Phoronix IRC Log: 2009-04-11
Kano: hi michaellarabel, render-bench has missing depends too, please test with a live image without lots of depends preinstalled. best mine ;)
Kano: 1 is not autoinstalled on debian, and one is just missing
Kano: ggears the same
Kano: michaellarabel: U is has strange presets, when U installs something with apt-get that does not mean that it only installed the Depends, but also the reommends
Kano: use --no-install-recommends option to test with ubuntu
Kano: or use my system
Kano: the first system definitly is debian, ubuntu special configs are not the default
michaellarabel: Kano: It's changed in Git
mether: michaellarabel: if you haven't seen it already http://lwn.net/Articles/328175/
Kano: michaellarabel: i c you added that package. but dont forget time for byte
Kano: time is not installed on debian
Kano: only on ubuntu because dash has no integrated time
Deanjo: Hmmm, interesting, Virtualbox + Fullscreen Flash + Windows = crash in windows
Deanjo: Doesn't happen in vmware
Kano: michaellarabel: no time package check yet?
michaellarabel: not yet
Deanjo: hmmm, has anybody come across a Gimp benchmarking script?
redeeman: Deanjo: i gotta say, it begins to look bleach that roland will be able to do anything
redeeman: he just asked me if the problem still exists in latest version
redeeman: which it ofc does
Deanjo: What is it exactly that's the issue redeeman
redeeman: the issue is that using 3d causes issues, basically it is
redeeman: if you do 3d
redeeman: suddenly it freezes up
redeeman: if you manage to switch out of X within 1-2 sec tops
redeeman: it will recover
redeeman: you just gotta kill whatever gl app runs
redeeman: before you switch into X
Deanjo: This is on what card?
redeeman: and lots more
redeeman: theres a 29 pages thread on it on nvnews forum
redeeman: and lots smaller threads
redeeman: the nvidia driver spews the NVRM: Xid messages
redeeman: such as:
redeeman: NVRM: Xid (0001:00): 13, 0003 00000000 00008297 000015e0 408835f0 0000000c
redeeman: NVRM: Xid (0001:00): 13, 0003 00000000 00008297 000015e0 408835f0 0000000c
redeeman: NVRM: Xid (0001:00): 6, PE0003
redeeman: NVRM: Xid (0001:00): 6, PE0003
redeeman: are the most common by far
redeeman: it also happens on other 8xxx cards
redeeman: now should you fail to switch out of X within those ~1-2 sec
redeeman: it just hardlocks
redeeman: and stops responding to EVERYTHING
redeeman: Deanjo: 9800gtx+ seems to enjoy the largest percentages of the problems
redeeman: with 8800gt being unaffected
redeeman: it seems
Deanjo: Is there any visible trend as to chipsets and xorg revisions?
redeeman: nope, i gathered all the data in hopes of finding some clue myself(i dont trust nvidia)
Kano: redeeman: now you can go to 250, still g92
redeeman: it spans cross distributions and all recent versions of X (down to xorg server 1.3)
redeeman: i've personally tried xorg server 1.3, 1.4 and 1.5
redeeman: i don't have data on older X versions
redeeman: Deanjo: all signs points to some interrupt handling issue
redeeman: Deanjo: some people report success with disabling smp, that does not however solve it for me
redeeman: but switching to MSI has made it harder to trigger
redeeman: Deanjo: but reading the reports on nvnews forum is somewhat difficult, many of the people reporting are having separate issues
Deanjo: I really wish I could replicate that, it's got me curious
redeeman: im not even convinced it's only 1 issue
redeeman: since only SOME are reporting corruption when it happens
redeeman: I do not have that
Deanjo: Ya that thread seems to be polluted with more then likely unrelated issues too making it harder to pin down.
redeeman: many are just experiencing compiz bugs
redeeman: however, it does happen with and without compositing manager at all
redeeman: the previous card i had in this box, was a quadro
redeeman: worked perfectly (stability wise, ofcourse there was some other nvidia issues there, like broken 1080p xv)
Deanjo: It does most definitely sound like a interrupt issue though, I agree with you on that
Deanjo: It's just odd that killing x and restarting it will catch it though
redeeman: you mean fix it?
redeeman: you don't even need to kill X
redeeman: just go out to a console
redeeman: and back
redeeman: just gotta make sure nothing GL is running before you go back, or it's very likely a complete lockup
redeeman: even breaks magic sysrq
redeeman: and im very very certain it's not my computer, or the actual instance of the 9800gtx+
redeeman: i tried swapping the 9800gtx+ 2 times
redeeman: plus i tested in other computers
redeeman: with same result
redeeman: with some G33 chipset, P35 and my (workstations, where i do almost all the testing) X48
redeeman: but others are reporting it on non-intel chipsets
redeeman: so i don't think that's 100% related, though intel may make it more likely?
Deanjo: The odd thing is just going by suse's mailing list there is next to nothing listed in there with issues on the nvidia cards other then the usual "How do I install" stuff
Deanjo: The only thing I can find in it is an issue "_kernel(default:lib) = 3da5922757d6e24e_" or "_kernel(trace:mm)
Deanjo: > >> = 67506958a8c60f3c_" which was resolved in a kernel update
Kano: michaellarabel: you could add an option that only writes the needed depends for the benchmark you want to run
Kano: that would make it easier to preinstall em
Kano: also a global configfile or so to config downloadcache/symlinks could be usefull
michaellarabel: Do I not have a list-dependencies option? I know I have a list-possible-dependencies or something
redeeman: Deanjo: probably because people don't seek help from suse to issues they have no control over?
Deanjo: Oh ya they do, lol you should see the ati threads
redeeman: yes well
redeeman: you won't find stuff on gentoo's mailinglists about this either
michaellarabel: Kano: By running phoronix-test-suite info you can see the dependencies
redeeman: despite the fact that quite a few gentoo users have these issues
Deanjo: Plagman is in the nvidia room this morning you might want to pester his ass redeeman
redeeman: do you think he don't already know?
Deanjo: It's just usually easier to get a 1 on 1 reply then posting in a forum I find usually
redeeman: yeah but don't you think he gets linux-bugs@ too?
Deanjo: more then likely, but if your waiting for a status update or anything like that history tells us that nv usually doesn't comment in the forums until the issue is resolved
Deanjo: they seem to be more "loose lipped" when chatting
Kano: you can check: cat /proc/interrupts
redeeman: Kano: i've checked :P
Deanjo: I'll fire off an email to Roland too see if I can get any info though redeeman
redeeman: Deanjo: well.. roland said there was no news
redeeman: i just cant believe it can be so hard for them to replicate
redeeman: it's nearly inconcievable
Deanjo: might be a bit more forthcoming with me being under NDA and such though
redeeman: i suspect that it's a hardware design/production issue
redeeman: and that it's going to be nearly impossible, if at all, to work around
redeeman: and that is why they haven't responded on it for many many months
Deanjo: out of curiosity redeeman the replacement cards you tried were they all the same brand?
redeeman: i tried 2 inno3d's, and one xfx
Deanjo: Did you notice the BIOS revs?
Kano: redeeman: well you have got a relatively rare problem, maybe that g92b is a bit critical
Deanjo: Ya, at work we have 50+ machines using the blobs and 8+ series cards and don't have those issues. Granted no GTX cards though
redeeman: Deanjo: i dare you to buy them :P
Deanjo: Next cards are GTX275's
redeeman: i was considering getting that too
redeeman: just to end this crap
redeeman: and then send the 9800gtx+ together with a bomb, to nvidia
redeeman: to have it scattered throughout nv hq
redeeman: if only there wasnt so much terror :(
redeeman: they really frown upon mailbombs these days
Kano: could try g200 or the next incarnation of g92 as 250
redeeman: hahaha theres no way in hell im getting 250
redeeman: however, i've not really seen people complain about the gtx 260/280
redeeman: so maybe 275 would be okay
Deanjo: The 8800GT/9800GT's have been solid here
redeeman: yes 8800gt works
Kano: the missing debian packages are what i want to see
Deanjo: wishes wine wouldn't freak out and crash on Suneido's data allocation routines.
Philosophaclese: I KNEW IT!
Philosophaclese: There is a Paradise beyond the physical world!
Philosophaclese: A Linux Gaming Engine, and a IRC room to boot.
Deanjo: Nope, it's just the matrix
Philosophaclese: No No
Philosophaclese: Matrix is.
Philosophaclese: Internet Supercedes the is.
Deanjo: There is no internet
Deanjo: We are all just running in a huge cache
Philosophaclese: Tis an "Assumed" Entity.
Philosophaclese: Just like money and reality.
Philosophaclese: Reality give a few more input streams.
Deanjo: knows the matrix runs on DOS 11.4
Deanjo: Bill was right, 640k was enough
Philosophaclese: are you sure it wasnt developed for the Deskmate Operating System, Developed for use by Tandy Inc.
Deanjo: Deskmate ruled
Deanjo: Especially in the rom form
Philosophaclese: I bought a Tandy 2000 about 15 years ago from radio shack, the deskmate/dos/windows 3.1 combo install
Philosophaclese: and the Wolfenstein 3D
Philosophaclese: that they displayed
Deanjo: Wasn't a 2000 then
Philosophaclese: made me drool
Deanjo: The 2000 was a i186 machine
Philosophaclese: My first tandy was the 2000
Philosophaclese: Turbo mode n all
Philosophaclese: went from like 12 mhz
Philosophaclese: to 20
Deanjo: That wasn't a 2000
Philosophaclese: or something along those low numbers
Philosophaclese: I assure you
Philosophaclese: it was the 2000
Philosophaclese: my 15 years may be -2 or 3
Philosophaclese: but it was definately the tandy 2000
Deanjo: I assure you with those specs it wasn't Wolf 3d never ran on a 2000
Philosophaclese: i used that comp all the way to master of orion
Deanjo: a 2500 maybe
Philosophaclese: You sir are being arrogant :P
Philosophaclese: Tis the matrix your arguing with
Philosophaclese: I bought a tandy 2000
Philosophaclese: from radio shack
Philosophaclese: and if the irs would send me the reciept
Philosophaclese: cuz i used it as a business expense that year
Philosophaclese: That's the only tandy comp i ever purchased
Deanjo: BTW the 2000 was introduced in 83
Philosophaclese: Someone knows thier googles
Deanjo: No I used to work for Tandy lol
Philosophaclese: How'd you manage to get a job in a garage?
redeeman: lol wtf Philosophaclese
redeeman: you deducted a 15 year old purchase last year?!
Philosophaclese: Yes Sir
Philosophaclese: Without Audit!
redeeman: are you nuts?
Philosophaclese: Call your local IRS agent
redeeman: how can that possibly be a business expensive?
redeeman: you're not a museum?
Philosophaclese: But arent we all walking museums?
Philosophaclese: Whatever happened to tandy
Philosophaclese: did they belly up or merge?
Deanjo: They sold the plants to AST
Deanjo: Intertan, a division of Tandy got into finacial trouble in Europe in the mid 90's
redeeman: oh crap, i have to clean up a little now, bbl
Philosophaclese: dont you wish your house came with Defrag
Deanjo: Plus the clones started hitting Tandy's marketshare badly
Deanjo: They could no longer maintain the 55% margins on the product so they got out of it
redeeman: noobs :)
Deanjo: Concentrated on their wire and antenna divisions which were much more profitable
Deanjo: lol, something tells me this guy cuda maybe over his head
Philosophaclese: the science of the sound of LAWL
Philosophaclese: LAWL is a 2nd Generation evolution of LOL
Philosophaclese: if you did not know.
Philosophaclese: Consider yourself Learned.
Philosophaclese: Hi, My name is johnny. I just recieved at 20,000 dollar IBM cluster server array. How do i install the dialup modem?
Philosophaclese: RE: Johnny's Problem
Philosophaclese: from: <---
Philosophaclese: Dear Johnny, Your challenges in the computer world always fall on keen ears here at Philosophy inc. Due to a crashing economy and low work volume we would be happy to install your dial up modem for you. Just ship to this address -----. We will be sure to send your server back in 6 to 8 weeks at no charge to you.
Deanjo: wonders why the hell a WWII Lancaster just flew overhead
Philosophaclese: The Address is located in Lagolos, Nigeria
Philosophaclese: and we will be happy to send a courier
Philosophaclese: due to the immense shipping cost
Philosophaclese: Our courier will be a white guy in a 91 honda civic
Philosophaclese: Im sure this is an actual occuring scam
Philosophaclese: anyone wanna share thier feelings on Ubuntu
Philosophaclese: Dean are you aware of any "deskmate emulators"
Deanjo: loves the sound of the Rolls Royce V12's
Philosophaclese: i would so love to relive 4 bit sound
Philosophaclese: Where are you?
Philosophaclese: Just noticed the lancaster comment
Philosophaclese: Xchat has spell check
Philosophaclese: or is that just linux
Philosophaclese: --- Jumped on the Linux bandwagon waaaay to late in the game
Philosophaclese: I was readin a site about Phoronix
Philosophaclese: and am curious is this an "alpha" project currently?
Deanjo: Saskatoon Canada
Philosophaclese: Everyone i meet online lately is from canada
Philosophaclese: The net is definatly a hoosier
Deanjo: Heh,part of our national plan for world domination. First the net then the rest
Philosophaclese: BLAME CANADA!
Deanjo: ... you burn down the whitehouse once and everybody keeps saying that....
Philosophaclese: It would be hilarious is canada made a "ninja" attempt on the us
Philosophaclese: and succeeded because of the surprise
Philosophaclese: Then the world would be like
Philosophaclese: the first is must be changed to an if
Philosophaclese: for that whole thing to make sense
Deanjo: Heh, wouldn't be all that hard to take the east coast. We would simply kill their power grid and throw them into chaos
Philosophaclese: China already has malware within our electrical grid
Philosophaclese: Capable of nasty outages
Philosophaclese: fuck me
Philosophaclese: im so being watched now
Philosophaclese: i told myself
WishMasterNND: Hi there, is it possible that there are problems with articles having more than one page at Phoronix? I can't see a way to get to the next page on such articles without actually changing the URL in my browser's address bar ...
Philosophaclese: no political talk on the net
Philosophaclese: Have you clicked on the link at the top called "ARTICLES"
Deanjo: Ya was reading that. I have an old Popular Mechanics from about 8 years ago that interviewed the US Airforces cyber team and he said something to the effect of "Give me 20 talented hackers, and with a week this country would be grinded to a halt"
Philosophaclese: Fox news every other week is talking about china's repeated cyberwarfare attempts
Philosophaclese: They've gone as far to say we are literally at "Virtual Cyber War" with them
Deanjo: Fox news reports bigfoot sightings on the same regular basis too :P
Philosophaclese: Hell ya
Philosophaclese: Did you see the guy that can summon "UFOs" at will
Deanjo: "Chinese Cyber Yeti Terrorist's Spotted in Miami..... more at 11:00"
Philosophaclese: From thier elite hacker base atop EVEREST
Philosophaclese: These elite cyber yetis grow to be 5 foot tall
Deanjo: Ya bitchin wifi up there
Philosophaclese: a whole foot taller than the average chinese man
Deanjo: Ya I saw that nut job that can summon UFO's
Philosophaclese: guy had a buddy with a high power navy spotlight
Philosophaclese: about a mile away
Philosophaclese: he was legit
Philosophaclese: either way
Philosophaclese: nice to meet you dean
Philosophaclese: or at least part of ya
Philosophaclese: see you around and i will be back
Philosophaclese: i hope this Engine has promise
Philosophaclese: im excited to see what becomes of linux in the next 10 years
Deanjo: Well, from what I see, linux's biggest pitfall is the politics
Deanjo: It would have been interesting if you could turn back the clock and see how things would have evolved under a less restrictive license
Deanjo: realizes his bash scripting skills have gone to crap over the last few years
doon: is back (gone 64:08:03)
maligor: is Open64 something new or old?-)
maligor: oh, it's old, I wonder why amd is advertising it on their page
mattmatteh: has no idea what open64 is
maligor: c/c++/fortran compiler
mattmatteh: just uses gcc
evocallaghan: maligor: try sun studio
Deanjo: .NET :P