Phoronix IRC Log: 2009-05-08
mnemo: which PTS benchmark is closest to measuring "compiz performance"... I mean stuff like maximizing/minimizing windows and spinning the cube etc... ??
Ivanovic: mnemo: i think there is no real test for this
Ivanovic: though closest to "desktop performance" are the gtk benches
Ivanovic: (yes, they don't say too much about speed in qt apps, but give some numbers about 2d stuff)
mnemo: Ivanovic: aah that too bad.. it would be awesome to have some compiz "cube spinning" / "minimizing" / "maximizing" benchmark in PTS... it seems that the current intel perf regressions in ubuntu were missed partly because there is no good benchmark that targets the "general desktop experience" instead of 3D games etc
Ivanovic: the general experience is basically measurable by gtkperf
Kano: hi Deanjo ,how fast is your new hd?
Kano: faster than 115 mb/s?
maligor: what new hd?
Deanjo: about that
Kano: ok, then it is not faster
maligor: oh man, it's slightly faster than mine, better go buy a new one!
Deanjo: I just got fed up with seagate bullshit
maligor: WD now?
Deanjo: Ya the latest 7200.12 drives are horrid on sustained writes
maligor: it's to stop you from wasting your diskspace too fast!
Kano: SAMSUNG HD103UJ
Deanjo: and then there was the whole "we will break your firmware 4x" fiasco
Deanjo: and then the 2 x 1.5 giggers that did not even last one full pass to capacity and then back
Deanjo: Seagate's QC has gone down the shithole in the last 12 months
Deanjo: Would have gone Hitachi's but they didn't have the ones I wanted locally
maligor: the magicdust company
maligor: err.. pixiedust
Deanjo: heh, I love working with the susestudio devs. "I need a feature" "OK" "Done"
Kano: what feature?
Deanjo: Oh various features over the past such as uploading of a single rpm, integration with the OBS, partitioner dialog for live install, turning off recommends, uploading of profiles from a installed system, etc etc
Deanjo: The attitude there is so refreshing compared to other foss projects I've dealt with over the past.
michaellarabel: Deanjo: Is there an Xcode with newer than GCC 4.0 yet?
Deanjo: Dealing with them vs the opensuse crowd is a night and day difference
Deanjo: Not sure michaellarabel, haven't looked at it for a while
michaellarabel: Nevermind, I had checked, last update in November, so no.
Deanjo: maligor, http://susestudio.com/
Deanjo: I doubt you will see a major upgrade until 10.6 comes out
Kano: michaellarabel: did you seek for a gcc-4.2 binary? as it should have 4.2.2 as well
Kano: err 4.2.1 (at least wikipedia says it...)
michaellarabel: Kano: I'll look
michaellarabel: Kano: Ah yes, thanks. There is a gcc-4.2
Deanjo: 4.4 is available http://hpc.sourceforge.net/index.php
Kano: michaellarabel: there should be a g++4.2 then too
Kano: for CXX override
Deanjo: ponders trying the 180.37.05 nv drivers
Kano: those are old
Kano: i have em in my script as -vs for several days ;)
Deanjo: heh for the whole 3 days?
Kano: sure, most of the time somebody tells me about updates
Kano: my script is so generic, i can easyly update it
Deanjo: Ya, I knew about them as well. I've been just using the 185.18.08's
Kano: well you usually dont need opengl 3.1 support
Deanjo: Which I don't, more interested in the Cuda side of things
Kano: ah cuda
Deanjo: Ya, it could help out our dbase app greatly
Kano: i dont think so
Deanjo: ya actually it can
Kano: is the database so small that it fits into gpu memory?
Deanjo: Current system requirements for the server is 512 megs
Deanjo: Unlike may other solutions out there our trucking app (which does routing / dispatching / and financial basically all facets of the trucking industry) is all real-time.
Deanjo: Right now calculating some of the reports takes over 15 minutes for our bigger clients.
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: still no news post about kde 4.2.3?
Deanjo: lmao http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090506/1851344774.shtml
Milyardo: nice Deanjo
Deanjo: Someone should torrent the video as a "How to Cam properly"
mattmatteh: wonders whats up with tuxfusi*
Deanjo: hmmm, looks like XBMC is having a bit of server issues today
Deanjo: glares at Milyardo, pretty sure he has something to do with it
Kano: well i have got xbmc on my xbox
Kano: looks nice
Deanjo: Ya, it's my preferred playback app
Deanjo: XBMC+vdpau = bliss
Kano: just when you use some extensions those can lock up the system
Deanjo: which extensions? Haven't had it lock up on me
GNU\colossus: does XBMC work for DVB-S (digital satellite tv), too?
Deanjo: There is a branch that does GNU\colossus
Kano: Deanjo: i dont think you run it on a xbox with only 64 mb ram
Deanjo: Oh no,lol I don't Kano
maligor: yeah, the live tv stuff uses backends tho
Deanjo: I use the xboxes for webservers :D
maligor: I grabbed it yesterday but haven't tried to compile it yet
Kano: well usally i only need vdr
Kano: i just have got some issues with 1.7.7
Deanjo: Grab the svn instead of the 9.04 release. the 904 package has a visualization compile issue that has been fixed in the svn
Kano: my favorite vdr is still 1.5.2
Kano: but as thats older than lenny, i had to update to 1.6.0 at least
Deanjo: Now that it has dbus support, it's gonna make ktorrent so much easier to hook up too
Kano: this has now utf8 issues...
Kano: the older one you just forced to LANG=C and every epg worked correctly, now you have got bad epg
Kano: with wrong chars, well for us users this usually is not visable
Deanjo: can't wait until FTA digital comes to his local
maligor: FTA Digital?
Deanjo: Satellite here is rather sparse (unless you want a bunch of middle east channels and religious channels)
Kano: the dvb-t is crap here, i use dvb-c
maligor: ah, here you get lots of german channels
Kano: but much more interesting would be sat
Deanjo: Ya the digital roll out doesn't happen here until 2011 maligor
maligor: including lots of german porn channels
maligor: all in digital
Deanjo: EU is years ahead of NA in digital roll out
Deanjo: And all the cable providers scramble here
Kano: well some analog sat channels are still active, but terrestrical everything is digital now
Kano: cable has both
Deanjo: not here, the only digital unscrambled is the music stations
GNU\colossus: anyone of you operating a Linksys NSLU2?
Kano: Deanjo: did you ever look at alsa code, it is not that hard to find
Kano: when you know the codec you know at which file to look
Deanjo: I was thinking of one at one time GNU\colossus then I saw the 100mbit connection
maligor: you can get commercial iptv channels here too
Deanjo: Alsa code for what Kano?
Kano: "Sadly, the 8788 mixer still has all out levels marked as Master instead of what channels they are. "
GNU\colossus: well I bought one used for cheap $$$, and I'm looking for a minimlaist firmware that also provides gammu or gnokii or smsd or anything able to operate a serial GSM terminal in its repos
Kano: Deanjo: simple issues i directly fix
Kano: especially when there are already override options
Deanjo: no I haven't looked at the code
Kano: and you only have to use the right one it is not hard to create an override
Kano: i did that for several kanotix users already
Kano: now no override is needed anymore
Milyardo: wonders how Deanjo figured out that Milyardo sabotaged XBMC
Azerthoth: Milyardo the neat trick in the code you patched the left an ascii 'Milyardo was here' ... pretty much a dead give away
Deanjo: Yup, lol I was just about to say that
Deanjo: There is also the flash pop up of " Milyardo is the greatest" that gives it away too
Milyardo: I see you guys haven't run rot-13 on on the binary yet ^_^
Deanjo: it segfaults milobit
jack_spratt: can anyone tell me if am2 and am2+ are really backwards compatible?
Deanjo: Backwards as in?
Deanjo: An AM2+ processor can work in a AM2 board but some things will be operating at lower values and such things like individual core speed control will be lost
jack_spratt: Deanjo: as in will my 7750+ (am2+) work with my abit kn9 ultra (am2) (no available bios updates)?
Deanjo: It "might" work. It might be seen as an unknown processor though
Deanjo: Usually bios updates are required
jack_spratt: Deanjo: do you think its likely that will POST?
jack_spratt: they arent good odds
Deanjo: No they are not. The board itself can handle it, the bios on the other hand.....
jack_spratt: how about some custom bios
jack_spratt: maybe a hacked version by me, or if i could find one someone else had made...
Deanjo: Ya, if you can find one that has hacked in support it should work
Deanjo: Physically and electrically there is no reason for it not to work
jack_spratt: Deanjo: meh, this is pretty painful. I have the new cpu on my desk - open it, will likely not work and cant go back. dont open it and replace it with a 6000+ and i uncur the shipping and have to wait a week to pick it up at the sorting office. its a strange kind of torture
jack_spratt: thanks very much for you help :)
Deanjo: You can get a AM2+ board pretty cheap nowdays
jack_spratt: Deanjo, yes, maybe £50 for a reasonable one afaics
jack_spratt: I think ill open it, and if i have to get a new mobo, and wait till next month to afford it, then so be it I guess. Its a good CPU as far as I can tell
mattmatteh: thinks good bios's are hard to come by
Deanjo: Abit used to be king of the BIOS
Deanjo: Then ECS bought them....
mattmatteh: has high hopes for coreboot
Deanjo: NF7-S shall forever be a board that should be in the "computing hall of fame"
mattmatteh: Deanjo, antually, i am not a fan of any PC bios
Deanjo: Well the anti-bios rants for 99% of the people does not matter
mattmatteh: and i am still scared from the last gigabyte board and current asus board i have now. .... junk
mattmatteh: Deanjo, what do you mean by anti bios rants ?
Deanjo: Sure in a perfect world be would all be running EFI like current macs ..... :P
mattmatteh: no... coreboot && openfirmware
Deanjo: openfirmware..... like old macs....
Kano: did anybody get a usb stick with efi grub booting on mac
Deanjo: no idea
mattmatteh: i dont know the details of intel firmware, but seems that many are not interested. is that because they are dumb or is it not any good ?
mattmatteh: Deanjo, are you familiar with intel firmware ?
Kano: usb booting seems to be critical
Kano: they only have got bios emulation when you boot from hd or cd drive
Deanjo: it's good, just that without support of MS's mainstream OS's it wont grab hold mattmatteh
mattmatteh: Deanjo, apple is using it. i think thats enough
mattmatteh: Deanjo, but aside from what and what is not using it
Deanjo: Once 32-bit is dead it will catch on pretty quick I think
mattmatteh: Deanjo, do you think its any good ?
mattmatteh: i dont follow it
mattmatteh: and sure of the details
Deanjo: Ya I have no issues with it
mattmatteh: but did catch something where linus didnt like it or something
mattmatteh: Deanjo, once 32 is dead ? hahahaa doest x86 still boot in16 bit mode ?
Deanjo: wasn't aware it ever did
Deanjo: (pretaining to linux)
mattmatteh: i have always heard that it does
Deanjo: Last I tried to boot to Dos 6.22 on a modern proc it just looked at me funny
mattmatteh: i havent used dos in a long long long long time ( and trying to forget that horrible experience)
Deanjo: most chipsets now days don't support 16-bit at all
mattmatteh: didnt know that
mattmatteh: i thought x86 was all completely backward compatible.
Deanjo: Processor wise it is
Deanjo: chipset not so
mattmatteh: i see
Deanjo: 64-bit os's won't even run 16 bit code
mattmatteh: i knew that
mattmatteh: and how hard is it for 64 bit to run 32 bit ?
Deanjo: You eventually have to draw the line somewhere...
mattmatteh: i didnt think they could
mattmatteh: or difficult
Deanjo: 32-bit on 64 really easy
mattmatteh: i mean once in 64 mode, if that makes sense
Deanjo: when we are talking about x86 arch
Deanjo: In intel's itanium it was a real bitch though
Deanjo: pure emulation
Deanjo: and a slow one at that
Deanjo: Thus why IA-64 never caught on in mainstream
Deanjo: It's one of the few cases where MS bitch slapped intel into adopting a competitors solution
mattmatteh: i dont follow that completely
Deanjo: I see AMD caved in on intels AVX
mattmatteh: steps away for a bit