Kano: hi, is anybody using ext4 yet
Kano: michaellarabel: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.1/
monreal: Kano: I'm running Fedora11/Rawhide on my laptop on ext4
Kano: fedora usually uses lvm with boot partition
Kano: i am currently testing ext4 / without boot partition
redeeman: anyone that has a d945gclf?
redeeman: im having the slight issue that i cant seem to run memtest86
redeeman: grub says "item cannot fit in memory"
Deanjo: Try a shoehorn
Deanjo: redeeman, memtest86 or memtest86+
redeeman: i tried both
Deanjo: hmmm, you would think that mem controller would be supported by memtest by now
Deanjo: Have you tried with the bootable memtest cd?
Deanjo: Wouldn't be the first time grub bugged out. (Pardon the pun)
redeeman: not yet, i don't care about it that much, but ill do some time
Deanjo: What? you mean you don't run memtest daily? :P
Deanjo: Hey have you ever tried that MS mem test?
redeeman: no
Deanjo: Don't bother
Deanjo: lol
redeeman: lol you actually thought i would?
Deanjo: I did the other day just for shits and giggles using a known bad stick of ram
Deanjo: It of course says "Everything is great"
redeeman: naturally
redeeman: same quality as all m$ware
Deanjo: Well when it comes to ram testing memtest is actually the only one that I have found that sufficiently finds busted ram
Deanjo: pretty much all others are complete crap
Deanjo: You have much experience with webcams in linux redeeman ?
redeeman: very limited
Deanjo: ok, picked up a cheapo the other day and the image quality in linux is, well, crap. The video contains alot of noise.
Deanjo: In other OS X and Win it's fine. Not sure if this is a common issue or not with the webcams in linux (first webcam that I've actually bought)
tuxfusion: mhh in PTS removing test suites/benchmarks only by hand ?
Deanjo: Whats easier? right clicking and deleting or typing in a command such as ./phoronix-test-suite uninstall thistest?
tuxfusion: Deanjo, depends on the knowledge of the user of course, for instance some users think uninstall exists ...
Deanjo: Some users look for an exe too :D
tuxfusion: did you get that hint actually ?
Deanjo: Ya I got it, they could read the documentation too though
tuxfusion: nvm , damn etqw benchamrk fails to stiart adn i even have the retail version , will force taht data over maybe
Deanjo: It could easily be done, it's just not a real big "showstopper" by any means
tuxfusion: you sure ? cause man phoronix-test-suite doe not contain remove or uninstall methods
Deanjo: The documentation says where the packages are stored
maligor: mm.. what would be the best distro for testing drivers from git
Deanjo: lfs
maligor: no.
Deanjo: :D
maligor: I won't touch lfs again
Deanjo: do it
Deanjo: do it now
maligor: I might consider gentoo even
maligor: the spawn of the devil
Deanjo: Your probably better off with that or arch or something similar
redeeman: lol
Deanjo: Otherwise packaging dependencies can often through a wrench into plans
redeeman: gentoo is easier for it than arch
maligor: I just need something that ships latest versions of stuff instantly (ie, no version packaging control)
maligor: I think I did lfs during the libc5 to glibc transition or some other big library change time
Deanjo: Of course you can use a distro that does regular builds that are installable via net
maligor: or I could just continue using sid and just another install
Deanjo: I would have to agree though with redeeman gentoo would probably be the best route
maligor: I guess I might try that
evocallaghan: my god! the world is ending !
evocallaghan: hides under his door mat
mattmatteh: that was a long one
Azerthoth: yup, and I was on the wrong side of that one
Deanjo: Think I was in an alternate universe on that one
mattmatteh: i was all by myself
evocallaghan: wow
evocallaghan: that was like the all time most massive netsplit I have ever seen
evocallaghan: I missed you guys :'(
Deanjo: things Azerthoth had his hand in it
Deanjo: *thinks
evocallaghan: hehe
Azerthoth: muwhhahahahha, my evil plans are uncovered
evocallaghan: I was on my own in #auroraux as well :(
Deanjo: How many times do we have to tell you not to touch the Red button labeled "Do Not Touch" Azerthoth ?
Deanjo: It's only to be used on Dec 21/2012
Azerthoth: so using white out on the "not" doesnt change the function?
Deanjo: Unfortunately no
Deanjo: Painting it green doesn't help either
mattmatteh: to start press any key
Deanjo: It's alot like painting racing stripes on your computer case doesn't count as overclocking
Azerthoth: heh
Azerthoth: well, I'll go grab breakfast, so hopefully it will stay up until I come back and push the button again
Azerthoth: hey it stayed up ...
Azerthoth: goes to kick the power cable again
TheUni: michaellarabel: XBMC Babylon (9.04) released, if interested. Changelog: http://xbmc.org/trac/milestone/9.04
maligor: shiny
maligor: would be very nice if it supported dvb too :P
Deanjo: Oh damn, here goes another rebuild :P
TheUni: link page, btw: http://xbmc.org/blog/2009/05/06/xbmc-904-babylon-released-ready-for-download/
TheUni: maligor: ?
Deanjo: fsck I just built a package for the previous version yesterday
maligor: dvb as in: digital video broadcasting
TheUni: maligor: take a peek into the unified-pvr branch ;)
maligor: it works?
TheUni: it's under very heave development, no clue atm
Deanjo: Wow nice changelog
Deanjo: New Karaoke Features FTW :P
maligor: Terrorizing the Neighborhood Since 2009
maligor: "* DBus server" <- highly expressive change
Deanjo: DBus server, Support to use HTTP directory listing as media source, Bit-Perfect Audio Playback, Adjust framerate, Option to safely remove, Installed xsession for use in example with GDM and KDM for a XBMC-only session on Linux
maligor: I guess they mean dbus service
Deanjo: Now Boxee has to get off their ass and build against it :P
TheUni: i believe they were waiting for release
maligor: mm.. all these upnp servers suck.. totally
maligor: maybe I really should write my own
Deanjo: upnp sucks ass period
maligor: yes, I suppose it does
Deanjo: the whole concept is a huge security flaw
maligor: I mean upnp av tho
maligor: not gateway
Deanjo: Windows get rid of autorun and the rest of the world embraces uPNP
Deanjo: sigh
maligor: upnp av is a mess tho
maligor: and implementing it is like hitting your head with a large hammer repeatedly
maligor: it's just that I got one of those media streaming boxes
maligor: (free)
maligor: and now I'm attempting to get something to stream to it :P
Deanjo: thinks "If I had a dime for everytime I ran across a device that said it supports upnp and it doesn't do it well......"
maligor: heh, yes
maligor: I started writing one using libgupnp but the binding generator for it barfs at upnp av specs and I'm too lazy to write them manually
Deanjo: it isn't even really the protocol that sucks, it's the devices that have a shitty upnp implementation
maligor: including microsoft I guess
Deanjo: Ya pretty much everyone
michaellarabel: TheUni: Yes I am, thanks
Deanjo: Reminds me of the early days of USB
TheUni: michaellarabel: np.
Deanjo: hands a spec file to maligor. "I'm lazy, put the new depencencies for XBMC in there for me would ya?"
maligor: sounds redhattish
Deanjo: eww, nope. openSUSE :D
maligor: redhattish
TheUni: Deanjo: see readme.linux for deps
Deanjo: openSUSE doesn't have it's roots in redhat maligor
Deanjo: it's roots is slackware
maligor: but it still uses redhat package manager
Deanjo: Ya the think is TheUni the pricks only list Ubuntu deps
Deanjo: *the thing
TheUni: Deanjo: might want to check the last to touch that file ;)
maligor: oh wow, the binding tool works now
Deanjo: searches for the readme.linux location
TheUni: Deanjo: http://xbmc.org/trac/browser/branches/linuxport/XBMC/README.linux
Deanjo: So what are you getting at with "might want to check the last to touch that file ;)"
TheUni: nm, was thinking of a different file i guess
Deanjo: And why the hell don't they have a damn tar ball
Deanjo: grr
TheUni: Deanjo: grab a tarball from sf
TheUni: but the download page will be reworked soon to include one
Deanjo: At least a link would be nice, to tell you the truth I keep forgetting about sourceforge
TheUni: Deanjo: http://xbmc.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xbmc/tags/9.04_Babylon-linux-osx-win32/XBMC.tar.gz?view=tar
Deanjo: hidden enough?
Deanjo: lol
Deanjo: I wonder if they fixed their dbus-arch-deps.h issue yet
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: still no news about this one? http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.2.3.php
TheUni: Deanjo: what issue?
maligor: I guess I'll just try unified-pvr
Deanjo: Well it looks for it in libs instead of /usr/lib/ instead of /usr/lib64/
TheUni: maligor: be aware, very heavy development
TheUni: Deanjo: /usr/lib should be symlinked to /usr/lib64
maligor: Really? I didn't know! I better run away
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: I didn't receive a press announcement of that yet, but thanks
maligor: TheUni, I'll be surprised if it compiles out of the box
Ivanovic: looks like none of the other bigger sites have it listed so far, though it is available right at kde.org
Deanjo: Ummm, TheUni that would go against LSB
TheUni: Deanjo: that's what most distros do afiak
Deanjo: Nope, that's buntu thing
TheUni: Deanjo: must be a gentoo thing too
TheUni: and a debian thing as well
Deanjo: could be
Ivanovic: on my gentoo box /usr/lib is a symlink pointing to /usr/lib64
redeeman: mine too
Ivanovic: (and additionally, since my box is multilib, there also is /usr/lib32
redeeman: my box is no-multilib profile ;)
Deanjo: it's /usr/lib on other distro's Ivanovic
redeeman: yeah well i don't give much for lsb
Deanjo: lol you don't give much to anything ;D
Deanjo: LSB just follows the FHS
GNU\colossus: no-multilib ftw, suckers!
GNU\colossus: don't need no stinkin' 32bit crap at all
Deanjo: Lies!!!! We know you require it to run your pr0n.exe dialers in wine
GNU\colossus: sorry to disappoint, but I haven't got wine installed at all :(
Deanjo: Cedega luver...
Deanjo: :P
GNU\colossus: I don't emulate windows.
GNU\colossus: well, I don't "wrap and translate the win32 API"
GNU\colossus: or whatever someone taking the acronym serious would say ;)
Azerthoth: no-multilib translates to "hi, I enjoy shooting myself in the foot"
Deanjo: lol
GNU\colossus: no, it's actually "hi, I'm not dependant on all your BLOB crap"
Milyardo: indeed
Azerthoth: i.e. philosophy over functionality
Milyardo: symlinks /usr/lib to /usr/libNoBlobsHere
GNU\colossus: Azerthoth: no, my system isn't lacking any of the functionality I need
Milyardo: What functional about having multiple libs?
Azerthoth: drop a high end video card in and play a nice 3d game, then ask me that question
Deanjo: Stop trying to bring in reality into this Azerthoth
Deanjo: :D
Azerthoth: I know I know
Deanjo: You start with games and then all of a sudden you will be implying that people want to surf the net too
Deanjo: Crazy talk
Milyardo: indeed
Azerthoth: heaven forbid
Azerthoth: not the internet
Deanjo: Like damn, the net would crash if that happened
raevol: no more internets!
raevol: noooo!
Deanjo: More tragically no more pr0n
raevol: QQ
Deanjo: That would make 3/4's of California and Sweden unemployed
redeeman: Azerthoth: lol @ you
redeeman: how does no-multilib translate to that at all?
redeeman: and why would i need 32bit to play games using a highend 3d card?
Milyardo: Dunno, I was gonna asked, but then he scared me away wih reality
maligor: I'd love to try using two 2GB videocards
maligor: I'm still wondering what'll happen
Deanjo: Umm, probably because most of the games do not have 64-bit builds perhaps redeeman ?
Azerthoth: not much of a gamer are you? if you want to play a game that is worthy of the name, short of world of goo, you need wine
maligor: does it map all system memory above 4gb or not?
redeeman: Deanjo: that's irellevant
raevol: virtualbox is gonna change that
redeeman: Azerthoth: you are assuming that gamer equals crappy winblows games...
maligor: gallium will change all that! if someone writes a direct3d api ontop of it :P
redeeman: lol that will change nothing
Azerthoth: redeeman no, your thinking that there are viable linux games, barring a few ports from windows, there really arent
maligor: it'd definately make nvidia look bad if someone manages that, heh
raevol: hehehe
raevol: making nvidia look bad is fun
redeeman: Azerthoth: you are making wild statements about what is a "gamer" based on games you may like
Deanjo: raevol, virtualbox uses the wine code for d3d IIRC
redeeman: would I not be a gamer if all i played was tetris, but i played it alot?
raevol: yea
Azerthoth: redeeman pot kettle?
raevol: Deanjo: it doesn't work yet but it's close
Azerthoth: redeeman no
Milyardo: I play lots of Nexuiz
Deanjo: raevol, by that time wine will be capable of doing the same thing though
redeeman: Azerthoth: so basically, to be a gamer, one has to play crappy winblows games which sacrifises all gameplay for a few more shader effects crappily implemented in hlsl?
raevol: wine has been in progress how long? and virtualbox started d3d support when?
Azerthoth: gamer is a term that ultimatly is platform agnostic, the fact that you need to cross mulitple platforms necessitates the ability to do so
Deanjo: yes and who do you thing is developing those d3d libs raevol ?
Deanjo: it's not vb
raevol: oh, wait, would that be wine? come on dude
Azerthoth: so please drop the rheotoric
Azerthoth: also mame
maligor: all the virtual machines use wine d3d
redeeman: Azerthoth: you brought it on, you said that to be a gamer, one NEEDED winblows or wine
maligor: except microsoft :P
Deanjo: maligor, parallels and vmware don't
Azerthoth: redeeman I did indeed, your the one who blew it off as it did not meatch your world view
maligor: Deanjo, mm.. parallels does
maligor: dunno about vmware
redeeman: Azerthoth: your definition was incorrect, i corrected it
Azerthoth: ah yes, there is only one 'true' way
redeeman: you even contradicted yourself later
Azerthoth: really where?
Milyardo: last time I checked I didn't need wine to play Blood Frontier, nor was it 32bit
maligor: Deanjo, unless they suddenly decided to drop it and make their own
redeeman: "gamer is a term that ultimatly is platform agnostic"
Deanjo: Right my mistake maligor parallels does
Azerthoth: redeeman yup, which means that MS games are included, no contradiction
redeeman: Azerthoth: you must not have read what i wrote, or you must not have understood it
Azerthoth: being a gamer is not tied to linux, or windows, or xbox or mame
redeeman: haha, there you contradicted yourself again
Azerthoth: however being able cross from one to the next necessitates the ability to do so
Azerthoth: so no, no contradiction
Milyardo: I'm not sure if I understand the point you're getting at Azerthoth
redeeman: Milyardo: i don't think he does himself :P
Azerthoth: tying yourself to a specific OS is an artificial limitation
Azerthoth: requiring that all things run the way you think they should is hubris
Milyardo: I thought we were arguing the necessity if multilib support to play a 3D game on Linux
redeeman: you are just saying irellevant things to the conversation
maligor: Aros! Aros!
maligor: oh.. sorry.. AROS! AROS!
Deanjo: I agree Azerthoth, just like a movie nut is not tied to watching things on VHS
Azerthoth: redeeman thank you, now please get off of stallmans lap
redeeman: Azerthoth: seriously, reread what i wrote, you have not understood it
redeeman: i know i formulated myself correctly, because obviously Milyardo understood me
Milyardo: I'm lost :|
Azerthoth: that to be a gamer you need wine ... definitly, as well as mame, and a few others
redeeman: why is all that required?
redeeman: what if i only play tetris
redeeman: how is that not being a gamer?
redeeman: do i not game?
redeeman: or what if i played both breakout and tetris, and possibly some sort of space invaders
redeeman: would that be enough?
redeeman: what is the magical border to being a gamer, and not being a gamer?
Azerthoth: that is a game, but not as a gamer, those are pathetic time wasters
redeeman: lol
Deanjo: OK, seriously you know what Azerthoth is talking about when he uses the term gamer. He is talking about a hard core gamer not the casual gamer
redeeman: no, what about hardcore tetris gamers?
redeeman: playing 10 hours a day
redeeman: requiring that all things run the way you think they should is hubris
redeeman: Azerthoth: that would seem to be about YOU, not me
Azerthoth: indeed
Deanjo: Those are still considered casual games redeeman
redeeman: Deanjo: but people playing 8 hours/day counterstrike are hardcore?
Azerthoth: yup
redeeman: so basically, because you play one game over another, you are hardcore, even if you play it less?
Deanjo: and usually they are not limited to a handful of games
Milyardo: I think competativeness is necessary to be a hardcore gamer
Azerthoth: the class of game
Deanjo: tetris fan!=hardcore gamer
Milyardo: theres not much competition in Tetris
Milyardo: GNU Chess however..
redeeman: Milyardo: so how about pingpong twoplayer?
Azerthoth: gamer == mmpog
redeeman: lol
redeeman: Azerthoth: now who is making wild definition according to ones own worldview?
maligor: massively multiplayer pog?
Azerthoth: massivly multiplayer online game
Azerthoth: redeeman that is the accepted public definition
redeeman: and who says that's the requirement for being a gamer?
redeeman: no it snot
Azerthoth: not yours
redeeman: maybe it is for 14 year old cs lamers
redeeman: but that is not the "accepted public definition"
Azerthoth: again not your narrow view
redeeman: that is the "accepted prepubescent definition"
Azerthoth: I do believe your being argumentative just to be argumentative
GNU\colossus: there are ppl playing street fighter on the SNES all their lives, to meet up at huge scene events and smash their virtual avatars to crap. they are hardcore gamers.
redeeman: GNU\colossus: no!!! it's not mmpog!!!!!
redeeman: GNU\colossus: i demand you declassify them as hardcore gamers
GNU\colossus: OH MY BAD REDEEMAN!
redeeman: GNU\colossus: in the name of Azerthoth
Azerthoth: actually that is after a fashion
GNU\colossus: as you wish, master.
Deanjo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual_game
redeeman: GNU\colossus: oh don't bow for me, i am just the messenger of your one true god, Azerthoth
Azerthoth: groups of people gathering in one place to bash each other in competition
Azerthoth: only missing the internet
Azerthoth: so thank you GNU\colossus
GNU\colossus: huh? what for?
Azerthoth: figure it out
Milyardo: Well my operational definition of a Hardcore Gamer is someone who's devout sense of competitionn affects a change in their lifestyle, common examples of the lifestyle changes include making large expenditures on better equipment, devoting a large number of hours to the game, and frequent competition with other players
Milyardo: That applies equally to chess as it does to Counter-Strike to me
Erektium: fuck
Azerthoth: no, not my tupe
Deanjo: Wrong room for that Erektium
Azerthoth: type even
Erektium: hmm..
Erektium: usa leads finland in hockey
Deanjo: Meh, Canada is gonna take it anyways in the end
Erektium: I thin russia will win
Erektium: think*
Deanjo: Everybody else is battling for 2nd and 3rd place :D
GNU\colossus: by dropping nukes on the ice
Deanjo: "I went to a Linux IRC forum and a hockey debate broke out"
Milyardo: Hockey?
Milyardo: RED WINGS!!
Milyardo: RAWR
Deanjo: lol Go Leafs!
Milyardo: THats right
Milyardo: they run when they hear Red Wings
Deanjo: Face it Milyardo the Leafs could whip the Wings anyday ( on the golf course)
Erektium: yeah
Erektium: finland scores
michaellarabel: is http://www.phoronix.com/ loading
Deanjo: it is here
michaellarabel: yeah, restarted httpd
Deanjo: dammit why does the xbmc snap shot have the scripts not marked as executable
Deanjo: thinks more coding for today would require a beer run
Deanjo: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/renesas_now_shipping_tiny_1080pcapable_cell_phone_processor
Deanjo: ok, now really is 1080p & 5.1 surround sound really needed on a cell phone?
wirechief__: still uses land line
Deanjo: still uses tin cans and string
peppot: to be able to output to any possible device at 1080p is of course desirable
Deanjo: For what? For display on a 2" screen?
wirechief__: Deanjo i have a key for backup
Deanjo: Waste of storage capacity
wirechief__: it works, battery and gnd ...
wirechief__: cant get dsl so....
Deanjo: Hah, I still type in all my code upon booting
wirechief__: but it doesnt run pts very good.
Deanjo: Should submit a bug report about that wirechief__ :P
wirechief__: rolls over with laughter, falls on cat
wirechief__: well, gotta get my serious hat back on and go find some bugs...........
Deanjo: recalls openSUSE devs submitting a bugzilla report about not being able to make a meeting because of a landslide. It was marked valid.
wirechief__: Deanjo what distro are you currently using (just curious)
Deanjo: We do bugzilla reports as well @ work for the after hours fridge being out of beer too
Deanjo: openSUSE
wirechief__: cool, that was my first try at linux... 7.1
Deanjo: My first "in a can" distro was Corel Linux
wirechief__: hmm havent heard of that, must be retired
Deanjo: Ya it only made it up to Ver 1.1
wirechief__: wonders where all these former developers go
Deanjo: Shortlived, it's now called Xandros
wirechief__: ah..... cough
wirechief__: well actually i wish Xandros well even if they ate Linspire
Deanjo: It was a pretty nice linux for it's day
Deanjo: Even had wordperfect
wirechief__: cool
Deanjo: And probably the best filemanager at the time CFM
Deanjo: It really was one of the firsts too that made installation relatively painless
wirechief__: ive been using Kano's distro for last few years, he does a great job with scripts.
Deanjo: But since then Suse has been my mainstream
Deanjo: YaST kicks ass
wirechief__: i think Suse is ready to do another release.
Deanjo: Ya kano does a nice job
Azerthoth: Deanjo off your meds again?
Deanjo: Next release is in Nov wirechief__
wirechief__: Azerthoth: he is just relaxing...
wirechief__: pours Deanjo another beer
Deanjo: they went back to a 8 month schedule
Deanjo: 6 months is simply not enough time for a distro that big
wirechief__: right it is huge.
Azerthoth: Suse 9.1 was my first linux ... lasted 2 weeks before I was so disgusted with it I went to debian
Azerthoth: hated yast with a passion
Deanjo: Ya and it has a lot of exclusives like yast and sax
Deanjo: although more are attempting to port YaST to other distro's
wirechief__: i think i drifted away from with with Ubuntu 5.10
Deanjo: Ubuntu never did it for me
Deanjo: Not a gnome guy, not a fan of it's "tools"
wirechief__: Deanjo its really improved but still very crazy
Deanjo: Ya I still try out every new release. Still can't do things like install to a dmraid set
wirechief__: well kde4 is not makeing this camper all that excited
Deanjo: I'm still a die hard kde3
wirechief__: yes now that is a great piece of work
Deanjo: They should put 3.5.10 in a "linux hall of fame"
wirechief__: am not thrilled with the kde4 desktop ..
wirechief__: i think your right.
Deanjo: To me the gnome and now KDE4 look ,ummm, too cartoonish
Azerthoth: I have found it 'usable' not great but usable
Azerthoth: so I stick with fluzbox
Azerthoth: x
Deanjo: Heh, minimalists will always be minimalists
wirechief__: Azerthoth: me too, and when want to find things i drop back to gnome desktop, geeze i thought i would never say that.
wirechief__: Places works nice
Deanjo: thinks Azerthoth should install XPDE
wirechief__: Deanjo have you tried knoppix 6.01 with the Adrian ?
Deanjo: Not sure what was the last I tried Knoppix. I usually use it for tech work on fubared machines
wirechief__: well its pretty cool if you like different
Deanjo: Better then any "hd recovery" system that I have found :D
wirechief__: i have sd and usb with persistence and knoppix , i dont care for adrian, i prefer CLI and lxde desktop
Deanjo: Lately I've been spinning my own appliances with Susestudio
Deanjo: It makes it so damn easy
wirechief__: do you have a server Deanjo ?
Azerthoth: xpde ? lxde?
wirechief__: for these appliances ?
Deanjo: Yes a personal one and a bunch at work of course
wirechief__: ok
Deanjo: no xpde, google it Azerthoth :D
Azerthoth: will look
Deanjo: Ya appliances or just making cutting edge live DVD's or simply an updated openSUSE with all patches integrated
Azerthoth: Deanjo time for you to take your meds again
Azerthoth: yeesh
Deanjo: lol
Deanjo: Admit Azerthoth you love it ADMIT IT!!!!
wirechief__: hands Deanjo another beer
Azerthoth: neat project
Azerthoth: but ...
Deanjo: Ya it actually did look pretty nice but it's pretty much abandoned
Deanjo: It was a nice effort though
wirechief__: has to find some dinner bbl
wirechief__: bye
Deanjo: Now everybody wants Win7de :P
Deanjo: You try out the RC of win7 Azerthoth ?
Azerthoth: nope
Azerthoth: as much as I argued with redeemed, I truly have no use for windows as an OS
Azerthoth: I dont actively avoid it or hate it, just no real use for it
Deanjo: It's not bad, a heck of a lot better then Vista ever was
maligor: Plan! Make a crappy version and after that... a slightly better version!
Deanjo: Finally good enough to replace my XP64
redeeman: lol
Deanjo: It always takes MS 2 tries to get a OS right maligor :D
redeeman: that's incorrect
redeeman: they never have
Azerthoth: XP64 ... egads, I would trade that to windows 3.2
Azerthoth: 4.2
Azerthoth: errg
Azerthoth: 3.1 even
Deanjo: Never had an issue with XP64
Deanjo: Never even had a bluescreen with it
Azerthoth: I have xp64 on my desktop, I boot it every 2 or 3 months to make sure all the updates are in and virii scanner is updated
Azerthoth: its there just in case my wife wants to use that comp
Deanjo: Worked great for me since it came out. The only thing that wouldn't work for me was the force feedback on my old Logitech Wingman forcefeedback
Deanjo: Even my cheap ass TV Card works with it
Deanjo: (which by the way is the last MSI product I will ever buy)
Deanjo: Submitted the updated PCIid to v4l over a year ago and it's still not there.....
Deanjo: I swear those guys take 2 year vacations
Azerthoth: heh, I have media box I have been piecing together off and on for a year now
Azerthoth: one of these days I'll finish it
Deanjo: heh, sounds like my 69 Camaro
Azerthoth: oooh, trade you
Deanjo: love/hate relationship. I get pissed off, I walk away for a while rather then taking shortcuts restoring it
Deanjo: 69 Z-28 with the original 302
Azerthoth: I'm jealous, thats a dream car of mine
Azerthoth: cept I want the SS
Deanjo: I'd rather have one of the original 67's
Deanjo: I'd be a millionaire
Azerthoth: or a yenko
Deanjo: Hell ta
Deanjo: ya
Azerthoth: *drool*
Deanjo: ZL-1 nuff said
Deanjo: I think there are maybe less then 10 of those in original form
Azerthoth: hmm
Azerthoth: my other dream car is nearly as rare
Azerthoth: Vector
Deanjo: Last one I saw at the Bartle auction went for over 1/4 mill iirc
Deanjo: Oh ya
Deanjo: Nice car
Deanjo: Of course I wouldn't kick the Sledgehammer vette out of my garage wither
Azerthoth: nope
Deanjo: See the new Calloways?
Azerthoth: I spotted a 67/68 mustang sitting in a snowbank this winter in really rough shape, I'm half thinking about seeing what the guy wants for it
Azerthoth: nope
Deanjo: I saw a GT500 roll by work the other day.
Azerthoth: new one or old one?
Deanjo: Seriously thought about a carjack :P
Deanjo: old one
Azerthoth: *drools*
Deanjo: Nowdays I've forced to drive the beater :P http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c316/deanjo/?action=view¤t=my54.jpg
Azerthoth: heh, beater
Deanjo: I'd hate to see any modern vehicle come in contact with that thing
Deanjo: bloody tank
Azerthoth: 2 gallons to the mile?
Deanjo: Well if I drive like a civil person I can get 9
Deanjo: :D
Azerthoth: oop, time to help boy with lego's
Azerthoth: cya
Deanjo: 383 stroker with a paxton SC tends to gobble up the fuel
mattmatteh: wonders how cars and engines is related to linux
Deanjo: easy mattmatteh, saying you run linux doesn't get you laid, saying you drive a muscle car does :P
mattmatteh: unless i found a hot chick that likes linux ?
mattmatteh: which is even better than a fast car :P
Deanjo: Also alot rarer lol
Deanjo: Doesn't increase the chances :D
Deanjo: would like to inform people that those "linux chicks" wall papers are mostly photoshop jobs :P
Deanjo: Pretty sure GPL stipulates your giving up the rights to get laid by hot chicks
mattmatteh: ok, fine... killed a perfectly good thought
mattmatteh: :P
Deanjo: heh
Deanjo: Don't blame me, blame Stallman
mattmatteh: yeah... he is a chick magnet
Deanjo: Yup he attacts the hairy assed/pits hippies
mattmatteh: have you ever met him or attended his lectures/speeches ?
Deanjo: Yes and yes
Deanjo: total fruitcake
mattmatteh: same here
mattmatteh: uniq experience
Deanjo: lol that's the polite way of saying it
Deanjo: IMHO he is just waaaaay out there out of touch with reality so caught up in his political agendas that he totally ignores real life
mattmatteh: yes it is :P
mattmatteh: thats only part of it
mattmatteh: there is more that i wont say
Deanjo: Reminds me of a "born again" christian
mattmatteh: you just have to be there to experience it
Deanjo: Heh been there, I know exactly what your talking about
Deanjo: You say linux and he won't even look at you until you say GNU/Linux
Deanjo: That boy is seriously fsck'd up
mattmatteh: i was warned before hand about that
mattmatteh: didnt test it
Deanjo: I did
Deanjo: just to here if the rumors were true
Deanjo: just to see
michaellarabel: HD 4770 + -ati Git + Jaunty causes the system to reboot when starting X
michaellarabel: Ooo, NVIDIA ION system finally coming :D
wirechief: anyone know where i can get a red netbook ?
wirechief: maybe someone who advertise's on www.phoronix.com
wirechief: cant seem to find any links for netbook or small lappys
michaellarabel: wirechief: Doesn't Acer offer a red one? I think the Samsung NC20 is available in red too
mattmatteh: doesnt know what an ion system is
wirechief: hmm how could i like to that so www.phoronix.com would get credit for the buy
wirechief: its for the wife, but of course i would want it to be able to run linux too.
wirechief: dont know why they like red
michaellarabel: wirechief: Right now Phoronix.com isn't involved in any affiliate programs, so there really is no credit to be gained :( But thanks anyways.
wirechief: i will just have to wait for a ad to pop up i guess.
wirechief: michaellarabel: ok well i use the site a lot and wanted to contribute something if that could be done easily ;)
michaellarabel: wirechief: What you can do is contact the vendor of the netbook you purchase or the store and tell them you would like Linux reviews on the product, such as by Phoronix.
wirechief: if i went premium i wouldnt get the ads but i kinda like them ... ok i will do that.
wirechief: i will just google for the above mentioned ones.. thanks michaellarabel