Phoronix IRC Log: 2009-05-16
Kano: michaellarabel: if(is_file("/etc/sysconfig/selinux") && is_readable("/boot/grub/menu.lst"))
Kano: michaellarabel: why on earth to you want to parse menu.lst
Kano: parse: /proc/cmdline but NEVER menu.lst, grub.cfg or whatever
Kano: just saw that commit...
Kano: very bad idea
Kano: michaellarabel: first of all you can change boot options on the fly, also not necessaryly the menu.lst from that partition was used
michaellarabel: Deanjo: What is OpenSuSE 11.1 using instead of libcurl3
Deanjo: Warsow looks specifically for libcurl3
Deanjo: instead of being smart and just looking for libcurl and then following the symlink
Deanjo: symlinking libcurl3--->libcurl4 works too for warsow but I figured might was well build 3 just incase anything else uses it and might be fussy with a 4 symlink
Deanjo: Quick question, for the GMP bench are you using the distro's GMP or building it
Deanjo: Nevermind I see your downloading it
Deanjo: Hey michaellarabel howcome there is no link on the left for phorogit anymore on the main page?
Deanjo: wishes all the Canucks a happy 24 weekend
michaellarabel: Deanjo: There isn't
michaellarabel: oh hmm, you're right. I am not sure.
Deanjo: Bahh just noticed gmpbench is single threaded
michaellarabel: Right now I am working on hopefully pushing like three or four more tests into PTS
Deanjo: Ya I saw the commits
Deanjo: The FFTW3 one will be a nice one to get going on openCL
maligor: ACML probably has that
Deanjo: Cuda has had it for a while
michaellarabel: BTW, so first there was Phoronix... then various other Phoro* sites... then the Phoronix Test Suite... Then Phoromatic and PTS Linux Live. Any guesses of what's next?
Deanjo: PhoroWin7 :P
michaellarabel: Deanjo: Phorobeer... what an excellent idea, but no.
michaellarabel: Anyone with other guesses?
Deanjo: PhoroMac, PhoroCL?
michaellarabel: I have considered PhoroMac before, but nope.
d2kx: Phorodows, MyPhoro, Phorobook, Phorotube. I'm serious.
d2kx: Phorod2kx sounds catchy
michaellarabel: Actually, Phoronix Media will be owning a cooking gadget review site... Yes, really. Though no worries, I will not be writing it :) This is going out on a limb, but based upon some market research, there aren't many such sites targeting what we have in mind. And the demographics going to such site largely shouldn't be using AdBlock, so it will mostly be used to finance other Phoronix technology-related projects (pe
michaellarabel: rmitting it works out).
Deanjo: pictures michaellarabel on the front page of Phoropr0n and withdraws his suggestion
michaellarabel: What is Phorod2kx supposed to be? ha.
Deanjo: Don't know but sounds like a scam by the name :P
Kano: michaellarabel: did you get my message about /proc/cmdline ?
michaellarabel: Kano: Yes, changed in Git
Kano: i dont see the commit
michaellarabel: It was pushed into one of the other commits by accident
Kano: ok, found ti now
Kano: do you want to disable shaders in vdrift or do you have got a working fglrx driver for it
michaellarabel: Kano: I am expecting AMD to fix the vDrift problem within the next release or so, they are very aware of the problem
Kano: you did not write about 9-5 or did i miss the article
michaellarabel: As it is not officially released yet, I have not.
sjust1216: has anyone had any problem with k8 firmware bug
Kano: no article about 2.6.30-rc6
Kano: i have got already test kernels *g* even if they call themself -5, they are updated to rc6
Kano: i guess u does not update the kernels till late monday
michaellarabel: Kano: I am in middle of writing -rc6 news post.. Just been distracted by adding new test profiles all morning
Kano: running it already 4h
Kano: no huge problems so far for my systems, others had wifi issues with other 2.6.30 kernels, no idea if those are resolved
Kano: well i had to disable modules which are active on ubuntu kernels
sjust1216: does the 2.6.30-rc6 fix the problem with powernow-k8 bug
Kano: so i dont think i can run pur ubuntu kernels
Kano: sjust1216: never heart of a powernow bug
Kano: are you sure it is enabled in bios
sjust1216: [Firmware Bug] powernow-k8: Your BIOS does not provide ACPI _PSS objects in a way that Linux understands. Please report this to the Linux ACPI maintainers and complain to your bios vendor
sjust1216: that is what I get when I boot up ant then it just goes to the command line no gui
sjust1216: asus m2n-sli
sjust1216: I have checked for a new bios but no go
sjust1216: if I enable cool and quiet I just get a kernel panic
Kano: which bios version do you use currently
Kano: but there is 903
Kano: eyes shut or what
sjust1216: its not on asus web page as far as I can see but thanks for the link downloaded and going to try it
Kano: of course it is
Deanjo: Ya the us site is slow to update their files
Deanjo: prepares the system for the Phenom II 955 transplant :D
maligor: sends blue goblins to hijack the transplant shipment
Deanjo: has green suse lizards that eat blue goblins for breakfast
Deanjo: http://www.novell.com/company/logo/img/viral_samurai.png :D
Deanjo: You don't want to screw with samurai chameleons maligor
Deanjo: Kernel: Linux 188.8.131.52-0.1-default CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor@800.000 MHz CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor@800.000 MHz CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor@800.000 MHz CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor@800.000 MHz Mem/Use: 8180424 kB/7663628 kB XInfo: Screen #0: @ 1920x1200 pixels (524x321 millimeters) /24 bit Uptime: 0:02
redeeman: ffs why must all the moron motherboard manufacturers have so slow websites
redeeman: one would imagine they could spring for a hosting solution that costs more than $10
maligor: amd's support site is incredibly slow too :P
maligor: and the motherboard manufacturers might have sites hosted in asia
mattmatteh: redeeman, not only are they slow, the usually dont work
maligor: most of them being asian
mattmatteh: redeeman, i spent about 4 weeks researching my new computer, none of it was on the vendors website
mattmatteh: i think i tried, but all i got was advertiseing pages boasting some BS technology that doestnt work anyway
maligor: yeah, and noone wants to sell you a AMD AM3 board with EFI
Deanjo: Heh I take it that your on Asus's site redeeman ?
maligor: asus.com works fine for me these days
Deanjo: lol how did I kno
redeeman: asus.com didn't work, asus.com.tw did
mattmatteh: maligor, i wouldnt want to buy one either
mattmatteh: maligor, a board with openfirmware / coreboot
maligor: infact asus.com is incredibly fast these days
Deanjo: Ya I swear Asus hosts in the Philippines and use a 56k modem
mattmatteh: maligor, i have an asus board now. its junk
maligor: the old asus site which was on asus.com.tw (which is now taiwanese only) is slow as heck
maligor: mattmatteh, coreboot is maybe too much to ask for
mattmatteh: maligor, why ?
maligor: because it's opensource
mattmatteh: maligor, i thought thats what tyan boards use ?
Deanjo: They can use it
mattmatteh: maybe just compatible,
mattmatteh: not sure
mattmatteh: i was reading up on it a while ago
Deanjo: They don't by default
mattmatteh: might be wrong
maligor: they use ex-LinuxBIOS?
maligor: aka CoreBoot
mattmatteh: i think coreboot is the only way to go
Deanjo: Have you ever worked with coreboot mattmatteh ?
maligor: I'd try it instantly if one of my old unused boards supported it
maligor: ie, were actually listed
mattmatteh: Deanjo, no
Deanjo: Last time I tried coreboot alot of the stuff did not work on the board
Deanjo: and forget about alot of add-in cards
mattmatteh: Deanjo, i assume its still in dev
mattmatteh: Deanjo, i was interested in something that is open source, and openfirmware based
mattmatteh: Deanjo, this old crappy pc bios stuff has to go, sooooo outdated
mattmatteh: Deanjo, and doesnt really work anyway
Deanjo: Been working fine here for years
mattmatteh: my new gigiabyte board ( returned) and asus board lock up or crash in the bios
Deanjo: decades even :D
mattmatteh: Deanjo, the pc bios is just crappy
Deanjo: Why do you think it's the bios causing it?
mattmatteh: Deanjo, why wouldnt it ?
Deanjo: lol, because there is a shitload of other reasons for lockups and crashes
mattmatteh: Deanjo, could be, but the bios ?
Deanjo: Most modern OS's take over the BIOS functions after post
maligor: yeah, bios are slow as heck
mattmatteh: Deanjo, i would prefer something that is open, and openfirmware
mattmatteh: the ancient, crappy , pc bios degined to run dos needs to go
maligor: why constantly openfirmware?
maligor: it's not like the openfirmware usage was fun or anything
Deanjo: mattmatteh, you switch to a openfirmware based system and you break 75% of the works systems
maligor: practically nothing else uses forth
mattmatteh: maligor, it works on my mac.
maligor: linux probably works fine on openfirmware
Deanjo: of course it does
mattmatteh: and isnt openfirmware platform independent ?
maligor: as much as any bootloader
maligor: windows probably wouldn't understand it
Deanjo: 64-bit would
mattmatteh: windows is useless and irrelevant
mattmatteh: maligor, i was thinking for pci cards
Deanjo: irrelevant? lol for you maybe
maligor: most important stuff bootloaders (like PC BIOS) is setup the system
maligor: like memory timings and such
maligor: bootloaders do
mattmatteh: not claiming to be the expert on bios's..
mattmatteh: but my new computer still looks like something from 1980 when booting... really sad
mattmatteh: and navigating the 1980 looking bios, crashes
maligor: buy a ARM, they don't use BIOS
mattmatteh: i would prefer something that works, and is modern, and open. -> coreboot
mattmatteh: maligor, want to
mattmatteh: maligor, i look for that often
maligor: most embedded devices use really simple bootloaders
mattmatteh: like a desktop
mattmatteh: or mini desktop
Deanjo: mattmatteh, what mac do you have?
mattmatteh: Deanjo, ibook g4
maligor: I've hacked uboot and all it pretty much does is, is setup the cpu and memory
maligor: and ethernet and sata if it's needed
mattmatteh: maligor, is uboot similar to openfirmware ?
mattmatteh: i think i read about a while ago, but dont recall the details
maligor: actually I dunno
mattmatteh: well, i havent used it, so dont know much about it
maligor: I've never looked at openfirmware innards
maligor: uboot is really simple
mattmatteh: like i said, i would prefer something that works, simple, open, modern
mattmatteh: and the current crappy pc bios is none of those
maligor: uboot is geared towards a system that has static settings or the system itself can autodetect
maligor: there's no user options for adjusting memory timings or overlocking ect
maligor: it configures the system, and then has autoboot (predefined command sequence) or a simple command line
mattmatteh: maligor, sounds like something i would love
maligor: I suppose it's somewhat similar to openfirmware from the experience I've had with it
maligor: except openfirmware has forth
maligor: uboot's CLI is very simple, it can store variables and such but that's pretty much all it can do
mattmatteh: maligor, most of my complaint is that my mac looks sooo much nicer, works better then any PC
mattmatteh: i even get nice pretty looking fonts at boot
maligor: I have linux installed on my iboot g4
maligor: I can't stand mac osx
Deanjo: You know macs don't use openfirmware anymore mattmatteh ?
mattmatteh: none of this horrible huge fonts that are pixelated
mattmatteh: maligor, i mostly use gentoo on mine
maligor: huge fonts? pixelated?
maligor: oh.. you mean bios vga fonts?
mattmatteh: maligor, yes, the ugly 1980 look in the bios
mattmatteh: maligor, i get nice tiny fonts when this boots
maligor: that's rather linked to the whole driver issue I guess
maligor: vga is the least common denominator :P
maligor: it'll work.
mattmatteh: maligor, thats in openfirmware i think
maligor: apple doesn't have to worry about that
mattmatteh: maligor, i dont think vga works here
mattmatteh: maligor, i think its disabled in the kernel
Deanjo: You can get nice tiny fonts too on booting once frambuffer takes over
mattmatteh: maligor, i have to use open firmeware framebuffer
mattmatteh: Deanjo, i am talking before an OS is even loaded
mattmatteh: and while the OS is loading
mattmatteh: not after
mattmatteh: or during
Deanjo: thinks kde3 is like a fine wine, just gets better with age
maligor: things kde4 is like a good beer, it looses the bubbles
Azerthoth: thinks KDE4 is like good chili ... in the ends there is a lot of gas and hot air
rski: kde 4 jesus
rski: where did support for pre core2systems go?
rski: so fucking slow
Deanjo: KDE 4 runs fine on a 1700+ with 512 here
redeeman: rski: almost certainly your graphics
redeeman: Deanjo: btw, try resize the kde4 kickoff menu style thingie on nvidia
redeeman: tell me that isn't utterly brokenly slow
Deanjo: Works fine here
Azerthoth: fine here, a little jittery, but nothing big
redeeman: are you saying to me, that if you resize it, it goes 100% smooth?
redeeman: i would prefer not to call you a liar, and frankly, i would expect it to be possible for nvidia to fuck up in some major way
Deanjo: And that's on a 8200 IGP
redeeman: but on my 9800gtx+, it takes multiple seconds to redraw once it gets big
redeeman: whilst resizing
Deanjo: Arrrgh, michaellarabel stop trying to install crappy icedtea on my system with PTS
Deanjo: suse has a very good working official sun java packages
Deanjo: (unlike gentoo I hear)
redeeman: gentoo has the..... official java packages aswell
redeeman: and they work quite like..... the official java packages :P
redeeman: im not sure what magic trick exactly that suse would do to make it better
Deanjo: Ya apparently people can't get the 64-bit plugin to work
redeeman: i just use icedtea6
Deanjo: Ya too bad most secure sites reject it
Deanjo: unlike the official 64-bit sun plugin
redeeman: i haven't encountered one yet
redeeman: and if i do, i can only conclude they do not want me as a visitor to their thing
Deanjo: There are a lot of quirks that still do not function properly with icedtea
redeeman: if i see such a thing, i will evaluate it and find out whoms fault it is
redeeman: and if its not icedtea i will simply not use the thing
Deanjo: that's fine, that's your choice. I prefer to have a system that works everywhere
Deanjo: Almost no banks will work here with icedtea and same with all gov't sites that require secure logins
redeeman: my bank works with icedtea
Deanjo: not here
redeeman: i wonder what that says about your banks :P
Deanjo: and btw, it's not only suse that it works on. It's pretty much anything BUT gentoo
Azerthoth: interestingly enough, my bank and govt sites work just fine w/o any java at all
redeeman: Deanjo: are you telling me that on gentoo, the 64bit plugin does not work?
redeeman: on which java version?
Deanjo: on the official 64-bit 1.6 plugin
redeeman: which i get in which java version?
Deanjo: Java 6 Update 3
redeeman: it does not appear to be in the jdk 184.108.40.206
redeeman: i installed without nsplugin
redeeman: let me redo
Deanjo: no nsplugin needed
Deanjo: native 64-bit
redeeman: yes, aka netscape plugin?
redeeman: im not talking about wrapper here :P
Deanjo: ya the netscape one.
redeeman: that's an optional useflag on gentoo
redeeman: which i am getting now
redeeman: ahh, now it shows up in eselect
redeeman: it works fine for me, Deanjo
redeeman: i just switched to it
Deanjo: might want to make a howto for dragonlord then lol
redeeman: all i did was enable nsplugin on the package, thereby having the actual plugin installed, and then run: eselect java-nsplugin set 64bit sun-jdk-1.6
redeeman: and then fire up a firefox
redeeman: then run about:plugins to ensure its correct
redeeman: and then test a java applet-containing site
redeeman: and voila
Deanjo: Ya, kinda figured it was a PEBKAC issue
redeeman: you see, gentoo is nothing magic, one way or the other, it contains the same packages, typically with a few patches (which they get from fedora/upstream, or make themselves, and push upstream), and in the case of something like java, obviously its the exact same binaries as other distributions enjoy, and as such, it behaves pretty much the same
redeeman: there have however been, ~1.5-2 years ago, some minor issues with java for people that enabled libxcb in libx11
redeeman: which ofcourse gentoo couldnt fix as it didn't build the binaries
Deanjo: Ya I know, according to dragonlord though alot of people are having issues getting it going in gentoo.
redeeman: well... :)
Deanjo: You might want to post how you did it so Dargonlord can stop implying everybody is bullshitting him
Deanjo: had to tell a Novell dude to RTFM yesterday too :P
redeeman: i could post this conversation as a quote :P
Deanjo: Some dude from novell tried to bullshit his way by their shitty bugzilla setup
Deanjo: "Bugzilla can't move bugs up through release cycles and can't do more then one effected product"
Deanjo: I just about pissed my pants when he said that
Azerthoth: *translation* dealing with Novell ages you to the point of incontinance
Deanjo: lol nice
Deanjo: Na I just got him to login to my companies bugzilla and then asked him "Can you please help us fix this? Because ours seems to have a capability it shouldn't have. Think we were hacked?"
redeeman: ofcourse there is the possibility he has chosen to install some weird version combinations of software, and with weird useflag combinations, thereby making it not work
redeeman: however, i keep my machine sanely setup, so stuff tends to work for me :)
redeeman: (with the exception of pos nvidia)
Azerthoth: you did not just refer to yourself as sane? that just proves your nuts, cause no one who claims to be sane can understand how truly crazy that sounds
redeeman: i said i keep my machine sanely setup
redeeman: however, i am quite sane
Azerthoth: ah, good
Deanjo: Crazy people don't scare me Azerthoth, at least they are "committed"
redeeman: i hope the stupid isp can arse itself to connect my fiber next week :)
Azerthoth: I go with douglass adams on this one, the whole world in insane, if you need proof ... why are there directions on how to use on a box of toothpiks?
redeeman: well.. most people are utterly insane
Deanjo: Heh, it that any worse then seeing "Caution: Hot liquid inside" in a coffee cup?
Deanjo: Wow, this Phenom II dips below 1 V in it's lowest power state
Deanjo: michaellarabel, where the heck are the requires kept in PTS?
Deanjo: nevermind found it
laga: hey guys. i'm trying to upload my test results to phoronix, but it's just giving me a generic "upload failed" message. any hints?
laga: here's the full error message: "Results Failed To Upload."
laga: trying to use phoronix-test-suite login does not work either, it just says "Phoronix Global Account Not Found."
Deanjo: michaellarabel, the checksum on opstone-sp-athlon64 seems to be wrong
Deanjo: infact all the opstones are wrong
Deanjo: heh, I see why, http://www.bluesailsoftware.com/, the url has been parked
redeeman: lol parked
Deanjo: Someone did not renew their url lol
Deanjo: will grab it in 30 days and load up seacucumber pr0n onto it
Deanjo: redeeman, any idea why this is happening to Aradreth? http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=74656#post74656
redeeman: i would guess that's the compiler he has installed, allthough that's a tad weird
redeeman: you'd probably have to look at the insanely ugly autotools detection scripts
Deanjo: Ya, that's what I thought. Odd that it would detect a P3 on a 64-bit system