eXlin: anything interesting happened?
eXlin: well i g2g for work...
godofgrunts: What's up guys?
NigeyUK: weeeeeeeee plop morning all
Flyser_mobile: morning. any news about steam?
NigeyUK: none that i know of since the update last night
NigeyUK: was just an update to steamclient.so
NigeyUK: but i feel as the mac client gets closer to its supposed release wednesday, we may see more updates to the linux client to
Flyser_mobile: _if_ the mac client is released on schedule
Flyser_mobile: i doubt that ;)
espes: the mac client just got updated
NigeyUK: ahh
espes: it now complains about having a case sensitive filesystem -_-
NigeyUK: so it got an update within 12 hours of the linux client
NigeyUK: interesting
espes: NigeyUK: Well, it might have been updated a few days ago
espes: I only just got around to launching it
NigeyUK: ahh i get ya
NigeyUK: but bitching about case sensitive fs .. thats odd..
espes: NigeyUK: that's just bad coding practice
espes: Common, valve. It's not that ard to standardise caseh
espes: hard*
espes: case*
NigeyUK: lmao
NigeyUK: valves coding does tend to be somewhat erratic to say the least
NigeyUK: all they did to the linux client was give it a corrupt stack :(
Flyser_mobile: yet
espes: "CSteamUpdater::BEnsureDirectoryCaseInsensitive(char const*)" -_-
NigeyUK: eek
NigeyUK: espes, do you have the link for the public pad, or the 2a vgui patch handy? im on the laptop and ubuntu one hasnt synced my bookmarks from the desktop again :@
espes: NigeyUK: http://openetherpad.org/ep/pad/view/0UmBOBf27q/latest
espes: Nothing new :\
NigeyUK: cheers, yeah i doubt anything is gonna work on the laptop, just want to check the bt again
NigeyUK: #2 0x00000000 in ?? ()
NigeyUK: grrr
christian_lappy: NigeyUK: but mac is also case sensitiv isn't it ?
NigeyUK: yup
christian_lappy: idn't that test strange then ?
NigeyUK: its the mac that has the case error not the linux client
NigeyUK: its a bit odd
NigeyUK: but valve are sloppy sometimes
christian_lappy: super odd
christian_lappy: let us pray for a linux client ;-)
NigeyUK: :)
christian_lappy: btw, does the steam client not accept some istall app comamnd line switch ?
christian_lappy: the bypassed the startup so why not try to install a app :-)
NigeyUK: nope, lucky if you can get a ui up let alone switches .. the -dev switch i was hoping would work but nada
christian_lappy: but -login seems to work ?
NigeyUK: yeah, itll log you in and connect just fine, you can even have the friends list up, but no fonts so kinda useless right now
NigeyUK: funky /home/VALVE/rackadmin/buildslave/steam_main_linux/build/src/steamUI
mastertheknife: hey good morning
NigeyUK: morning dude
mastertheknife: afternoon actually :P brb got to go pickup kids
NigeyUK: lol oki
meGenius_: hi all!
christian_lappy: hi#
meGenius_: where can i get the latest steam linux executables??
NigeyUK: http://store.steampowered.com/public/client/steam_client_linux
NigeyUK: bbs :D
rhughes: OUT!
SimmyD: gooooood evening all
Xenden: hi all
Xenden: can somebody show me some information, how can I try the linux steam client?
SimmyD: its up on the forum i think
SimmyD: i dont have a linky
SimmyD: i want it soo bad
meGenius|HOME: download the packages in http://store.steampowered.com/public/client/steam_client_linux, Xenden
SimmyD: with valve would hurry up
Xenden: i tried it last week, but now it is work for me
Xenden: isn't
SimmyD: yea that link is a 404
meGenius|HOME: which link??
SimmyD: ... the one you just posted
mastertheknife: there is a script that does the work easier
mastertheknife: let me find it
d2kx: fix your irc client to remove the , at the end
SimmyD: haha
SimmyD: cheers :P
SimmyD: d2kx:
meGenius|HOME: SimmyD: it works for me
mastertheknife: use this: http://pastie.org/private/7beyz4mfvy36lwx3v4kwtg
SimmyD: meGenius|HOME: xchat kept the ,
mastertheknife: irssi for the win :P
SimmyD: mastertheknife: i SHOULD be using that but i am lazy tonight
giselher: weechat FTW
meGenius|HOME: damn freenode, giselher
Nevtus: irssi is the client of the future ;)
redeeman: haha ^^
meGenius|HOME: mibbit is the best, but freenode crazies don't want to see somebody else
Nevtus: mibbit is the website right?
giselher: I only use irssi in hurd, because it's faster
SimmyD: irssi is awesome
meGenius|HOME: Nevtus: yup!
Nevtus: are you joking or really running a hurd system?
SimmyD: yay seg fault
SimmyD: sigh
mastertheknife: SimmyD: did you apply the vgui 2a patch ?
giselher: Nevtus: I am a ArchHurd dev
mastertheknife: giselher: nice! :)
SimmyD: nope i am going take my own advice and head to the forum now ;)
mastertheknife: SimmyD: you need the patch.. fonts not working messes something up and causes it to crash
mastertheknife: http://www.jnumbers.com/mirror/vgui2_s-1273290921_2a.bspatch
Nevtus: sometimes I feel sorry for the GNU. Linux stole all the limelight
meGenius|HOME: mastertheknife: who made the patch??
mastertheknife: By the way people
giselher: http://www.archhurd.org
mastertheknife: I think valve is teasing us
mastertheknife: meGenius|HOME: Does it matter? ;)
meGenius|HOME: mastertheknife: for me, yeah!
mastertheknife: They teased the mac people 1 month before they announced the client
mastertheknife: i guess in 2 months they will announce a linux client
mastertheknife: maybe more
meGenius|HOME: i think that too, mastertheknife
Nevtus: with photoshopped images. makes sense to tease us with bits of the client on unlinked to parts of ones of their websites
mastertheknife: although the way they teased the mac users was different, the manifest url (steam_client_) wasn't known back then, so valve "leaked" some steam mac screenshots, this was later confirmed by valve
meGenius|HOME: :D
SimmyD: they hsould just release the linux version before mac
SimmyD: just so show who is boss
meGenius|HOME: mac users don't dig as linux users do :P
mastertheknife: meGenius|HOME: The patch was made by me and espes.
Xenden: when will be the mac client released?
mastertheknife: Xenden: may 12th
Nevtus: 13th, Linux announcement! (we can hope)
Xenden: and this is only a beta or this is the "full" version
Xenden: ?
meGenius|HOME: mastertheknife: i wonder how the patchers work :D
Nevtus: it's meant to be a public release, so I think full
mastertheknife: meGenius|HOME: We debugged the program, found out where its crashed and created a binary patch..
mastertheknife: meGenius|HOME: the changes: http://openetherpad.com/ep/pad/view/0UmBOBf27q/latest
mastertheknife: I'm now working on fixing the case sensitive issues
mastertheknife: with hope that valve might make use of it
meGenius|HOME: Xenden: even beta will be good, at leasr, we will know that valve cares about us
Nevtus: oh you mean the linux client being a beta? At this stage it's pre alpha from the looks of it
Xenden: no, i mean the mac client .
mastertheknife: meGenius|HOME: This is the client running on linux, this video was made 1-2 days ago from someone in this channel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTgqdlA_jE8
meGenius|HOME: mastertheknife: i'm a python programmer, so i don't interact with the binary that much, i'm missing that part of programming
mastertheknife: meGenius|HOME: As you can see in the video, the client exists! why code something like that if they don't plan on releasing it? waste of money to pay to the developers
mastertheknife: meGenius|HOME: Ah python.. one missing tab and program crashes :P
mastertheknife: C :)
SimmyD: wow
giselher: mastertheknife: It's a different way of programming
SimmyD: got it working
SimmyD: thats cool
Nevtus: giselher: you've made me want to try hurd now. I think I'll give it a spin in a VM
SimmyD: well "working"
mastertheknife: giselher: Yeah, which can be prone to errors if you aren't careful
meGenius|HOME: mastertheknife: i beleive that they are going to realease a linux client, but who knows when? nobody :)
giselher: Nevtus: We have a livecd
Xenden: mastertheknife: And what's up with the font problem? It is hard to fix?
meGenius|HOME: mastertheknife: & this is the best part of python :P
SimmyD: all i got was the logon screen
mastertheknife: SimmyD: you can get further now
SimmyD: is that all thats ment to be working?
giselher: mastertheknife: the right IDE shows you missings tabs and spaces
meGenius|HOME: damn!
SimmyD: mastertheknife: ahh i cant enter anything into the login
meGenius|HOME: this is the first time i see this video
SimmyD: o well :P good to see it at far at least
mastertheknife: SimmyD: you can, but you can't see it
SimmyD: ahhh
meGenius|HOME: even the ads window is there :D
meGenius|HOME: valve cares about ads too much :P
mastertheknife: SimmyD: mouse input doesn't really work without gnome+compiz but you can use the tab button to switch fields.. enter user, pass and hit enter.. you can also login this way: -login
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: tried ither cmd argumebts ?
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: like applaunch or install ?
meGenius|HOME: mastertheknife: since you are a c programmer & a patcher, do you think that the client is 100% ready but the other controls are not being shown just for "teasing" us??
mastertheknife: christian_lappy: hi christian.. yeah, -login -install 240 does soemthing interesting i heard but nothing happend here
mastertheknife: meGenius|HOME: im not really a programmer its not a job i just sometimes play with things or code small stuff a as a hobby.. and it seems the client needs a lots of work, but it can be finished in 2 months if valve will really work on it and not like one day in a week
SimmyD: it will be interesting when they release stats of usage after the release
adrien: UI coding is really hard, especially since valve seems to go for their own, custom, UI
adrien: would have been a good choice if they first did the core logic, tested it, checked it was possible on linux and working as expected and only then, worked on the UI
Nevtus: they are doing it directly in X11 it seems. that is fairly difficult
mastertheknife: adrien: Yeah, they have platform independent code. Their GUI resides in .res files with custom format, and those files are used on all platforms
meGenius|HOME: i wonder if we will wait since we see the first valve game on linux, i hope that valve done the porting of some games especially CS:S
mastertheknife: adrien: However there are lots of windows stuff inside, kind of feels like a duct taped client
Nevtus: I'd say at least the orange box and the latest L4D with Portal 2 in the works.
meGenius|HOME: Nevtus: i like portal 2
meGenius|HOME: who plays CS:S here??
mastertheknife: adrien: seems like networking part works well. Yesterday someone tested chatting, it worked good
Nevtus: you like Portal 2? It's not out yet
meGenius|HOME: mastertheknife: chatting on steam??
adrien: I think that chrome relied so much on the windows api that when they wanted to port it to linux, they made a wrapper to be able to use some of the same functions than on windows
mastertheknife: adrien: He typed a message to someone, of course he couldnt see what he typed, but the other side could read it
adrien: heheh :P
meGenius|HOME: Nevtus: sorry, i meant portal :P
mastertheknife: adrien: thats pretty much how the linux client works, some of it.
adrien: from what I've seen of the error messages, it really feels like it's mostly the UI which is incomplete or buggy
meGenius|HOME: adrien: google sometimes act like a windows spy
adrien: after all, they only need one single bug in the font handling to remove text everywhere
adrien: meGenius|HOME: heheh :P
SimmyD: haha
SimmyD: well i managed to remember my login details lol
meGenius|HOME: :D
mastertheknife: adrien: something inside the program about the fonts is messed up but the font system is pretty big and hard to debug, unless you find linuxfont.cpp, it seems that the fonts are being loaded properly, but something else fails inside
SimmyD: been so long since i logged into steam
meGenius|HOME: who tried that on Fedora 12??
mastertheknife: meGenius|HOME: Yeah chatting on steam works, except that you can't read anything because of no fonts
meGenius|HOME: mastertheknife: good to know!!
SimmyD: i just tried it on fedorea 13
SimmyD: meGenius|HOME:
meGenius|HOME: i thought that valve will release a mini-Steam at first, like the other companies do
meGenius|HOME: SimmyD: what was the results??
meGenius|HOME: result*
adrien: mastertheknife: exactly
SimmyD: meGenius|HOME: i used the login cmd line
SimmyD: meGenius|HOME: i get it log in ok and makes three windows on the task bar
SimmyD: meGenius|HOME: but they dont actually show up on the screen
meGenius|HOME: DAMN!
SimmyD: meGenius|HOME: three windows is games server and friends or something like that
SimmyD: i am running only an intel onboard though
SimmyD: its my lappy lol
mastertheknife: adrien: the font its trying to use is Arial, i installed it, and even the program loads it fine, but still no go, i even went changing resources/steamscheme.res and resources/styles/steamstyle.styles also with no luck in getting the fonts to work
meGenius|HOME: i hope we will not see over-distributions-bugs
SimmyD: well if they are doing things like talking directly to x11 then you think they would be able make it universal
SimmyD: i hope :P
meGenius|HOME: all of us, not you only :D
mastertheknife: they do direct x11 because they want the client to have its own style, window decoration etc
mastertheknife: and because it uses some opengl rendering it seems
meGenius|HOME: even the windows client??
SimmyD: haha that would be funny
mastertheknife: meGenius|HOME: The goal is to get the client to look the same in all platforms
meGenius|HOME: i mean, does the windows client use opengl or not??
mastertheknife: If they wanted it to have KDE or Gnome window decoration or colors they would have used QT, GTK or something like that
SimmyD: now what i want to see is better performance for source games on linux :D
mastertheknife: meGenius|HOME: oh, don't think so
SimmyD: i think its good they have not gone down the kde or gnome way
meGenius|HOME: why :D
gitano: what i want is finally an official statement
meGenius|HOME: SimmyD: me too
gitano: this teasing is killing me nerves :p
meGenius|HOME: :D
SimmyD: meGenius|HOME: i am a gnome guy but they will want it working on everything looking the same
meGenius|HOME: gitano: it's the best part of the things :P
SimmyD: they should release the first working client on usenet in a crazy group
gitano: :D nah, not if u have been waiting 5 years for this
SimmyD: see how long till it gets found
meGenius|HOME: SimmyD: & i'm a big GNOME enemy, i hate it & i hate GTK+, i'm a qt programmer & a KDE fan. my point is that even they used qt over all platforms it will not be the same. qt on windows, for example, sucks.
SimmyD: meGenius|HOME: haha opposites :P i can respect that though.
meGenius|HOME: :D
meGenius|HOME: anyway, i should go now
gitano: stop that qt/gtk war already :P
SimmyD: haha
SimmyD: i was being nice and all !
gitano: ;)
meGenius|HOME: :D
SimmyD: :P
Rednaxela: About GTK vs QT, I have just this to say: I find a majority of QT programs also rely on libkde, whereas most GTK programs do not rely on libgnome ;)
meGenius|HOME: gitano: SimmyD started that :P
SimmyD: haha
meGenius|HOME: Rednaxela: it's because KDE is biggest Qt application ever
gitano: see, thats the big issue with linuxes, all that fuss about "the right" wm
gitano: unite!
mastertheknife: meGenius|HOME: KDE4 looks great
SimmyD: i actually like gnome-shell
SimmyD: runs
gitano: used to prefer e17
mastertheknife: the client looks good under KDE4: http://i.imgur.com/qwPSx.jpg
mastertheknife: :P
Nevtus: flickering without compiz?
gitano: still, if i'd go back to linux as a gaming box again, i'd run some slim desktop shell
SimmyD: mine looked similar to that with compiz
meGenius|HOME: i hope that one day all ditros would use one packaging system + one GUI tool kit
SimmyD: meGenius|HOME: i dont really
SimmyD: i dont mind there being two major ones
meGenius|HOME: mastertheknife: do you use KDE??
SimmyD: i think rpm is the way though ;)
mastertheknife: meGenius|HOME: Thats KDE 4.3.5 with the oxygen theme, on gentoo 64bit, no compiz.
Nevtus: meGenius|HOME: this misses one of the main pluses of open systesm - choice
SimmyD: Nevtus: agree
meGenius|HOME: SimmyD: we suck because of the two packaging system
SimmyD: meGenius|HOME: ?
gitano: mastertheknife: nice screenshot
meGenius|HOME: mastertheknife: i see!
SimmyD: i miss my gentoo days :P
Nevtus: two packaging systems?
Flyser_mobile: mastertheknife: have you tried to find out why one edge of the most rectangles is (0,0)?
mastertheknife: no :S
meGenius|HOME: i meant rpm + deb
mastertheknife: gitano, meGenius|HOME thanks :)
gitano: kde4 is quite nice.. only thing is that it reminds me too much of vista :p
SimmyD: lsf says rpm so rpm it is :p
SimmyD: wonders what he has started haha
meGenius|HOME: i'm not against the open choices, but spreading the efforts over 10 packaging systems is a crazy thing
gitano: cool stuff about kde4 though is that unified theme for gtk+qt apps :)
SimmyD: meGenius|HOME: when you get to 10 that is crazy
meGenius|HOME: gitano+1
SimmyD: i dont mind 2 - 3
mastertheknife: I only use 1 GTK application (Pidgin) and it works good under kDE4
SimmyD: rpm, deb and portage :P
Rednaxela: meGenius|HOME: Both rpm and deb distributions bother me personally. Always had bad experiences with the package system going mad and breaking. Not so with some others ;)
SimmyD: i really never had trouble with portage
mastertheknife: gitano: but vista is crap and you pay money for it, linux with kde4 looks better, is more stable and is free :P
SimmyD: just the install times haha
Nevtus: Valve should put up a PKGBUILD :D
meGenius|HOME: Rednaxela: nor me :/
SimmyD: Nevtus: hahaha
gitano: mastertheknife: never questioned that ;)
Rednaxela: prefers Arch Linux's pacman system :)
meGenius|HOME: Nevtus: :D
IsSuE-: Nevtus: pacman & aur <3
Nevtus: indeed. <3
gitano: Rednaxela: +1 arch rulez
mastertheknife: portage <3
meGenius|HOME: is moving off
SimmyD: mastertheknife: +1
SimmyD: see you meGenius|HOME
IsSuE-: true that portage is nice too :)
SimmyD: never really tried arch
IsSuE-: should do so then, u will fall in love :)
SimmyD: i started working with redhat servers so i stuck with fedora
gitano: yeah.. if u have a decent cpu (aka multicore) gportage is bearable ;D
Rednaxela: ex-gentoo user here, but got tired of some of the mess over there. Moved to Arch because of it being less of a mess while still having a continuous update package system instead of messing with
mastertheknife: I never tried arch but i always hear good things about it, i heard its like gentoo just without the need to compile, that can be useful.
gitano: Rednaxela: same here, hehe
SimmyD: i think gentoo has cleaned up its game of late
SimmyD: from what i have heard anyway
mastertheknife: In the past me and a friend bought a Dedicated server, it had CentOS 5.2, it also has a very good package manager (yum), all updates were smooth
Rednaxela: I left Gentoo around the time of the big governance scandals, haven't really looked at what has happened since in Gentoo
SimmyD: mastertheknife: yea i run a centos server on the net for personal stuff
SimmyD: rock solid
mastertheknife: Rednaxela: things cooled down a little, and daniel robbins moved on to funtoo
Nevtus: the nice thing about arch is you can use binaries for most things and make custom compiled packages using the AUR for little known software + commercial stuff which can't be rehosted
Rednaxela: mastertheknife: Ahh. Well, that wasn't my only issue with Gentoo, but it's good to hear that's improved
mastertheknife: Rednaxela: Portage also very improved with the sets, slots etc
SimmyD: hrm might have to give gentoo another look....
mastertheknife: Rednaxela: Also, in the past, emerging was like this: download, compile, install, download, compile, install
mastertheknife: Rednaxela: now there is a background process downloading all the files, even while compiling
SimmyD: really?!!
mastertheknife: SimmyD: yeah
SimmyD: i always thought they should have done it that way
Rednaxela: mastertheknife, Parallel download was avaliable in the past too via non-default options, I set those options when I used gentoo in the past ;)
gitano: has macports, enuff gentoo for him :P
mastertheknife: Rednaxela: oh, now its default :)
SimmyD: still run it now mas?
SimmyD: still run it now mastertheknife
mastertheknife: SimmyD: yeah..
SimmyD: sweet
SimmyD: i do miss getting all the latest releases
mastertheknife: this installation is from 2008
mastertheknife: Its great that you never have to upgrade a gentoo install
l_bratch: Indeed - this one is from Feb 2005!
mastertheknife: l_bratch: Nice :)
Rednaxela: Yeah, that quality is shared by Arch, and was one of the major reasons I was able to move away from Gentoo
gitano: :)
asciiwolf: hello
SimmyD: awww dammit you guys are going ot make me install it now
mastertheknife: hey asciiwolf
asciiwolf: any news?
gitano: 'lo asciiwolf
asciiwolf: wow, I see, it's downloading new update...
mastertheknife: asciiwolf: thats from yesterday, only steamclient.so was updated
asciiwolf: ah
SimmyD: they must see this stuff and laugh so hard
SimmyD: (valve)
mastertheknife: there are chat logs on the site so its possible
SimmyD: there could even be a valve employee in here now
SimmyD: looks around
gitano: hides
SimmyD: haha
gitano: :P
mastertheknife: As soon as they announce the client, i'll go and try to apply as a beta tester :P
SimmyD: i serioulsy will just buy as many games as i can to support it
gitano: mastertheknife: u might have good chances :)
mastertheknife: gitano: but i dont own many games though, so im not sure
SimmyD: ahh do they look at your current games list?
SimmyD: haha i have heeeeps but all from like 2 years ago
mastertheknife: no idea
gitano: well, i bet they do
SimmyD: 2 years was BEL for me
mastertheknife: The valve complete pack sounds like a good deal to me, i might buy it on a new account if they will make a linux client
gitano: for the mac beta u had to send yur hardware specs to apply
SimmyD: before exclusive linux
mastertheknife: gitano: where to apply ?
gitano: http://store.steampowered.com/macbeta/
mastertheknife: thanks.. so its probably just changing the mac to linux in the link when the time comes
gitano: probably
SimmyD: if/when it does come out for linux it will be a big change i think
SimmyD: just with the ability to easily publish games to linux users without boxes
kloplop321: I would go and officially get a steam ID and buy a few games if they made the linux client
SimmyD: i think alot of people would do that :)
kloplop321: I'm one of them ;)
SimmyD: ah now i am all excited again
SimmyD: and i am meant to be going ot bed
SimmyD: sigh
kloplop321: I'm just getting up, ready for school
Kano: michaellarabel:
Kano: checking phoronix-test-suite.diff:
Kano: 49 files changed, 685 insertions(+), 1474 deletions(-)
d2kx: actually on the 12th the mac client doesnt officially launch as a release version, but it becomes an open beta, still without all the games (but more than in closed beta)
somename: hey
gitano: ho :)
mastertheknife: I'm working on fixing the case sensitive issue causing creation of "Steamstore.steampowered.com" next to "steamstore.steampowered.com" and "Steam" next to "steam"
mastertheknife: so far fixed the first one, second on the way
Kano: good
NigeyUK: meh
NigeyUK: i HATE cementing :(
mastertheknife: hey NigeyUK
NigeyUK: hey dude
NigeyUK: did you see those dirs i pasted earlier from the steam binary ?
NigeyUK: just that little more proof for the naysayers ... lol
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: no..
NigeyUK: oh, they point to a build enviroment on the valve linux dev server, for the engine, not just the client
asraniel: One could argue that they actually developed a big part of the osx port with linux. if they have all windows machines for devs, its easier to get a dual boot linux that all new machines
NigeyUK: asraniel, true
NigeyUK: but
NigeyUK: these are very specific linux locations, and files, they would be of no use even on the osx version
AsciiWolf: NigeyUK, good news!
NigeyUK: it is, valve cant deny a linux port now, either of the engine, or the client, and the naysayers .. well .. if they still say nay after seeing them, they are ignorant, blind, and well, in denial tbh
sado1: people just don't want get the false hopes up
NigeyUK: well no1 is saying go crack the champagne open, but this is a big step for linux either way
joris_: hey o/
NigeyUK: hey joris
NigeyUK: is there a dev at valve named dberger any1 know ?
asraniel: they can still say that it's just a test build to develop the osx client, because it's easier to develop with linux. it does not mean that they will actually release it
d2kx: NigeyUK yes he is one of the developers working on the Linux client, we know that
NigeyUK: so if its easier to develop with linux why not go the extra mile and finish a working linux version ... :p
joris_: d2kx: how do you know that ?
joris_: NigeyUK: ^^
NigeyUK: cause its in the steamclient.so file .. lol
d2kx: he is mentioned in all the steam linux libraries
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: Yes, there is
joris_: lol
asraniel: NigeyUK: i'm just saying ;) there might be commercial reasons not to release a linux version but from a developement standpoint it could still make sense to develop one
mastertheknife: you can find him in valve's website
joris_: he wants to be famous inside the linux community :)
mastertheknife: How can i get the timestamp of a file (integer) ?
mastertheknife: ls doesnt seem to have it
NigeyUK: i agree with you asraniel .. but i think why waste the effort of developing on linux and not bringing it to completion, hell even if only 1 in 5 linux users buys a game off steam for their linux distro, valve will have made money, and thats what it boils down to
NigeyUK: ls -la ?
NigeyUK: oh integer
mastertheknife: no there isnt.. no worry ill just do it another way
mastertheknife: I just finished 2 patches
NigeyUK: 2? :o
NigeyUK: you've been busy while ive been cementing the new patio lol
asraniel: NigeyUK: there could be reasons. bad gpu drivers for example and the differences in libraries between the distris. it could be hard to create a good quality code that works on all distries with all gpu drivers. So for reputation reasons, they could choose to not release it. I mean, it will put valve in a bad light if they release a buggy steam, or a buggy half life engine
NigeyUK: i was discussing that with a friend yesterday, that could well be a valid reason for NOT bringing out a linux client, and i have no answer to it other than this .. start to standardise the distros a bit, and tbh i dont think gfx drivers will be a problem, ill be if this came to linux nvidia and amd / ati would soon shift their asses into gear and improve on the drivers for linux
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: any specific reasons for not mentioning the humble bundle (which is IMO a great offer) on phoronix.com?
Ivanovic: IIRC you at least mentioned special deals from LGP before
asraniel: NigeyUK: yeah we will see. another reason would be that once out, they will have to support it, they cant shut out people that bought the games on linux and tell them "steam is no more".
NigeyUK: but they can say we will only support X, X and X distro
Ivanovic: we only support ubuntu, ubuntu and ubuntu...
Ivanovic: ^^
NigeyUK: just as an example, ubuntu, fedora, and gentoo
asraniel: NigeyUK: yes sure thats an option. and then it's up to the linux fans to create the binary patches needed for the other distris ;)
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: yeah i fixed the home folders case sensitive issues
Ivanovic: fedora is IMO unlikely (as well as gentoo) since they are too much of a moving target
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: It made "Steamstore.steampowered.com" next to "steamstore.steampowered.com" because of an error, same for "Steam" instead of "steam"
NigeyUK: ahh i did wonder why i had Steamstore and steamstore*
d2kx: there shouldnt be a steamstore.steampowered.com called directory in the first place
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: i fixed that now, but its 2 patches, one for Steam instead of steam and one for the Steamstore.blah.blah instead of steamstore.blah.blah
NigeyUK: ahhh oki dokie
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: if you want: http://www.filedropper.com/libsteam-1003102108 http://www.filedropper.com/steam-1005071341
NigeyUK: merci :D
AsciiWolf: NigeyUK, http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970482192 - this is probably a profile of a valve employee called... dberger!
mastertheknife: Dan Berger
AsciiWolf: according to amount of games he have...
AsciiWolf: and have only 1 game played!
NigeyUK: ahh thats the 1, couldnt think of his 1st name
NigeyUK: see this is interesting...
Megagun: valve employees get all games for free
mastertheknife: http://www.valvesoftware.com/company/people.html
mastertheknife: "Dan Berger"
NigeyUK: the steam binary has /home/VALVE/rackadmin/buildslave/steam_main_linux/build/src/public/tier1 .. and lots of them
AsciiWolf: nice
AsciiWolf: Alfred Reynolds
mastertheknife: Alfred does dedicated servers
AsciiWolf: "He also does his best to maintain the Linux ports of our games"
AsciiWolf: ah :)
NigeyUK: haha i bet his inbox has been mental lately
mastertheknife: Alfred and Dan are probably working together on the linux client, or will work together after finishing mac one
NigeyUK: would make sense
AsciiWolf: NigeyUK, /home/VALVE/rackadmin/buildslave/ - buildslave - probably some autobuild system ;)�
mastertheknife: yeah
AsciiWolf: it's not a suprise it's running Linux...
NigeyUK: yup
mastertheknife: its probably what merges the common code for all platforms
NigeyUK: would love to get on that server for just 5 mins! lol
AsciiWolf: btw. did you know that valve was doing Linux ports of its games in the year 2004 and earlier?
AsciiWolf: but it were only internal builds...
rsk: AsciiWolf source?
AsciiWolf: I know this because there is a leaked source code of complete Half-Life 1 and 2 engines...a
AsciiWolf: and I downloaded it
AsciiWolf: and there are a Linux makefiles and other Linux-only files in it. :)
dstaubsauger: hi, which ubuntu ppa should i use to get the fastest gfx drivers for my rv515 chip? (stability does not really matter)
Kano: AsciiWolf: did you think of dedicated server
rsk: AsciiWolf that dosen't prove anything
rsk: it's just makefiles
rsk: dosent mean the game was internally ported
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: you downloaded? :)
AsciiWolf: look
AsciiWolf: #
AsciiWolf: # Half-life Makefile for x86 Linux
AsciiWolf: #
AsciiWolf: # Feb 2001 by Leon Hartwig (hartwig@valvesoftware.com)
AsciiWolf: #
AsciiWolf: for example
rsk: so
NigeyUK: mastertheknife, grabbing them now
rsk: it dosen't prove the game was developed internally for linux
NigeyUK: cut my dam finger on a pencil.. duh
rsk: it's just a makefile
AsciiWolf: Kano, no, there are also linux source engine files for Linux
AsciiWolf: rsk, there are not only makefiles
mastertheknife: the engine is used by the dedicated server too
mastertheknife: you need to look for GUI code
Kano: mastertheknife: still a lowercase steam dir
mastertheknife: opengl etc
AsciiWolf: I and a few friends were trying to compile it :)
mastertheknife: Kano: Thats the idea, to prevent the upper case ones!
mastertheknife: Kano: "Steam" was the wrong one, same for "Steampowered.blah.blah"
AsciiWolf: but there is a lot of bad-written assembler code and other old parts of code which refused to compile on todays Linux :(
Kano: mastertheknife: but there is an upperace Steam still
mastertheknife: Kano: not here, strange.
AsciiWolf: #
AsciiWolf: # Engine for HL2
AsciiWolf: #
AsciiWolf: # June 2003, alfred@valvesoftware.com
AsciiWolf: #
mastertheknife: Kano: oh, because you moved your directory from Steam to steam and didn't delete the settings inside
AsciiWolf: other makefile
AsciiWolf: as you can see, this makefile is for hl2 engine
Kano: i delete everything
Kano: the Steam dir is created on login
mastertheknife: Kano: deleted registry.vdf?
mastertheknife: not here
Kano: rm -vrf ~/[sS]team*
Kano: in my run script
AsciiWolf: I'm not going to post gcc files because it's illegal as they are valve's internal files...
mastertheknife: wait i will try to login again
mastertheknife: maybe it does it on login
bluekoala2: mwahahaha
bluekoala2: IRCing from work
eddieate: who isint? ;)
bluekoala2: I wasn't unntil I brought my netbook
The_Muh: oO
mastertheknife: Kano: I just logged in, no Steam here.
mastertheknife: Kano: maybe the script is extracting to the folder or something other wrong
mastertheknife: I don't launch from a script
NigeyUK: that'll be that dam checking battery state crash again :'
mastertheknife: hey NigeyUK me and kano are getting different results, can you test ?
NigeyUK: sure, apply the patches now or do i need to redo from scratch ?
Kano: mastertheknife: no, i dont use a dir called steam at all
Kano: not in ~
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: need to make sure steam is installed in steam and not Steam
Kano: its inside a sub dir
mastertheknife: Kano: oh, whats wrong with a sub dir
Kano: nothing
Kano: but your patch does nothing
mastertheknife: Kano: oh i know what you mean now
Sir_Brizz: mastertheknife: did you get the new build working?
mastertheknife: Kano: anyways strange.. I have steam installed at /home/me/steam(/linux32) and it created also a "Steam", "Steamstore.steampowered.com" and "steamstore.steampowered.com", so i patched it to not create the capital letter ones, which are the ones that i believe are wrong
mastertheknife: Sir_Brizz: it works.. only steamclient.so was updated..
Sir_Brizz: hmm
Sir_Brizz: mine just crashes
Sir_Brizz: I think I'm going to fresh install later and repatch and see how it goes
mastertheknife: Sir_Brizz: have you applied the vgui 2a patch ?
Wowi: run it under vfat or something?
Kano: mastertheknife: maybe put in into linux-steam
Kano: then clean steam dir too
Kano: the way i do
NigeyUK: btw
NigeyUK: that build dir i refered to earlier IS linux specific, grabbed the osx ver of the steamclient and it has its own rackadmin build address with specific osx directory structure
NigeyUK: so no multi os building on a linux machine
bluekoala2: hmmm, I really should get a 6 cell
bluekoala2: 3 cell doesn't last very long
NigeyUK: wtf
NigeyUK: the gui library has a xbox360 reference ... lol
Flyser: so? there are a few source games that are available for the xbox360
jvalette: NigeyUK:
jvalette: oops
NigeyUK: ohh, i dont play xbox360 so didntknow..lol
Flyser: neither do I, but a friend of mine has left 4 dead 2
NigeyUK: ahhh yeah
NigeyUK: forgot that was x360 too
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: finsihed fiying the case sensitivty issues ?
Flyser: mastertheknife: have you tried running steam from a vfat partition?
Flyser: maybe it fixes some issues
chris062689: Why would that fix anything?
Flyser: because vfat is case insensitive
chris062689: Oh, you're talking about filenames?
Flyser: yes
DarkDefender: it would be hilarious if the linux steam client would require vfat XD
NigeyUK: lol
Flyser: ntfs would be a laugh too ;)
markatto: one would hope that they could just manage to code in the correct filenames...
markatto: :P
Flyser: remember that this client is neither released, nor announced
markatto: isn't there some big valve thing coming up?
meGenius: hey, can you post the script that is used to wget the steam packages & patch them??
Flyser: "big valve thing"?
markatto: like an event with press
markatto: i sort of vaguely recall that something was supposed to happen in may
markatto: where people were speculationg that gabe might announce a linux version
Flyser: dunno, but they say they will release the mac client on the 12th of may
Flyser: yes. the mac release
markatto: the 12th being wednesday?
IsSuE-: y
Flyser: correct
meGenius: mastertheknife: if you are alive, please post the link of the script you give me today, please...
d2kx: 12th of may is mac open beta, not full release, meaning not all games will be avaible and it isnt optimized yet
markatto: I could see them waiting for the full launch to start talking about linux
markatto: focus on one thing at once
mastertheknife: meGenius: i'm here now
meGenius: who think that a Gnu/Linux based games console could survive??
mastertheknife: meGenius: http://openetherpad.com/ep/pad/view/0UmBOBf27q/latest
meGenius: mastertheknife: :)
IsSuE-: meGenius: openpandora
meGenius: mastertheknife: sorry for bothering you all the day, daude :)
meGenius: IsSuE-: i have wiz, btw
mastertheknife: christian_lappy: Yeah, but i'm not sure it works properly, here it is if you want to test: http://www.filedropper.com/libsteam-1003102108 http://www.filedropper.com/steam-1005071341
mastertheknife: Flyser: No i run it under ext3\ext4 partition
Flyser: well, then try! ;)
IsSuE-: meGenius: then u know that linux based handhelds can survive :)
mastertheknife: Flyser: why.. what happens? xD
Flyser: dunno. I am too lazy to try it myself
Kano: michaellarabel: do you have got a 32 bit lucid install with i3?
meGenius: IsSuE-: the real gamers don't know about those models, they know PSP & NDS only
IsSuE-: meGenius: replace real gamers with casual gamers, then true
Flyser: but you could the effect of your patch before you finished it
mastertheknife: I doubt it matters vfat or ext because the program shouldn't see any difference
meGenius: IsSuE-: so, even the portable linux based consoles don't survive :D
meGenius: the main problem with the linux based games console is that the developers of that kind of consoles are waiting for a miracle to bring that console to the world
meGenius: they are not doing something special to encourage the games development companies to develop for it
meGenius: nor the customers. although my wiz is great, but who knows it, nobody else
maligor: are you talking about openpandora?-)
d2kx: A linux based gaming console... you know what would happen. Guys would be porting the major distributions like Ubuntu to it and in no time this wouldnt be any different to a normal computer
Flyser: mastertheknife: of course it would see a difference. steam == Steam.
maligor: d2kx, why would you want to run rubbish like ubuntu on a embedded system is beside me
maligor: meego's a cool embedded platform, and then there's openembedded
maligor: IsSuE-, I doubt openpandora will ever had targetted commercial titles
GNU\colossus: IsSuE-: servus :)
maligor: and openpandora is very exclusive... even after the first batch ships
IsSuE-: GNU\colossus: oha, gruess dich!
IsSuE-: maligor: openpandora is not really targeted at commercial games, if you buy the console you most likely buy it for opensource games and emulation
maligor: actually I ordered one because I like strange hardware
IsSuE-: maligor: it is not that 'strange' :) i am hoping to finally get the device this month
maligor: so.. if I send my ninja assassins to torture you to withdraw your order, mine will arrive sooner
maligor: unless I'm infront of you in the queue
IsSuE-: doubt that, ordered approx 1hr after prepurchase started(when servers were up again)
IsSuE-: and nope, i am not going to cancel :p
maligor: can't remember at what point I ordered
maligor: might've been around the same actually
IsSuE-: mhh
meGenius: there was a gaming console
meGenius: it was so ugly, i can't remember its name
IsSuE-: then u better cancel, i want mine first :p
IsSuE-: meGenius: wasnt the phantom meant to be a linux gaming console btw?
maligor: my email date tag: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:48:58 +0100 :P
meGenius: gmail sucks today!
IsSuE-: cant find the time
meGenius: it's EVO!
IsSuE-: i ordererd in gp2x.de onlineshop but they do not print the actual time
meGenius: IsSuE-: give me a link for that phantom...
IsSuE-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_(game_system)
maligor: IsSuE-, I mean it's the date tag from the email I received of confirmation
mastertheknife: I updated the text file and also included experimental case sensitive fixes: http://openetherpad.com/ep/pad/view/0UmBOBf27q/latest
maligor: IsSuE-, it's in the email header
meGenius: IsSuE-: it's cancelled...
IsSuE-: meGenius: yep, i know
IsSuE-: maligor: not on my main pc cant my old email :(
meGenius: mastertheknife: i'll try that script!
mastertheknife: meGenius: It was made by Kame or Kano, not sure who
mastertheknife: meGenius: I think Kano made it
IsSuE-: meGenius: that evo thingy looks somehow neat
IsSuE-: o_O
IsSuE-: Plays Windows games
IsSuE-: stated in the feature list of a linux console
meGenius: IsSuE-: because you can install windows on it!
meGenius: mastertheknife: whether the script is buggy, or there is something else
meGenius: mastertheknife: i got (./run.sh: line 64: 21372 Segmentation fault LD_PRELOAD=`echo linux32/*.so` ${DEBUGGER} "${STEAMROOT}"/${PLATFORM}/${STEAMEXE} $@)
mastertheknife: meGenius: oh.. well kano made it i think
Kano: meGenius: oss driver?
Kano: mastertheknife: did you add a 2nd patch?
meGenius: mastertheknife: http://fpaste.org/75ud/
meGenius: Kano: let me check!
mastertheknife: Kano: to your script? no i didn't touch it, its the original link you posted here
mastertheknife: Kano: or you mean the case sensitive.. It was from the start 2 patches, you probably missed one. the libsteam one is prevent "Steamstore.steampowered.com" and the steam one is to prevent "Steam" instead of "steam"
Kano: most likely
Kano: will test the steam patch
mastertheknife: libsteam is to prevent "Steamstore.steampowered.com" instead of "steamstore.steampowered.com", my bad
mastertheknife: and yeah the steam one is to prevent "Steam" instead of "steam"
mattgirv: Does anyone know if there is a way to get in contact with the ATI Catalyst team through email?
Kano: mastertheknife: it does not seem to login anymore after that steam patch
mastertheknife: Kano: how odd, i will try to login
Kano: hmm
Kano: maybe something else is wrong
Kano: ah used --login
NigeyUK: Error: texture file 'graphics/chkUnSelFocus_Sm' does not exist or is invalid
NigeyUK: not hads that b4
clueless247: just link it
clueless247: worked for me
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: I will fix those, those are inside steam i think, ill add it to the next case sensitive patch
Kano: now i get hardware survey again
mastertheknife: Kano: I log in good, but can you confirm it didnt make the folders ?
Sir_Brizz: fresh install worked
NigeyUK: ahhh oki
NigeyUK: i got alot more working now
Sir_Brizz: also it seems like a bad idea to install steam right into your home folder
NigeyUK: be better with fonts though lol
Kano: mastertheknife: right, only lowercase
mastertheknife: Kano: Yeah thats good :)
mastertheknife: Kano: I had in steam, Steam, Steamstore and steamstore, now i have just steam and steamstore
Kano: yes here too
mastertheknife: :)
Kano: just i still can not read anything
AsciiWolf: back
AsciiWolf: any news about Steam?
NigeyUK: can someone try messaging me on friends
d2kx: NigeyUK whats your steam name
NigeyUK: same as irc
NigeyUK: i cant seem to get the friends window into focus
d2kx: i cant talk to you, but an invitation to accept me has been send
d2kx: should be the same though
NigeyUK: yup it popped up, but lost focus.. hmm
Modplan: any chance of a screenshot?
NigeyUK: hmm ill try again after dinner, it got your request though cause it did pop up
NigeyUK: sure give 2 mins
NigeyUK: http://www.nigey.co.uk/Steam.png
NigeyUK: ill up another 1 with the friends request popped up, if it pops up again
d2kx: let me add you again
Modplan: thanks. I also tried that bash script earlier. Downloads the vgui patch but think it mentions that it can't find it
NigeyUK: oki, it does pop up but very quickly so hard to grab the screenshot
mastertheknife: Modplan: Even better, a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTgqdlA_jE8
d2kx: it says there was a problem adding NigeyUK
NigeyUK: oh gay lol
Modplan: I'll try to add you instead
babai: is the font issue still there?
NigeyUK: yup
NigeyUK: http://www.nigey.co.uk/Steam2.png
babai: :(
meGenius: Kano: i'm using the MESA driver
NigeyUK: with the friend request
Kano: meGenius: i never had success with that, only fglrx or nvidia + compiz
NigeyUK: and the smaller box is prod activation iirc
meGenius: DAMN!
meGenius: why do i need compiz??
Kano: ask the linux dev ;)
Kano: otherwise all you get is flickering
meGenius: it's installed but not enabled, is that enough!!
Kano: no
mastertheknife: you wont need compiz when its released, compiz just seems to bypass the flickering and gets mouse input to work
meGenius: i see!
meGenius: then, i need first to change the driver then enable the compiz
Modplan: NigeyUK the second screenshot link you provided doesn't appear to work
Kano: bbl
NigeyUK: Modplan, 2 secs then
NigeyUK: try now :)
Modplan: thanks very much
NigeyUK: no probs
Modplan: I'm guessing in the first one the focused window is the advertisement thing they do, what would the one in the second be?
NigeyUK: first window is steam news, 2nd 1 is the main steam storefront
krull: how do you get past splash screen? where do you add --login?
Modplan: to the end, and it's simply -login username password
krull: weird thats what i thought doesn't work for me though oh well.
mastertheknife: I updated the info text file in case it helps anyone: http://openetherpad.com/ep/pad/export/0UmBOBf27q/rev.956?format=html
Modplan: knull make sure to use one hyphen like this -login, not two (like this: --login)
krull: ok thanks trying now
mastertheknife: so hows its going
NigeyUK: slowly
mastertheknife: im bored
mastertheknife: tired of assembler.. so many lines, it never ends
NigeyUK: i bet m8
NigeyUK: feel free to come and water the garden for me ?
NigeyUK: new lawn = to much bloody TLC !
mastertheknife: heh
mastertheknife: you are from london ?
NigeyUK: nah, cardiff, south wales
mastertheknife: oh
NigeyUK: not so sunny wales..lol
NigeyUK: ello x-pilot
NigeyUK: ello christian
NoobFukaire: so why did phoronix post those screenshots of the new steam client running in wine and try to pass it off like valve was porting steam to linux?
cracker: lol
asraniel: hm?
asraniel: when was that?
Flyser: NoobFukaire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTgqdlA_jE8
NoobFukaire: in the screenshots, "native steam" was throwing all kinds of winelib errors/warnings
NoobFukaire: I suppose it's possible valve is using it to simplify porting but I doubt it
Flyser: where?
NigeyUK: here we go again
maligor: NoobFukaire, do link
Flyser: I want to see a screenshot with steam and winelib errors
NigeyUK: me to
NigeyUK: NoobFukaire, try this
NigeyUK: http://www.nigey.co.uk/Steam.png
NigeyUK: http://www.nigey.co.uk/Steam2.png
NigeyUK: now tell me thats wine *sigh*
maligor: NigeyUK, It's wine
Flyser: NigeyUK: it's wine
NigeyUK: haha yeah.. ok :p
maligor: oh.. should I said 'It's wine *sigh*'
Flyser: ;D
NigeyUK: i got a friends convo going with my brother, i just cant see a dam word hes typing lol
maligor: what's with the fonts in it?
NigeyUK: they jus dont work :s
Flyser: fonts are broken in wine ;) ;) ;)
NigeyUK: lol
christian_lappy: NigeyUK: so chatting basically works ?
NigeyUK: yeah you just cant see it
christian_lappy: funny
christian_lappy: i bet valve devs are rofl
NigeyUK: mastertheknife has looked into the fonts thing extensively
NigeyUK: wouldnt surprise me
NigeyUK: prolly done it on purpose lol
christian_lappy: they surely hAVE A NEWER WORKING VERSON
NigeyUK: prolly in their dev enviroment they work fine
christian_lappy: i would guess yeah
NigeyUK: we cant replicate it on our own pcs unless we know what they have, and they do kinda have the src files aswell..
Sir_Brizz: oh boy I'm getting tiny rectangles again
NigeyUK: eek
Sir_Brizz: KeyValues::SaveToFile: couldn't open file "SteamAppData.vdf" in path "CONFIG".
Sir_Brizz: SteamLogin() success
Sir_Brizz: it also takes forever for the logging in screen to go away
NigeyUK: ive got that to
NigeyUK: now im hit with alot of GL errors
NigeyUK: GLError: 1281
NigeyUK: GLError: 1281
NigeyUK: GLError: 1281
NigeyUK: CellID: Connecting to 79.141.160.3:27031. . .
d2kx: they invested a lot of effort in the fonts on windows and mac too. windows just got directwrite support for fonts on windows 7, the mac client also got their own implementation. the linux client probably will also get an own implementation that isnt ready just yet
NigeyUK: yup, wouldnt surprise me at all
maligor: I'm sure they'll decide to use the motif toolkit for font rendering
NigeyUK: http://www.nigey.co.uk/Steam4.png
maligor: they have such wonderful bitmap faces
NigeyUK: friends chat working
NigeyUK: albeit invisible
maligor: why do you have EA on the desktop?
maligor: that's just wrong
NigeyUK: haha its a wallpaper for MOH
maligor: EA is one of the worst game companies around
NigeyUK: i was gonna trim the EA logo and shove tux there but i havent been assed yet
NigeyUK: bbs watering garden
mastertheknife: d2kx: Yeah it seems thats the case.
d2kx: two bets: 1) we will see webkit_linux soon, 2) font issues will magically go away at that time
mastertheknife: NoobFukaire: Those screenshots aren't through wine, you can try it yourself
mastertheknife: I can't believe people come here and say those are faked wine screenshots, lol
riisen: rofl
mastertheknife: d2kx: I hope :)
maligor: d2kx, they don't use webkit as such
mastertheknife: NoobFukaire: You can see some instructions how to get it to work and links to patches here: http://openetherpad.com/ep/pad/export/0UmBOBf27q/rev.956?format=html
mastertheknife: maligor: they do use webkit, they use it for the html in the windows and mac client
maligor: yes.. but they use CEF
d2kx: i liked the part where people said you, master, ported steam to linux and not valve so it wouldnt mean anything
mastertheknife: LOL someone actually said that? funny :P
d2kx: yeah in the forums
maligor: or the Steam License has specific mention of CEF
maligor: CEF being Chromium Embedded Framework
d2kx: that is if you dont work for valve
riisen: omfg mastertheknife did you port it !!!one!1111!eleven
d2kx: okay time for dinner
mastertheknife: How can i work for valve.. i'm from israel and valve is in the US you can see from my ip.
mastertheknife: maligor: Hm, i'm confused. in the manifest of windows and mac i see webkit
maligor: you've redirected your traffic
maligor: mastertheknife, heh, CEF uses webkit
maligor: it's a embedded build of chrome
maligor: err.. embeddable build
maligor: http://code.google.com/p/chromiumembedded/
Flyser: mastertheknife: well continue porting then. we are all waiting for your new steam release
Flyser: :D
riisen: yea :D
mastertheknife: If i had the source code, i would be working on it 16 hours/day :P
mastertheknife: its hard to believe the mac users are getting it before us
eXlin: if your rates are cheap i could be paying you for 8 of them ;)
meGenius: mastertheknife: why don't you ask valve team to get in??
mastertheknife: Most client related files were from 10th march until saturday, in saturday valve released a big update and now most files are from May except libsteam.so which is still from 10th march. I think this is a sign of them being close to finish the mac client and begin work on the linux one
eXlin: well, he could apply for steam's linux team and move to US or UK (valve has office in uk too, right?)
mastertheknife: If this theory is true, we should see big updates every week
meGenius: mastertheknife: where are you from??
mastertheknife: meGenius: i'm not from the US.. i'm from israel.. but if i was then yeah sure why not, valve is a nice company :)
maligor: you don't want to mix linux and mac developers
maligor: it might cause exothermic reactions
mastertheknife: Mac is not that bad but its too expensive and very limiting, you can't change to any video card you want etc
mastertheknife: I wouldn't pay $2000 for a macbook pro
meGenius: would
meGenius: in fact, i'm planning to have one soon
maligor: I won't buy any apple products anymore
eXlin: i am linux fan and my "boss" is mac fan. i lost battle at the point when he buyed mac for me to my workplace. i am considering to put dual-boot to linux at the point when it don't look too ignorant ;)
meGenius: maligor: why??
maligor: not unless they decide to ditch their approach
riisen: i wanna try mac.. but i dont think its worth the money :P
maligor: apple's becoming a clone of microsoft at it's worse, and then some
meGenius: riisen: try the hackintosh, then
meGenius: maligor: in fact, microsoft & apple are now onething
maligor: I'd love a EFI board tho
maligor: oh, I think microsoft is quite tame
riisen: meGenius, yea i have been thinking of it..
maligor: they only do lesser evils now
meGenius: the policies of both companies are being the same
maligor: nah
meGenius: btw, haven't you noticed that the "Get a MAC" ads are now a "POOF"
maligor: never saw any
meGenius: no more ads war between apple & microsoft
maligor: they showed them in the emirates?
meGenius: of course no
meGenius: i see them in there website
mastertheknife: check out those prices: http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
maligor: I'm not a fan of laptops anyway tho
meGenius: maligor: & how do you know that i'm from the emirates :D
maligor: meGenius, I have super goggles
meGenius: :D
maligor: type /who meGenius
meGenius: maligor: i know that command
riisen: maligor, maybee he is using a vpn or has a shell in emirates :o
maligor: riisen, like you
riisen: i dont have a shell in emirates :o
meGenius: who wants one :D
riisen: :D
maligor: meGenius, your hostmask is xxx.ae, and ae is United Arab Emirates
maligor: hence
meGenius: maligor: a lot of bodies i met don't know what UAE is, & that's why i asked you ;)
meGenius: who is a fan of AMD here??
christian_lappy: procyeah,gpu no
meGenius: christian_lappy: why not gpu??
IsSuE-: 2 times no
meGenius: :D
christian_lappy: meGenius: i use wine/cedega/cx and nv is better there
meGenius: there are two points here:
meGenius: 1. the driver you use
maligor: meGenius, UAE is a amiga emulator
christian_lappy: lol
c0bra: any news?
mastertheknife: hi no not really
meGenius: 2. god damn wine, i hope we can get rid of it soon, although it's nice :D
maligor: I'm all around amd fan
mastertheknife: Wine is good linux and bad at the same time
meGenius: maligor: even those don't know that UAE is an emulator :P
mastertheknife: good for linux*
christian_lappy: yeah
meGenius: found a freind at last :P
mastertheknife: Running windows programs and games on wine is nice and all, but some game companies find it as an excuse that a native linux version isn't needed
meGenius: mastertheknife+1
christian_lappy: +1
meGenius: mastertheknife: like valve
meGenius: mastertheknife: there's an official wiki page that describes how to use steam over wine
maligor: I think I've conquered UAE playing Byzantium in Europa Universalis 3
maligor: wishes Paradox would start porting to linux :P
christian_lappy: we needs steam..the rest will follow
eXlin: well, it's problems with steam: developer's don't "know" if there really is market for native linux games but if you buy window's game you just proofed that there is market for windows games. they dont care if you run it in wine with bad performance. they got your goldz
DarkDefender: maligor: isn't svartalf having a deal with the ATM?
mastertheknife: meGenius: Yeah.. sad :(
mastertheknife: eXlin: Yeah, it counts as windows
mastertheknife: meGenius: I saw svartalf's thread, i hope he will manage to do something useful
The_Muh: btw: http://www.valvesoftware.com/company/people.html search for "Alfred Reynolds" and read what he's doing
maligor: DarkDefender, huh?
christian_lappy: after valve selling there first 100000 linux games maybe other devs see that linux users are willing to buy games
DarkDefender: maligor: i think he got a deal to port EU1-2 to linux
mastertheknife: The_Muh: Alfred is usually working with the dedicated server linux ports. but i believe he and Dan Berger are\will work together on the client.
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: you talk about valve devs ?
mastertheknife: christian_lappy: yeah
mastertheknife: Alfred used to work at Lokigames together with Ryan
mastertheknife: Ryan C Gordon, the one that ported many linux games and is responsible for porting UT3
maligor: Lokigames was based in australia?
mastertheknife: US i believe
The_Muh: i hope that a steam- and source-port for linux will bing also new linux-users
maligor: I hope they don't port CS:S tho
maligor: I know what kind of people play That
The_Muh: ...
DarkDefender: well then we will get optimzed pro cs player linux dists :D
The_Muh: gamers are all ... eccentric...
The_Muh: lol
NigeyUK: waits for GUbuntu
NigeyUK: lol
maligor: CounterSubuntu
The_Muh: what about a "valvix"? =)
NigeyUK: oh and dont forget GFedora and GGEntoo too all gamer optimised ;)
NigeyUK: haha Valvix .. i like that !
maligor: Valvix sounds like a lubricant brand
NigeyUK: ooerr mr
The_Muh: a Ubuntu with steam an pre-installed content of the OrangeBox
skyhirider: mmm, time to drink some valvix
The_Muh: xD
bluekoal1: The brown box for Ubuntu users?
NigeyUK: i could see that happening
NigeyUK: lmao bluekoal1
bluekoal1: Comes with 1 month free of ubuntuone
The_Muh: Brown Box sounds... "crappy"
bluekoal1: Much like how ubuntu looked before 10.04
bluekoal1: :P
bluekoal1: Now it looks like an OSX ripoff
The_Muh: i don't like the look of ubuntu...
bluekoal1: The purple is too bright
The_Muh: neither the old nor the new
bluekoal1: too feminine IMO
NigeyUK: i dont like the dam crashes!
skyhirider: nah, as long as you can change the theme all is good
The_Muh: Linux for girls? try hanah montana linux xD
bluekoal1: Crashes?
willwh: meh, 10.4 is stable for me, gnomelook.org ftw
NigeyUK: 5 times its hard locked me on a screen sayijng battery state [OK]
skyhirider: :D good one Muh
NigeyUK: on a frikkin desktop! :|
bluekoal1: lol
skyhirider: man, im running gnome-shell beta, what am i supposed to say? :D
The_Muh: desktop? don't have any...
bluekoal1: Your battery is overpowering the OS
skyhirider: gui crashes everytime a try to switch too many tabs in too little time
NigeyUK: if it was the laptop.. fair enuff, but my battery in my desktop is just the bios 1 :|
bluekoal1: Sure theere's a battery in your desktop
NigeyUK: lol
bluekoal1: correct
NigeyUK: ya but jus the cmos / bios backup battery
bluekoal1: Yes
bluekoal1: keeps time and settings
NigeyUK: no need for ubuntu to even know its there let alone hard lock my system checking its working! lol
bluekoal1: You can never be too sure
The_Muh: bluekoal1: thats not ubuntus slogan... its debian
The_Muh: *from
bluekoal1: Did you check the forums?
NigeyUK: either way, i hope theres a fix soon or itll be back to windows, the hard locks can't be doing my hdd's any good :(
NigeyUK: yeah, a few reports of the same thing but no fix
NigeyUK: its is an open and acknowledged bug though
The_Muh: NigeyUK: try another linux...
NigeyUK: The_Muh, i'll be going back to LFS if i switch linux's
The_Muh: try Arch
somename: arch rocks
somename: pacman ftw
NigeyUK: hmm ya know that's 1 ive not actually tried
skyhirider: ive tried it but failed with the bootloader, installed the darn thing on a wrong disk :D
NigeyUK: ouch
The_Muh: skyhirider: oO? i installed arch succesfull with 3 months of linux-experience
The_Muh: imho its easier to install arch than install ubuntu...
eddieate: lol
eddieate: no its not
skyhirider: 3 dics, one has grub, one has the selfish ignore everythign else windows bootloader and the third got the arch one, but i was booting from the wrong disk
eddieate: arch breaks itsself in very non-newbie friendly ways too
The_Muh: arch isnt a newby-distribution
eddieate: true
eddieate: i just find ubuntu is always an easier fix to whatever problem you're having
The_Muh: of course.. if u are a newby then its easier to install ubuntu
maligor: debian! debian!
eddieate: i do have arch installed on newer hardware i spose
eddieate: doen't make life any eaiser
The_Muh: eddieate: maybe you're not born for using arch
Wipster: is there any merit in configuring your kernel for only the stuff that you need to run or is there not much point
NigeyUK: i think ubuntu is great to 2introduce" people to linux
NigeyUK: build their knowledge up, then try something a bit harder
DarkDefender: depens on how hardcore they are :P
NigeyUK: well, if theyre a newbie, ubuntu is fine, then let them choose a path to something like gentoo
The_Muh: they dont learn anything about linux when they using ubuntu
mastertheknife: I actually learned a lot just from installing Gentoo
The_Muh: ubuntu hides any part of the system behing a glossy GUI
NigeyUK: i learned alot from LFS
mastertheknife: it has a very steep learning curve to it, and the installation is just you, the terminal and the handbook
somename: compling programs?
maligor: I learned a lot just from installing LFS after using Slackware
somename: +i
NigeyUK: like how many cups of coffee i can drink in a day, and just how slow my core2duo can be lol
mastertheknife: Yeah LFS.. extreme :)
mastertheknife: my gentoo install took 2 days
maligor: then I moved to Debian
NigeyUK: i think all in all to get lfs running X and gnome took 4 days
mastertheknife: Ah, the 2 days my gentoo install took was just from compiling everything in the system
NigeyUK: the multiple glibc compiles
maligor: I think I was still using WindowMaker when I installed LFS
NigeyUK: oh how fun was that!
meGenius: mastertheknife: 2DAYS are you serious??
mastertheknife: meGenius: Yeah, because sometimes i forgot a use flag and had to re-emerge, etc
NigeyUK: ouch :(
mastertheknife: meGenius: But yeah overall the compiling took over a day, the rest was breaks, re-compiles etc
NigeyUK: im going to bet .. �20 theres a steam files update tonight or tomorrow
mastertheknife: Yeah in gentoo you usually set up the use flags then pretty much forget about them
meGenius: i'll not install it even if i'm going to die :D
The_Muh: have you ever compiled qt?
maligor: don't think gentoo will take that long on a modern computer
The_Muh: thats terrible...
mastertheknife: meGenius: core2duo
meGenius: The_Muh: asking me??
The_Muh: asking all
meGenius: mastertheknife: damn intel, go explode you head :P
mastertheknife: The_Muh: Of course, gentoo compiles it all the time
mastertheknife: The_Muh: Try compiling OpenOffice, thats something :)
The_Muh: i took 3 hours or so...
meGenius: The_Muh: what type of processors??
The_Muh: moment...
NigeyUK: i did lfs in a vm once
NigeyUK: wow did that suck
The_Muh: AMD athelon X2 Dual Core 5000+
mastertheknife: Me and most people here in israel buy only intel because intel has 3 factories in israel (fab8, fab18 and fab28) so you need to support them for creating jobs..
NigeyUK: 3? :o greedy sods! lol
meGenius: mastertheknife: i wonder how long it will be if compiling that gentoo using AMD Opteron 6000
maligor: meGenius, they don't do Dual boards for it?
somename: lol
mastertheknife: meGenius: Oh no idea, it all depends what you compile etc, but gentoo is great, current install is from 2008
maligor: says it supports 4 sockets
The_Muh: buy an intel i7 - then you can install gentoo in one or two hours xD
mastertheknife: that makes my core2 e6750 feel old
maligor: The_Muh, I'm sure a 48 core opteron would be faster
The_Muh: lol
mastertheknife: Oh one more thing
mastertheknife: in gentoo you can use multiple computers for compiling to speed up
mastertheknife: its called distcc
The_Muh: cool
The_Muh: maybe you can rent some clusters for installing gentoo
mastertheknife: you can also use options such as --binpkg to have it compile and also create a binary package that you can later copy to another gentoo install to skip the compiling
maligor: a gentoo compilefarm
NigeyUK: oh now that would be fun :D
mastertheknife: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distcc
maligor: sort of like the commercial rendering farms, but for compiling gentoo
NigeyUK: btw has anyone else been brave enough to test that unity stuff yet ?
maligor: unity?
NigeyUK: netbook type ui for ubuntu
NigeyUK: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_unity_launch&num=1
maligor: oh, some new dock?
maligor: err.. s/dock/panel/
NigeyUK: think its a complete ui replacement rather than a dock type thing ?
The_Muh: looks like a strange (new) type of tiling
mastertheknife: ubuntu rootless X sounds interesting
maligor: kinda reminds me of KDE 4.4 SC Netbook
meGenius: maligor: there's a motherboard from asus that supports up to two AMD opteron 6000 (12-cores)
meGenius: maligor: it means you have 24 cores over one motherboard ;)
NigeyUK: meGenius, ill buy the board, you buy me the processors? :p
mastertheknife: wow.. nice
meGenius: NigeyUK: you buy both, i buy the case :P
mastertheknife: but whats the point, without a nice 100mbit connection
mastertheknife: or 1000mbit..
NigeyUK: haha ok deal, but no cheap shit! supermicro only ok ?
meGenius: NigeyUK: deal :P
NigeyUK: :p
NigeyUK: what im most looking forward to ..
meGenius: mastertheknife: the point is you will compile gentoo in 2 houes
NigeyUK: is this intel lightstep connector
NigeyUK: or watever theve called it
meGenius: NigeyUK: lightpeak as i think
NigeyUK: thats the 1
mastertheknife: i never have it compiling for more than 2 hours on weekly updates
NigeyUK: now thats everything usb wants to be, but isnt
mastertheknife: xorg, kde updates etc don't come out every week
maligor: optical cames aren't that useful
maligor: err.. cables
The_Muh: NigeyUK: and you can use it as a lamp...
maligor: not unless they've managed to make them unbrekable
NigeyUK: exactly, you get blistering xfer speeds, and a nice desklamp, what more could you ask for! lol
maligor: NigeyUK, cable durability maybe
mastertheknife: nuclear processors :)
NigeyUK: maligor, by the time it comes out they'll probably have a not so fragile cable
NigeyUK: quantum computing .. mmmmm
maligor: I just don't see the need for lightpeak
NigeyUK: :o
Kame: I thought they already had very resilient optical cables coming out?
NigeyUK: the 1's at the demo looked pretty hefty to me
The_Muh: how much mbit/s does lightpeak transfer?
NigeyUK: err, i think it was 10Gbps bi-directional ?
NigeyUK: Light Peak delivers high bandwidth starting at 10Gb/s with the potential ability to scale to 100Gb/s over the next decade.
NigeyUK: foo*** ell
NigeyUK: :o
NigeyUK: just a tad faster than what i thought it was
The_Muh: its faster than my RAM or my HDD ...
NigeyUK: http://techresearch.intel.com/UserFiles/en-us/Image/Optical-IO/FullChip_LaserOff.jpg
NigeyUK: and thats all it is .. amazing ..
The_Muh: so i can receive the data, but i cant save them because they are to fast
NigeyUK: yup..lol
Kame: Man, I thought Michael said he'd have more to report on steam today?
NigeyUK: not much more happening i dont think
NigeyUK: mine works fine, but cant see sod all.. doesnt crash anymore...
mastertheknife: if someone manages to get fonts to work.. lol
somename: which font do they use? arial?
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: by the way, the references to those radSel* files can be found in resources/styles/steam.styles
mastertheknife: arial
somename: i got arial but it doesnt display fonts
NigeyUK: ahh i was going to look for those
NigeyUK: tnx dude
Kano: mastertheknife: is something opened as pcf/ttf?
mastertheknife: you can see this in resources/steamscheme.res and resources/styles/steam.styles
NigeyUK: btw that litestep .. shows 4 cables, each cable does 10Gbps .. so 40Gbps The_Muh
mastertheknife: I confirmed arial being located in the program's virtual address space
mastertheknife: something inside the program is not working right
NigeyUK: maybe ..
mastertheknife: or maybe its just not implemented yet
The_Muh: NigeyUK: w00t
NigeyUK: theyve done it on purpose
somename: valve should hire you as a developer if you ask me :P
Kano: mastertheknife: could you compare against osx?
Kame: lol, put in an application and include your patches as references
NigeyUK: defo mastertheknife kicks butt :p
The_Muh: de-assemble that binarys, make them running and send it to vavle
NigeyUK: lol
The_Muh: *valve
mastertheknife: osx and linux font systems are different, and you cant debug the osx client from linux
mastertheknife: just to diassemble it
NigeyUK: osx fonts are just wacky
giselher: I got the humble indie bundle for free, :)
mastertheknife: by the way i made 2 patches today for minor case sensitive issues (the two home folders) and added some general information here: http://openetherpad.com/ep/pad/view/0UmBOBf27q/latest
The_Muh: i paid 0.17$
mastertheknife: shame on you two, lol :P
NigeyUK: lol
The_Muh: to less money on paypal
The_Muh: ...
The_Muh: *too
giselher: icculus, paid for me
christian_lappy: doesn't have michaellarabel a contact at valve side ?
christian_lappy: when did michaellarabel say to bring steam news today ?
Ivanovic: christian_lappy: if he has, then he is not allowed (yet?) to publish news
mastertheknife: giselher: oh nice.. ask him whats going on with UT3 :)
Kame: He was talking sometime yesterday that he might have more to report about steam on linux
Ivanovic: and honestly i won't expect anything official before the mac steam client is out
mastertheknife: interesting
Kame: maybe he meant "I might have more to report about steam on Linux if you guys get the fonts working"
eXlin: Kame: think he referred to work done there and upgrade from valve yesterday
Kame: He already reported that!
Sir_Brizz: I still get the tiny rectangles hooray for dumb tiny rectangles
somename: maybe valve already got the fully working linux client and they are just laughing about us... who knows
christian_lappy: likely
Sir_Brizz: they are probably playing Left 4 Dead on the Linux machines and laughing all the way to the bank
NigeyUK: lol
Sir_Brizz: that didn't run out as good as I thought it would...
giselher: downloads world of goo
somename: cant wait for valves announce
NigeyUK: font-family=basefont
Ivanovic: the full linux client of steam and L4D2 will be released tomorrow, one day before the mac version is out
NigeyUK: that is so dam unhelpful
Ivanovic: included in the release: the orange box and L4D1
Ivanovic: ^^
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: the basefont is defined at the top
NigeyUK: oh yeah
NigeyUK: duh
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: and the [$OSX] is an override flag, it means to use a different value for the OSX version, the linux uses Arial
mastertheknife: like the windows
NigeyUK: thought as much
mastertheknife: this [$OSX] flag is also found in steamscheme.res
NigeyUK: hmm
mastertheknife: The GUIs are all found in .res files of steam's custom format. For example the login dialog is at public/SteamLoginDialog.res
d2kx: Gabe Newell (Valve CEO) actually said something like "well that is the price if you have to deal with companies like Microsoft" after he had problems in a recent presentation he gave
somename: and that means?
somename: boycotting microsoft? finally!
d2kx: not boycotting, but valve isnt happy staying with them alone
r4: SO YEAH
r4: im playing tf2 with wine
mastertheknife: I think it can be mean two things. 1) Screw microsoft 2) We can't make a linux version
r4: and steam friends is workign IN GAME?!
r4: everything is working
r4: and i do mean everything
r4: fps is still average
r4: but still!
mastertheknife: r4: Wine worked with steam for years, whats new?
r4: with tf2 you couldnt use the friends aspect ingame
r4: you had to disable it
r4: cuz it crashed the game
mastertheknife: oh i get what you mean now
mastertheknife: the ingame overlay
mastertheknife: I always have it disabled in linux :/
mastertheknife: I really hope it doesnt work with wine, another excuse for valve not to make a linux client
NigeyUK: mastertheknife, what was the config param to skip updating again ?
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: BootStrapperInhibitAll=enable
NigeyUK: thankoo :D
mastertheknife: I got an email from Wolfire Games that Samorost 2 was added to the humble indie bundle
mastertheknife: and they resent me my download link
Wipster: mmmm gentoo looks a bit daunting there heh
mastertheknife: Wipster: whats daunting about it? maybe i can help.. :)
Wipster: I was in here earlier when people where talking about distros and I started reading the gentoo documentation. I see alot of possibilities for error on my part, so many kernel options how will I know whats right and wrong to enable heh
mastertheknife: Wipster: when building a kernel you usually set go to processor options, enable\disable SMP and set the processor type, then load the drivers for your system (network, sound, ide, etc), then you can select filesystems etc.. quit and save
mastertheknife: Wipster: if you forget something you can just recompile the kernel..
mastertheknife: Wipster: also, gentoo doesn't bug you to upgrade your kernel, you can do it anytime you want, every week or even once a year
Wipster: its all very interesting, if you have a blank slate and select only the top drivers you want do they select the other dependencies in the kernel config? So I dont have to hunt around choosing between slab slub and other things I have not much idea about
mastertheknife: Wipster: yeah it selects dependencies
travisman: time to try out unity
travisman: w00t
Wipster: mastertheknife, filesystem I understand I would need to chose myself but is there a way it can detect the hardware in my computer and set the config up for only those, blatantly I would miss something. Or is it really a manually only thing
mastertheknife: Wipster: there is genkernel but its not good
mastertheknife: manual is better
Flyser: You can change the kernel config. The first try doesn't have to be perfect.
mastertheknife: I found something interesting: 0xf632c76f: "CustomFontFiles"
mastertheknife: I wonder if it has any meaning
Kame: Nope, they just threw it in there for kicks :p
mastertheknife: I think im getting closer with the fonts
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: great
mastertheknife: CScheme::LoadFonts() should return the number of fonts it has initalized (by creating CLinuxFont) class for each, but it returns 0
Kame: Can't you just FORCE it to return more? :p
mastertheknife: you can
christian_lappy: how do you know the function calls btw ?
Flyser: that would be awesome. Someone should build small mastertheknife action figures if you manage to get fonts working :)
mastertheknife: you demanagle them
mastertheknife: the names
mastertheknife: gdb does that automaticly for you
mastertheknife: you just set breakpoints, watches, step in\out, see backtrace etc
christian_lappy: ah
christian_lappy: do you earn money as a c dev ?
mastertheknife: i dont work as a programmer
christian_lappy: you *should*
giselher: mastertheknife:You should
giselher: lol :
mastertheknife: I served in the army for 3 years as a sysop but now im pretty much jobless.. sometimes working in a resturant
christian_lappy: lol
Kano: mastertheknife: ask valve
mastertheknife: they are in the US
christian_lappy: after getting fonts working
Kano: and?
christian_lappy: and ?
mastertheknife: what and.. ? how its gonna work ?
christian_lappy: work remotly ?
Kano: http://www.valvesoftware.com/jobs/
mastertheknife: yeah, right. lol
Kano: mastertheknife: they want you: Software Engineer, Steam
mastertheknife: they look for people with experience, etc
mastertheknife: plus im too young i think
christian_lappy: give it a try
mastertheknife: i'm just 22
christian_lappy: and `?
kloplop321: mastertheknife: do you have a job?
christian_lappy: what should gappen `?
mastertheknife: kloplop321: No i just got released from the army 1 month ago so now working in a resturant sometimes
d2kx: mastertheknife the last people they hired didnt have any experience and were young. after one interview they helped them find a house etc. and hired them
Kano: tell em you know more about steam on linux than they do ;)
d2kx: there was a report on that somewhere recently
GNU\colossus: hehe
kloplop321: I get up in the morning, you are on IRC. I remote control my computer from school. You are on IRC. I get home from school. You are on IRC :P
The_Muh: i'm 24/7 on irc too - my client is running on a server
kloplop321: I'm saying actively
kloplop321: chatting
christian_lappy: kloplop321: you should learn in school ;-)
The_Muh: hm
d2kx: i am done with school now, but we had lots of students that were on facebook 24/7 with their iphone 3G
kloplop321: I'm self taught in most things, so everything is pretty much a review.
christian_lappy: nice
kloplop321: US High schools are crappy
christian_lappy: i feel old
NigeyUK: heh when i was in school there was no internet! let alone facebook and iphones !
d2kx: german schools are a joke also. you dont really have to learn a single time in 13 years to pass
christian_lappy: d2kx: nah
christian_lappy: d2kx: not in bavaria
kloplop321: is rated apparently the most technological guy in school--yet is one of the very few that does not have a cell phone
d2kx: christian_lappy: well i get my abitur next month and havent done anything for it
mastertheknife: I wrote few small programs for windows but never anything for linux, i have completely no idea how the client is supposed to draw fonts, it doesnt seem to call XDrawText, XDrawString etc, i'm just trying to check the return values of some font functions
Daskreech: kloplop321: tht's normally a good indicator of know how
mastertheknife: maybe its just not implemented after all
christian_lappy: d2kx: where ?
Daskreech: or lack of funding :)
d2kx: pretty sure it isnt mastertheknife
d2kx: christian_lappy: NRW
The_Muh: i never learned for school too
The_Muh: only for programming
kloplop321: I'm not sure what you mean Daskreech
christian_lappy: d2kx: school based avitur ?
d2kx: ja aufm normalen gymnasium
christian_lappy: in bayern gibts ja nur übergreifendes abi
kloplop321: oh noz I sees the ü on u
kloplop321: ố
christian_lappy: sorry
d2kx: christian_lappy: wir haben auch zentralabitur
GNU\colossus: kraut invasion!!11!
NigeyUK: pmsl
GNU\colossus: aber keine angst, ich bin eh auch oesterreicher ;)
wait4steam: hi all
The_Muh: oO
NigeyUK: hey!
wait4steam: any steam updates os far?
NigeyUK: welcome to err.. multi language irc..lol
christian_lappy: d2kx: ah, ok
The_Muh: more germans here then i expectet...
kloplop321: is pulling his git
christian_lappy: d2kx: abi 99 :-)
kloplop321: recently "2 files changed, 23 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)"
giselher: <- Austrian :)
The_Muh: GNU\colossus: i'm lucky that you don't have "op"
NigeyUK: cymraeg
christian_lappy: alot of germans here
IsSuE-: austrian too :)
christian_lappy: oh yeah
GNU\colossus: The_Muh: why? has an Asurtian in power _ever_ caused something to go awry? ;D
GNU\colossus: Austrian*
christian_lappy: linux ispopular here
christian_lappy: lol
The_Muh: germans like OSS, i think
IsSuE-: haha GNU\colossus
The_Muh: firefox for example
christian_lappy: yeah
eXlin: well what come's to german. like to watch icehockey?
eXlin: especially world championship going on atm...
eXlin: ;)
The_Muh: germans are football-people
The_Muh: (soccer)
d2kx: sports = boring. but the_muh is right for the majority
eXlin: doesn't change the fact that finland just beated germany by 1-0 :P
The_Muh: here you can say anything about icehokey, baseball, basketball ... but when you say something agains soccer the people hate you
The_Muh: *against
GNU\colossus: that's OK, for I just hate people back
GNU\colossus: soccer sucks btw
GNU\colossus: =)
The_Muh: also the car... if you say something bad about the car of a german, he's going to kill you
The_Muh: don't like soccer too
d2kx: people shouting at each because of sport event results = most ridiculous thing ever. EVER.
The_Muh: we are a strange country
The_Muh: btw: what do non-germans think about Merkel?
GNU\colossus: I'm bored. entertain me!
GNU\colossus: The_Muh: that she's totally HOT, of course.
GNU\colossus: (just when they are kidding though)
christian_lappy: super hot
The_Muh: here no one likes her
The_Muh: (or "him")
The_Muh: any further opinions?
d2kx: she isnt popular and i dont like her politics, but thanks $supernatural we dont have such jokes as sarah palin in germany or even europe. i mean seriously she wouldnt get 1% here
Red_Haze: Hmm
GNU\colossus: d2kx: I'm actually not that _convinced_ about that.
GNU\colossus: move those underscores one word to the left
The_Muh: oO? how do you make >that< fail?
The_Muh: *made
d2kx: recently saw sarah palin speaking about how "the good american people should defend themselves with weapons" and how the "good american people" should follow gods path and whatnot
christian_lappy: ouch
GNU\colossus: The_Muh: adding emphasize after having written the complete sentence is bound to fail if you're distracted by many, many things at once ;)
NigeyUK: pmsl check this ..
NigeyUK: by lawlwaitwhat Monday, May 03, 2010 at 06:30 PM
NigeyUK: I'm not going to lie, this is a little dissapointing. To have Steam be released on the Mac was a huge deal for me, and now this announcement kind of steals the thunder a little bit. I know, it's selfish, and gratz to all Linux users out there, but still.
NigeyUK: the mac fanbois are jealous :|
eXlin: nothing bad to say about merkel, tho i dont know her policy too well
d2kx: yeah i have seen mac people complaining about minor issues with their current steam client. i mean really? really? do they even deserve it
NigeyUK: hehe
The_Muh: eXlin: i don't nothing about bush - but still hating him
NigeyUK: cmin from people that until 3 years ago didnt even have a right clicking mouse...
The_Muh: s/i dont't/i know
d2kx: we have talked about speeches of bush at school. talk about politians saying absolutely fuck all with 10000 words
eXlin: well bush seem's to be just idiot what you can make conclusions about hes speech's
eXlin: and he was just one "world dominator"
The_Muh: i don't understand why the american people are diappointed by Obama... in german is normal that polics do nothing
christian_lappy: lol
The_Muh: *politician
christian_lappy: and don't start wars
The_Muh: we have no army
d2kx: doing nothing is a lot better than most polititions
The_Muh: of curse ... we have the "Bundeswehr"... but no army
The_Muh: so we can't start wars
Kame: Pffft, you could start at LEAST a revolutionary war
GNU\colossus: maybe not start, but wage for sure
Kame: ...
Kame: lolwut?
Kame: I meant civil
The_Muh: we're not france =)
christian_lappy: lol, burning cars
d2kx: no wars because of religious crap over here though, you can get fear if you watch movies like "religulous" showing some of american's beliefs
d2kx: hey espes
d2kx: clueless247, great nickname
Kano: michaellarabel:
Kano: checking phoronix-test-suite.diff:
Kano: 50 files changed, 708 insertions(+), 1484 deletions(-)
Kano: in 99% of all cases that i check it this is broken
Kano: interestingly the fglrx-packageing is not broken when others commit something
NigeyUK: wibble wibble
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: and ?
d2kx: just read mandriva is getting sold this year... RIP
sado1: sold to who
mastertheknife: christian_lappy: about what ?
christian_lappy: mastertheknife: font ?
mastertheknife: oh.. no luk
mastertheknife: no luck*
mastertheknife: no idea
mastertheknife: I tried to change something i thought is corrupt but it segfaults
d2kx: sado1 not sure yet, two interested companys
mastertheknife: I wonder what are these two settings: CustomFontFiles and m_CustomFontFileNames
mastertheknife: and where are they stored
NigeyUK: interesting
NigeyUK: where do they popup mastertheknife ?
mastertheknife: they are registry values that are checked in some function
mastertheknife: but i have no idea where is this steam registry
mastertheknife: registry.vdf doesn't seem to have it
NigeyUK: ah was just about to say theres registry.vdf
mastertheknife: there are many registry files it seems: strings steamui.so | grep .vdf
Kano: hmm how about putting some fonts in resource/fonts
NigeyUK: tried that
christian_lappy: none there ?
NigeyUK: even tried osx fonts to
SimmyD: so fully working hacked client yet? :P
mastertheknife: Kano: I tried that aswell
mastertheknife: Kano: I even put fonts there and added it to my xorg.conf and rebooted
mastertheknife: it finds fonts fine, its something inside the program bad, missing or disabled, or just not implemented
d2kx: its just not implemented yet
d2kx: because its an own font engine etc
christian_lappy: in the files we hav
SimmyD: so its just a waiting game now :(
SimmyD: or they should just release the gui source
SimmyD: >_<
mastertheknife: I wont mind linuxfonts.cpp :P
SimmyD: haha well time to send an email asking very nicely :P
NigeyUK: yes, give us linuxfonts.cpp and we can figure the rest out valve lol
christian_lappy: lol
SimmyD: haha use the community
The_Muh: dis-assembling might help xD
nfrs: why is everyone so excited about steam? unless they also port the Source engine, 99% of the games still won't work
Kano: marlett.ttf is the only font loaded
SimmyD: nfrs: its what it can offer to linux
d2kx: nfrs: because they do port the gnine lol
mastertheknife: The_Muh: how you think i'm trying stuff.. lol.. its not fun to read so many lines of assembler though
SimmyD: nfrs: opens up an easy way for people to actually release games on linux
Kano: does not matter how many are in there
mastertheknife: Kano: you have arial installed in your system?
Kano: sure
The_Muh: mastertheknife: write a program that convert asm to c(++) xD
mastertheknife: weird, strace showed it loading on my machine
Kano: do you think you need to uninstall it
nfrs: SimmyD: it's just a market, nothing more. doesn't make it easier to port the game
SimmyD: nfrs: it may make it more viable for companies
SimmyD: and indie developers
nfrs: SimmyD: which IS the reason why games don't get released for linux
mastertheknife: nfrs: A linux steam client is a big push for linux gaming
Kano: mastertheknife: strace 2>&1|grep home|grep -v ENOENT
SimmyD: nfrs: and it will give us a way to show we will actually buy games
d2kx: nfrs: valve puts pressure on developers to port their games for all steam plattforms
nfrs: SimmyD: you can't fool anyone. linux desktop users are a minority and will stay a minority
The_Muh: of course we are ready to buy games - but we cant
SimmyD: nfrs: why are you here then? lol
nfrs: SimmyD: because I just wonder maybe I'm missing something
SimmyD: i think alot of people dont use linux every day because they CANT play games
NigeyUK: err, we maybe a minority, but so are osx users .. if thats the way you want to look at it
NigeyUK: it hardly has a HUGE market share
SimmyD: if steam comes to linux then there may be the momentum for games to start coming to it and people can finally leave windows
SimmyD: which will increase the linux share :D
nfrs: SimmyD: that's right. but a store that works for linux doesn't go far to break that vicious circle
SimmyD: its a start though
SimmyD: why so negative?
LinuxDonald: any news about what the lastest steam linux update fix?
The_Muh: i play games maybe 1day a week... becauese rebooting to windows sucks
NigeyUK: it'll be the start of a domino effect
christian_lappy: pc gaming = europe market ?
SimmyD: when it comes out i will start playing games again on my desktop
SimmyD: i just cant be bothered using windows so i have been using hte xbox more lol
christian_lappy: i will bux every bative game in steam
SimmyD: christian_lappy: +1
The_Muh: altitude ftw
nfrs: haha. I don't buy stuff. I'm a linux user1
Ivanovic: i won't buy each native game that they offer
Ivanovic: since i likely already have many of them
Ivanovic: but i am likely to buy *some*
SimmyD: nfrs: thats the wrong attitude
christian_lappy: lol
Kame: I'll rebuy most of the ones I already have, since I like having my games in steam
christian_lappy: dpn't feed nfrs
Kano: Kame: that does not sound logical
Kame: "I like having my games in steam"
The_Muh: Kame: i said that to gabe
SimmyD: i think if you already have them on steam they will transfer across to start with
SimmyD: like the source ones
SimmyD: well thats how the mac is working i believe
The_Muh: but he only answered with "thanks for the suggestions" -.-'
Kame: That's better than a denial
SimmyD: Kame: we will take whatever we can :P
mastertheknife: nfrs: Its so wrong to think that linux users don't like paying
The_Muh: nexuiz
nfrs: why? I don't like paying
The_Muh: warsow, wesnoth...
GodofGrunts: nfrs: Yeah but you're not every linux user
nfrs: well, I didn't say that every linux user doesn't like paying. only speaking for myself
mastertheknife: I like open source and believe in it very much, lets take the steam client for example, if it was open source, me and others could fix so many stuff in it, although technically it can't be open source. Anyways, i don't have problem with paying for games or any other stuff, if i think its really worth the money.
SimmyD: and i think thats how most people feel
mastertheknife: In the humble indie bundle the linux average is much higher, thats because many people felt a great need to thank those developers for making good linux versions
Kano: mastertheknife: what was the option to disable updates to modify the res file?
Kano: just to test set all to marlett..
nfrs: well, I'm all for paying to little indie studios little indie bucks
nfrs: what I don't do is pay big greedy corporations big greedy bucks
Kame: Kano: BootStrapperInhibitAll=enable
mastertheknife: Kano: BootStrapperInhibitAll
mastertheknife: =enable
nfrs: and that's what steam is for
SimmyD: nfrs: from the sound of it you are not what steam is aimed at
SimmyD: nfrs: soooooo meh
GodofGrunts: nfrs: Then don't. Steam isn't for you.
SimmyD: nfrs: steam also has so many indie games on it if you looked
Kame: Doesn't payings team big greedy bucks pay little indie studios medium greedy bucks?
Kame: paying steam*
GodofGrunts: Yep
mastertheknife: This is pure win situation, everybody wins. 1) Valve will make lots of money because there aren't many games for linux. 2) We will have some good games to play.
nfrs: Kame: no, it pays them tiny tiny bucks
GodofGrunts: I'm sure Richard Stallman will go ape shit
Kame: Oh? What's the cut, nfrs?
d2kx: talk to garry newman (hl2 garrys mod) if he thinks he got ripped by valve
nfrs: Kame: for indie studios it's like for beginning musicians
d2kx: sold his mod for 10� over steam and is a very rich man now
GodofGrunts: nfrs: Actually, I think valve gives a pretty good cut.
mastertheknife: nfrs: Every dollar matters nowdays.
NigeyUK: Kano, done that to .. lol
Kame: nfrs: So.... what's the cut?
SimmyD: a sale on steam is probably a sale they wouldnt get to start with
NigeyUK: replaced all Arial with Marlett and nada :/
SimmyD: so whatever it is its a win
nfrs: GodofGrunts: valve might be. I'm talking about the majority of games which are released by the big labels
mastertheknife: Kano: make sure to also change basefont= in resources/styles/steam.styles, not just in resource/steamscheme.res
SimmyD: nfrs: we are talking about different things now :\
GodofGrunts: nfrs: Vavle is the is the company behind steam
Ivanovic: nfrs: and with those you just wait for a year and get deals for <20€
nfrs: well, this discussion has gone completely off track now
Ivanovic: so unless you "need" games on the release day you can easily wait and pay a rpice that is more fair
Ivanovic: and yes, i am all for paying the big players a *fair* price for their products
Ivanovic: (i think that some 60€ are insane and am not willing to pay this, instead i tend to wait, especially since there are a lot less bugs when i tend to buy ^^)
SimmyD: Ivanovic: even if they are a big company there are individual programmers on those projects getting paid
SimmyD: :)
Kano: mastertheknife: when i do that it crashes
mastertheknife: Kano: Strange, same here!
Ivanovic: SimmyD: sure
Ivanovic: SimmyD: though these days there is often more money spent ont he ads then on producing the game
Ivanovic: best example: the latest ea games like modern warfare2
SimmyD: Ivanovic: but when it comes down to it it does pay for salarys
Ivanovic: yes, it does
Kano: bt-family=basefont...
SimmyD: Ivanovic: i would hate it if people stopped buying cisco kit. then i would be out of the job lol
Ivanovic: but honestly, i am not willing to pay some 60€ (or even "just" 50€) for a game that only lasts 8 hours
SimmyD: lol
mastertheknife: Yeah, multiplayer games FTW :)
SimmyD: Ivanovic: yea thats fair enough. you pay more to start with to get quick access to it :P and mp games can last forever :D
SimmyD: i want to see BF BC2 on linux
SimmyD: then i would have to take some sick days
d2kx: i dont care much about sp games anymore tbh... prefer games like bfbc2, valves source games etc
GodofGrunts: SimmyD: I bought TF2 for 10 dollars. Have logged over 300 hours
SimmyD: GodofGrunts: hoping that comes to linux? ;)
GodofGrunts: Best 10 dollars ever spent
d2kx: valve sold tf2 for 2,49� for three hours
GodofGrunts: SimmyD: It's going to Mac so I'm assuming it's coming to Linux
NigeyUK: woah it doesnt like the font being changed at all mastertheknife lol
GodofGrunts: d2kx: Yes it did. Many on overclock.net bought it
d2kx: i bought it for three of my many accounts
Ivanovic: i prefer games that do offer some good story and gameplay
The_Muh: half-live (2)
kloplop321: portal == awesome
mastertheknife: NigeyUK: I am so tired of the font stuff and my back is killing me from all the sitting and trying to get fonts to work, lol. I think i'll just wait for the next update, hopefully it will work thee
GodofGrunts: Ivanovic: I like those games when I play by myself
Ivanovic: don't care too much about mp games (though coop mp in some rpgs can be *really* a great thing, by far too seldom IMO)
The_Muh: half-life (2) and portal are awesome
d2kx: yeah i also play SP games like hl2, stalker and portal (all awesome) but not as much as i used to
GodofGrunts: Portal was incredible
GodofGrunts: I only play RPGs by self
The_Muh: RPGs on computer?
The_Muh: no way
GodofGrunts: FF series, Mass Effect1+2
mastertheknife: I know Diablo 3 will come to Windows and Mac, i hope linux too.
GodofGrunts: Not MMORPGs
GodofGrunts: Hate those things.
Ivanovic: The_Muh: fallout3
Kame: mastertheknife: Heh, has Blizzard release ANY games for linux yet?
GodofGrunts: Ivanovic: How did I forget that one lol
Ivanovic: yes, that is a mix between shooter and rpg, works lovely
mastertheknife: true :(
The_Muh: RPGs are only good when do you play with pen & paper
Ivanovic: and yeah, works better on pc than on console
SimmyD: Baulders Gate
SimmyD: *memories*
d2kx: World of Warcraft bashing is lots of fun, but then MMORPG can be amazing
GodofGrunts: The_Muh: Pen and paper is great, but not always feasible
d2kx: i liked Myst and Riven point and click
Kame: MMO's are only good if they have AMAZING PvP
Kano: mastertheknife: the simple way is just wait ;)
Kano: and play other games
The_Muh: on computer-RPGs i hate that i can't do what i want
GodofGrunts: The_Muh: In college I had Gerps games on Tuesdays, DnD on wednesdays, anime club on thursdays, and LARPing during the weekends
SimmyD: Kano: i dont think mastertheknife can wait :P
GodofGrunts: s/gerps/gurps
Kano: webkit is still missing too
The_Muh: btw: lol @ the topic
kloplop321: throws a kit of the web at Kano
mastertheknife: There is webkit for linux actually, i guess valve didn't compile it yet or something
Kano: anybody here using i3/i5 dual?
Kano: made a tiny repo with kernel + libdrm for testing vaapi
Kano: michaellarabel: could you test it? its for lucid 32 bit
The_Muh: gn8 guys
Kano: patched with ck2 as extra ;)
kloplop321: I'm using an i7 920
Kano: no i need somebody with onboard intel hd graphics
kloplop321: I only have a normal atom with intel graphics(sucky)
Kano: no
SimmyD: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
SimmyD: :P thats totally what you want right?
SimmyD: haha
kloplop321: intel graphics sucky, go nvidia.
GodofGrunts: kloplop321: I prefer AMD/ATI
SimmyD: this is build into a laptop
SimmyD: and its a work one
SimmyD: lol
SimmyD: compiz works great though :P
Kano: SimmyD: no its only inside i3/i5 chips
kloplop321: GodofGrunts: I've stayed away from them because of their failure drivers in linux
Kano: ok, i7-600m would be also possible
SimmyD: Kano: wasnt being serious ;)
GodofGrunts: kloplop321: Yeah I hear you, but I just can't accept Nviida's business practices
kloplop321: I can't stand Microsoft, but enlighten me
Kano: SimmyD: most likely later this year your chip will work too
SimmyD: what is it you are trying?
GodofGrunts: kloplop321: Oh hai! We're Nvidia. Check out our BRAND NEW 9800 Series!
mastertheknife: microsoft lol
Kano: SimmyD: VAAPI
GodofGrunts: kloplop321: Erm... Is that just an 8800GT with a different name?
kloplop321: GodofGrunts: I use 9800 GTX + actually
mastertheknife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8M6S8EKbnU
Kano: SimmyD: basically you can try vaapi with your chipset already, you can play dvds
GodofGrunts: kloplop321: 9XXX series was the 8XXX series renamed
GodofGrunts: kloplop321: Sold at new price
Kano: SimmyD: http://kanotix.com/files/fix/mplayer-vaapi-latest.txt
Kano: run that script on ubuntu lucid/karmic
Kano: or debian since squeeze
GodofGrunts: kloplop321: The fermi they ran for the demostration was fake.
kloplop321: according to the raw specifications, the series were different, but oh well
kloplop321: Yeah, I remember that news.
kloplop321: Fermi has low yields right?
SimmyD: Kano: fedora user sorry :P so that would give me better dvd performance?
GodofGrunts: kloplop321: Yes it does
Kano: sure hw accellerated
Kano: vld
Kano: mplayer -va vaapi -vo vaapi:gl:reflect dvd://
SimmyD: Kano: i havnt had may issues with video on my laptop
SimmyD: all seems to work great
Kano: thats a 3d effect to try
Kano: SimmyD: sure but also for full hd mpeg2
SimmyD: ah :)
Kano: the script allows that with nvidia too
Kano: dvd is not possible with ati
SimmyD: you cant play dvd with ati?!
SimmyD: ooo you mean with open drivers?
Kano: VAProfileMPEG2Simple : VAEntrypointVLD
Kano: VAProfileMPEG2Main : VAEntrypointVLD
Kano: thats missing on ati
Kano: via xvba-video wrapper
SimmyD: lol its all rather above my head :P
SimmyD: cisco tech not a video programmer lol
Kano: vainfo output
GodofGrunts: Kano: I can play dvds on ati
Kano: GodofGrunts: but not using full accelleration
GodofGrunts: Oh? Even with proprietary drivers?
Kano: there is no vld entry point for vaapi
GodofGrunts: Hmm... Did not know that.
Kano: you can try my script and use the command for h264+ vc1
Kano: you dont need to use the :reflect of couse, it just looks funny
SimmyD: so does vaapi replace the xv stuff?
d2kx: i think vaapi falls back to xv automatically if it cant accelerate the codec in the video
SimmyD: Kano: i cant test it sorry. wrong package managment :P
Kano: SimmyD: i know that it works, i have got a q45 board
Kano: but on i3 you could try h264
Kano: for fedora is a repo with mplayer vaapi
Kano: http://www.happyassassin.net/video-experimental/
Kano: a bit older than latest but should do
LinuxDonald: vdapu is from nvidia?
Kano: you can use vdpau-video wrapper
Kano: that maps vaapi calls to vdpau
LinuxDonald: i mean that fedora mplayer have vdapu support offical
Kano: so basically vaapi is the most general api
Kano: sure vdpau is in mplayer svn without any patch
LinuxDonald: since the last update
Kano: but the vaapi patched mplayer works differently
Kano: it can use vdpau too when you dont disable it, but it does NOT need any vc override
Kano: it works with vdpau when you use
Kano: mplayer -va vdpau -vo vdpau
Kano: no vc override
Kano: no idea if the fedora mplayer has vdpau still enabled, my script does not disable it
Kano: as i want to be able to compare
LinuxDonald: on fedora you must choose vdapu in the settings to activate it
Kano: LinuxDonald: on mplayer svn -vo vdpau does NOT accellerate
Kano: you need vc override
Kano: like: -vc ffh264vdpau,ffmpeg12vdpau,ffvc1vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,
Kano: you should know that, do you?
Kano: http://blog.wolfire.com/
LinuxDonald: i will test it when i have the time for it :)
Kano: 25% pirate copies ;)
LinuxDonald: that´s not good
LinuxDonald: have buyed it :)
Kano: well you can not buy it in every country
Kano: even if you like to
mastertheknife: Valve should see this video, hehe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRPEIo0LLHQ&feature=related
LinuxDonald: hehe
Deanjo: Sysinfo for 'nemicron': Linux 2.6.31.13-14-desktop running KDE Development Platform 4.4.3 (KDE 4.4.3), CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T at 1600 MHz (6428 bogomips), HD: 2490/3723GB, RAM: 2803/8001MB, 268 proc's, 22.12min up
Kano: no 2.6.34-rc7 yet?
Deanjo: Why?
Kano: or did you patch your kernel?
Deanjo: openSUSE backported the patches
Kano: well i would compare it against latest, maybe with ck
Deanjo: I might
Kano: i really like ck
Deanjo: PITA though to compile a kernel for that
Kano: or, that will take ages ;)
Deanjo: lol ya, you know how slow hex cores are :P
Deanjo: Great wa to break in thermal paste :P
Deanjo: way
Kano: sure, do you create rpm?
Deanjo: When I have time
Kano: i wait for u to rebase on rc7
Kano: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=summary
Deanjo: ya all those patches are in this kernel
Deanjo: Guess the real test will come when openSUSE 11.3 comes out
Deanjo: I'll have to run them again when that out
Deanjo: Wonder if windows is going to ask me to re-authenticate witht the proc change
Kano: not with 1 change
Deanjo: Maybe not, might with videocard swap though
Kano: no
Deanjo: Is it still the magic 3 items?
Deanjo: Proc/Vid/ some other device?
Kano: i think it was bios, nic, proc, hd serial
Kano: and some others
Deanjo: I don't know, it's been so long since I ran a non vlk version of windows
Kano: you are the only one i know ;)
kloplop321: vlk?
Deanjo: volume licensing
Kano: well usually all use now oem
Deanjo: lol, well I found a KDE system monitor bug
Deanjo: doesn't know how to handle 6 cores
Kano: only 6 cores?
Deanjo: Ya
Kano: dual opteron are 24 ;)
Deanjo: Um no, Dual opteron are 12
Deanjo: your thinking of bulldozer
Deanjo: quad opterons are 24 core
Kano: its already out
Deanjo: Bulldozer is not out yet
Kano: Magny Cours is it called
Deanjo: there have been benches published but they are not out
Deanjo: Ok, I stand corrected, forgot about the stitched together proc
Kano: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819105267&Tpk=opteron%206168
Kano: it seems you can but it or not
Deanjo: Nice C-Ray Phenom II 955 = 107 seconds Phenom II 1090T = 72 seconds
Kano: well to test turbo you need something like povray
Kano: thats single threaded
Deanjo: Yup
Deanjo: just running some short tests before running the big suite
Deanjo: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=deanjo-13251-22428-18440
Deanjo: Kinda went nuts on building that profile lol
Kano: michaellarabel: can you tell me the pass i used for kano in pts?
Deanjo: Think it was "I love OS/2"
Deanjo: :D
Deanjo: Hmmm, wonder if AMD improved the temp sensor on these things
Kano: hmm is 7zip 4.65 similar than 9.04
Deanjo: IIRC the 9.x series has some experimental compression for video
Kano: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=kano-6627-14842-17066
Kano: ffmpeg on my oc system is much faster however
Kano: stock speed: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=kano-11623-26178-18490
Deanjo: ya doing a head to head of hardware with difference OS's are kind of pointless however. Especially in compile tests because of additional feature support config picks up
Kano: maybe a run it with stock speed against your values, but would like to know my pass ;)
Kano: Deanjo: i did all tests in LIVE mode
Kano: with 8 gb ram
Deanjo: Right, but I've got development packages coming out of the yin yang
Kano: kanotix of course
Deanjo: Here I figured you more for a Yopix kinda guy lol
Deanjo: Yoper
Kano: ?
Deanjo: Obscure distro that was one of the first live distros
Kano: well 7zip does not compile
Kano: could you run that single bench
Kano: or maybe ffmpeg too
Kano: the compile benchmarks are definitely usells
Deanjo: ya I can in a sec, why is vDrift in the multi-core suite?
Kano: no idea
Deanjo: lol it's as single threaded as you can get
Kano: povray is single threaded too
Deanjo: Ya will have to talk to michael about those in that suite
Deanjo: brb
Kano: i benched against a i5-750 but without kano profile i think too
Deanjo: which benches kano did you want me to test?
Kano: 7zip
Kano: ffmpeg
Kano: those do not take that long
Kano: maybe povray for single core speed
Deanjo: well 7zip is multithreaded
Kano: i know
Deanjo: ok
Kano: that will show 6x speed very good
Kano: not sure about ffmpeg
Kano: but it was relatively slow
Deanjo: ffmpeg peters off IIRC
Deanjo: here is 7-zip http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=deanjo-4750-6280-5326
Deanjo: ffmpeg http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=deanjo-786-19857-6937
Kano: good will test against
Deanjo: povray on the way
mastertheknife: wow
mastertheknife: new client
rsk: =)
mastertheknife: update i mean
Sir_Brizz: any interesting changes?
Sir_Brizz: they released a new Windows update that added Steam Play
mastertheknife: no.. just steamclient.so for linux
NeoSageX: where is the steamclient.so
Azerthoth|D: gawds ... there goes the channel again
Deanjo: minus 1 million points to the next guy that mentions steam
NeoSageX: :l
rsk: maets
Kano: Deanjo: the 6core is only 10% faster against a my quad with 7zip
Kano: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=kano-17800-27078-6748
Kano: stock speed, normal kanotix hd install
Kano: ck2 patched kernel
Kano: not that impressive
Deanjo: Considering the amount of cache on that thing....
Sir_Brizz: Steam
Sir_Brizz: what do I win
Deanjo: Not to mention double the price tag on that xeon
Deanjo: For the same price as your Xeon, I've bought CPU, board and ram
Kano: i got it for free ;)
Deanjo: Well hell free, beats anything in performance per dollar
Deanjo: except a faster free processor
Kano: yes, but that must be an i7 then
Kano: 980X or so ;)
Deanjo: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=deanjo-5061-3504-30482 povray
bkero: wonders if AMD makes anything faster than my i7 yet.
bkero: It's been about 2 years now, I hope they do
Deanjo: Depends on the test
Deanjo: http://techreport.com/articles.x/18799
Kano: i like ffmpeg ;)
Kano: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=kano-10057-21902-12801
Kano: impressive, isnt it?
Kano: compared to the ago of the cpu
Kano: age
bkero: WIsh I could replicate their results so I could see where I stack up
Deanjo: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=deanjo-4026-13112-23216 <--try this kano
bkero: 2.66->4.66 overclock
Kano: Deanjo: sure
Deanjo: hmmm, one thing I never looked at, if that test is doing one or 2 passes
Kano: just povray is still running
Kano: bkero: the current tests are stock speed
Deanjo: hmmm, just as I thought, single pass, need to revamp that profile for 2 -pass as that is where it starts threading heavy
Kano: Deanjo: did you oc the cpu or does it really report turbo mode?
Kano: with 3.62 ghz
Deanjo: It reports turbo mode
Deanjo: I think that when pts does the query it spikes and grabs the info at that time
Kano: ah
Sir_Brizz: http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/05/Saving-a-penny----pirating-the-Humble-Indie-Bundle
Sir_Brizz: I don't buy this math
Deanjo: There are some bugs yet to be worked out in the linux kernel on handling this cpu when it comes to the stepping as well.
Kano: best test againsst .34, i think it will get faster
Deanjo: There is no reason for it to be faster, the C'n'Q patches are identical
Kano: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Performance-problem-in-AMD-s-Phenom-II-X6-under-Linux-993127.html
Kano: read last line
Deanjo: Ya I know, all of thos have been backported to this kernel Kano
Kano: 59s for backport, 52.5s for .34
Deanjo: Only the one patch was put into the 2.6.33 read the complete paragraph
Kano: and you think suse did more?
Deanjo: Ya, all six patches
Deanjo: Jeff Mahoney through them in on the buildservice. Should be applied to the next official update release for it
Deanjo: I grabbed them off the build service
Deanjo: *threw
Kano: 3.6 ghz is really nice for povray
Kano: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=kano-6725-8134-13637
Kano: 23% faster
bluekoal1: w
Kano: i think when an app uses more than 3 threads then a quad is sometimes faster
Kano: as it can not use turbo in that case
bluekoal1: sounds like it makes sense
Kano: when you would test ssl speed then amd always wins too ;)
bluekoal1: interesting
bluekoal1: I hear AMD is good at virtualization
Kano: no idea, for vbox + xp a dual core intel is even enough
Kano: Deanjo: you should not forget the x3380 is 95w cpu
Kano: not 125w
bluekoal1: Is that the X6?
Deanjo: Yup
bluekoal1: Kano: I didn't realize there was a boot menu for Kanotix; I had fun trying to decipher german :P
Kano: 5 s
Kano: but you always need to switch the kde keyboard, press on the german flag
bluekoal1: Cool
bluekoal1: I tried it out last night
bluekoal1: my buddy was windering what is different from it than debian
bluekoal1: *wondering
Kano: well i use ubuntu kernel tuned with ck2 patches and some other small config changes and extra patches
Kano: also i have got interesting backports
Kano: kde 3.5 is faster than kde 4.4 too
Kano: and i do not even miss the gfx effects...
SimmyD: aaaaand back
SimmyD: what did i miss?
Kano: Deanjo: i am sure you will like that test ;)
Kano: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=profile&u=kano-26980-17219-3152
Kano: x3380 is 3% faster ;)
Kano: usally you can gain up to 5% with bfs
Kano: the cpu is q1/09
Kano: not bad...
Kano: Deanjo: maybe 890FX would be faster
Kano: but only i5/i7 boards would allow sli
Kano: not amd...
Kano: its a pity
Kano: bye
bluekoal2: Weird
bluekoal2: bluekoala is responding
bluekoal2: Even though there's no session open for it
bluekoal2: There we go
bluekoala: Hello
aliendude3500: Hey guys... you know the humble Indie bundle on Wolfire's site? Well, apparently if we reach $1mil in donations (less than $175,000 off) -- Lugaru HD, Gish, and Penumbra will be open sourced... I have some chat logs from a user in Wolfire chat that look pretty legit: http://pastebay.com/97962 Anyone want to help the cause?
bluekoala: That just re-inforces that Wolfire's legit to begin with in my view
bluekoala: I was wondering about that
Conan_Kudo: 「名探偵コナン」
bluekoala: Unfortunately I'm kinda poor, but I'll donate sooner than later
r4: i can see those!
r4: im awesome!
bluekoala: Me too
bluekoala: I can see those too I meant
bluekoala: You can be the awesome
r4: haha
bluekoala: :)
bluekoala: Anyone here use guake?
Conan_Kudo: aliendude3500: really?
Conan_Kudo: ...
Conan_Kudo: those chat logs look like MSN logs
bluekoala: lol
Conan_Kudo: well, I bought the bundle
Conan_Kudo: and I'm impressed with the games
Conan_Kudo: Penumbra is scary though
Conan_Kudo: never, ever play it at night while there's a thunderstorm going on
Conan_Kudo: World of Goo is just plain addicting
bluekoala: Penumbra eh?
Conan_Kudo: yes
Conan_Kudo: they games are fun though
Conan_Kudo: *the
bluekoala: It looks cool
bluekoala: I should give them 10$ and check it out
bluekoala: Ia lready own world of goo on steam
bluekoala: And gish
Conan_Kudo: and Aquaria is exclusively available for Linux from the bundle
bluekoala: O RLY?
Conan_Kudo: yes
Conan_Kudo: you can get it, NOWHERE else
aliendude3500: Conan_Kudo, I agree, Penumbra is really creepy lol
bluekoala: I like scaring myself shitless
bluekoala: I'm deathly afraid of ghosts
bluekoala: Even though my appartment was haunted at one point
aliendude3500: Everyone in here seriously needs to buy this bundle -- I spent $10, and I suggest you all make a substantial donation -- best $10 I ever spent to support Linux games! :D
Sir_Brizz: word
bluekoala: I'll do 10$
bluekoala: +5$ for quaria
bluekoala: Because it has brains in it
Sir_Brizz: did you guys see the wolfire blog post?
Sir_Brizz: http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/05/Saving-a-penny----pirating-the-Humble-Indie-Bundle
Sir_Brizz: seems pretty flawed
bluekoala: Why pirate it when you set the price?
Sir_Brizz: who knows
Conan_Kudo: if you can't pay at all, I suppose?
Sir_Brizz: but I doubt the piracy rate is 25%
Conan_Kudo: Amazon only works in select regions
bluekoala: The WTF are you doing on the net?
Sir_Brizz: bluekoala: most of their payment mehods had regional restrictions
bluekoala: If you can afford 1$ for a bunch of games?
Conan_Kudo: PayPal is gradually disabling it's Asian customerbase
bluekoala: Ahhh
Sir_Brizz: I mean, they are missing some marks there
Conan_Kudo: Google afaik only works in North America and Europe
Sir_Brizz: 1) kids who don't have credit cards or bank accounts and refuse to beg mommy for $1
Conan_Kudo: and Japan
Sir_Brizz: 2) people in regions that can't pay
Sir_Brizz: 3) people who download from multiple locations
Sir_Brizz: 4) people who download each game multiple times
bluekoala: Yes, now I feel stupid, I once had no credit card
JEEB: PayPal recently made it so that payments inside Japan became impossible IIRC or something
bluekoala: And was on the net
JEEB: From outside to Japan is still possible tho
JEEB: (and the other way)
bluekoala: That means if they keep stats, they will be flawed
bluekoala: Spreadsheets are the incarnation of fascism I tell ye
aliendude3500: Conan_Kudo, I asked Sir_Gallantman for the whole log -- http://pastebay.com/97969
Conan_Kudo: ....
Conan_Kudo: reads it
Conan_Kudo: well, aside from the crappy stripping of the formatting
Conan_Kudo: seems pretty legit
aliendude3500: I can't testify those are real, but they look legit enough to me to try to get the donations to 1 mil
Conan_Kudo: it helps that the display name for Wolfire matches
Conan_Kudo: added it to my MSN contact list, it is the correct one
JEEB: Is that failed unicode, or formatting?
Conan_Kudo: confused about the email address not verified bit though
Conan_Kudo: if he's using MSN Plus!
Conan_Kudo: then he just did select the text, copy, and paste into the chat field
Conan_Kudo: most IRC clients automatically strip formatting
Conan_Kudo: Colloquy excepted
Conan_Kudo: that, more than anything else, proves its validity
Conan_Kudo: if you wanted to fake it, you'd make it look like a formatted log for readability
JEEB: http://pastebay.com/97970 and yeah, that pastebin fails for unicode by default :3
JEEB: has made several pastebins he frequents use UTF-8 by default
Conan_Kudo: MSN Plus doesn't use Unicode
Conan_Kudo: it uses HTML
Conan_Kudo: unless your client understands HTML Unicode (which is possible)
Conan_Kudo: then it would look like that
JEEB: well, yes -- but ニール・ゴンパ is what caught my eye
JEEB: or is that <> or something?
Conan_Kudo: that's a set of characters
Conan_Kudo: according to my HTML editor
JEEB: yeah
JEEB: what I pasted up there was me inputting テストテストテスト into the same pastebin :3
Conan_Kudo: it is: ニール・ゴンパ
JEEB: so yeah, the pastebin fails at unicode :3
Conan_Kudo: at least Gorilla pastebin has proper Unicode support
JEEB: yah, I made the CCCPastebin support unicode, too
JEEB: I wonder why it's so overlooked :V
Conan_Kudo: because Perl does not make Unicode easy on the devs
JEEB: well, IIRC the original Paul Dixon's pastebin was PHP, no? At least there the fix was to use UTF-8 encoding by default on the site, instead of the default ISO-(ry
JEEB: (rather easy)
bluekoala: 15$ to a good cause
bluekoala: I might give a tip if I really enjoy penumbra
Conan_Kudo: don't forget the other games ;)
Conan_Kudo: aliendude3500: you didn't post a link to the site?
Conan_Kudo: how are people who visit the logs and stuff going to find it?
Conan_Kudo: it is http://wolfire.com/humble right?
aliendude3500: yeah
aliendude3500: I highly suggest donating to it -- but hurry, there really isn't much time left to break the $1 million mark!