eldric: ping Azerthoth^
inkbottle: Hi, I plan to buy a new graphic card. I wan't to use open source driver only. And if it was not too difficult to set up...
mjr: choice one: intel integrated. Choice two: non-top-of-the-line ATI.
inkbottle: mjr, ok then... What would be a available (in shop), non-top-of-the-line-ati?
mjr: I'm not actually sure if r500 based atis are in shop anymore, but those have slightly more mature 3d support than the r600-r700 models (though they're beginning to get some too). r800-based don't have much free support as of yet.
inkbottle: mjr, radeon "or" radeonhd (driver)?
mjr: radeon, pretty much
mjr: (the 3d code they use from mesa is the same, they have some other differences but most of the stuff that radeonhd could do better has been folded into radeon)
mjr: disclaimer: I'm still using my radeon x850 though I am eyeing an r700 when the driver gets sufficiently good
mjr: but I don't have current personal experience on the newer radeons (x850 is r400 series)
mjr: or was it x800xl, anyway
inkbottle: radeon, ok ;)
inkbottle: 3D support exists up to the r7xx GPU (in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_hardware_and_FOSS)
mjr: yes, though as said, it's slightly more mature at r500
mjr: there is active development, I pretty much trust the basics to work soon if not now on r700 also, _but_ again no personal experience and I haven't really checked closely lately
mjr: so my blatherings are to be taken with a grain of salt
mjr: they're mostly true however as far as general knowledge goes :]
mjr: plus, you may need to get a driver from the mesa git development repository and compile it yourself, much of this is fairly recent work and I'm not sure how much of it is in prebuilt distributions yet
inkbottle: mjr, (:/) I don't like to compile myself
mjr: such is life on the bleeding edge
mjr: you may of course find some prebuilt packages for some distros, but that would depend if somebody's been industrious enough to do so
inkbottle: I m trying to find sth to buy, right now; i don't have much needs, and would like it not to eat too much electricity
mjr: well, then you'd probably be better off trying to find an older r500 generation card
mjr: 'cause those are more likely to work out of the box
eldric: Anybody got the latest catalyst drivers working on f12?
inkbottle: yes but it seems there isn't any
mjr: inkbottle, ah, here's something:
mjr: "Fedora 12 provides "out of the box" support for kernel mode-setting with ATI R600/700 series graphics hardware, but it does not provide 3D acceleration by default. However, Red Hat's X developers have made it very easy to enable this 3D support for the ATI Radeon HD 2000, 3000, and 4000 series hardware by just installing a special Mesa package from yum. In this article we are taking a quick look at where the R600/700 3D support is at in Fedora 12."
mjr: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_r600_3d&num=1
mjr: so at least with fedora you could easily get (experimental) 3d for r600-700
mjr: inkbottle, and here, it seems, are not-overly-hard-seeming instructions for ubuntu karmic: http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/enable-3d-support-on-r600r700-with-the-open-source-radeon-driver/
mjr: (2d should work by default, by the way)
inkbottle: mjr, i'm finding things too (see in one minute)
inkbottle: from there http://www.x.org/wiki/radeon, they say is supported: Radeon HD 2300 – Radeon HD 4890. I can't find the first one, and the second one is a bit more than i want
inkbottle: because it seems among R600/R700, not all is supported but only Radeon HD 2300 – Radeon HD 4890
eldric: mjr, thanks for the info. I was *really* hoping to get ati's catalyst driver working. do you know if 9.12 is compatible with xorg server 1.7?
mjr: sorry no
eldric: It isn't compatible or you don't know?
mjr: don't know
inkbottle: perhaps, this: "MSI Radeon HD3450 (512 Mo, PCI-E)", could do it?
mjr: well, it's in the range, I suppose. Ask on #radeon.
mjr: or not, if you want to ask about fglrx, that's for the free driver ;)
mjr: #ati may answer fglrx stuff
inkbottle: mjr, thanks #radeon
eldric: I've got this error while starting x: "dlopen: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so: undefined symbol: UpdateSpriteForScreen"
eldric: "Failed to load fglrx_drv.so"
jimenez: which one is the best driver for my card
jimenez: radeon or radeonhd
jimenez: os[Linux 2.6.33-rc3 i686] distro[ArchLinux] cpu[2 x Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2300 @ 1.66GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.66GHz] mem[Physical: 1006.6MB, 81.3% free] disk[Total: 36.7GB, 51.5% free] video[ATI Technologies Inc M56P [Radeon Mobility X1600]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel]
jtc10512: hello?
jtc10512: IS IRC DEAD? I HAVE SEEN NOONE TALKING ON ANY CHANNEL!!
bkero: what