Phoronix IRC Log: 2009-03-10
superdump: i am an ffmpeg developer and i would like to suggest a couple of improvements to the ffmpeg release article
superdump: and also other articles that refer to ffmpeg in future
superdump: 1) FFmpeg is used by much more than just MPlayer
superdump: it is basically the core of open source multimedia
superdump: GStreamer (gst-ffmpeg), xine, VLC all use it
superdump: 2) FFmpeg and MPlayer are separate projects
superdump: while we share some developers and the server, they are separate
superdump: michaellarabel: ^
superdump: as such, we would prefer if you reported on MPlayer and FFmpeg separately
superdump: but thank you for posting the news article
superdump: i personally read phoronix regularly (RSS)
Kano: hi michaellarabel , did you look at the pts issues?
Kano: because git does not update at all...
michaellarabel: ASRock SuperComputer X58 + Core i7 isn't liking Linux
Kano: whats the problem?
Kano: the ich10r could not be a problem, thats old
michaellarabel: appears to be the disk controller. Ubuntu falls back to BusyBox on both 8.10 and 9.04 daily. Fedora 10 and Fedora 11 both fail to find disk controller regardless of whether using SATA compatibility mode or AHCI
Kano: did you try kanotix from usb stick
Kano: usb does not need sata to boot logically ;)
superdump: hello michaellarabel, did you see my comments above? :)
michaellarabel: superdump: See it now. Thanks for comments. Yes I know FFmpeg is used by more than just MPlayer, but I mentioned it since it's just commonly associated with it, but I can refrain from mentioning the two in the future.
superdump: ok, thanks :)
superdump: just the difference between FFmpeg/MPlayer, ... and FFmpeg, MPlayer, ... is all i was looking for really
superdump: i understand what you're saying though
superdump: is going to be a buying a Core i7 machine soon
superdump: i'm intending to stick debian on it though
superdump: i think i'll add this channel to my autojoin :)
michaellarabel: superdump: Would you or any other FFmpeg developers be interested in an interview at Phoronix? About the current release, plans, thoughts on Linux multimedia, etc ?
superdump: that might be interesting
superdump: we could probably do something in #ffmpeg-devel
superdump: i'll have a chat with some of the other people around and get back to you
superdump: thanks for the offer :)
superdump: michaellarabel: what is your position with phoronix? site editor?
michaellarabel: Founder & Executive Editor
superdump: ok, thanks :)
Kano: michaellarabel: did you try that usb variant?
michaellarabel: I am trying Ubuntu on USB right now
Kano: they dont know what hybrid iso is ;)
superdump: michaellarabel: also, i don't necessarily mean refrain from mentioning the two projects together, because they are indeed linked, but FFmpeg is linked with many other projects too, so i think it deserves more credit that being an underling of MPlayer
michaellarabel: superdump: Sure thing
superdump: and if mentioning FFmpeg and MPlayer, in my mind i think - why not also VLC, xine, GStreamer
superdump: or not MPlayer at all
superdump: but i'll leave that to you :)
michaellarabel: Kano: USB works but no network or disk
Kano: not even network
Kano: i had to use 2.6.28 for my latest asrock board
michaellarabel: 2.6.28 is what I am using
superdump: not having working network is one of the worst things on any computer imo
Kano: michaellarabel: store: lspci -vnn, dmesg, and upload it somewhere
Kano: will take a look then
Kano: do you think it would work with 2.6.29?
Kano: i think there was a ppa for it...
Kano: didnt you write about that
superdump: michaellarabel: actually, i think i'd prefer if you listed MPlayer as well as other prominent FOSS multimedia projects
Kano: i hate ubuntu...
Kano: they always add those crappy depends
Kano: i have to patch em out always
superdump: http://ffmpeg.org/projects.html may give some ideas
superdump: we had a bit of a WM/DE discussion in the ffmpeg channel earlier
superdump: someone was complaining about GTK apps in debian pulling in a bunch of gnome stuff even though they didn't want it
Kano: well you would need aufs+sqashfs externally for 2.6.29 too
superdump: but there's not really too much one can do about that without offering multiple package 'flavours' on a binary distro
Kano: michaellarabel: i would like to use the i7 to compile the needed kernel for it ;)
michaellarabel: I managed to get the HDD detected and working with Ubiquity, but now Ubiquity is running into a problem
Kano: what did you do to get the hd detected?
Kano: can you upload what i wanted to see?
michaellarabel: Tried USB when using in AHCI mode instead of SATA compatibility
Kano: ahci is usually better
Kano: but beware, the latest ubuntu kernel is using hpa
Kano: therefore i wanted to see dmesg
Kano: dmesg|grep HPA
Kano: do you have got output with that?
michaellarabel: not yet, I keep rebooting too much when trying to get this to work
Kano: well thats what to check first
Kano: HPA mode of a hd
Kano: the problem is, some bios store backups at the end of the hd
Kano: then register it as hpa
michaellarabel: Trying Ubuntu 8.10 on USB
Kano: really old
evocallaghan: michaellarabel: Hi
michaellarabel: Hi evocallaghan
evocallaghan: Have you got the latest BIOS ?
michaellarabel: For the ASRock board? Yes.
evocallaghan: Have you tried a BSD ?
evocallaghan: or Solaris
michaellarabel: I tried PC-BSD 7.1 Beta
evocallaghan: PC-BSD installs very quickly
evocallaghan: result ?
michaellarabel: no disk detection
evocallaghan: solaris snv_109 ?
evocallaghan: Is this a Intel controller ?
evocallaghan: Wonder how your go with solaris
evocallaghan: If you have problems with solaris I can help you a *lot* more
michaellarabel: I was going to try the OpenSolaris 2009.06 108 spin
michaellarabel: might as well give it a go, one second
evocallaghan: Oh, AuroraUX snv_109 spin is out soon
evocallaghan: that means the first opensolaris distro out side of Sun to have the new Xorg
Kano: most easy thing would be doing a usb hd install then update kernel
Kano: you do not even need to do that install on the system
michaellarabel: evocallaghan: Is the OpenSolaris login not jack : opensolaris anymore?
evocallaghan: jack / jack
evocallaghan: maybe ?
evocallaghan: We have our own distro, thus I am not sure
evocallaghan: anything in the release notes or faq ?
michaellarabel: evocallaghan: How easy are the tools these days to spin your own OpenSolaris distribution? I know they were working on some nice tools before.
michaellarabel: (Yep, jack jack worked
evocallaghan: No idea, we are innovating new technologies like replacing the solaris dhcp stack, new drivers, and a totally new package management *solution* which can handle deployments etc..
evocallaghan: Not simply making a 'distro' with a different colour version of gnome ;)
michaellarabel: Well I've been thinking just about an OpenSolaris spin designed for benchmarking with the Phoronix Test Suite
evocallaghan: Oh I see
evocallaghan: We could talk more I guess..
evocallaghan: If you would be so kind as too hang around in #auroraux I am sure we can work something out
evocallaghan: We *really* need dev time
evocallaghan: So any kind of advacting of the project is much needed
superdump: michaellarabel: http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/?k=downloads <--- i think the markup at the bottom of the page for the OS X section is wrong (misplaced ?) and it's called XCode not Xtools :)
michaellarabel: evocallaghan: is gui-install broken in build 108 do you know?
evocallaghan: No idea
evocallaghan: Don't think so
evocallaghan: I you like to find disks
evocallaghan: pfexec su -
evocallaghan: format < /dev/null
evocallaghan: See if disks are there ?
michaellarabel: Yes there is one disk
evocallaghan: Could I see the output of
Kano: do you get online with solaris?
michaellarabel: Kano: Not sure, this release seems buggy so trying out 2008.11
evocallaghan: michaellarabel: Umm, I pick the new release as Intel commited new code in the kernel
Kano: well putting an extra pci nic in the box is not that hard ;)
evocallaghan: I can guide you on the console
michaellarabel: wow, OpenSolaris 2008.11 detects the disk. But no network.
evocallaghan: OK, what's the output of /usr/X11/bin/scanpci
evocallaghan: I would like to know the NIC
michaellarabel: "No PCI devices found"
evocallaghan: Ah do it as root role
evocallaghan: pfexec /usr/X11/bin/scanpci
evocallaghan: Hows that
michaellarabel: hmmm, I don't see the NIC listed.
evocallaghan: http://rafb.net/paste/ paste me the output please :)
evocallaghan: michaellarabel: Any you get the output ?
superdump: michaellarabel: if i can round up a couple of people to do an interview, it will probably be sometime this evening european time
raevol: why are hardware vendors so opposed to open sourcing their drivers?
maligor: Tradesecrets, licensed code, capitalism
maligor: They consider it their 'property'
maligor: not to mention some secrets in the drivers would allow people to subvert DRM schemes
raevol: are they afraid someone is going to use the code to start manufacturing their devices cheaper than they can?
maligor: no, I doubt that's the case
maligor: this is separate from what AMD is doing ofcourse, they just release register specifications and sample code
raevol: if their drivers were open, wouldn't it be more likely that their hardware would be compatible, and thus more appealing for end users?
raevol: yea i wish AMD would actually help FOSS with the -ati driver, and just stop developing fglrx
raevol: but me QQing won't change anything
maligor: 3d driver developement is tricky
maligor: it's a step harder than pretty much any else driver development
maligor: err.. other
Ivanovic: raevol: uhm, the *DO* help with the FOSS driver
raevol: i can imagine, in the meantime ... ugh
raevol: how much?
Ivanovic: they got two coders in house working on the 3d code
Ivanovic: plus bridgeman mainly focused on documentation stuff
maligor: fglrx has other interest areas
maligor: notably in workstation use
raevol: well that's cool that they are helping with the coding, i really appreciate that
Ivanovic: beside this: the main problem they see with "completely opening" the own driver is a) that they are sued because they use some obscure patent not being aware of it
maligor: there's a secret bit in workstation cards that make them faster with workstation apps
Ivanovic: b) don't have the permission from those they have a "license" of for doing some stuff
maligor: c) it's not in their interest to do so
raevol: bleh software patents
Ivanovic: c) are afraid of hollywood and the "security by obscurity" approach their drm has
raevol: bleh bleh bleh
maligor: I think AMD's solution is fantastic
Ivanovic: that they would get a "serious problem" from their side due to strange contracts
Ivanovic: maligor: in fact the solution is really fine
maligor: since it also allows alternative os driver development for the new hw
Ivanovic: develop a driver that satisfies the workstation users and also help the open source community with the open driver by providing most specs (possible)
maligor: 'alternative' to linux, windows & macosx
maligor: like aros and syllable
maligor: theoretically anyway, dunno if anyone is actually writing them :P
raevol: well i am still glad i bought an ATI card, even though 3d accel for the open driver is not ready
raevol: i'll just have to cross my fingers and wait
maligor: I think amd has mentioned that they'd release some of their propetiary code stuff for older cards at some point tho
Ivanovic: eventually it will be available, it just needs time and "resources" (as in devs with the knowledge and time to work on it)
raevol: gotta run
maligor: maybe it'd include r500 too since that's being dropped also
Ivanovic: where xorg development lacks simply because many think of xorg as "not too sexy"
maligor: xorg is like the disfigured work horse :P