknife: christian_lappy: those are strings inside the files
mastertheknife: they are used by the assert function
christian_lappy: ah
somename: strings steamui.so | grep "home/VALVE"
mastertheknife: never seen those "Assertion failed! at file blah at line 300.cpp" errors
mastertheknife: ?
christian_lappy: so, absolute file path
mastertheknife: there is also dberger
mastertheknife: dberger is Dan Berger
meGenius: mastertheknife: nope!
NigeyUK: m_FontAliases
NigeyUK: m_mapFonts
NigeyUK: CustomFontFiles
NigeyUK: m_sFontOverride
NigeyUK: m_mapFonts.Key( i ).m_sFontFamily
NigeyUK: hmmz
meGenius: it's the new version of the Burger
meGenius: SPAM!!!!
NigeyUK: that customfontfiles again
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: the problem is probably with opengl
meGenius: mastertheknife: can't be solved??
mastertheknife: i dont know any opengl programming
NigeyUK: haha.. not quickly
mastertheknife: espes investigated and said fonts are being rendered with opengl
meGenius: DarkDefender: have you contributed: http://www.wolfire.com/humble
DarkDefender: yes
DarkDefender: did so right after they openend the sale up :)
meGenius: is a real annoying guy :P
sannn: true :)
meGenius: Defense|Twin: you, contribute @: http://www.wolfire.com/humble
meGenius: sannn: i care about opensource
Defense|Twin: ?!?
DarkDefender: buy it nao
meGenius: Defense|Twin: we are trying to encourage people to buy the humble indie bundle
meGenius: Defense|Twin: it's a package of 6 games where you buy it for the amount of money you choose
sannn: meGenius: and when the sources open up.. we will see these games on gp2x devices / some console homebrew and than what?
meGenius: we want to reach the 1m, to have the sources of three of them
meGenius: sannn: we will be able to benefit from the engines
Defense|Twin: meGenius: hm sounds interisting.. but i'm still waiting for overgrowth...
meGenius: Defense|Twin: as you wish :)
DarkDefender: Defense|Twin: it's pay what you want
DarkDefender: so 0.1$ if you'r cheap
Defense|Twin: DarkDefender: hm maybe i will buy it since i one year ago i was anyway pondering about buying lugaru
DarkDefender: well you have 5 hours to deside! Choose wisely!
DarkDefender: :P
Defense|Twin: 5 hours?
meGenius: Defense|Twin: it ends up in 5 hours
meGenius: so, hurry up :)
DarkDefender: yeah then the sale ends and you'll have yo pay the full price again
sannn: meGenius: well I haven't seen much fun games based on open sourced game engines. Only ports and a few tech demos. Perhaps some open source updated tech2/tech3 engine are interesting but well most of these games are simply not up to par with commercial titles.
meGenius: sannn: the problem is, no company can benefit from the game after releasing it
meGenius: sannn: so, they forget about it, who develop those games is the community
sannn: meGenius: I'm not sure what you're saying here?
mastertheknife: $80,000 left
Megagun: hahaha, Pokemon Exception Handling.
LibertyZero_: gotta catch 'em all ^^
Modplan: In case it didn't get posted:
Modplan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7z3czUSATM Interesting talk about Ubuntu usability/design research & findings
Modplan: apparently Ubuntu was described as "premium" product
somename: $72.000 left
NigeyUK: ffs @ ff crashing in ubuntu
mastertheknife: heh
Nevtus: firefox rarely crashes and when it does it's usually because of flash
Nevtus: I'm not using ubuntu though, doubt it would make too much difference though
mastertheknife: I use opera
NigeyUK: well its whenever i use flash
NigeyUK: bbc iplayer, youtube etc
mastertheknife: Opera 10.50 but sometimes firefox
Nevtus: TED talks often do it
Nevtus: I've never had much problems with youtube or iplayer
cmol: Is this where all the juicy steam on linux news goes?
Nevtus: yup, but it's quiet right now
cmol: Ahh.. Well, I'll be keeping an eye out. The idea of stem (and source engine games) on linux is really nice! :D
NigeyUK: yawns
giselher: only 65 000 to go. I only wanted because of world of goo, but all games are awesome (gish :) )
NigeyUK: what times the dealine ?
NigeyUK: deadline*
giselher: 4 hours
giselher: left
NigeyUK: sweet
Megagun: What's this about 65k to go?
Modplan: damn it, the windows donations are making a come back
Modplan: Linux was at 25%, so was Mac at one point
Megagun: Oh, me iz dumb.
DarkDefender: Megagun: if they get 1 million dollar total then the will release the source code
Megagun: Oh, wait, really?
Megagun: To what?
giselher: Better more windows than no soucres :)
DarkDefender: lugaru, penumbra and gish IIRC
Megagun: I haven't heard anything about that, Where did you read it?
giselher: It's in the video
Modplan: http://bit.ly/cDOVjz forum thread that discovered the bit in the video that says it
Megagun: wow, awesome.
Kame: What's awesome!?
meGenius: mastertheknife: have you discovered any new about the fonts??
Modplan: though a chance it won't be true
DarkDefender: Modplan: i think we asked the devs about it and they said that the will keep their word. IIRC
DarkDefender: the wolfire guys i asked at least
meGenius: DarkDefender: they are the managers of the bundle
DarkDefender: and the devs of lugaru
Modplan: I wonder if they'll release assets too (CC license)?
Megagun: Probably not
meGenius: who know this game: http://www.hellogames.org/
Megagun: Anyways, 7k in 30 minutes. 4 hours left. That makes 28k, which would not be enough
mastertheknife: meGenius: No and i won't keep trying, wasted enough time on this..
meGenius: mastertheknife: okay!
Modplan: probs best to wait a week or 2 at least for a few more updates/fixes from valve
Megagun: mastertheknife: you sure give up early... (:P)
mastertheknife: meGenius: time is expensive.. wasted over 20 hours in over 5+ days to get the fonts working, lol.
christian_lappy: lol
Megagun: 60K left
mastertheknife: 60,000 in 3:30 hours
mastertheknife: they probably wont make it
mastertheknife: thats too bad
mastertheknife: they are close
Modplan: need to get a major forum/tweet/identica push
DarkDefender: i hope that they'll be nice and release it anyways :P
Milyardo: I'm talking to my wife now to figure out what size donation is acceptable with her :P
DarkDefender: you first born!
DarkDefender: :D
Milyardo: How much is that monetarily?
Kame: Around 60k?
Milyardo: I hope
d2kx: valve announced that with the launch of the mac open beta tomorrow, they will only offer Portal and Torchlight and will add more games every wednesday (every week)
somename: hopefully they will focus on the linux client after that
Modplan: guess they still need a lil time to finalise some things
Milyardo: w00t went with 29.95
DarkDefender: :D
DarkDefender: gj
Kame: d2kx: I thought they had TF2 in the beta?
Milyardo: So is my Linux conrtibution determined by the Agent in my browser, or what version I download? because I just bought it from work(which is an Ubuntu machine anyways)
d2kx: tf2 was avaible in the closed beta but was running with some problems on some of the older mac hardware, because they had to add workarounds to mac's buggy opengl stack
Modplan: Kame: portal was used in beta
NigeyUK: yeah i think tf2 had issues with the 9400m's ?
Kame: Milyardo: When you go to download, it'll let you choose what you want it to count towards
Megagun: Milyardo: and you can select multiple OSes too (so you can make it count for both OSX and Linux, if you want)
Milyardo: sweet, I already own the Pnumbra series bought that a while ago
Megagun: woah, bump! estimate is 999
Megagun: before that:
Megagun: 10k in 40 mins exactly, like the one before, and the one before, and the one before...
Megagun: 20:00 will be 950 if this keeps up
Megagun: So there's some hope. :P
Milyardo: I think I'll try out Lugaru first while I'm on lunch break here at work
mastertheknife: $55,000 in 3 hours.. can they do it
monreal: so close...
GNU\colossus: I'll try to convince a friend, who's a quite successful day-trader, to shell out and close the gap ;)
mastertheknife: lol
mastertheknife: open source code of this could be nice
DarkDefender: 50,000 for a to the linux side would be quite nice! ;)
mastertheknife: i'm quite interested to look to learn a little
Modplan: only problem would be if code would be put to good use, not just refactored for more quake/UT clones
DarkDefender: yeah especially penumbra for me at least! :)
Modplan: I can imagine penumbra engine suddenly gaining support for complex jumping manouvres and jump pads...
Megagun: Also it depends on what license they use
DarkDefender: :D
DarkDefender: i hope they go GPL
somename: GPL, GPL, GPL...!
somename: 52.000 left
giselher: If they release the source I could port it to GNU/Hurd :)
Megagun: Can we quote you on that?
d2kx: I hear they port Duke Nukem Forever to GNU/Hurd at the momen
Megagun: http://store.steampowered.com/public/client/steam_client_hurd
giselher: gmaes
giselher: First I need to port SDL and openal
giselher: btw, Hurd has NO sound stack
babai: 50,000
Kame: Which packages did steam update today?
mastertheknife: steamclient.so
mastertheknife: 48,000 left but less than 3 hours
mastertheknife: :|
Shunt31: I'm getting a weird segfault here
Shunt31: 6804 Aborted ${DEBUGGER} "${STEAMROOT}"/${PLATFORM}/${STEAMEXE} $@
Shunt31: I've installed it with the method on etherpad
Shunt31: been following this irc for the past few days
somename: 8 minutes = $2000
mastertheknife: Shunt31: what patch have you applied?
Shunt31: just vgui2
mastertheknife: vgui2 with 2a in the end ?
mastertheknife: or 1 in the end ?
mastertheknife: or 2 ? lol
DarkDefender: GNU\colossus: hows that convincing going? ;)
Shunt31: yep
Shunt31: 2a
GNU\colossus: he's not answering right now ;)
Kame: Delete all the steam folders in your home directory
GNU\colossus: that cheap bastard!
Shunt31: Kame: have done
Shunt31: Kame: still the same segfault
mastertheknife: Shunt31: change the command from "linux32/steam" in the end to "gdb linux32/steam", then type "r -login ", then when the program crashes, type "bt" and copy all (except user/pass) to http://pastebin.com and give link
Megagun: mastertheknife: The person responsible for the art of Overgrowth (the next Wolfire game) said in the Wolfire IRC channel: "I don't think we will sweat it if it is a tiny bit short"
mastertheknife: Megagun: Sorry i don't understand. Does that mean that if its close enough to $1m they will still release the code?
Megagun: That means that they probably will, yes.
Megagun: Then again, an artist probably doesn't have *that* much say in things like this.
Megagun: But still :)
Shunt31: i think they'll fall whort by about $10000
Kame: Nah, there'll be a big push right at the end
mastertheknife: I hope they will make it
c0bra: hi
c0bra: any news?
mastertheknife: I tried giving the link to many people i thought would be interested
mastertheknife: hi c0bra, no not really.
cracker: could someone give me the patchs links?
cracker: i mean steam
c0bra: so no fonts or anything yet?
Shunt31: mastertheknife: http://pastebin.com/Pht1Hk0J
somename: nope. no fonts
Shunt31: cracker: http://openetherpad.com/ep/pad/export/0UmBOBf27q/rev.956?format=html
mastertheknife: http://openetherpad.com/ep/pad/export/0UmBOBf27q/latest?format=html latest actually
mastertheknife: Shunt31: thats strange, i have never seen that before. no idea. maybe its libfreetype too old or libc
cracker: Shunt31: thank you
Shunt31: I thought it was a weird error
Shunt31: mastertheknife: filedropper doesn't seem to work too well, you couldn't upload the case sensitive patches anywhere else?
mastertheknife: Shunt31: I dont have any server :(
mastertheknife: jumbers: here ?
Shunt31: to something like dropbox?
mastertheknife: is there a prefered site you want me to upload to ?
Shunt31: no
Shunt31: its just that filedropper doesn't work almost everytime
mastertheknife: oh
mastertheknife: I will try to contact jumbers to see if he can host it
Shunt31: thanks
NigeyUK: want me to host them ?
mastertheknife: if you want, why not
NigeyUK: 2 secs then
mastertheknife: 40,000 left
cracker: mastertheknife: so there is no need to patch steamui.so ?
mastertheknife: cracker: not anymore
mastertheknife: cracker: you can read why here in the bottom: http://openetherpad.com/ep/pad/export/0UmBOBf27q/latest?format=html
cracker: okay master :)
NigeyUK: http://www.nigey.co.uk/steam/
NigeyUK: there ya go
mastertheknife: nice thank you :)
mastertheknife: is that a dedicated server or a vps ?
mastertheknife: I think about buying a vps
NigeyUK: dedicated
NigeyUK: had that 1 for 4 years
NigeyUK: nigey@nigey.co.uk [~/www/steam]# uname -a
NigeyUK: Linux alpha.rimacs.co.uk 2.4.21-27.0.2.EL #1 Wed Jan 12 23:46:37 EST 2005 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
mastertheknife: you have problem with mysql
NigeyUK: and exim lol
NigeyUK: it needs updating big time
Megagun: 2.4, nice. :P
NigeyUK: application bug: exim(3911) has SIGCHLD set to SIG_IGN but calls wait().
NigeyUK: (see the NOTES section of 'man 2 wait'). Workaround activated.
mastertheknife: anyways thats a nice site, looks good.. keep working on it :)
NigeyUK: cheers :D im getting there slowly
NigeyUK: btw the sql errors on that specific site are down to the fact i wiped the DB .. forgot i had them in a db on a diff account lol
mastertheknife: oh.
Sleepy_Coder: builds Chromium OS <3
NigeyUK: oh also, that steam-install.sh script is the script from pastie that is on the public pad
mastertheknife: and why Nigey instead of Nigel? :P
NigeyUK: GF's orders
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: oh thats from Kano or Kame
NigeyUK: she always calls me nigey :|
mastertheknife: haha :)
NigeyUK: yeah, i just slapped it into a sh file for simplicity
somename: 35k
mastertheknife: they better make it
mastertheknife: I should gift someone, but no idea who
mastertheknife: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/03/gabe-newell-shares-his-thoughts-on-drm-at-gdc-ftw.ars
NigeyUK: ooo
NigeyUK: i bought it, and gifted about 5 people lol
Megagun: with the current rate it will overshoot
Megagun: and i bet it will
NigeyUK: mastertheknife, is the video of that speech on youtube ?
Kano: hi michaellarabel
Megagun: (he wrote a script to autofetch the data off the site every minute)
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: hmm don't think so
Sleepy_Coder: wishes Valve didn't want to bring their icky application-specific theme to Linux :< Why can't we have consistent interfaces? That's such a Windows thing :<
NigeyUK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XEXLhGir3s
Sleepy_Coder: Guess I'll stick it on a very remote virtual desktop just so I don't have to think about it.
NigeyUK: lol
Sleepy_Coder: Just crap though, I wonder if we can suggest letting the Window use the window manager's decoration
Kano: michaellarabel:
Kano: checking phoronix-test-suite.diff:
Kano: 50 files changed, 708 insertions(+), 1484 deletions(-)
Kano: missing files: 3
Sleepy_Coder: I mean, it doens't have to use GTK and it's theme, just let it use the window manager's default window decoration :\
Megagun: Sleepy_Coder, that's why I don't really like Chrome. :|
Sleepy_Coder: I don't use Chrome on Linux :p
Sleepy_Coder: I know it's faster, but I have customly themed Firefox to use as little room on the screen as possible for the address bar and such
Megagun: Yeah, but the stupid interface change is what is keeping me from using it on both Windows and Linux. :P
Kano: michaellarabel: do you have got a pw recovery for pts global?
mastertheknife: just gifted someone
Sleepy_Coder: I haven't seen the security benefits of Chrome, as I guess I don't view much porn on risky sites, and the tabs take up too much f-cking space. Even when they have the room to display the page title they don't :\
Sleepy_Coder: webkit is definitely faster though... :(
Sleepy_Coder: Wish i could just have Firefox's UI with webkit's rendering speeds
Sleepy_Coder: gowai Gecko :p
Kano: yes chrome gui is crap
Kano: no rss bookmarks
Sleepy_Coder: So currently I have this EEE PC. Got it for $130 yesterday at Best Buy because it was an open-box with a ton of scratches.
Kano: thats stone age of web
Sleepy_Coder: I cannot uninstall Office 2007 and Works because the installation wizard doesn't use a language supported by my system.
Sleepy_Coder: (so it says).
Sleepy_Coder: WTF
Sleepy_Coder: I so do not miss you XP.
Sleepy_Coder: If this weren't my father's I would put Arch Linux on you in 2 seconds.
Kano: i would install kanotix
Sleepy_Coder: And maybe a compactflash HD for faster reads/writes.
mastertheknife: 32,000 in 2 hours
Kano: best for slower pcs (for faster too)
Wipster: mastertheknife, whats the countdown?
Sleepy_Coder: Going to have to upgrade the RAM to 4GB, even if it's a 32-bit setup at least I'll get the max 3.5GB of RAM... unless I PAE...
Kano: Wipster: http://www.wolfire.com/humble
Kano: i should create a countdown too. 1 mio $ for me and i release the kanotix create script ;)
Sleepy_Coder: f-ck so close
Sleepy_Coder: if you look in the video you see it says they'll release the source for a few games if it reaches $1,000,000
Kano: Sleepy_Coder: pae is no problem
Sleepy_Coder: hasn't used it, as he's primarily x86_64
Sleepy_Coder: Not sure on the setup.
Kano: 32 needs less ram
Sleepy_Coder: huggles his 8GB of DDR3 @ 1640Mhz 7-8-7-20 <3
mastertheknife: Wipster: the humble indie bundle
Kano: my main systems has 2 gb only
Kano: runs fast
mastertheknife: PAE is not worth it, go x86_64
Sleepy_Coder: I virtualize a lot :>
Wipster: kl
Sleepy_Coder: mastertheknife: Not possible on this Intel Atom
mastertheknife: Oh, atom.
Sleepy_Coder: I'll probably just use the max addressable.
maligor: I bet if you downclock it to 666MHz and set the timings to 6-6-6, you'll get better performance
Kano: mastertheknife: 64 bit is not always better. when you want to use 32 bit firefox then 64 bit is bad
Sleepy_Coder: If PAE adversely impacts performance to gain the extra .5GB
Sleepy_Coder: ?
Kano: you can only use flash 10.1 currently on 32 bit
Sleepy_Coder: uses 64-bit Firefox... :o
maligor: PAE isn't terribly useful on desktop systems anyway
Kano: but flash 10.0
Sleepy_Coder: I must be running an old flash then :x
Sleepy_Coder: I will cry so hard like a little girl if the Humble Indie Bundle makes 1 mil
Sleepy_Coder: (tears of joy)
Kano: maligor: well it does not slow down much
Sleepy_Coder: it's so close to the end though, I hope there are doners planning to shill out in the last few seconds
somename: lmao
somename: somebody donated 1337 dollars
Sleepy_Coder: :D
DarkDefender: :D
maligor: heh, 2 hours
Sleepy_Coder: I love how analogpixels.com donated
Sleepy_Coder: Good way to advertise
Milyardo: For Linux?
Sleepy_Coder: Mac Win and Lin
mastertheknife: I run 64bit flash, it works great.
mastertheknife: 64bit opera and 64bit firefox, no problems. also 64bit java plugin
Sleepy_Coder: World of Goo is so fun >.<
Sleepy_Coder: I want to try Aquaria but I haven't had the time yet
maligor: mastertheknife, what koolaid are you drinking man?
maligor: flash by definition doesn't work great
Kano: mastertheknife: for benchmarks i use 64 bit too ;)
mastertheknife: maligor: the early 64bit flash builds were slow, but latest ones are ok for me
Sleepy_Coder: 64-bit addressing seems to only help for things like encryption, compression, ... things that benefit from the larger int
Sleepy_Coder: At least that is my take on it :>
Sleepy_Coder: I didn't really have a pushing reason for it until I got 8GB of memory XD
Sleepy_Coder: Most of the time I hate installing 32-bit compatibility libs
Sleepy_Coder: glares at Skype
Sleepy_Coder: PREY...
maligor: mastertheknife, yeah, let me guess, "lsmod | grep nvidia" doesn't return empty
Kano: Sleepy_Coder: better play prey ;)
maligor: afaik adobe only enabled acceleration on nvidia
Sleepy_Coder: prey was fun, but I wish they had released a 64-bit build
Sleepy_Coder: And I wish Skype used GTK T.T
Sleepy_Coder: But at least Qt in it is statically-linked
mastertheknife: maligor: True, it doesn't return empty :D
Kano: Sleepy_Coder: did you compared unigine 32vs64 bit?
maligor: Qt's a better option than gtk if you ask me
mastertheknife: maligor: However, i wasn't aware that they only enabled acceleration on nvidia.
Sleepy_Coder: I did not :x I've only run the Heaven benchmark on my Windows install
GNU\colossus: Qt rules supreme.
maligor: but Skype is rubbish
Kano: Sleepy_Coder: you can forget the diff for games
GNU\colossus: it's proprietary, of course it's rubbish.
maligor: Jabber and SIP FTW!
mastertheknife: Skype linux beta works nice actually
mastertheknife: I have it installed
Kano: Sleepy_Coder: did you notice that gish was 64 bit only first
maligor: yeah, but skype has no interest in interoperability
Kano: skype works fine for 64 bit
mastertheknife: maligor: why do you think that way?
Kano: i even wrote a generic script to convert lenny 32 to 64 bit
maligor: mastertheknife, which way?
d2kx: flash 10.1 should be released next week or so, lets see if those lazy idiots over at adobe start releasing experimental 64bit builds then
mastertheknife: that skype has no interest in interoperability
maligor: mastertheknife, because they don't?
Kano: mastertheknife: even sending a linux desktop works
maligor: atleast last I checked there was no briding SIP and Skype
maligor: Skype is a closed blob network
Kano: mastertheknife: also you can use a pidgin skype plugin to chat
maligor: who knows what they do with your voice data
mastertheknife: maligor: The Mac and Linux skype clients are less functional than the windows client, but its still something
mastertheknife: Kano: I didn't know that.. cool :)
Kano: the plugin controls skype
maligor: mastertheknife, I just firmly don't believe that a closed protocol is good in any possible way
Kano: both apps run but you chat via pidgin
asciiwolf: back
asciiwolf: any news about Steam?
somename: nearly 25k left
d2kx: steam mac open beta launch is hours away, dont expect news right now
mastertheknife: asciiwolf: Hi, no not really
maligor: d2kx, and the open closed internal beta for linux? ;P
mastertheknife: maligor: But it has to be closed because it has a pay service
maligor: mastertheknife, hardly
maligor: mastertheknife, the pay service is only the link to the physical network
Sleepy_Coder: Kano: Sorry, was distracted as dad had come in to nag me about what I'm doing with his EEE PC :p
mastertheknife: asciiwolf: Few days after the mac client being released we might see a big nice update or some announcement
maligor: mastertheknife, you can buy similar service from lots of ISP/Phone sercices for SIP
Sleepy_Coder: Kano: I hadn't noticed Gish was 64-bit only, I've only been playing them on my Win 7 install atm
Sleepy_Coder: is still trying to remember his 26-char pass to get into his Linux install T.T
Sleepy_Coder: (honest)
Kano: Sleepy_Coder: 1 day later there was a 32 bit download in the -1 file
NigeyUK: lol
maligor: bit like Maya Student version, they only provide linux 64bit
Sleepy_Coder: :D
maligor: the windows version is 32bit tho
mastertheknife: Sleepy_Coder: start in rescue mode, login as root and change your password.. lol
Kano: Sleepy_Coder: do not worry, until you encrypt your drive i never need a pw
Sleepy_Coder: Rescue mode >.>
Sleepy_Coder: And I encrypt :p
maligor: atleast they don't use motif in Maya anymore tho
Sleepy_Coder: dm-crypt without luks, aes-xts-cbc <3
Sleepy_Coder: My Windows install isn't all that secure, strangely enough that's where most of my pr0n is >.>
Kano: mastertheknife: single mode usally asks for pw, but you can override init, that works for unencrypted systems
Sleepy_Coder: Would be hard to explain...
mastertheknife: Kano: I meant single mode yeah, and here it doesnt ask for pw
Sleepy_Coder: does the PSU-is-dying dance
Sleepy_Coder: It's getting steadily louder with every run
Kano: mastertheknife: on U where you have it even in menu it asks
Megagun: truecrypt your pr0n
Sleepy_Coder: Bleh.
Sleepy_Coder: doesn't have a valid reason to dislike truecrypt
Sleepy_Coder: Please wait for these messages.
maligor: and then send anonymously saying you have secret government documents on the system
Kano: maligor: do you want to try waterboarding ;)
maligor: why would I want to do that?
Sleepy_Coder: I don't really care about the pr0n, I just have some program source and a few movies and the urge to protect my right to privacy :p
mastertheknife: Kano: Here i simply edited grub, created a line for single mode and called it rescue mode and put passwrod protection on it and on grub
Sleepy_Coder: And waterboarding makes me laugh :p Seems like more of a mind-game than an actual torture
mastertheknife: $24,000 left, i think they can do it.
Sleepy_Coder: I want it so bad. <3
Sleepy_Coder: I want World of Goo source so. bad. ,3
Kano: mastertheknife: you can disable rescue GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_RECOVERY="true"
Kano: Sleepy_Coder: very unlikely as they want to sell wog2 soon
Sleepy_Coder: Don't make me slap you.
Sleepy_Coder: prepares for raging
Kano: mastertheknife: init=/bin/bash rw
maligor: penumbra source would be cool
Kano: mastertheknife: problem solved ;)
Sleepy_Coder: f-ck yeah penumbra :D
Sleepy_Coder: wait that game scared me really bad :<
DarkDefender: i preordered their new game! :D
Kano: penumba would be good, then you could add windowed+fullscreen switching
maligor: their?
Sleepy_Coder: I really wish games did that more...
DarkDefender: the penumbra devs
Sleepy_Coder: World of Goo does not need to be fullscreen :(
Sleepy_Coder: it doesn't even take over any usual keybinds
Kano: Sleepy_Coder: alt+enter works
mastertheknife: $22,000 in 1:30h, can they do it? :P
maligor: Sleepy_Coder, did what more?
Sleepy_Coder: :o
Sleepy_Coder: did what more?
maligor: [21:25] I really wish games did that more...
Sleepy_Coder: Let you minimize them, friend does SDL and says the functionality is pretty trivial to add..?
Sleepy_Coder: is not a graphics person
mastertheknife: i played some of them games, including world of goo. It felt so amazing, so smooth, i'm not used to running native games on linux, such a great feeling.
mastertheknife: of these*
Kano: Sleepy_Coder: i patched 2 games to allow to move the mouse out of it (or alt+tab), binary way similar to what mastertheknife does
Sleepy_Coder: ic :o
maligor: shame the indie strategy game devels don't port
Kano: Sleepy_Coder: aquaria + lugaru
Sleepy_Coder: <3 Gish + WoG + Aquaria + Samarost 2 + ....hmm.
Sleepy_Coder: I didn't quite like Lugaru and Penumbra
Sleepy_Coder: Lugaru seemed boring, but Penumbra scared me away from playing :<
Sleepy_Coder: Sounds worse than it looks though.
maligor: yeah, penumbras are pretty nice
Kano: you can set penumbra to work in window in the config file
Kano: but you can not switch
Kano: in menu you can leave game
Kano: without quitting
Sleepy_Coder: can't wait for the source release of id tech 4
Sleepy_Coder:
Sleepy_Coder: And I really hope Rage comes to Lin :<
Sleepy_Coder: Aside from the usual.
Sleepy_Coder: The ID sort.
DarkDefender: i bet it will is steam is successful on linux
DarkDefender: *if
somename: 19k
monreal: if steam comes to linux....
Sleepy_Coder: I don't like games needing to be launched by Steam :(
Sleepy_Coder: I hope Steam changes the way devs think about Linux gaming, but I really don't want it to be the only source of good commercial games on Linux.
Kano: i think that rage gets a linux port - also mac
Sleepy_Coder: Steam only solves the no-piracy problem.
maligor: uhm.. no, it doesn't
Sleepy_Coder: er... piracy problem*
Sleepy_Coder: Yes it does :\
maligor: steam isn't a terribly good copy protection in the whole
Sleepy_Coder: I have only seen cracked games being able to play single-player if they do multiplayer through Steam
mastertheknife: Sleepy_Coder: Steam will give a great push to cross-platform gaming
asciiwolf: Sleepy_Coder, well, but steam is still better than some "insert cd please" things which you can see in windows games...
Kano: maligor: it does not need to be, most use it because it is very simple to buy things there. similar to itunes
maligor: nearly all games with multiplayer had key auth that'll block multiplay anyway
Sleepy_Coder: Yes... I love that they want to allow you to buy the game once and download it for all the platforms you own
maligor: Kano, yeah, I use it somewhat
Kano: easy of buying is the key
maligor: and some games are steam native
maligor: like Total War stuff
Kame: Sleepy_Coder: Almost all steam multiplayer games can still be played online on cracked servers
mastertheknife: Sleepy_Coder: Thats probably whats going with Valve's games on steam when it will come to Linux. Probably you will be able to buy a game on any Source based game from Valve on any platform and play it on any platform
mastertheknife: Sleepy_Coder: Any i mean Windows, Linux or Mac
Sleepy_Coder: Yes, only Source games at first.
Sleepy_Coder: Kame: Not much effort is put into making those methods easily-followed. :>
maligor: but it does solve the drm problem tho
Sleepy_Coder: (imo)
monreal: source games... and ut3 :D
Sleepy_Coder: I... am so done caring about UT3.
mastertheknife: UT3 lol, not before 2011
maligor: maybe it'll get some developers into linux who didn't want to port without drm
Kano: ut3 is the biggest joke
Kame: Sleepy_Coder: What? Most the time it's just "Downloaded crack game, unzip patch, play"
maligor: since afaik there isn't any drm system for linux aside from flex
maligor: or similar stuff
Kano: you can use it for wine testing however
monreal: I actually bought ut3 about a year ago, was 9€ and I have not even opened it yet :/
Kano: well i bought it for 10€
mastertheknife: LOL someone donated $1337 to the humble indie bundle.. chec
Kano: only tested wine with it
somename: mastertheknife: saw that earlier :P
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: maybe a missing .
monreal: mine was 5€ I think, plus shipping... import copy from UK ;)
maligor: maybe someone will donate 31337
Sleepy_Coder: I really don't get icculus. I found him on a channel on another network and told him it would have been nice to at least have him say hi on the mailinglist for UT3 if he is constractually bound to not give away anything about the game, if it still even exists, and he just said he didn't want to talk about UT3. :\ I could understand that if he's used to be nagged, but wtf... you can at least shwo you're still kicking on the
Sleepy_Coder: mailinglist.
Kano: that was also uk
Sleepy_Coder: Just made me so mad...
mastertheknife: Sleepy_Coder: I agree, i really respect that person, but with whats going on with UT3 it makes me think that hes a complete jerk
Sleepy_Coder: UT3 was fun for a while, but they definitely killed it's lifespan by not supporting Linux sooner, if it was ever possible. I honestly don't think we'll see it, ever.
Kano: monreal: you need a small wine patch for it
christian_lappy: ut3 vclient is NOT in icculus resume anymor
maligor: kinda reminds me of the blender source fund raising I guess
Sleepy_Coder: Yeah.
Sleepy_Coder: I looked at his resume and it changed to UT3 Linux server.
Sleepy_Coder: It had to have been some dumb middleware for networking with Gamespy :\
christian_lappy: i think he is pissed about ut3
Sleepy_Coder: (from my idiots' perspective)
mastertheknife: christian_lappy: please explain, this is interesting
Sleepy_Coder: He gave the impression he was very frustrated about the project, but not saying hi, at least some closure would have been nice.
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: which part `?
mastertheknife: Him not doing the linux port anymore.. then who does it ?
Sleepy_Coder: Just f-ck. These huge dev companies don't get how desperate we are for good games, even crappy gameplay with awesome graphics are enough to excite us... and then they play off our hopes and dreams for 2+ years and we're just supposed to move on to the next dream-game...
Sleepy_Coder: Sorry, being dramatic. T.T
Kano: most likely you can play ut3 on iphone before you can play it on linux
Sleepy_Coder: Oh was so mad about that. T.T
mastertheknife: Sleepy_Coder: UT3 was released in 2007 for windows, but it will probably reach linux in 2011, 5 years later. this must be a joke
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: imho, he finished the port already..but it will neve see the lkight cause of legal issues
mastertheknife: christian_lappy: oh thats so sad :(
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: just a guess, but yeah
monreal: on the screenshots he released some year(s) ago it looked about done
Sleepy_Coder: Look at the average Linux contributions to the Humble Indie Bundle and just imagine how much money, attention, and replay-value could have been added to UT3 if Linux had been included.
Sleepy_Coder: Just fuck Epic.
mastertheknife: Those screenshots were in 2008, yeah, it seemed good.
DarkDefender: i miss the old jill of the jungle Epic :(
mastertheknife: $14,000 left in 1:15h, they will probably make it.
Sleepy_Coder: They've definitely lost me as a customer, I don't think anything will ever compare to how amazing UT2004 was. :\ I still play it, too.
monreal: I think I would prefer a serious sam 1 source code release over ut3 linux client :)
Sleepy_Coder: I cannot wait for Postal III :]
Sleepy_Coder: Which might be a Steam distributed game.. >.>
christian_lappy: hehe
mastertheknife: Sleepy_Coder: You know, i still have my 2 original CDs of UT99
Sleepy_Coder:
mastertheknife: Sleepy_Coder: I also bought UT2003
Sleepy_Coder: I played UT99 a few months ago... bit hard to get into, it played wonderfully at school while I was still in school though.
mastertheknife: Sleepy_Coder: Epic went downhill
Sleepy_Coder: Next time I'll buy the game after the Linux client is out. T.T
monreal: epic went 360...
Sleepy_Coder: At least I only got it for $20, but I didn't even have the Windows to play it on when I bought it.
Sleepy_Coder: Bought it at Christmas... was so happy... I miss being happy :<<<<
Megagun: UT2004 is a LOT better than UT2003
Sleepy_Coder: The graphics for Overgrowth and NS2 look pretty amazing...
Sleepy_Coder: I mean I've seen better, but those are going to get a lot of attention when released.
mastertheknife: When i bought L4D1 about a year ago or maybe more, i thought it would run OK through wine, but it ran crap and i had to reboot to windows everytime i wanted to play it with my friends
Sleepy_Coder: is just a bit excited ;3
Sleepy_Coder: And then... Amnesia: The Dark Descent is another game I'm looking forward to :>
Sleepy_Coder: Same guys who did Penumbra: Overture
DarkDefender: yeah i can't wait! :D
Sleepy_Coder: $10,833 to go for the Humble Indie Bundle <3
somename: not much left
Megagun: 990K
Sleepy_Coder: They're so going to make it.
Megagun: http://pastebin.com/mZGcPCfN <-- HUMBLE HAMMER!!! (not mine)
Sleepy_Coder: lol
Ivanovic: Sleepy_Coder: $10,270 !
Kano: michaellarabel: can you tell my why pts wants to use sudo on kanotix
Kano: looks a bit complicated
Sleepy_Coder: Just crossed $990,000
Sleepy_Coder: <3
Megagun: 990K :D
Megagun: party on the Wolfire IRC channel, btw
Sleepy_Coder: fluffles Megagun :D
mastertheknife: #wolfire ?
Sleepy_Coder: is on Wolfire's channel :D
Megagun: on their own IRC server
markatto: Sleepy_Coder: yeah i actually bought UT3 on the promise of linux support
Megagun: (irc.wolfire.com)
Ivanovic: markatto: and i explicitly wanted to wait till support for linux is/was out
Ivanovic: since this seems to not happen, no money from me...#
markatto: yeah, back then i had a windows gaming machine though
markatto: the game was sadly not all that good anyways
Sleepy_Coder: markatto: I actually removed myself from the mailinglist a week ago... finally got up the nerve/reasoning that there wasn't going to be any new news about the client :\
Kano: curl -s http://www.wolfire.com/humble|awk -F['<>'] '/Total contrib/{print $13}'
Kano: thats much nicer
Sleepy_Coder: nou.
Kano: you can use wget -qO- instead of curl -s too
Megagun: 9K left
mastertheknife: it could be much more fun timeleft was 10 minutes
Sleepy_Coder: It's gaining :D
Kame: $8.5k in one hour!? They'll never make it!
Sleepy_Coder: so close.
mastertheknife: Kame: what do you mean.. they'll make it in 10 minutes
mastertheknife: maybe 20
markatto: yeah they've got like $20k in the last 25 minutes
somename: 8k left
markatto: i love how the linux average is ~double the windows average
Sleepy_Coder: :D
Sleepy_Coder: We love our games.
DarkDefender: well but we are mush fewer
Sleepy_Coder: They should learn to caiter to minorities.
Sleepy_Coder: Minorities pay better.
markatto: 1/8 the purchases but 1/4 the money
mastertheknife: true :P
Sleepy_Coder: cater*
maligor: such a close thing for the 1M
markatto: one good thing that could come from steam on linux: studios will actually see which purchases are for linux
markatto: as opposed to guessing how many people downloaded the seperate linux installer
somename: 7k
mastertheknife: markatto: Yep.
Megagun: 993K
markatto: thing is, i already own most of the source games
mastertheknife: they will probably reach $1,020,000 or so
markatto: all of the ones that were out when i ditched my last windows box at least
mastertheknife: markatto: don't worry, they will find ways
markatto: heh, i still get to play the ones i own on new platforms, right?
maligor: markatto, well.. I think valve has said their products will have one purchase for win/mac
Kame: Since almost every linux gamer will have steam, they'll be able to get pretty good numbers on users and hardware types
markatto: 6k
somename: 6k
markatto: wins with the browser refresh method :D
mastertheknife: also wins with Opera auto-refresh
aliendude3500: Wolfire's humble bundle almost reached 1 mil!!! :D
Megagun: 5.5K
aliendude3500: Tabmix Plus auto refresh pwns all! :D
markatto: 5k
somename: 5k
Megagun: 5k
somename: aww... you are always faster :P
markatto: sometimes when i refresh, the number actually goes down lol
aliendude3500: 5K get!!!
Ivanovic: yes, they will cleanly get more than 1,000,000 dollar
markatto: haha we are DDOSing them
Ivanovic: lets see if a release of some source code will follow
markatto: i paid $100 for some fairly shitty games
markatto: they damn well better :P
maligor: stop ddossing them, people won't be able to pay
markatto: maligor: their servers are fine
markatto: they were down for a sec ~1 hour ago though
maligor: yes, servers are always fine until they go down
DarkDefender: :D
markatto: 4k
Megagun: 4k
Sleepy_Coder: It's gonna finish with time to spare :D
mastertheknife: yeah
mastertheknife: Its going up so fast
Sleepy_Coder: http://twitter.com/SteveSwink/status/13765594449 <3
mastertheknife: its incredible
Sleepy_Coder: Love of games, love of independent devs, love of cross-platformy'ness...
somename: love of.... opengl
mastertheknife: Sleepy_Coder: It's true, you can see in the original video at minute 1:17
Sleepy_Coder: I bet you someone will donate something big with a few seconds to go
Sleepy_Coder: mastertheknife: Yeah, I was just not sure if that was a hidden message or they changed their stance
Sleepy_Coder: mastertheknife: So I'm hoping it's official
mastertheknife: Sleepy_Coder: Wolfire confirmed it, its offical
Kano: michaellarabel: i let root run pts to install depends, you managed to let install depends that UNINSTALL pts ;)
Sleepy_Coder: About to hit $997,000 :D
Kano: $1,000,277
markatto: 1 mil!
Kame: 1 million!
Conan_Kudo: 「名探偵コナン」
Ivanovic: 1million!
d2kx: Total contributed $1,000,277
Sir_Brizz: wow cool
somename: ITS DONE
Sleepy_Coder: LOLWTF
Kame: 1. Anonymous $3333.33
Megagun: MILLION
Kame: wow
mastertheknife: LOL
Sleepy_Coder: HOLY SHIT YEAH
mastertheknife: LAST ONE WAS FROM LINUX
markatto: my hero
mastertheknife: It jumped average of $14.57
aliendude3500: 1MILLION!!!!!!!!!!! :D 0.o 0.o 0.o
markatto: Your contribution supports the amazing Child's Play charity and Electronic Frontier Foundation. By default, the amount is split equally between the seven participants (including Child's Play and EFF), but you can tweak the split any way you'd like.
markatto: And now, thanks to a humble donation from Amanita Design: all contributors are given a free copy of Samorost 2!
maligor: I wonder how much lag it has
markatto: oh, n/m
aliendude3500: ****ONE MILLION MOTHERFSCKING DOLLARS****
maligor: it'll probably keep going up for atleast 15min still
Megagun: ONE MILLION DOLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD
Megagun: S
maligor: depending on if the last contribs were to reach it or not
Sleepy_Coder: Was anonymous too ;o
Kame: maligor: It SAYS real-time statistics :p
Conan_Kudo: W００T
maligor: contribution $3333.33?
somename: $3333,33
somename: nice
markatto: still going up
maligor: Kame, as if
Conan_Kudo: Ｔｈｅ　ａｍａｚｉｎｇ　ｄｅｅｄ　ｈａｓ　ｈａｐｐｅｎｅｄ！
Kano: somebody spend 3333$...
mastertheknife: its a linux user for SURE
Kano: i dont get it
Conan_Kudo: ＯＮＥ ＭＩＬＬＩＯＮ ＤＯＬＬＡＲＳ！！！！！！！！！！！！
mastertheknife: it increased the average from $14.40 to $14.57
DarkDefender: *dr evil* one million dollars!
Modplan: last minute big donations it seems
tkmorris: YEAAA
markatto: that dude will be pissed if source is not released i bet
mastertheknife: lol
asciiwolf: :))
maligor: I'm sure they will
somename: maybe bill gates donated that money
Kame: -1k to go!\
meGenius: markatto: he will die :D
maligor: indie developers live quite a bit on image too
Flyser_: which donations are you talking about
maligor: Flyser_, humble indie bundle
markatto: somename: bill gates is using linux?
somename: yes
Sleepy_Coder: Someone should make a post about what a success the fundraiser was, pl0x :3
Kame: Bill Gates secretly loves Linux
somename: we just dont know it
Flyser_: markatto: what is that?
Kame: That's why he quit MS
Sir_Brizz: why would bill gates use windows? it always fails him when he needs it mostr
Sleepy_Coder: I really want to stick this in the face of Windows devs
Sir_Brizz: ;)
Sleepy_Coder: commercial Windows devs*
Sleepy_Coder: Sir_Brizz: You, get back on that Ut3 mailinglist :p
Kame: Aren't all of those game companies in the HIB windows devs?
somename: took screenie
markatto: they release for all platforms
meGenius: so, we are now waiting for the announcement from wolfire
Modplan: I already made a blog post about games on Linux selling well. Will need to add this in full now.
Kame: markatto: Which includes windows. Which makes them windows devs
markatto: it makes them cross-platform devs?
Sir_Brizz: Sleepy_Coder: eh?? lol
r4: what is this all about?
r4: donating 1mil?
somename: epic win.
r4: to what?
r4: i think i missed something
cmol: So did I
Sir_Brizz: your mom goes to college
Megagun: hahaah
markatto: I made my whole donation go to the EFF lol
Conan_Kudo: ＥＰＩＣ ＷＩＮ！
Sleepy_Coder: Don't say Epic :<
Kame: r4: http://www.wolfire.com/humble
Sleepy_Coder: cries
Conan_Kudo: ＦＩＥＲＹ ＷＩＮ！
Sir_Brizz: watch the Steam Linux client come out with... UT3 Linus client
Sir_Brizz: :p
Sleepy_Coder: :D
markatto: Sleepy_Coder: epic games is not so epic
markatto: :(
somename: imagine somebody donating 1 mil at once
Sir_Brizz: it would be so hilariously awesome if UT3 Mac just silently appeared in the Mac client
Sleepy_Coder: Sir_Brizz: I just don't want all games to need Steam as the launcher :p
cmol: kame: I bought World of goo ages ago to linux.. Didn't everybody? :P
Sleepy_Coder: Yes :p
Sir_Brizz: Sleepy_Coder: my opinion is, if it means more games and better games on Linux, I don't care :p
maligor: same probably for penumbra collection
maligor: think it was on sale at some point
Sleepy_Coder: But then if we bend over for commercial devs, we'll suffer from the problems inherent in Windows gaming :(
Sleepy_Coder: the difference is our users know how to really pirate.. :p I guess.... buwhahaha
Kame: cmol: Yeah, but if they raised over 1 mil they were releasing source to Gish, Penumbra Overture, and Lugaru
markatto: you gotta support the drm-free linux devs
markatto: even LGP has drm now
maligor: Sleepy_Coder, that's why I like lots of indie games, they're not mass-market rubbish
cmol: Kame: Wow! That's awsome!
Sir_Brizz: well any platform that starts getting more popular is going to have problems like that
Sleepy_Coder: maligor: I still want an indie-made Modern Warfare 2 :(
Sir_Brizz: we will watch the same thing happen in MAc land as time goes on
Sleepy_Coder: maligor: And that's id tech 4 modified, I believe...
maligor: but MW2 is utter rubbish
Sleepy_Coder: i can't wait for id tech 4 source <3
Sleepy_Coder: As soon as Doom 4 and Rage are released I think the old engine's source is released too... right?
Sleepy_Coder: MW2 was fun, the single-player was over too quick, but it was definitely worth playing
markatto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKHSAE1gIs
Sir_Brizz: still, any gaming platform coming to Linux is good, because then more regular joe developers will also develop for that platform
r4: thats pretty cool
maligor: Arma 2 is the only decent shooter of recent
r4: can i still buy the games?
r4: or is it over?
Kame: Still going on
r4: awesome
Kame: For 39 minutes
Sleepy_Coder: Sir_Brizz: True... I guess any attention would be desirable before we start negotiating terms of service XD
Sir_Brizz: MW2 has no dedicated servers
Sir_Brizz: nuff said
Sleepy_Coder: True.
Sleepy_Coder: WE"RE NOT ALL COMCAST USERS
markatto: dedicated servers is what makes the source games good
Sir_Brizz: lol
Sir_Brizz: well
Sleepy_Coder: I just want L4D2 and TF2 on Linux.
Sleepy_Coder: Those are the only source games I really care about.
Kame: Yeah, I love those dedicated portal servers
Sir_Brizz: I play MW2 occasionally becaue I got it for free, but that doesn't make it a good game. It's pretty terrible actually
Sleepy_Coder: I would also love to see Garry's Mod, but that's not Valve...
Sleepy_Coder: iirc, Garry is a dick and hates Linux :x
Sir_Brizz: Garry's Mod is Valve though
Sir_Brizz: your second statement is probably true
Sleepy_Coder: I could swear Garry's Mod was independent...
Sir_Brizz: it was originally
Sir_Brizz: but Garry is a douchebag, you can tell because he named his mod after himself
Sleepy_Coder: Independant project of Valve, but Garry might be a valve dev?
Kame: It still is, that's why there's no linux server binaries
mastertheknife: No, Garry is the one developing the mod
mastertheknife: and he refuses to make linux server binaries
Sleepy_Coder: I want Multiwinia on Linux.
Sleepy_Coder: Darwinia was fun.
mastertheknife: he told people to use wine
mastertheknife: Garry is a microsoft fanboy.
Sleepy_Coder: Probably for drinking after you realize how crap of a person he is :p
Sleepy_Coder: on average uses less than 200MB of RAM on Linux...
markatto: i'm using ~400M
Sleepy_Coder: Of course not while gaming, but you have a lower bound of 1GB at least on Win 7 :\
markatto: i have tons of servers and daemons and shit running
Sleepy_Coder: loves keeping larger pool open for gaming and virtualization
markatto: but that still sounds high :(
markatto: like, my desktop is super-minimal
Sleepy_Coder: uses a tiling window manager :p
markatto: awesome :D
Sleepy_Coder: You'd think :D
Kame: I'm currently using about 1g.... :(
Sleepy_Coder: But dwm.
Kame: That sounds a little high...
Sleepy_Coder: I used awesome for a bit :3
Sir_Brizz: Windows pages memory differently than Linux does, though, so 1gb probably doesn't mean 1gb
Sleepy_Coder: I loved it until it's libraries got a tad messy
markatto: awesome is not that great unless you write custom configs
somename: oh noes.. master is making ads for phoronix
markatto: and they broke all of them a while back
Kame: Oh, chrome was using like 700MB :p
Sir_Brizz: markatto: awesome looks like turds
Sleepy_Coder: once used to submit patches to awesome :(
markatto: plus the config file is lua
Sleepy_Coder: Lua is f-cking lovely :D I extended a lua fastcgi magnet <3
mastertheknife: With KDE4 and 64bit, i'm using over 500 MB
Sleepy_Coder: So much better than PHP, Perl, Ruby, Python...
Sleepy_Coder: Though i still have to try out Squirrel, which can be used in L4D2 :o
markatto: Sir_Brizz: really?
Sleepy_Coder: Supposedly derived from Lua and a few others :x
markatto: http://imagebin.org/96481
Sir_Brizz: yeah
markatto: I think that looks pretty classy myself
Sir_Brizz: that doesn't look nice at all
mastertheknife: -/+ buffers/cache: 987 1020
mastertheknife: almost 1GB of ram used just from KDE4, opera, irssi (x2), pidgin, amarok
Conan_Kudo: 真実はいつも一つ！
Sleepy_Coder: Originally i didn't like how complicated awesome was, as it was introducting itself as the "framework window manager" which meant "bloat bloat bloat" to me... but for a time i ddi put in a lot of work to make it every bit was amazing as dwm was when I first discovered that project :>
mastertheknife: but thats nothing when you got 4GB of ram.. 64bit :)
markatto: Sir_Brizz: quit hatin'
Sleepy_Coder: I wanted dwm + cairo for fonts + libxcb for asyncronous x event handling <3
Sleepy_Coder: Er... as in cairo for antialiased fonts + cairo markup lang
Kano: mastertheknife: kde 3.5 + firefox + amarok + konversation + pidgin + skype = 523 mb / 32 bit
Sleepy_Coder: Just like in awesome but without all the libs and lua to make it act like any window manager you wanted :p
mastertheknife: lol icculus was in wolfire. I should have asked him about UT3
Sleepy_Coder: I wouldn't :x I had to resist the urge to troll him a day ago
giselher: mastertheknife: Should I ask him about UT3
Sleepy_Coder: "WTF IS MAI UT3, WTF MAN, I SPEND MORE TIME ON YOUR MAILINGLIST THAN YOU SPEND PORTING"
Sleepy_Coder: etc...
Megagun: mastertheknife: http://twitter.com/icculus :P
Megagun: (see his bio)
Kame: -10k to go with only 27 minutes left!
giselher: Megagun: icculus paid the bundle for ME
Megagun: giselher: nice :)
giselher: because I don't have a credit card :)
mastertheknife: here
mastertheknife: icculus [icculus@72.94.119.119]
mastertheknife: thats before he left :P
mastertheknife: lol
mastertheknife: it seems the server died
mastertheknife: http://www.wolfire.com/humble
somename: yuope
tkmorris: they must be uploading the sources
mastertheknife: Nah i doubt they do that now, it didn't end yet
somename: how much time left?
tkmorris: /s
mastertheknife: back up
Kame: 16 minutes
mastertheknife: its back
somename: yep
DonsScott: so....who's taking bets on a linux client for steam next year ?
mastertheknife: Next year?! this year! XD
DonsScott: lol
maligor: most of the work would've been done when they ported it to mac
Shunt31: don't want to seem ignorant, but do you patch steamui or steamclient with steam-1005071341.bspatch?
giselher: Shunt31: steam
Shunt31: just steam?
giselher: ./steam <- patch
Shunt31: giselher: thanks
timofonic: Hello
giselher: Hoy
timofonic: I'm trying to understand what KMS is really and if can be a fbdev successor, here is my question: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23756
timofonic: To me, it's sad fbdev seems got more active into the binary blob world :(
maligor: timofonic, huh?
timofonic: People seems to confuse KMS and fbdev: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=81982
maligor: as far as I know, drm exposes the same interface as fbdev
maligor: err.. I mean KMS
timofonic: maligor: Uh?
somename: updatr
Megagun: http://blog.wolfire.com/ <-- LUGARU GOES OPEN-SOURCE
somename: ye
timofonic: maligor: KMS exposes the same interface as fbdev? Or DRM exposes the same interface as fbdev? :P
Megagun: GPL
maligor: timofonic, first option
DonsScott: wow...they actually hit the million dollar mark ??
maligor: timofonic, I've never used either so I can't say for sure tho
timofonic: Megagun: Wrong! GPL'd :D
maligor: but kms registers /dev/fb0
timofonic: maligor: Oh... :P
timofonic: maligor: Why people has problems running software designed for fbdev? :P
Kano: well you can dl the code, but would like to see penumbra code
Sleepy_Coder: wheee lugaru :D
Megagun: "The following was being added a few minutes ago by Ryan Gordon before his laptop's battery died (he was writing this on a plane). In the interest of getting this released ASAP here it is so far (we will edit it later). " lol
maligor: timofonic, couldn't say
somename: what about gish and the other one?
aliendude3500: http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/05/Lugaru-goes-open-source
Shunt31: the actual game doesn't seems to be open source though
timofonic: It seems people using KMS and wanting to use fb output is common... http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=708314
timofonic: Damn :/
Shunt31: *game data
DarkDefender: "The game assets are included in the snapshot, and can be redistributed for free, but cannot be resold without our permission."
DarkDefender: so not really opensource but good imo anyways :)
timofonic: That's not GPL compatible
DonsScott: that just means you can't make any money off thier work
timofonic: nonfree :(
Shunt31: "Please note that the game data is not under the GPL, and forbids commercial redistribution."?
timofonic: Someone will make free game data...
DonsScott: i wouldn't
maligor: I don't see the point
maligor: you might just aswell make a new game using the engine if you really want
somename: o rly?
GNU\colossus: cool, they actually made the 1M :)
Megagun: Lugaru is open-source now, GNU\colossus :)
DonsScott: someone should send a screenshot of that to valve. - Total contributed $1,020,629
timofonic: maligor: It happens everywhere, specially for distributing it with Debian :D
mastertheknife: Megagun: The video showed Lugaru, Gish and Penumbra going open source
somename: yeah
maligor: timofonic, that's why debian has non-free
somename: lugaru is just 1 game
mastertheknife: at minute 1:17
timofonic: maligor: Anyway... they'll make it, trust me :D
timofonic: maligor: It happened with Quake3...
timofonic: maligor: This time is free for non-commercial usage, but that happened before
somename: wow...
somename: was lugaru written in C only?
mastertheknife: I doubt it
mastertheknife: but its possible
somename: the source code only got *.c and *.h files
somename: not .cpp
somename: as i see
Kano: somename: lots of cpp files...
Kano: in Source dir
somename: oh...
somename: but theres also c files
Kano: the rest are depends
mastertheknife: http://www.wolfire.com/humble
mastertheknife: they put a message at the top
somename: nice!
mastertheknife: hey.. aquarious is also going open source
somename: really nice
somename: gish too
somename: all games except WoG
timofonic: Samorost 2 not, it's based on Adobe stuff
timofonic: Shockwave or some authoring tool
Ivanovic: really cool one!
Ivanovic: and yeah, michaellarabel should now *really* post a news about this!
somename: and for what is that reseted time now?
Kame: Open source extension!
somename: err
somename: alright
jumbers: New CS:S beta
meGenius: hey guys, did you read the blog: http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/05/Lugaru-goes-open-source
meGenius: lugaru is released under GPL
Megagun: http://www.wolfire.com/humble
Megagun: they put a message at the top
meGenius: yeah! it's clear
meGenius: who was afraid of not releasing the code :D
meGenius: btw, they told us that three games will be released, but they just released one & working on another three to release...
Megagun: http://slashdot.org/submission/1235110/Humble-Bundle-hits-1mln-Lugarou-open-sourced?art_pos=1
mastertheknife: Yep, aquarius was suprisingly added to the list of to go open source. The video only showed Lugaru, Gish and Penumbra.
meGenius: btw
meGenius: the time to contribute is extended to another seven days
meGenius: those who wants to thank the developers or buy the other two games for a cheap price they can do so now
mjr: apparently at least for lugaru the game data will be non-free though
mjr: hmh
meGenius: it can't be free
meGenius: it will be released under GPL
meGenius: oh! sorry
meGenius: it should be free*
meGenius: anyway
Modplan: code is under GPL. Art assets like textures will still be non distributable
meGenius: good night all!
mjr: can't complain too much since I partook even when it was fully proprietary
mjr: but after ryzom, still feels a bit hollow
kettuz: From the Wolfire blog: "The game assets are included in the snapshot, and can be redistributed for free, but cannot be resold without our permission."
Modplan: does that mean it could be made as part of a distribution (at least in the repos any way)
kettuz: I understand it that way.
DonsScott: it means you can't sell it unless you deal with them, similar to Valve buying Counter Strike mod and entering a deal with garry on G-Mod.
GNU\colossus: that'd be entirely acceptable for debian nonfree, I guess
markatto: i'm almost surprised slashdot hasn't picked this up yet
NigeyUK: woohoo they did it
NigeyUK: awsome
mastertheknife: hey Nigey you missed all the action
NigeyUK: sorry :( gf wanted some attention :( lol
mastertheknife: in $997,000, the linux average was $14.40, 1 second later it was $1m and linux average was $14.57. A linux user donated $3333
joris_: NigeyUK: that's more important steam ! Let your girlfriend go !
mastertheknife: lol
Shunt31: Sorry to go a bit offtopic, but I think if you launch steam with Compiz on, it disables your drivers ( on ubuntu at least)
mastertheknife: Hmm, interesting
mastertheknife: maybe thats why mouse input is working with compiz
NigeyUK: lol joris
Shunt31: after it ran it, AWN seems to have messed up, as well as switching to and from xchat
Sir_Gallantmon: so... four games being open sourced?
Shunt31: yep
NigeyUK: woah a nix user won the day, surprise surprise
Sir_Gallantmon: I've heard that a Linux user was the one who pushed it over the $1 million mark
Modplan: It would be great to see a distribution like Ubuntu add these games, and add the ability to buy/donate for them
giselher: http://www.wolfire.com/humble/stats
markatto: aaand, slashdot picks it up :D
giselher: ^- Linux user paid more than mac users
Sir_Gallantmon: the Lugaru HD Mercurial repo is up: http://hg.icculus.org/icculus/lugaru/
DonsScott: Linux also beat Mac on platform
DonsScott: so a rough estimate would be Windows 50%, Mac 25% and Linux 25% for the humble bundle....nice stats for something that isn't supposed to be on more than 1% of computers.
giselher: DonsScott: XD
mastertheknife: Yeah
Ivanovic: yes
monreal: so now we are ready for the steam-on-linux-goes-beta announcement tomorrow? :P
zariz: anyone knows how to set gnome web browser to open magnet links in transmission?
cracker: monreal: I think that the mac client will work on linux too :p
DonsScott: i just want it to work without having to use wine.
mastertheknife: DonsScott: So am i
mastertheknife: :)
mastertheknife: DonsScott: Have you seen the screenshots of the far from complete client? Makes me think our dream might come true
Kano: monreal: it look far from beta currently..
Kano: you see that somebody worked on it
Kano: but not much more
NigeyUK: pre-alpha? lol
mastertheknife: opengl rendering issues
monreal: that was, like, a joke... :)
mastertheknife: You know, technically all left to do is: create the missing modules such as gameoverlay, fix fonts, fix opengl rendering of windows (corrupt textures?), fix small bugs such as case sensitive issues, port the games, test everything, beta
NigeyUK: not much then
mastertheknife: It can be done in 2 months if they will really work on it
NigeyUK: yup
monreal: "port the games" hehe
monreal: well, if they did the mac ports "right" we sould be set.. but who knows
markatto: I would assume that most of the mac ports were to sdl/opengl
markatto: which would mean that 95% of the work is don
mastertheknife: I don't think they used SDL, just OpenGL and OpenAL directly
d2kx: btw valve has begun porting the older source games to their newest build of the engine (orange box engine)
DonsScott: well if they get the Mac version tweaked out that would leave them with the linux to work on...
d2kx: they just released a huuuge beta update of cs source with lots of new features and a port to the orange box engine
mastertheknife: I didnt know there are multiple versions of the source engine
DonsScott: yeah
joris_: the same
d2kx: there are. they have new versions of the source engine every two years or so when a new game of theirs launches. they try to have all games on the newest version but that was a bit lacking lately
Flyser: d2kx: release notes?
Modplan: Source is supposed to be modular or something to help reduce that, but I guess it didn't work out quite so perfectly
d2kx: the orange box engine has introduced multicore cpu rendering support, dynamic shadows etc
mastertheknife: interesting
Modplan: multi core rendering was actually added a long time after the games released
mastertheknife: They are probably porting all games to the newest one because no point in porting all of these engines to Mac and Linux
d2kx: because of that they dont ship cs source etc. tomorrow with the mac client, theyre porting to the new source version first
d2kx: mastertheknife youre completely right
DonsScott: yup
mastertheknife: And for other benefits of course like multicore cpu
DonsScott: hence Valvetime
mastertheknife: multicore support*
mastertheknife: d2kx: what do you mean porting to the new source version first? I doubt they will port the older engine too
mastertheknife: If you think about it, it just doesn't make sense, its expensive. Its much easier and more useful to port the games to newest engine, which will be ported to Mac and Linux
d2kx: they will port the older games like cs source to the new engine code (the engine does not only consist of opengl/directx, there are other features). for mac and linux we will directly see the newest version because theres no point in porting the old graphics part of the engine
mastertheknife: :)
mastertheknife: I wonder what about the GoldSrc engine
mastertheknife: will it ever see the light of day on Mac and Linux ?
Modplan: gldsrc already has OpenGL support
sado1: wasn't the opengl support dropped?
sado1: in goldsrc
Modplan: nope
DarkDefender: yeah, the d3d render for gldsrc is shit .P
Kano: you still can play it with wine
Kano: in opengl mode really good
xorl: yeah i always defaulted to OGL
DonsScott: http://www.halflife2.net/wiki/index.php/Valve_time
Kosava: one more game is ported to linux http://www.hemispheregames.com/
Kosava: nice
mastertheknife: sado1: How can you say that, GoldSrc was built on OpenGL, D3D was later much later
Flyser: is the steam mac client released now? any announcement regarding linux support?
mastertheknife: sado1: In fact, GoldSrc is the quake engine but slightly modified, the quake engine is OpenGL
sado1: yeah I know that but heard somewhere that opengl renderer was dropped
sado1: good to hear it's bullshit
mastertheknife: Nah it works great, I play CS 1.6 through OpenGL through wine
mastertheknife: even windows users play CS 1.6 through OpenGL
d2kx: mastertheknife: the plan is to port goldsrc games to mac (linux) later this year
mastertheknife: d2kx: Cool, good to know :)
Ivanovic: would be lovely
Ivanovic: would allow me to play halflife1 using the open source drivers!
Ivanovic: ;)
d2kx: that should be easily doable
Ivanovic: (without anything like wine in the middle that is)
Kano: Ivanovic: wine + opengl game = very small performance loss
Ivanovic: Kano: i dislike wine as intermediate layer!
Kano: i dont, sometimes you gain alt+tab support
Kano: caster wine was better than native in first place
mastertheknife: CS 1.6 works great through wine because its OpenGL, so the OpenGL calls are pretty much simply forwarded to the driver. No need to do DirectX->OpenGL conversion
Kano: thats why ut3 is so slow
Kano: no opengl renderer
Kano: they could at least add that, when they wrote it for mac anyway
mastertheknife: UT3 not coming to linux is their loss, really
DonsScott: yeah
mastertheknife: After all, why should a linux user buy a game that was already released to windows in 2007
d2kx: epic (fail) today moaned about crytek having no understand of the console market
mastertheknife: makes you wonder if those windows players are still playing it online
Kano: well there are several unreal engine games
Kano: ut3 was just the technical demonstration of the engine, similar to id's games
Kano: they licence the engine
d2kx: gears of war was great. but they didnt bother bringing #2 and #3 to pc
Kano: you can even use the engine for iphone games now
Kano: even mortal komba vs dc universe used unreal engine 3...
Kano: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unreal_Engine_games
Kano: the engine is even free to use for non commerical projects
Kano: but not opensource
LinuxDonald: http://www.wolfire.com/humble they are not normal :)
eXlin: nice that they give source away
eXlin: i bet many young programmer can learn a lot by reading code
mastertheknife: sigh
mastertheknife: http://store.steampowered.com/news/3808/
mastertheknife: eXlin: Exactly!
The_Muh: but whats about World of Goo?
Kano: well maybe he wants to make money with the 2nd edition of goo first
rfdparker2002: mastertheknife: well presumably there'll be a fair few more blog posts / press releases in the next few days...
SimmyD: omfg
SimmyD: we got 1 min
SimmyD: mil
Kame: SimmyD: Welcome to an hour ago :p
mastertheknife: Kano you here?
Kano: yes
mastertheknife: you have the patch for lugaru ?
mastertheknife: so annoying that can't alt+tab
Kame: Even in windowed mode you can't alt+tab?
mastertheknife: yeah
eXlin: so around 700k goes for developeres. meaning about 140k per developer assuming they split money equally.
mastertheknife: it seems
Kano: mastertheknife: i have it, its in the forum or now you can just use the code ;)
Kame: That's pretty brutal, haven't played lugaru yet
eXlin: pretty nice, tho i understand why 2d boys wouldnt open source from that money yet
joris_: that's hugr
joris_: far more than they hoped ^^
Kano: Source/OpenGL_Windows.cpp
Kano: SDL_WM_GrabInput(mode) lines
james_: say what? opengl + source + windows?
mastertheknife: lol if you can send me the patch that would be much easier :P
Kano: would be easy when you accept dcc
DonsScott: http://www.wolfire.com/humble/stats <-----says it all
Kano: btw. i pasted it in phoronix too
SimmyD: hahai just got to work
SimmyD: give me a break
SimmyD: :P
james_: kano, where did you post it? link?
Kano: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23589&page=9
james_: thanks
Kano: i have a hotfix for aquaria too if you need it
mastertheknife: Kano: sorry my bad, didn't see it.. irssi doesn't really alert me, thank you!
SimmyD: pitty there was a larger amount of macos donations
SimmyD: larger people but they just donated less
mastertheknife: wow Kano you are shell expert
james_: oh it's for lugaru. i thought it was source as in "source engine". lol.
mastertheknife: Kano: where did you learn all this shell stuff
Kano: try + error
mastertheknife: works great now
mastertheknife: :)
The_Muh: is that a patch for lugaru?
Kano: The_Muh: yes
Kano: for aquaria i have a bspatch
The_Muh: my lugaru works fine - without any patch
Kano: The_Muh: the trick with it is thatn you can press alt+enter to swith to windows and then leave the game
Kano: with alt-tab
Kano: without using quit
NigeyUK: brb
The_Muh: aquaria works too...
The_Muh: (without patch)
Kano: sure it works
Kano: but you can not chat and play
Kano: you can do only 1 thing
Kano: some ppl like multitasking
rfdparker2002: hmm on the subject of garry's mod, he appears to be moving it to the newest source engine to try and support the mac ( http://www.garry.tv/?p=17451 ) so hopefully that will benifit us too
DonsScott: that would be awesome
Kame: How will that benefit us?
rfdparker2002: simply in that if we do get a linux release they'll probably only port the newest version of source
james_: You don't think that they'd port the "old" Half Life 2 also? Isn't mac getting Half Life 2?
rfdparker2002: james_: I guess they're finally moving everything to the newest steam in order for this mac (and hopefully linux) porting to work (which was the original idea with source, they just broke backwards compatibility with game content at some point)
Kano: james_: every wed a new game ;)
james_: rfdparker2002: you mean, moving everything to the newest source engine? (not steam?)
markatto: it seems stupid for them to not have everything on the same engine already
markatto: sure, it may be a little work to update older games, but do they really want to support 5 different versions of their game engine?
SimmyD: if it works dont break it :P
rfdparker2002: james_: I mean Valve will presumably finally be moving all their Source-based games, which are currently using a variety of version of Source (HL2 being the oldest, L4D2 being the newest as of now, orange box somewhere in the middle), to a new uniform version of Source, which also has OpenGL support (remember Source is the game engine, Steam is the 'content distribution platform')
markatto: man, I want to work at valve
SimmyD: mmmm if garrys mod comes to linux then my bro will make the switch not a problem lol
james_: well that's good. It's about time too. SHINY BLOOM LIGHTING IN HL2 FOR EVERYONE
DonsScott: e-mail them a resume
markatto: I have no game industry experience whatsoever sadly
DonsScott: oh
Kame: Knowing garry even if source came to linux he still wouldn't release for linux
DonsScott: i bet you he would for enough money
DonsScott: money makes people do lots of things
markatto: man, HDR in CS:S is so bad
markatto: it makes stuff hard to see
markatto: same in HL2
SimmyD: you can turn if off :P
DonsScott: you can always turn it off
DonsScott: options video advanced
markatto: yup, it just seems sad that it's so bad
rfdparker2002: from what I'd heard it was because they broke backwards compatibility with the HL2 game content when making the orange box games, so decided it'd be easier to just have seperate version for that time being, but then they made another seperate version for the L4D and L4D2. but they actually had to update HL2's game content to the orange box version for the Xbox release of the orange box, as they only had enough ro
d2kx: HL2 does not have real HDR, it is a fake implementation. this was a big subject back then
james_: Isn't there a mod for half life 2 that plays the game with the latest engine? (a good one - not the cinematic mod)
markatto: dammit, I was supposed to meet this guy for dinner
markatto: he calls me just now and is like "i'm going to be 45 minutes late"
markatto: so... I'm just gonna be sitting here for a while
james_: eat all the dinner
d2kx: sounds like a plan
DonsScott: lol yeah
markatto: I should have met him at a bar... I don't want to order before he gets here, but I could be at least ordering a drink
markatto: although maybe that is not a good idea for a business meeting
james_: it's a good idea for a drunk business meeting!
markatto: heh, well this guy will probably be my new boss
markatto: in other news, i'm selling my soul and getting a job at a MS shop
DonsScott: meh ...booze and meeting don't work out that well....no one remembers what the meeting was about the next day.
james_: exactly. meetings are pointless anyways, why remember them? :)
DonsScott: lol
ein_: any news on the steam client?
ein_: any text yet?
DonsScott: nope
LinuxDonald: only new update
james_: is there any possibility that steam won't be eventually coming to linux? I mean, could they just be toying around with no intention of an official release?
ein_: lol did the update actually do anything?
ein_: james_ it looks pretty complete for just a toy, i'd say
ein_: not worth the time just fucking around with it
redeeman: lol, blizzard has a linux client for wow
james_: yeah, i heard about that
ein_: redeeman: really?
redeeman: they haven't released
ein_: oh lol ahha
DonsScott: nah.....i think they're testing the waters and they like to build a bit of hype.
james_: Well, they certainly know the right way to build hype with linux users..
DonsScott: it'll come eventually
DarkDefender: and they would be quite dumb not to support linux if they are also porting it to mac: P
redeeman: DarkDefender: it could well be part of the deal for doing crapple support
d2kx: it will come, theyre just a bit busy at the moment
DarkDefender: yeah that could be the case... But i doubt it
redeeman: you have no way to know that, d2kx
d2kx: who knows what i know
DarkDefender: D:
james_: I'll probably get a lot less work done once the "I want to play TF2, but I don't want to reboot" obstacle is removed
DarkDefender: well i hope for it to come after my finals before summmer :P
d2kx: time to sleep >>>
DarkDefender: same
DarkDefender: gn
d2kx: n8
Kano: if (!cmdline("nomousegrab"))
Kano: SDL_WM_GrabInput(SDL_GRAB_ON);
Kano: interesting
Kano: there is already an optino in lugaru
Ivanovic: Kano: one really great aspect regarding open sourceness of those games is clearly that you can now easily fix the mousegrab behaviour!
Ivanovic: ;)
Kano: it has an option for that
Kano: you dont need to patch it
Kano: just add nomousegrab
Kano: but i replaced the binary with a selfcompiled one after i found out how to change a branch with hg
Kano: the game is very small, compiled in a few sec
Kano: [100%] Built target lugaru
Kano: real 0m6.214s
Kano: (which 2 threads)
Ivanovic: anyway, time for me heading off to bed, n8
The_Muh: a network-lugaru would be nice
The_Muh: gn8
wait4steam: hi
wait4steam: my steam client just downloaded an update
Kame: It happens
jumbers: Probably because of the CS:S beta
wait4steam: did it bring any new linux stuff?
jumbers: Doubtful
Kame: Huh. Strange. My steam won't bring up the UI after the latest update
cracker: I am having problems getting the client work on slackware
Kame: Augh, the hell did Steam? update?
Kame: Steam didn't even really update anything, why is this not working!
Azerthoth: -1000000 points for mentioning steam
r4: :o
jrgp: I just downloaded the latest zips. It updated correctly, then it failed on "loading steamui.so" Is there a current workaround for this?
Kame: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=linux32:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH LD_PRELOAD=`echo linux32/*.so` ./steam.sh
jrgp: segfaulted
kloplop321: woot, segfault
Azerthoth: wow lots of people missed yesterdays game rules
Azerthoth: for ever mention of steam ... you loose points
jrgp: it's dying on a bunch of .res files and not being able to run a font function
kloplop321: you lose points
jrgp: no, I skimmed the phoronix article and they updated the zips today
jrgp: I'm not feeding you
kloplop321: was referring to Azerthoth
jrgp: right
c0bra: hi?
jrgp: sup
GodofGrunts: Oh hai!
c0bra: news on steam?
Kame: It's broken :(
Azerthoth: *thwap*
GodofGrunts: It's hot water!
c0bra: :(
kloplop321: haha
GodofGrunts: Kame: What do you mean by broken?
Kame: Mine refuses to work after the latest update
Azerthoth: its all in the channel topic
Kame: which is odd since they didn't update any of the bins
GodofGrunts: Last update from Valve?
c0bra: the css beta sucks
Kame: GodofGrunts: Yeah
c0bra: i hate the movement
c0bra: rest is ok
Azerthoth: for latest news on piece of completely unrelated gaming software type /topic
c0bra: other than reciol
GodofGrunts: Kame: I didn't know Valve updating the client
c0bra: and killcam
c0bra: it is related
c0bra: there porting it to mac, pos linux too
GodofGrunts: Azerthoth: What are you talking about? It's all related
Azerthoth: all the news you need is already there ... that should pretty much be all the discussion needed
Azerthoth: makes it self flagellation past that
GodofGrunts: You mean the part that says "No, Steam does not work"?
kloplop321: legislation!
GodofGrunts: That's not the whole story
kloplop321: you lose points
GodofGrunts: Steams was sort of working at one point, but taht has been in the topic for the past week at least
Azerthoth: masturbation (group or not) is something best not practiced in public
GodofGrunts: Opinion
Azerthoth: and the whole conversation is just that
GodofGrunts: Also, opinion
Azerthoth: can you persoanlly fix it?
Azerthoth: personally
LinuxDonald: Kame tested it with this version? steam_client_linux?date=707568
GodofGrunts: I could whip out a hex editor if I really wanted to
Azerthoth: if yes, do so if not ... masturbation
Kame: Azerthoth: Fix what?
GodofGrunts: I'm sorry... So just because I enjoy talking about something I can't change makes it pointless? Does that mean that talking about the ways nature does things or politics is just masturbation?
GodofGrunts: Someone needs to take the stick out of their ass.
GodofGrunts: Speaking of masturbation
Azerthoth: interesting, when in doubt, insult
GodofGrunts: Not an insult, an observation my dear sir.
Azerthoth: no, that was an insult
GodofGrunts: No, you took it as an insult.
Azerthoth: telling me I have a stick in my ass is not an insult ... hoookay
GodofGrunts: I simply observed that wood like structure protruding out of your ass and mentioned out loud that someone needed to remove it.
Azerthoth: what ever keeps you in your happy place bucky
GodofGrunts: Mostly yogurt. I love that stuff
Deanjo: Sysinfo for 'nemicron': Linux 2.6.31.13-14-desktop running KDE Development Platform 4.4.3 (KDE 4.4.3), CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T at 4018 MHz (6429 bogomips), HD: 2492/3723GB, RAM: 967/8001MB, 257 proc's, 2.22min up
Kano: Deanjo: just fixed a little url error in pts, will test soon
Kano: 4 ghz is nice
Deanjo: Haven't even touched the voltage yet
Kano: welll i dont like to oc with hds attached currently...
Deanjo: Still sitting at 42 c
Deanjo: doing a handbrake encode to push it
GodofGrunts: Deanjo: Are you trying to push your CPU or GPU?
Kano: is handbrake better than mencoder?
Deanjo: cpu GodofGrunts
Deanjo: 1090T
GodofGrunts: Doesn't handbrake off load to the GPU?
Deanjo: Nope
Deanjo: no GPU at all
GodofGrunts: Oh, Hmm, I thought it did.
Deanjo: There is a fork for mac that uses opencl for the filters
GodofGrunts: Hmm, maybe that's what I was thinking about.
Deanjo: Too bad he kept it closed source for the GPU part
Deanjo: would have been nice to bring over to the linux version
GodofGrunts: :-/ Yeah that sucks. Hmm, I should try out OpenCL
Deanjo: opencl is fine, having to manage your own memory sucks though
Deanjo: Cuda FTW for the lazy man
GodofGrunts: I mostly program in C++ so it's not a huge deal
GodofGrunts: Bah cuda
Sleepy_Coder: OpenCL <3
Sleepy_Coder: Sleepy_Coder: (02:35:56) < Deanjo> Sysinfo for 'nemicron': Linux 2.6.31.13-14-desktop running KDE Development Platform 4.4.3 (KDE 4.4.3), CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T <-- Didn't notice that, how do you like it?
Deanjo: Really nice
Deanjo: Easily OC'd
Sleepy_Coder: <3
Sleepy_Coder: is running a Core i5 @ 4.1Ghz
Sleepy_Coder: Would love a few extra cores though :D
Sleepy_Coder: I don't have hyperthreading or the aes extensions that are in the i7s :(
Sleepy_Coder: is still pretty happy though
GodofGrunts: I switched to AMD this time around
GodofGrunts: Was afraid that Intel would switch sockets again
Sleepy_Coder: I wish I could have gotten one of the lovely environmental phenoms, 9350e or something? The ones that run at 65W or so
GodofGrunts: Why?
Sleepy_Coder: I believe my i5 750 runs at 120W >.>
Deanjo: Haven't even started tweaking with the voltages yet, just slapped the multiplier to 20 and rebooted. 4 Ghz first shot
Sleepy_Coder: I wanted to cut down on power usage and heat, butmeh
GodofGrunts: My 965 Black runs at 125W
Sleepy_Coder: Looks like Intel is switching sockets next year...
Deanjo: What else is new
Sleepy_Coder: has an 1156 for his i5, so hmm.
Deanjo: Change of season
GodofGrunts: Which is exactly why I didn't buy Intel this time
Sleepy_Coder: AMD definitely cares more about the average consumer >.<
kloplop321: has the 1366 for his i7
Sleepy_Coder: I love that their hexa-core proc is so much cheaper :]
GodofGrunts: I mean Bulldozer is going to be AM3
Kano: Deanjo: until it runs 24h with full load prime stable it is not secure
Sleepy_Coder: I mostly went with Intel for QuickPath :>
Sleepy_Coder: Though I haven't seen benchmarks to justify QuickPath over HyperTransport
Deanjo: Well this board has gone through a 4200+ 6400+ 9850 955BE and 1090T
GodofGrunts: Kano: you mean stable?
Sleepy_Coder: I was just worried about having a really performant proc and not getting the full experience :>
Deanjo: Kano: it's already done a 16 hour run
Sleepy_Coder: Since AMD motherboards don't yet use HT 3.1... T.T
GodofGrunts: HT is over rated
Deanjo: No AMD chipset here :D
Kano: GodofGrunts: yes, i do not like to test oc with hds connected.... reiserfs tend to lose data very fast, extX seems to live a bit longer, but...
Sleepy_Coder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths#Computer_buses <-- I've overclocked my QPI bus past the 3.2Ghz one used with the i7's
Kano: Deanjo: i think the more cores an app uses the more speed you lose with ddr2
Deanjo: Nope
Deanjo: Falicy
Sleepy_Coder: I was worried about the new board not having SATA 3.0 though.. I'm not sure if I should be worried :> I have an Intel X25-M G2 @ 80GB, reads at something like 270MB/s, writes at 80MB/s?? SATA 2.0 max bandwidth is 350MB/s? (3Gb/s)
Sleepy_Coder: Meh, was a bit of an impulse buy, but I'm happy :3
Deanjo: I've thrown that exact same 955 in a DDR3 board and the benches were neat identical
GodofGrunts: Kano: You lose data with a bad overclock?
Kano: and the 1060T too?
Kano: GodofGrunts: sure
Deanjo: With the 1090T the results were as expected with the additional cores and the turbo feature
GodofGrunts: Kano: Saved data or data being written to the disk?
Deanjo: about 1.5x on multithreaded apps and about 10% faster on the single threaded apps that used "turbo mode"
Sleepy_Coder: A friend has told me that reiserfs (reiser3) is very bad if you're trying to mount reiser inside of reiser because reiser's fsck will corrupt itself? I don't know what he does, I think it was something along the lines of loopback devices... >>.
Deanjo: The DDR3 vs DDR2 myth has been busted many times. The only thing that DDR3 has a clear advantage in is synthetic bandwidth tests
GodofGrunts: Deanjo: You say that, but I definitely notice it's faster when I alt tab out of games.
Deanjo: BS
GodofGrunts: Deanjo: I swear man, I wasn't even looking for imporovements
Deanjo: That has nothing to do with bandwidth
Sleepy_Coder: Deanjo: You say that, but I definitely notice it's faster when I startup Calculator. :p
GodofGrunts: I just did it in TF2 one day and was like "damn, when did that get so fast?"
Sleepy_Coder: noticed a difference going from 3GB of DDR2 @ 667Mhz to 8GB of DDR3 @ 1640Mhz :x
Deanjo: Ya, you win more in solitaire too Sleepy_Coder with DDR3
Sleepy_Coder: (lawl)
Sleepy_Coder: Deanjo: I can send emails faster too :p
Sleepy_Coder: Do you think I'm cool? :D
Deanjo: Ya but only the big ones :P
GodofGrunts: Although to be fair I did go from 4 GBs of 800 DDR2 to 8 GBs of 1066 DDR3
Sleepy_Coder: hehehe
Sleepy_Coder: > GodofGrunts
Sleepy_Coder: I'm sorry but I love this comparison ;x
GodofGrunts: It's true
Sleepy_Coder: has never been able to out-class someone with hardware
Sleepy_Coder: I've never had more than 3GB of memory either >.>
Deanjo: GodofGrunts: I noticed speed improvements too when I increase the amount of ram
Deanjo: Both were DDR2
Sleepy_Coder: I bought the same RAM twice for $90, pretty much... 4GB @ 1600Mhz 7-8-7-20 (2 x 2GB)
Sleepy_Coder: Corsair <3
jrgp: durp
Sleepy_Coder: herpy
GodofGrunts: Deanjo: Yeah but I'm not even using 2 GBs when I'm in TF2
Sleepy_Coder: Deanjo: Well obviously, wouldn't have to be as stringent about allocating memory if there are vast pools of free segments :\
Deanjo: You have more cached nothing more nothing less
GodofGrunts: But taht should only matter if RAM was full or almost full
GodofGrunts: It's not like it's writing to swap or anything
Deanjo: Not really with OS's executing preloads
Sleepy_Coder: has an effective bandwidth of 51.2GB/s :p (e-peen increasing)
GodofGrunts: doesn't believe Sleepy_Coder
Sleepy_Coder: I also do not use swap :( or a pagefile. Whatever you want to call it.
Sleepy_Coder: GodofGrunts: I might be bullshitting :p
Sleepy_Coder: Of course that's not real-world.
Sleepy_Coder: But I do not use swap, have never.
Sleepy_Coder: shudders
GodofGrunts: I have a swap just because I like to run tons of VMs.
Sleepy_Coder: I can't wait to reinstall Linux sometime...
GodofGrunts: And sometimes I max out my 8 GBs
GodofGrunts: Sleepy_Coder: What are you using?
Sleepy_Coder: Then I can really benefit from the excessive memory I have...
Sleepy_Coder: Win 7 atm :(
GodofGrunts: Eww
Sleepy_Coder: I have a Lin install but I can't seem to boot into it
Deanjo: is wondering how far he can push it, 4Ghz isn't breaking a sweat yet
Sleepy_Coder: It seems to be lacking SATA support in the kernel, even though I know it's there. None of my drives show up though...
Sleepy_Coder: My i5 750 is reviewed to be unstable past 4.1Ghz
GodofGrunts: Deanjo: What is your temps at load?
Deanjo: 42 c
Sleepy_Coder: And I wouldn't want to overclock it further, not very practical...
Sleepy_Coder: (imo)
Deanjo: on air
GodofGrunts: Deanjo: Holy shit you must have an amazing cooler
Sleepy_Coder: Worried about power, I kept C-States on, disabled Turbo Boost
Deanjo: Thermalright 120 extreme
Sleepy_Coder: Yes, what is your cooler?
Sleepy_Coder: googles
GodofGrunts: I had one like that for my q6600
Deanjo: push pull config with the fans lazily turning at 1200 rpm
Sleepy_Coder: Must be an amazing CPU >.>
GodofGrunts: Got me all the way to 3.9 stable
Deanjo: You wanna OC an AMD CPU..... get a Nvidia chipset
Sleepy_Coder: tries the Corsair H50 liquid cooling system for $80 yesterday
GodofGrunts: Oh lord no
Sleepy_Coder: I was disappoint.
GodofGrunts: hates nvidia chipsets
Deanjo: I've constantly OC much higher with a NV chipset
Sleepy_Coder: I have a silly plastic adapter to go from an 80mm fan to a 120mm fan inside the back of my case, amazingly enough the vent is large enough, but it was an epic battle getting the h50 radiator + fan clipped in there...
GodofGrunts: It seems like every NV chipset I have has NIC issues, or the solder goes breaks or something
GodofGrunts: is leaving work peaxr
Deanjo: Never had that GodofGrunts
Sleepy_Coder: And then the tubes for it made me very nervous bending them in to get the case door closed
Deanjo: I've owned many many many nv chipset boards
dashcloud: for anyone who has a CRT tv, what's the max resolution your video card can output to it? (I ask because it's not exactly obvious)
Deanjo: all for AMD cpus mind you
Deanjo: I know the intel versions were shitty
Kame: dashcloud: 1024*768 for me
Sleepy_Coder: Oh, and my dad bought an EEE PC for $130 yesterday :D Yay for Best Buy open-box sales
Sleepy_Coder: It was certainly scuffed but I cleaned it and buffed most of the scratches out
dashcloud: that's about what I get- glad to know that someone else gets it as well
Sleepy_Coder: Thinking of getting a 4GB module of PC6400 to put in it for hopefully $100...
Sleepy_Coder: I know only like 3.5GB will be addressable without PAE...
Sleepy_Coder: Hmm, I feel like I've discussed this already >.> Am I repeating myself?
Sleepy_Coder: Can't find it in scrollback, but I'll shut up just to be safe :p
Deanjo: *chuckle* forgot I was still doing handbrake in the background http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=deanjo-6672-6174-28545
Sleepy_Coder: hahaha
Sleepy_Coder: *chuckle* forgot I was ending world hunger, curing cancer, and saving gotham from the joker in the background
Sleepy_Coder: huggles his Core i5 <3
MPX: Deanjo: I'm running the asus m4a79t deluxe am3 board....FSB is at 300 x 12.5 on a phenom II x4 955 BE
MPX: I've heard nothing but bad things about nv chipsets
MPX: Sorry, just had to say something :)
Deanjo: Well you have heard fanboy talk
Sleepy_Coder: :D
Sleepy_Coder: didn't have any trouble with his last nv mobo, aside from it being a cheap board with sucky bios that didn't let him overclock at all :(
MPX: It's also running off air
Sleepy_Coder: overclock/underclock*
Deanjo: My 955 BE hit 4.2 on air no problem
Sleepy_Coder: Air forever <3 I just hope someday we'll go back to using heatsinks only.
MPX: Mine can't hit 4
MPX: C2 stepping :(
Deanjo: and that thing required extra voltage to do that, this 1090T is an OC champ compared to it
Sleepy_Coder: Yesterday I was having such a little nostalgia fit... was thinking about putting Linux on my old 486 just to not hear fans anymore :(
Deanjo: Mine was C2 as well MPX
MPX: What was the voltage on that thing? 1.60?
Deanjo: 1.5
MPX: hmmm....did ya validate it?
Deanjo: I might have, can't remember, was like almost a year ago
MPX: Because everybody else in the world has had problems reaching 4.1 ghz on air with a 955 be no matter what the stepping :S And even hitting 4 ghz 1.55vcore has always been minimum
MPX: Sorry if I'm kinda doubtful :s
Deanjo: What ever, not ripping out my proc and HSF to fit your fancy
MPX: Just making convo. It'd be cool if you could prove it though
Deanjo: Hmmm come to think of it, time to retake my GMP-Pi throne back
Deanjo: http://gmplib.org/pi-with-gmp.html <--- my 955
Kovensky: You wanna OC an AMD CPU..... get a Nvidia chipset <-- I OCed mine with a SiS chipset, couldn't get more than 110MHz without computer freezing >_>
Kovensky: though
Kovensky: LOL SIS
Deanjo: OC'ing with a SiS chipset is like trying to overclock an iPhone
Sleepy_Coder: a toaster*
Deanjo: Dammit, time to do some library optimization
Deanjo: http://pastebin.com/rJcZQHJz
Deanjo: http://h2np.net/pi/pi_thread_e.html
Sleepy_Coder: >.>
Deanjo: k10 optimizations here we come :D
rektide: nv chipsets havent overclocked well for the past four years
rektide: its been a slow slide down hill since Soundstorm with dolby encoding died
rektide: i laughed my ass off when i heard of Tegra
rektide: their mobo chipsets consumed ~30-40 watts of power at the time
Deanjo: Well I have a huge ass collection of nforce boards that would disagree with ya
Deanjo: Well, lets try 4.2 Ghz now
Deanjo: Sysinfo for 'nemicron': Linux 2.6.31.13-14-desktop running KDE Development Platform 4.4.3 (KDE 4.4.3), CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T at 4219 MHz (6429 bogomips), HD: 2492/3723GB, RAM: 827/8001MB, 248 proc's, 1.4min up
Deanjo: and still stock voltage
Deanjo: booooyaaa
Sleepy_Coder: ooh nice :o
Sleepy_Coder: I could go 4.3Ghz though
Sleepy_Coder: makes a snapping motion and rocks his head back and forth in a show-me-up facial expression
Sleepy_Coder: wonders if Creative open-sourced the entirety of their drivers.... I want Crystallizer and EAX extensions on Linux :(
Deanjo: lol Keep dreaming
Sleepy_Coder: gets the bull whip
Deanjo: Can't even give midi supportt
Deanjo: brb
Sleepy_Coder: I'm just glad for playback, but I wish they had updated their proprietary drivers at least :(
Sleepy_Coder: To include said features :>
Sleepy_Coder: has a Creative Fatal1ty Pro :3
Sleepy_Coder: And Sennheiser HD 280 Pro headphones to match
Sleepy_Coder: I honestly couldn't believe how much a difference in quality there was when I got the card... I had always operated under the assumption that integrated cards these days were more than adequate :x
Sleepy_Coder: But I might be a little too easily-impressed :3
Sleepy_Coder: And I hyphenate when I shouldn't. :x
Sleepy_Coder: And sometimes I brush my teeth with Kool-Aid powder.
SimmyD: haha kool-aid
SimmyD: my mind is totally buzzed out now
Sleepy_Coder: I remember one time, I actually emailed someone about getting permission to show some of their art on my site...
Sleepy_Coder: the person was all embarassed and said yes, and thanked me for loving their work, and then I never used the art because I got bored
Sleepy_Coder:
madshaun1984-ps3: hi
madshaun1984-ps3: anuone here any good with the mesa make linux-cell compile errors?
madshaun1984-ps3: on ps3
Sir_Brizz: LOL
Sir_Brizz: I think this describes the difference between Mac users and Linux users perfectly
Sir_Brizz: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1262853
Sir_Brizz: whining about shortcut locations or how shortcuts work
Sir_Brizz: while we don't even have a functional client and we are ecstatic
Sir_Brizz: rofl
Sir_Brizz: one of the replies
Sir_Brizz: Good, I hate mac's and apple( Open source with them isn't really open) with every fiber of my body...( But if we get a Linux client out of it - that would be cool)
Azerthoth|D: *facepalm*
Sir_Brizz: I used to have a decent Mac that would get sluggish if too much Flash was playing
Sir_Brizz: nevermind having a full blown game running in the background
Sleepy_Coder: He's got a real point with the Dock issues though.
Sleepy_Coder: I would be disappoint. xd
Sleepy_Coder: if the Linux client they release is as bad as he describes the Mac client is, I think I'm done caring about commercial games on Linux.
eXlin: my steam account is hijacked
Sleepy_Coder: The other main reason I have looked forware to the Steam client so much is because a lot of my friends *only* use it for talking to me.
eXlin: dunno really how
Sleepy_Coder: forward*
Sleepy_Coder: I wish someone made a messenger or something that could identify with Steam so you could view and chat with your friends on your Steam profile :\
Sleepy_Coder: Wished for that long before the actual porting of the Source engine
NeoX: only use wine to play cs:s (not well but plays better using wine than tf2
Sleepy_Coder: Need an XFire for Linux
NeoX: pushing the envelope
Sleepy_Coder: Steam is not quite as versatile as xfire in that respect.
Sleepy_Coder: I wish Quake Live didn't need to be launched from a browser :(
Sleepy_Coder: What's with all these ass-backwards game launchers and messengers?
Sleepy_Coder: rages
madshaun1984-ps3: will anyone help a guy out?
madshaun1984-ps3: I grabbed the source for mesa-7.8.1
madshaun1984-ps3: installed the cellsdk
madshaun1984-ps3: then ran make linux-cell, its compiled ok now, but I cant for some rerason export the libray path to run a demo or to confirm its working via glxinfo
madshaun1984-ps3: any ideas what im doing wrong?