ziroday: any recommendations for a new video card? Have an 8800GT currently, but its starting to show its age on some of the newer games
TotallyEpic: hey!
lexr: hi guys, anyone running fedora 11 with fglrx?
ni|: Hey all.
ni|: I'm a developer over at zen-sources.org, I've noticed that phoronix does a good job of pointing people in the right direction to the latest cool things the linux kernel has to offer.
ni|: Zen has been merging a lot of the stuff that you point to by default in our kernels. We are also maintaining the official mmotm git repository. It would be interesting to see benchmarks on all the I/O schedulers we provide by default in the kernel. Just a few of my thoughs -- I just wanted to correspond with a few of you over at Phoronix.
maligor: zen's just pretty enterprise targetted stuff :P
maligor: or was that xen
maligor: ah, I was confused the the url since xen also has a similar site
ni|: :)
ni|: all of our stuff is viewable via gitweb git.zen-sources.org
ni|: (save my private repository gitoffmylawn.git)
michaellarabel: What else has been going into the Zen kernel lately?
ni|: michaellarabel: same as usual -- providing the cool stuff and additional features
ni|: we are about to push 2.6.30-zen1 in the next few minutes
ni|: but as I said, we are interested in the same things that you are -- we just have them all merged in one repository.
ni|: I always ask myself as i'm recompiling my kernels what it would be like if i did config it differently every time -- which is a skill Phoronix certainly has
ni|: (its kind of hard to compile kernels all day at work -- i mostly save that for my school year :P)
ni|: 2.6.30-zen1 was just pushed :)
michaellarabel: Hmmm
ni|: michaellarabel: we are mostly just into keeping Linux fast and fun to use and play with. We have a nice system for bugs and i've noticed some of our users in here.
ni|: I have some plan9 work to get back to soon -- I just wanted to touch base.
DTEIT: hi
michaellarabel: hi
DTEIT: someone is using maybe radeon oss driver on radeon hd3300?
DTEIT: i have some problems with it
PuffTheMagic: michaellarabel: 2.6.30-zen1 has radeon-kms, ps3, aufs2, madwifi, slqb, bfq, tp_smapi, l7filter updates. acpi-dsdt, reiser4, fbcondecor, some other random io schedulers, lots of random laptop drivers, some other random patches for fs's and dricers, etc. etc. what ever people need/want we usually include
ni|: it can all be seen in the branches on gitweb
PuffTheMagic: DTEIT: you should really ping the people in #radeon if have problems with their driver ;)
DTEIT: thanks...i'll try
ni|: GL
PuffTheMagic: michaellarabel: ni| and I thought we would mention our kernel to you not even to get benchmarked but maybe you want to refer people to our kernel since we do all the leg work of merging all the latest goodies into 1 kernel, no need for people to try and merge 100 different branches on their own, not to mention most people are put off by patching kernels and probably don't test things early because of that
PuffTheMagic: and we are not distro specific either
ni|: git FTW :)
tuxinator901: Is there any difference in 260 gtx OCed and standard models in _hardware_ from let's say EVGA ? ty !
michaellarabel: Deanjo: you should let your NV contacts know that with the latest 185 driver there are visual regressions in vdrift (available through PTS) with the rear tires in particular
xocite: Today's outcry over Catalyst 9.6 was ridiculous.
Ivanovic: jupp
ni|: michaellarabel: did you check out zen yet? (sorry if i'm pestering you -- i just think we have something cool)
Deanjo: will do michaellarabel, just picked up a MSI NX275GTX Twin Prozr OC GTX 275 896MB, hopefully will get around to testing it this weekend. We are going through a bit of a heat wave right now and the A/C gave up
michaellarabel: Not yet, I have a very long TODO list and such. Even working 80+ hour weeks, it will still be a few days before I have a chance to check it out more since the last time I looked at Zen Sources.
michaellarabel: Deanjo: Nice
Deanjo: 99 degrees F in the house so not the ideal situation to bench cards lol
ni|: michaellarabel: ok, thanks! good luck on your work.
evocallaghan: Hey, anyone with some exotic hardware here?
evocallaghan: that is, not x886
evocallaghan: s/x86
evocallaghan: rather.
Deanjo: has a TI-30 calculator on his desk
Deanjo: michaellarabel, spambot http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=78835&postcount=10
Deanjo: ( Multimedia ) Video Card: nVidia Corporation Device 05e6 [ Screen Resolution: 1920x1200 pixels / 24 Bits | DRI: Yes ] |
Deanjo: Grrr.....
Deanjo: shakes his fist at Stefan for missing a PCI-ID
evocallaghan: ugh, bloody gnu tools ;(
Deanjo: Ya I like old ones better too :P
evocallaghan: Well, I like a standard that is supportable for ISV's !
evocallaghan: This is the kind of BS that makes GNU based systems so unsupportable
mattmatteh: evocallaghan, exotic ?
mattmatteh: thats what it is when its not the crappy x86
mattmatteh: ?
mattmatteh: has an ibook g4
evocallaghan: Ah yes
evocallaghan: Although PPC is well tested
Deanjo: evocallaghan, you here Sun killed processor development?
evocallaghan: mattmatteh:Shaking as many bugs as I can out of llvm/clang. I was kind of hoping someone would pop up and say they have MIPS
evocallaghan: :)
Deanjo: *hear
evocallaghan: Saw it coming, don't care about things I can't do anything about
mattmatteh: evocallaghan, i want mips, but getting one from china is not easy
mattmatteh: keeping an eye on that
mattmatteh: evocallaghan, i have a ps2, need to get the dust off that and run linux again :P
evocallaghan: I am told you can buy them NL
evocallaghan: I need to get a target planform very soon to port our kernel to it
evocallaghan: I have a 600pound JTAG all ready here :|
mattmatteh: evocallaghan, buy them NL ?
Deanjo: I can see a few more things being killed off and sold to the highest bidder once Oracles buy out goes through
Deanjo: such as ZFS (tm Apple)
evocallaghan: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ALPHA-400&cat=NBB you can get them
evocallaghan: ZFS getting killed off?
evocallaghan: What,
evocallaghan: Not happening
Deanjo: I could see Apple buyin that tech
evocallaghan: If anything Solaris stepped up in dev
mattmatteh: that would be bad if apple bought zfs
evocallaghan: I see a lot more patches flowing in these days
mattmatteh: should be gpl'ed
evocallaghan: and how can apple buy something that is opensource and they already have ?
mattmatteh: evocallaghan, what do you mean by NL ?
evocallaghan: That makes no sense
Deanjo: They don't have the rights to it
Deanjo: Same thing that they did with Cups
evocallaghan: and no they would never GPL it as GPL is crap and dis-allows them to use it in there BSD type kernel
evocallaghan: No, it should not be GPL'ed
evocallaghan: The GPL is crap, it tells you what to do with your own code too much
Deanjo: BSD licence
evocallaghan: +1
mattmatteh: ok...
Deanjo: I completely agree with you on the GPL evocallaghan
mattmatteh: just so long as it doesnt have corportate BS with it
Deanjo: (holy smokes that's gotta be a first :P)
mattmatteh: evocallaghan, i am still not sure what you mean bu NL ?
evocallaghan: Deanjo: Cheers
mattmatteh: i was really interstested in that mips from china ?
Deanjo: The GPL is just another set of chains on the otherside of the fence IMHO
evocallaghan: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=NL&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
evocallaghan: At the top of the google search
mattmatteh: Deanjo, i dont see that. but not saying thats not the case
evocallaghan: " .nl is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for the Netherlands "
mattmatteh: ohhhhhhh
mattmatteh: got ti
mattmatteh: it
evocallaghan: will be porting AuroraUX to MIPS
evocallaghan: :)
mattmatteh: evocallaghan, i was getting all excited thinking there was an easy way to get it
evocallaghan: More people welcome !!!!
mattmatteh: waits to find it on newegg :P
evocallaghan: that sell the the US
Deanjo: mattmatteh, next to PD, the BSD license has to be the most "free" of licenses
evocallaghan: You can order in the US as well
mattmatteh: evocallaghan, how ?
evocallaghan: We are using the BSD in AuroraUX
Deanjo: is a big advocate of PD
mattmatteh: is not familiar with PD license
Deanjo: Public domain
mattmatteh: at the moment i am a fan of gpl
evocallaghan: mattmatteh: I don't live there, just google for it, your find them "MIPS laptop"
mattmatteh: evocallaghan, i was looking for the mini, not the laptop
mattmatteh: with dvi for the desktop
evocallaghan: mattmatteh:Pfff, read the GPL before you say your a fan of it ;) most people go on about it and have never even read the dam thing
mattmatteh: evocallaghan, i found out they have a quad core in the works, kinda waiting on that
evocallaghan: Yes
evocallaghan: But only if you buy these
mattmatteh: evocallaghan, you are right, i have not read the damn thing
evocallaghan: I think they will stop if no one buys these
mattmatteh: but... most of my software i am using is that
evocallaghan: I rather spend a tiny bit and put demand up :)
mattmatteh: not saying i dont like bsd, its fine
evocallaghan: I use GPL software as well
evocallaghan: But I would not say I am a fan 'of the GPL'
mattmatteh: evocallaghan, well, they are not marketing the mips well
evocallaghan: Just being very clear with my words
mattmatteh: evocallaghan, so thats not my problem
evocallaghan: :)
evocallaghan: Yep, well they are limited
evocallaghan: They are selling fairly well afaik
mattmatteh: evocallaghan, if i had more money to throw around i would think nothing of it. but.. at the moment i am poor
mattmatteh: and will probably get a mips laptop when they come out
mattmatteh: err
mattmatteh: arm
mattmatteh: i meant
evocallaghan: They are like 99$ lol
mattmatteh: evocallaghan, they are out ?
evocallaghan: is going to buy a few of them
mattmatteh: or you mean the mips ?
evocallaghan: yes
evocallaghan: been out for a while now
mattmatteh: link ?
evocallaghan: google
evocallaghan: lots of people sell them
mattmatteh: i was watching the one from genesi
mattmatteh: hmm
mattmatteh: ill have to google later on
Deanjo: hopes the A/C guy can make it by the weekend, benching in close to 40 degrees C ambient temps isn't exactly a great environment to do so
evocallaghan: I think genesi is dead no?
evocallaghan: loves the heat !
mattmatteh: evocallaghan, not according to powerdeveloper.org
evocallaghan: Hold on lads, I need to work on -iname stupid switch to the gnu find
mattmatteh: likes hot/warm, hates humidity
evocallaghan: ;(
mattmatteh: Deanjo, where are you ?
Deanjo: I'm a prairie boy, heat + humidity = grumpy Deanjo
Deanjo: Saskatoon Saskatchewan Canada
evocallaghan: Deanjo: Do you know what -iname is in Unix terms?
mattmatteh: didnt think it would be that warm there
evocallaghan: for `find`
mattmatteh: been cold and rainy in chicago
Deanjo: no I don't evocallaghan
Deanjo: mattmatteh, We can reach -50C during the winter and + 50C in the summer
evocallaghan: OK cheers
evocallaghan: brb once this bug is fixed in llvm
Deanjo: It's a land of extremes here
mattmatteh: i was thinking you were on the east coast, not in the middle
mattmatteh: thats like montana and north dekota
mattmatteh: i have seen those extreme
Deanjo: Na pretty much smack dab in the middle of Canada
mattmatteh: yeah, i just googled
Azerthoth: Deanjo is a southerner in my book
Deanjo: lol, I was raised further north
Azerthoth: Fairbanks Alaska ;)
Deanjo: Yellowknife when I was a kid
evocallaghan: fcxk it, i'll do find . -print | grep -i "pattern"
Azerthoth: although right now I'm in Oklahoma attending training for work, and then headed to Bethel Alaska
Azerthoth: then back to Oklahoma for 2 months
Deanjo: Lived in Toronto for a bit too back in the 90's. Now that humidity damn near killed me
Azerthoth: tell me about it, today 97f and 70%
Deanjo: I don't think I could live in a warm coastal city
Azerthoth: tomorrow is supposed to be 100+ and 80%
Deanjo: ugggh
Deanjo: gross
Azerthoth: I just run from AC to AC
Deanjo: lol, know the feeling
Azerthoth: there is a reason I live in Alaska, I know how to wear clothes
Deanjo: hehe
Azerthoth: hey technical question for you
Deanjo: The answer is 42
Azerthoth: you know of a way to pass a command from a script into a chroot
Deanjo: :D
Azerthoth: thats what the mice say atleast
Deanjo: as root or as a user? (well actually it would have to be root)
Azerthoth: right, I'm working on my noob installed with LVM and must now chroot in to rescue script
Azerthoth: and wanting to automate the chroot process, but the last two commands have to be run from inside the chroot itself
Deanjo: damn, not sure
Azerthoth: hmm I'll hit drobbins or kano up
Deanjo: lol good idea
evocallaghan: removes GNU'ness from another script in the world :)
Deanjo: prepares the GTX275 to a uningine run to see how good this MSI heatpipe really is
evocallaghan: http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvm-commits/Week-of-Mon-20090615/078865.html :)
evocallaghan: Deanjo back, where were we
kuzetsa: o.O looks like I found a new home =^_^=
Deanjo: Oh dear
evocallaghan: My words exactly!
kuzetsa: Deanjo!!!
kuzetsa: thanks
Deanjo: np
evocallaghan: hmm http://llvm.org/nightlytest/machine.php?machine=454
Deanjo: Welcome. (BTW your free to schmooz all the women in this channel)
kuzetsa: wghat?1
kuzetsa: uhm... I don't want random people smooching me
Deanjo: heh, never seen the fairer sex in here
kuzetsa: I feel violated... how'd you know
Deanjo: Spy satellites
kuzetsa: ick... just remembered seing my car on google maps streetview the other day
kuzetsa: google is scary business
kuzetsa: google is srs / scary
Deanjo: Ya they came though my part of the world this spring. They are making them blur out things like license plates and faces here
Deanjo: Canadian Privacy laws are pretty strict
kuzetsa: so... I'm trying to find the best way to get http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/ running under a VM to see how confused / broken it acts virtualized (or how close to native speed)
Deanjo: runs very well in vm's
kuzetsa: cool
Deanjo: (excluding games of course)
kuzetsa: yeah... graphics under a VM might act screwy
kuzetsa: esp the VM I prefer ... colinux is pretty cute: run xming or any other xserver for win32 and then fire up your linux kernel underneath win32 filesystems loopmounted with native-speed memory and CPU access =^_^=
kuzetsa: it completely lacks support for any sort of way to run an xserver
kuzetsa: which is brilliant: emulating video is such a chore / hassle
Deanjo: LMAO http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=deanjo-15896-9726-137
kuzetsa: thanks
Deanjo: Need more FPS
kuzetsa: 697 FPS? is that useful? lol
kuzetsa: ah quake3... nice video card
Deanjo: Just picked it up
kuzetsa: I'm wondering... is there a bootable test suite live-disc (cd prefferably) I can get with support for my USB thumb-sticks to save screenshots / results?
kuzetsa: I personally made a win32 one for running win32 benches... I'm stoked at the idea of a linux-powered one
kuzetsa: o.O super-pi *drool*
Deanjo: It's being worked on ;D
evocallaghan: Deanjo: If your into the BSD license, please do drop by #auroraux on freenode when you get a min, I am sure we can interest you :)
Deanjo: BTW super-pi sucks ass for CPU optimizations. VERY intel biased
kuzetsa: I'm intel biased too though, so it = win
Deanjo: lol
kuzetsa: besides AMD / ATI attempt at open drivers for linux gpu is a real joke... nvidia typically works right
Deanjo: Ya I'll check it out sometime this week evocallaghan. Trying to break the new card tonight lol
kuzetsa: ah 'grats on having one that makes mine look like an antique (8800 GTS 640mb)
kuzetsa: still scores 5.9 on vista *shrugs*
Deanjo: Well I wouldn't say the AMD opensource drivers are a joke. They just have some real limitations that they have to deal with unlike blobs
evocallaghan: Deanjo: Very cool,
kuzetsa: blobs?
evocallaghan: they are evil little things that will eat you at night
Deanjo: like the nvidia drivers and the amd binary drivers
kuzetsa: I like binary drivers though
kuzetsa: they just work
evocallaghan: they are also things that fall on your head on sat morning TV
Deanjo: Ya I'm a fan of "shit that works" too kuzetsa
kuzetsa: the ia32 ones (and by ia32 I DO NOT mean amd I mean intel arch 32)
evocallaghan: kuzetsa:Nvidia ones are good, ATi ones are crap
kuzetsa: nods
kuzetsa: lol
kuzetsa: well... I haven't had any decent ati hardware in a while
evocallaghan: Although, ATi had some good hw
evocallaghan: they constantly screw around
Deanjo: Well to be fair they have come a long way even from a year ago
Deanjo: Still have a lot of catching up to do though
kuzetsa: but I was quite dissapointed with the ATI 650 combo tuner I had -- support was just DROPPED by ATI more or less... the tuners aren't as good as they used to be
evocallaghan: and at the end of the day we just want to use our bloody computers not wait for 'next years release' when you prob already put the hw out the {window,bin,grandma house}
Deanjo: found the best tuner there is, a nic card. IPTV service FTW~~~
evocallaghan: powers down his AIX box
kuzetsa: o.O what you mean by IPTV service... kinda like on some fiber optic providers?
evocallaghan: Night all
evocallaghan: &
kuzetsa: hehe
kuzetsa: nini
kuzetsa: gross
kuzetsa: hides from Deanjo again
Deanjo: My TV is transmitted as a udp stream
kuzetsa: where can I get this? that's wonderful sounding
Deanjo: capture the steam and life is good. No encryption. no tuners. no transcoding
Deanjo: It's just offered in select areas
kuzetsa: aye... I have a lot of experience with raw mpeg2 transport streams
kuzetsa: kinda like clearqam on the cable or atsc over the air
kuzetsa: just capture and that's it
kuzetsa: I threw out my ATI combo tuner in favor of a dual-hybrid happauge tuner
kuzetsa: technically didn't throw it out, left it with my ex to figure out along with a system that had an ATI 200 something or other weirdo chipset motherboard and an ATI video card
kuzetsa: the past 3 years made me a bit grumpy with ATI
Deanjo: It works great here. But we have had fibre optics in the ground since the 70's
Deanjo: For a hick part of the world we kick ass in telecommunications
kuzetsa: that hardware was NOT what I expected with the F/s$ (frames per second per dollar) ... uhm... yeah... I got better with nvidia
Deanjo: Ya the problem with AIW and their tuners is that they are usually only good for the current OS's when it's released
Deanjo: Forget about using them in a updated OS
kuzetsa: similarly... intel's sse 4.1 seems to work beautifully for anything that asks for tht optimization
kuzetsa: has amd done a new sse?
Deanjo: no 4.1
kuzetsa: ah
Deanjo: they have SSE4a
kuzetsa: have any updates for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE4 ??? I'm wondering myself if the phoronix people
kuzetsa: oh okay ... not sure
kuzetsa: Deanjo: I'm quite impressed
kuzetsa: hands Deanjo a "redemable once, and with consent kuzetsa-smooch voucher" srsly... you creeped me out when I came in here lol
Deanjo: lol
kuzetsa: schmooz... wow
kuzetsa: well... I'm gonna go to bed with or without these goosebumps
Deanjo: I used to work for apple and program satellites so intelligence is second nature :P
Deanjo: *gathering intelligence
kuzetsa: gives Deanjo a polite bow, retires for the evening
kuzetsa: /emote &'s too
kuzetsa: crispy-cracks around trying to get up ... joint pain
kuzetsa: I'm still in my chair some reason
kuzetsa: re-&
Deanjo: giggles at anybody who thinks nexiuz is not CPU limited http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=deanjo-13433-5654-3490
kuzetsa: phenom is like the opteron yeah?
kuzetsa: supports AMD's hardware virtualization doesn't it?
kuzetsa: my q9450 supports intel's version
kuzetsa: if I got the xeon equiv, I couldn't afford the motherboard too
kuzetsa: oh heck it's past midnight in the timezone I'm in
kuzetsa: stupid jetlag
kuzetsa: re'nini
kuzetsa: nete even
Deanjo: AMD supported hardware virtualization way before intel did