Phoronix IRC Log: 2009-04-10
ziroday: Hi, I'm interested in building a media centre+NAS all rolled into one, being small and quiet :). Anybody want to recommend a case or anything else?
ziroday: I was thinking a 1TB drive, a PCI-E nvidia card (fairly new), a middle range intel c2d
ziroday: any thoughts?
Deanjo: For such an application I wouldn't go crazy on the CPU especially when using a nvidia video card that supports vdpau
Milyardo_: I just bought a case a few days ago for that purpose
Deanjo: I would go with the most energy efficient cpu and possibly underclock it
Milyardo_: I bought a mobo with an integrated Nivida chipset and that works just fine with vdpau as well
ziroday: yep, was reading the article on vdpau just now, unfortunately xbmc still has below rudimentary support for vdpau
ziroday: Milyardo_: which mobo, and case?
Milyardo_: Just one sec
Deanjo: ziroday, I've been using xbmc with vdpau for quite some time now
Deanjo: works fine
ziroday: Deanjo: awesome!, building from trunk?
ziroday: Milyardo_: thanks@
ziroday: Milyardo_: is it quiet?
Deanjo: probably the best implementation yet. Ya trunk or the new release that was just released
Deanjo: both work fine
ziroday: Deanjo: awesome
ziroday: well that has me a happy boy
Deanjo: I picked up a 8200 based board the other day to replace a crappy 690g board and couldn't be happier with the results
Milyardo_: I'm using MythTV right now
ziroday: Milyardo_: and that plays HD video just fine?
Milyardo_: Yeah the 8200 is a nice IGP
ziroday: Milyardo_: no hdmi out?
Milyardo_: There is an HDMI version of that board
Deanjo: ya they have hdmi outs on some
Milyardo_: I thought about that as well
Milyardo_: but the HDMI one was 20bucks more
ziroday: ah good, time to go hunt that down
Milyardo_: as for the HD video
Milyardo_: I played the 1080p version of Big Buck Bunny on it this morning
Milyardo_: and there was a few frames that were dropped
Milyardo_: but I don't know if thats because of the card
Deanjo: Heh, should try the killa sample
Milyardo_: or because of straming it over the network
ziroday: well most of my videos come from questionable sources anyway, so a few frames dropped is fine
Milyardo_: yeah it didn't bother me at all
Deanjo: The only drops I see is at the very beginning of a hd file (usually the first 6 or 7 frames
Milyardo_: That I haven't noticed
ziroday: Milyardo_: that board doesn't come with a cpu?
ziroday: wait nevermind I'm stupid
Milyardo_: I'm using some Sempron with that machine now
Deanjo: Well you don't notice it since the picture isn't up until it starts playing on the screen. The only reason I noticed it is from XBMC's stat screen
Milyardo_: model name: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor LE-1300
ziroday: Deanjo: what distro are you using with xbmc?
Milyardo_: I just installed Mythbuntu, and I guess it works
ziroday: now to find somewhere that actual sells all that I want
Milyardo_: I think I'd still prefer to set up a debain box though
ziroday: its so impossible to find microATX boards and cases here
Milyardo_: where is here ziroday
Deanjo: created a usb mini distro just for XBMC using susestudio
Deanjo: No HD's in the system
Deanjo: I just mount the NFS shares on the server
ziroday: Milyardo_: Singapore, and despite several huge buildings devoted to computer parts that would rival akhibara and super cheap parts they're all oversized cases, with ATX boards
ziroday: Deanjo: well the machine is going to be the media center and the NAS all in one, thanks to the 1TB drive
Milyardo_: Well mine has a disk, but it its only 30GB
Milyardo_: I NFS mount all mine as well
Deanjo: Ya, I understand, I just didn't see why I would add a HD if I have a server with 8 TB of space on it
Milyardo_: I didn't want a small USB stick sticking out of my HTPC for my daughter to take :P
Deanjo: I hard wired the USB stick to the header
Deanjo: Think I may replace it though with one of the new OCZ esata thumb drives though and hard wire it
ziroday: anyone know a newegg type place that ships international?
Milyardo_: Tigerdirect maybe?
ziroday: mmm, tiger always felt a bit dodgy to me'
Milyardo_: hehe I hate their site
ziroday: Milyardo_: reminds me of a harvey norman ad
ziroday: and nope they don't ship to SG
Deanjo: http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=NDk= <---- my case (except in black)
Deanjo: Tigerdirect scalps ya on exchange rates
Milyardo_: I almost bought that one
ziroday: Deanjo: I looked at that, damn nice. Tossed it up between one of them silverston cases as well
ziroday: Deanjo: does the LCD at the front work?
ziroday: Deanjo: you have a remote for it>
ziroday: Deanjo: which one? Was looking at a Logitech DiNovo Mini
Milyardo_: but the Apevia case macthed by desktop aestheticly and I figured the wife would appreciate that more
Deanjo: Thing about the silverstones is them damn little noisy ass fans they put in their cases
Milyardo_: I bought the Dinivo keyboard
Milyardo_: We have one at work
Milyardo_: and it was awesome
Milyardo_: so I had to buy it for my home machine
Deanjo: Ya, the Antec uses nice quiet 120mm fans
Milyardo_: indeed very quit
ziroday: Deanjo: aww, your case is discontinued :(
Milyardo_: Deanjo: You have a Tuner card?
Milyardo_: My wife wants one of those still
Deanjo: No, no HD services that are readily available here
Deanjo: The only way here to get HD is through the cable co's and they are all encrypted
ziroday: Milyardo_: transmission web interface+fast internet = happy wife
Deanjo: ziroday, I gave ya the wrong link here is my exact case http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=NzE4
ziroday: Deanjo: yeah, looking at it now. Still think the 430 looks better :)
ziroday: Deanjo: is that remove big enough
ziroday: err remote :)
Deanjo: It's big enough, I use a Harmony remote though
Deanjo: It's getting pretty bad when a computer has one remote for the tuner, another for the speakers, then another for media center.....
Deanjo: Who would have thought 10 years ago that a universal remote would be needed for a computer system
ziroday: ooh now I'm tempted. The http://tinyurl.com/cv9haa + http://tinyurl.com/dk7gp8 + http://tinyurl.com/2z67dv + http://tinyurl.com/ctaz7o looks far too nicer package
Deanjo: grrrr, @#$%@#% wine
ziroday: that and xbmc with vdpau+aeon stark+smooth video sitting ontop of a minimal ubuntu install would go very nicely
Milyardo_: I wouldn't spend that much on the HDD
ziroday: Milyardo_: I would rather get the two 2TB just in case, its the whole households backup server
ziroday: and its silent and fast
Deanjo: has reservations about those big HD's after killing a 1.5TB in a day
Milyardo_: If thats the case you need some redundantcy IMHO, I'd spend that money on 2 1.5TBs and put them in RAID 1
Milyardo_: I wouldn't trust one drive on not failing :|
ziroday: Milyardo_: not enough room in the case, I doubt the WD is likey to fail, haven't had a single hard drive fail on me yet
Deanjo: They all fail
ziroday: and wouldn't fakeraid/lvm be slow?
Deanjo: Luck has just been on your side
ziroday: Deanjo: things like that make me nervous :(
Milyardo_: ziroday: I use the motherboards raid controller
Deanjo: Yup, dmraid FTW :P
Milyardo_: * I would
ziroday: I haven't had the privilege of setting up a raid array yet, I doubt its easy
Deanjo: Depends on the distro, in opensuse it's auto detected
Milyardo_: buta RAID 1 array isn't hard
ziroday: Milyardo_: I don't know the numbers either
Deanjo: You need one of these ziroday http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/fusionio_and_hp_boast_huge_ssd_speeds :P
Deanjo: "8GB/s sustained throughput "
ziroday: Deanjo: I was considering one of the intel ssd's but they only go up to 128GB :(
Deanjo: I'm holding off on SSD's for a few years
ziroday: I had one in my eee, turned out to be a complete fail
Deanjo: capacity for one and the reliability has yet to be proven IMHO
Milyardo_: Same here, I don't need the speed
Milyardo_: the the potential for reliabilty is what interest me
Milyardo_: but like Deanjo, that hasn't been proven
ziroday: mmm, the whole limited writes thing seems a bit iffy
Deanjo: IBM the other day recommended against SSD's for that exact reason
Deanjo: for enterprise use anyways
Deanjo: can't wait for the 20th..... Phenom II 955
redeeman: wasnt it m$ that recommended against ssd?
Deanjo: It might have been redeeman
redeeman: just because their crapware cant handle it
redeeman: that report was kindof bogus
Deanjo: I just remember coming across it during one of my morning technews reads
redeeman: it basically said: "winblows users shouldnt bother, it wont really improve stuff much with such piece of shit software"
Milyardo_: \o/ Winblows
Deanjo: The article I was reading was about using it in data center environments so I'm not sure if it's the same article
redeeman: i don't recall any IBM thing
Milyardo_: So whats this Phenom II 995? what happened to the 950? is that still coming out?
Deanjo: 950 is not coming out
Deanjo: Yields are better then expected so they are bumping up what should have been a 950 to a 955 (3.2 Ghz vs 3.1)
Deanjo: wishes Milyardo_ would stop stealing his stapler
Milyardo_: I think I'm going to upgrade to a Phenom II at some point
Deanjo: Ya, I've been holding off until the AM3 BE versions came out
Milyardo_: I might do that too, depends on if I feel like getting a new motherboard or not though
Deanjo: No sense in buying another processor with only DDR2 support that can't be used in future AM3 boards
Deanjo: I'm in to hurry to upgrade my board but it's nice to have the option
Milyardo_: oh right the AM3 ones were going to backwards compatible right?
Milyardo_: with AM2+
Milyardo_: yeah, I'm definantly just going to wait then
Deanjo: and some AM2 boards (very small list though)
Deanjo: Then I'll migrate my 9850 into a build server
Milyardo_: I have the 9600
Milyardo_: and that would goto my server or HTPC :|
Deanjo: A bit of a power hungry processor for a HTPC don't you think?
Deanjo: Or is it a BE?
Deanjo: in which case you could underclock and reduce heat and power
Milyardo_: its the 95W version
Milyardo_: yeah 95W
Milyardo_: So its not that powerhungry
Milyardo_: I guess though the difference betwen the 95W Phenom and the 45W Sempron in there now is pretty signicant :P
Deanjo: Ya, especially when it's not gonna really gain you anything for the purpose
Deanjo: Of course yearly saving is probably around $10 difference in your yearly power bill
Deanjo: (if that)
Deanjo: heat would be more of my concern and the ability to run a passive heatsink
Milyardo_: The stock heatsink and fan should suffice I guess
Milyardo_: it could be smaller though
Milyardo_: I can put on of these in there lol
Deanjo: heh I've got a thermalright Extreme 120 on my 4200+ running passive
ziroday: Milyardo_: hey, that mobo has more then one sata port right?
Deanjo: Ya, all 8200 boards that I have seen have had at least 4 sata ports
ziroday: now to find one with a hdmi out
Deanjo: That particular MSI board has 6
ziroday: I must not be looking in the right places :(
ziroday: Deanjo: what does the openbox mean, second hand, refurbished?
Deanjo: Ya openbox is usually a return
Deanjo: That last one is ASUS M3N78-VM Micro ATX has 5 internal sata and one eSata (Same one I have now)
ziroday: http://tinyurl.com/cmvgtb has a nice list, any look particularly good (I'm no motherboard specialist)
Deanjo: I can only speak for the Asus M3N78-VM, which works perfectly fine for me
Deanjo: I've never had good luck with MSI, ECS or Biostar
ziroday: yeah, the ECS also has an unfriendly looking audio card
Deanjo: I usually don't use the onboard audio.
Deanjo: Although on the Asus I am using it for the HDMI
ziroday: how does HDMI actually work, is no audio out needed?
Deanjo: Ya HDMI can do video and audio
ziroday: and XBMC plays nice with all that?
Deanjo: XBMC will only play nice with what alsa supports
Deanjo: and alsa supports the HDMI fine on my board
Deanjo: If you don't have HDMI on your amp or use your tv for sound then you will simply use the spdif out
ziroday: right, well I'll end up using that anyway
ziroday: and hooking it up to the nice amp
ziroday: how come http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131318 is so much cheaper than http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131337 ?
Deanjo: The WS is a full size and is a workstation board
ziroday: oh woops missed that
Deanjo: more expansion is what it really boils down too
ziroday: microATX is what I want
Milyardo_: ziroday: That MSI board has 6 SATA ports
Kano: hi michaellarabel
michaellarabel: hi kano
Kano: could you add the time tool to depends too
Kano: and add both to the right tests
Kano: byte -> time
Kano: mysql -> ncurses
michaellarabel: In git MySQL should already have ncurses
Kano: i always get uptodate message with git pull... did you change something now?
michaellarabel: try now
Kano: ah now
Kano: mysql installs it now, good
Kano: how about a specviewperf10 suite with all single tests?
Kano: i dont think that flightgame is a good test in opengl workst
Kano: a workstation is no flight game ;)
Kano: but a specviewperf10-suite would be nice
michaellarabel: What do you mean for specviewperf10 suite?
Kano: well to test all, not only 1 test
michaellarabel: That's what batch-benchmark can be used for
Kano: btw. i think the benchmark not complete issue has something to do with the things you enter to save
Kano: try something like 1/1 , 2/2 or so
michaellarabel: so when you enter a forward slash it hangs?
Kano: i do not enter a slash
Kano: i mean name + uniq test name the same
Kano: you have to enter both when you save
michaellarabel: ohhh okay
michaellarabel: I just tried with encode-ogg test profile and it worked fine when they were the same
Kano: i often have got 100% load on one core then
Kano: where it should usually ask if i want to see it in browser
Kano: not always, but sometime
Kano: thats the "normal" drm repo
Kano: err wrong channel ;)
Kano: michaellarabel: please dont forget the time issue with byte, bye
evocallaghan: michaellarabel: Are you around ?
evocallaghan: I see, ok.
evocallaghan: you said your interested in all things Xorg.
evocallaghan: Small news, but AuroraUX has xcb support built into its Xorg now.
evocallaghan: Making it the *first* osol distro to have both the latest Xorg *and* XCB support.
evocallaghan: michaellarabel anything you would like to publish maybe
evocallaghan: michaellarabel also, what are we going to do about your test suit you wanted a solaris distro spun up with it inc.
evocallaghan: I can spin you a ISO like *now* if you got the SVR4 packages.