Phoronix IRC Log: 2009-11-06
Kano: hi bkero , did you try vaapi on intel?
Deanjo: Kano, new drivers on the Nvidia developer site
Kano: hmm, not that easy to dl then?
Kano: not on the normal location
Kano: deep link possible?
Deanjo: Just checking something here
Deanjo: Nope can't deep link them
Kano: well we have to wait then. i expected 195 would appear earlier. must have got some dp fixes for dx10.1 cards on macs
Deanjo: Cuda 3/openCL/openGL 3.2 and they have Fermi support.
Kano: ah do they really have running cards now, i want one *g*
Kano: gt200 is no needed upgrade when you have got g92 already, but gt300 looks interesting
Deanjo: Well I did get a GTX275 back in the spring, put the two 8800GT's to Cuda work
Kano: did you hear about the vram problems with cuda? there could be undetected errors in there. gt300 will therefore support ecc (i guess for quadro only)
Deanjo: That's always been a concern with any GPU product that didn't have ECC
Kano: well i could play with extreme settings, but with my current 1680x1050 display games still run fast enough
Kano: i want a gt200+ new monitor ;)
Deanjo: * Early support for the Fermi architecture, including:
Deanjo: * Native 64-bit GPU support
Deanjo: * Multiple Copy Engine support
Deanjo: * ECC reporting
Deanjo: * Concurrent Kernel Execution
Deanjo: * Fermi HW debugging support in cuda-gdb
Kano: the question is how to get a gt300 now *g*
Deanjo: Drivers are actually dated Mon Oct 26
Kano: did not even read on tomshardware about those
Deanjo: What does Tom know :P
Kano: usually they get those cards way before
Deanjo: I imagine they are pretty sticky with the NDA on this guy
Deanjo: Fermi that is
Kano: for xmas it will come too late
Deanjo: Doesn't really much matter since ATI won't have their big guns out by then either lol
Kano: so i guess with a bit luck ati will even make profit this quarter
Deanjo: Not if they can't supply the chips the (58xx series that is)
Kano: they even sold lots of chips to apple
Kano: the older ones however
Kano: hd58 is mostly unavailable today, thats correct
Deanjo: Ya Apple cleared them out of 4x00 series chips
Kano: some hd57 are
Kano: my guess it that tmsc wants to produce more nv chips now and ati has to wait ;)
Kano: amd should produce the chips on their own
Deanjo: Well the rumor was that AMD didn't buy enough wafers lol
Kano: that can not be the case
Kano: if that is correct then ati is too stupid to make profit out of nv delay
Kano: in theory it could not be better for em...
Deanjo: It wouldn't be the first time AMD failed to take advantage of a situation
Kano: they also need more powerful cpus soon, maybe 6 core for mass market or so
Deanjo: They sat on their ass with their processors when they were whooping intels ass
Deanjo: 6 cores are coming out Q1
Deanjo: for the mass market
Kano: they have to do that, they have it for servers already
Deanjo: They need Bulldozer by the end of next year
Kano: and intel i5/i7 beats em hard
Kano: but then intel can show of i9, i am sure...
Kano: 32nm chips...
Deanjo: Well that would put intel about a year ahead to show i9
Kano: my guess they will sell it just in time that amd will not get too much money for the new top chip as it could be still slower
Deanjo: The Tock in intels Tick-Tock stategy would be the die shrink and given past timelines the shrink would happen around the end of next year
Kano: i compile much, so a hexa core would be nice
Deanjo: But who knows, on their next gen arch, they haven't been executing with larabee all that well. That keeps getting pushed back
Kano: larabee will be too slow when it comes out
Deanjo: Without a doubt
Kano: at least for gfx
Deanjo: a dead product on arrival
Deanjo: I wouldn't be surprised if intel just kills it
Kano: they only created it to put in on chip some years later
Kano: they work on integrating a standard gfx core now - but just with a dual core. well enough for office use
Deanjo: I still remember them saying "fuel cell batteries in 18 months" over 5 years ago
Deanjo: But yet a laptop has never been seen with one
Deanjo: Heh, I always get a kick out of how a new official Nvidia driver debuts a week or two before a opensuse release
Kano: well it is mainly for those who get fermi chips i guess
Deanjo: I'm talking about the 190.42's
Deanjo: You can look at the timeline for official nvidia drivers and suse releases, they are always a couple a weeks apart with nvidia putting them up just as suse goes goldmaster
Kano: so nv is a hidden suse fan ;)
Kano: just like ati for ubuntu *g*
Deanjo: pretty much
Deanjo: Hell suse's rpms are hosted on nvidia's server
Kano: that means some enterprise customers use suse ;)
Deanjo: Ya there a few of them lol
Deanjo: But they also do it for the "poor man's
Deanjo: " suse
Kano: any good ideas what blurays to get which are a bit older
Kano: today they are a bit cheaper than normal
Deanjo: No idea, can't justify looking at one
Deanjo: dead tech imho
Deanjo: well time for bed, catch ya later
Kano: michaellarabel: in your survey i miss one option: own install script ;)
Ivanovic: Kano: since you do lots of stuff regarding "making graphics drivers somehow work": any idea if it is possible to somehow get fglrx (or any beta of it) running with xorg-server 1.7.x?
Kano: never tried xserver 1.7 with fglrx
Ivanovic: since the (official) gentoo ebuild has a blocker included that is active with >=xorg-server-1.7.0 i assume that (at least up to the 9.9 it is impossible
Kano: i only optimized my fglrx script to install the xvba lib for karmic by removeing one depend which is not install able and i just got a new patch from the vaapi dev for the -2 script
Kano: for mplayer vaapi
Kano: well i dont use gentoo
Ivanovic: to be honest i prefer using the open drivers since those "just work"
Ivanovic: okay, atm without 3d support since the driver for my dvb-c card does not compile with 2.6.32-rc* yet, but at least 2d and watching videos is quite pleasant
Ivanovic: though i really look forward to the vsync rework so that i don't have no more tearing
Kano: what card is that?
Ivanovic: (no more tearing due to me using my display cloned on my 1920x1080 tv, where my desktop is at 1920x1200)
Kano: no the dvb-c
Ivanovic: that is a terratec cinergy c hd
Ivanovic: basically a clone of some azureware/twinhan card
Ivanovic: mantis based
Kano: you need liplianin?
Ivanovic: since the repo at jusst.de does not compile anymore since 2.6.26
Ivanovic: (post 2.6.26 that is)
Ivanovic: it does not compile with 2.6.32-rc*
Ivanovic: it does compile with anything before
Ivanovic: (that is after some tiny adjustments regarding the IR stuff)
Kano: my dvb-c cards are really old, terratec 1200-c first rev
Ivanovic: by now this card is old, too
Kano: but did you see the new cheap hauppauge dvb-c?
Kano: would like to know if those work
Ivanovic: no, i have not seen it
Ivanovic: beside this: the card i got is perfectly fine for me, especially since i can only use it to get the "free to air" chans anyway (damn unity media for encrypting anything beside ARD, ZDF and the likes!)
Kano: Hauppauge WinTV Express DVB-C PCI
gkatsev: hey, anyone know if the radeon 5770 will ever be officially supported by amd? or at the very least, how to get rid of the watermark?
gkatsev: or will the OSS drivers be able to support full compositing with compiz?
redeeman: theres a forum post on how to remove the watermark
gkatsev: redeeman: there is? i mustve missed it. would you happen to have a link?
redeeman: i do not, but its there
redeeman: kano responded how to do it
redeeman: perhaps that can help your search
gkatsev: ok, ill see if i can find it. thanks
Deanjo: Hmmm looks like AMD finally fixed their 4 banks of ram issue with the latest stepping of their phonom II's
gkatsev: hm... it seems to not have done anything...
gkatsev: so, ati catalyst drivers are released by monthly? so, i should expect a 9.11 to come out sometime in november?
gkatsev: i guess, ill wait and see if 9.11 fixes my problems, which, looks like it should.
Azerthoth: ati fixing something ... good luck with that
gkatsev: Azerthoth: well, really, it looks like my only problem (at the moment) is the stupid watermark because I am using the 5770 which is currently "unsupported"