Phoronix IRC Log: 2009-03-27
peppot: hi. anyone have any inside info regarding if there's going to be a new release soon that will make fglrx not suck completely?
peppot: pardon the sarcasm, but...
peppot: I was a moron for buying a ati equipped laptop
redeeman: what chip?
peppot: on a desktop, I could have sold it and bought an nvidia card, but soldering off the ati from the mobo laptop isn't really viable :/
peppot: redeeman, radeon mobility hd 3470
peppot: is that 6xx?
redeeman: radeon has xv and 2d acceleration now
redeeman: but i believe no powersaving
peppot: I tried it, 2d performance is far worse than fglrx
redeeman: you tried the git branch with that?
redeeman: it's pretty new
peppot: and seriously, I want (read expect) opengl performance enough to run metacity with compositing!
peppot: redeeman, url?
peppot: I'm on xorg 1.6... would it involve recompiling more than drm and the ati driver?
redeeman: i don't have url, but i believe the 2d and xv stuff is in some git branch
redeeman: it would probably do that, yes
redeeman: no wait
redeeman: probably drm and ati driver is enough
redeeman: as for opengl
redeeman: well.. you'll get none yet
peppot: the bitch is that uninstalling fglrx is a bit of a pain
redeeman: just remove the files
redeeman: or remove entire X directories and reinstall those packages :P
peppot: well, it's not really... but it's not just a matter of changing xorg.conf
peppot: what I can't understand is why ati can't get their act together and make a proper fglrx driver?
redeeman: im afraid the answer will just make you weap for humanity
peppot: I mean, 2 years ago I wouldn't have been surprised...
peppot: but 2009. seriously.
redeeman: well.. you knew what state the drivers were in
peppot: not really.
peppot: I should have researched
redeeman: you should also be highly sceptical of any sort of information about working stuff on fglrx on phoronix
peppot: given the statements about releasing specs etc, I had imagined somehow that they were getting serious about linux support
redeeman: they are releasing documentation
redeeman: that is not the same as fixing their binary crap
peppot: I know
peppot: I mean... free 3d acceleraton will probably be a year away, at least, right?
redeeman: i don't think it'll take that long
peppot: so for a "modern desktop", I only have ati to fall back on
redeeman: but you won't get opengl 2/3 probably before
peppot: opengl 2/3?
redeeman: yes, opengl 2 and opengl 3
peppot: well, would I need it?
redeeman: if you want to use applications requiring it, yes
peppot: well. big mistake getting this pos hardware anyhow
peppot: I'm just a bit frustrated and bitter
peppot: I mean... visible window redraws... 2009! three god damn windows... no compositing
peppot: it's like I'm on a riva128 with 2mb ram
peppot: VESA was basically the same
peppot: anyone know where the free software driver repos are?
peppot: need to recompile kernel stuff'
peppot: no thanks
peppot: xf86-video-ati has some broken configure script
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: nice new logo
thansen: does anyone know what socket the mobile version of the i7 will have?
maligor: I wonder what's with the fglrx 9.3's, it's not like ridiculous known bugs have stopped them before
maligor: one of them even had a known bug that starting xterm might crash X
Kano: michaellarabel: is there a dl for 9.3 yet?
maligor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (NYSE: AMD) and Havok, the premier provider of interactive software for physics simulation and content development, are presenting new, optimized executions of Havok’s physics middleware on AMD platforms at the 2009 Game Developers Conference. The demonstrations include the first OpenCL supported execution of Havok Cloth™.
Kano: ah, thats ati, last month they changed name to 9.2, now it is 9-3 again...
maligor: obsfucation eh
maligor: Kano, can you give direct link
maligor: the amd website is melting
Kano: use my script with -v 9-3 option
Kano: till i update it
maligor: for them release notes
maligor: RedFlag Linux support! yay!
redeeman: i find it grotesk why they have so many difficulties with different distributions
redeeman: that stuff isn't hard for everyone else
maligor: With both DP and CRT connected, starting X-Server in big desktop mode may cause the DP display to go off and on, for every few seconds
maligor: amusing issue :P
maligor: I doubt too many people run that configuration tho
maligor: Kano, did they include anything interesting in it if you've downloaded it already?
Kano: maligor: bugs as usual ;)
Kano: did you ever try to watch a hd video with a 1280x536 res with xv
Kano: you will like it ;)
Kano: green bar below video
Kano: thats ati
maligor: never found anything at that resolution
maligor: are you sure it's not in the source material?
Kano: it is not in the free driver, nor with nvidia
Kano: only fglrx bug
maligor: it's not like they use overlays for video anymore
maligor: and that usually used blue
Kano: best encode a test video with that res
Kano: also it is flickering
Kano: not that extreme,but nvidia is better or xv from open driver
Kano: the 3450 card is really slow, so i do not play games with it
Kano: but videos...
redeeman: what did you expect from fglrx
Kano: btw. thats the url
Kano: michaellarabel: http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.1.18+
Kano: well without + ;)
peppot: anyone groking this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/286961 ?
peppot: I'm having trouble making fglrx work on my rt kernel, and that bug seems to have the key
peppot: bbl, trying changes in firegl_public.c
maligor: amdupdaterandrconfig <- mm.. what be this?
maligor: oh, just a script, heh
peppot: hm! fglrx on ubuntu 8.10 and video playback flickers like a monkey
peppot: OpenGL version string: 1.4 (2.1.8087 Release)
peppot: tried to set up xorg.conf according to http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=6794
peppot: and ran aticonfig --input=etc....
peppot: still video flickers like crazy
cxo: ok so 9.3 doesnt work, no surprise there
cxo: i cant understand why any fglrx driver wont work on my box
cxo: i'm guessing its some chipset issue that fglrx is sensitive to
Staz: Hi, is it possible to have two independent cubes on compiz fusion?
Staz: or just a different set of workspaces per monitor.
cxo: i think you can, isnt that the defualt?
Staz: cxo : The default is a giant cube that spans all monitors.
Staz: so you rotate the cube, the display on both monitors changes (very frustrating).
cxo: 1 big cube? spanned across the two screens?
cxo: or separate, identical cubes
Staz: cxo : Two cubes (one on each monitor) that can be rotated independently.
Staz: Each monitor has its own set of workspaces/
cxo: hmm ok, i guess compiz doesnt have that feature yet
Staz: yep :(
cxo: hey at least your shit works, i have a HD4870 in a fukin box cos of the catalyst drivers
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: short question about the ubuntu mid powerconsumption test
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: is this MID version only build with other compiler settings, is it a completely different kernel (with different options) or is it more related to less services running?
Ivanovic: would be nice to know since i try to get my laptop/tablet to an as low power consumption as possible, too
Ivanovic: the lowest i had so far is 8.5W when idle and without lan/wlan
Ivanovic: (yes, this is for a tablet with a core2duo and a 12" display)
Ivanovic: though my average consumption when surfing at uni with medium display brightness, wlan, input and whatnot is between 11 and 13W
Ivanovic: (and yeah, power consumption depends *a lot* on the kernel and the modules loaded, the module for usb1.1 really wastes energy, increases power consumption by about 1W)
billybigrigger_: can someone suggest a good test to run for an overclocking stress test?
billybigrigger_: also is there a place i can compare my test results?
billybigrigger_: like how do i know how well my system performs calculating 1 million digits in super pi? compared to other systems
billybigrigger_: anyone here using 1.8 and the new gui?