Phoronix IRC Log: 2009-02-25
bkero: Yay, xf86-video-intel-2.6.2 is out :D
Kano: hi michaellarabel , dont you think it is time for alpha 2?
michaellarabel: Kano: March 3rd I intend to tag it
Kano: a bit late
michaellarabel: It's been just a little more than a week since Alpha 1
Kano: well but next week is cebit
michaellarabel: True, but I won't be at CeBit
Kano: will not be there to create a live image then ;)
Kano: tag it this week
michaellarabel: hmmm maybe
Kano: also please create a live benchmark suite that runs full out of ram with 2 gb
michaellarabel: Yes, that's on my TODO list
Kano: as ramdisk is usually 50% only.. do not waste space
Kano: we could use download cache with symlinking
Kano: 3d drivers will be installable, no problem
michaellarabel: Well with the OpenGL benchmarks, size will be an issue
Kano: or we need installed tests external + overlay
Kano: instead of dl cache
Kano: after test run the test must clean itself completely
Kano: like delete complilation results
Kano: but compile benchmarks are waste of time usually
Kano: 3d benchmarks are cool
Kano: or reuse system wide installed games
michaellarabel: Kano: I might tag Alpha 2 today
Kano: good, will add it to my repo then
Kano: how about some patches that would use external nexuiz or so
Kano: like i did already for the first pts iso
Kano: nexuiz debian is same ver, you could check if both are equally fast
Kano: which only depends on build options
Kano: i mean compare lenny vs. download
Kano: when you only use a few symlink size is no problem
michaellarabel: Trying out the PTS GUI on OS X now
Deanjo|work: michaellarabel: there were updated legacy nvidia drivers posted last night as well 180.35, 173.14.17, and 96.43.11
michaellarabel: Deanjo|work: Anything special in the legacy updates?
Deanjo|work: kernel compatibility IIRC
Deanjo|work: Improved compatibility with recent Linux kernels. Fixed a bug that could trigger kernel BUG() failures when stress testing setup/teardown paths.
Kano: michaellarabel: best you would create 2 packages, one with gui in the name with the correct depend
Kano: do you do your packageing yourself für the ubuntu universe repo?
michaellarabel: Kano: No
Kano: then tell the maintainer to do so
Kano: would be more easy to install,dont you think
michaellarabel: There is no php_gtk package yet though for Ubuntu
Kano: well i could modify that packge too that the module would be autoloaded
Kano: btw. kanotix has it ;)
Kano: i will not base on ubuntu, only ubuntu kenrel
Kano: i dislike only 1000 packges with full support and rest mainly unsupported
Kano: and the supported ones are basically the preselection. which is a bad one....
Kano: michaellarabel: the gui package should have got a link which starts the gui, if needed inside a terminal
michaellarabel: Kano: I am not sure whether the GUI should be in a separate package
Kano: think logical
Kano: it works without that php package
Kano: but you can not start it really without a terminal
Kano: so a desktop link would be useless
michaellarabel: But when there is a php-gtk package in Ubuntu, it can just be added as a dependency
Kano: if you are able to start it, then you need that package and then you want a menu/desktop link
michaellarabel: I am not denying the link part of it
Kano: do you want a not working menu entry?
michaellarabel: I am just talking about having a pts and pts-gui package
Kano: well the gui package would contain the menu link
Kano: + depends
michaellarabel: there's only one new dependency
Kano: sure but do you want a desktop link which does not work?
michaellarabel: No, but once php-gtk is in Ubuntu, it can be added to the main package as a dependency
Kano: do you think it is complicated to create 2 packages out of one source package?
Kano: dont worry, it is really simple
michaellarabel: No, I am not worry about that portion. I just don't see it being useful.
Kano: thats the usual way, when a package has an optional gui
Kano: ok, i need a break, will try that later
Kano: maybe i package it the way i want ;)
jensp: hey there, anyone here running Intel drivers with KMS + UXA? Does anyone know the specific versions required for it to work? KMS is working flawlessly but I don't get any direct rendering in X with UXA and without UXA I don't get KMS
monreal: I have it running on rawhide
monreal: both UXA and KMS
jensp: I'm using arch linux, I updated mesa to 7.3, I'm running libdrm 2.4.5 and xf86-video-intel 2.6.2
monreal: latest kernel/drm/intel rpms work fine basicly but they are heavily patched by redhat I think
monreal: resume from suspend does not work for me and I can't set resolutions other than the native one of my lcd but otherwise it seems to work fine now
jensp: would you mind sharing your Xorg logfile? I'm wondering what *should* happen when it failes at direct rendering on my box
monreal: I have one posted to bugzilla yesterday, one moment
monreal: jensp: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=333098
ethana21: It's really hard to compare machines these days
ethana21: not for want of benchmarks, goodness knows PTS is going to cover that...
ethana21: but on things like price, features, screen resolutions, stuff like that
ethana21: I wish there was a place I could go and see all laptops that come with Ubuntu or MacOS preinstalled
mattmatteh: ethana21, power efficiency too
ethana21: and filter by different components
ethana21: mattmatteh: yes
mattmatteh: search alot for the most efficient
ethana21: for instance, I don't care about any machine with a screen resolution less than 1440x900
mattmatteh: now has amd64 x2 4850e
mattmatteh: is happy with his 45 watt cpu, would like to loose the fan.
ethana21: it belongs behind the screen
ethana21: cooled by a giant vertical finned aluminum heat sink
ethana21: ..but the only one that innovates that much with hardware is Apple
mattmatteh: has a huge zalman copper heat sink
mattmatteh: ethana21, i was an apple fan. still kinda. but they married intel... :(
mattmatteh: and i hate intel
ethana21: owns a G4
ethana21: I love intel
ethana21: Intel is AMAZING
mattmatteh: just another lousey monopoly like microsoft
ethana21: It's nVidia I more or less hate
ethana21: monopoly? so?
mattmatteh: i hate nvidia too
ethana21: they make good Free Software
mattmatteh: ethana21, but still make a crappy cpu
ethana21: well, x86 yeah
mattmatteh: doesnt like cisc
ethana21: they're still making it more awesome than anyone elses
ethana21: for few-threaded apps
mattmatteh: ethana21, crap is crap
ethana21: I'd like to see a Niagara T2 in a laptop
mattmatteh: those are not cheap
ethana21: well, not the whole thing
mattmatteh: starting at least 10000
ethana21: like, one eight of one
ethana21: just one or two cores
mattmatteh: they exsist
mattmatteh: they exist, but wow.... $$$$$$$$$$$
mattmatteh: anyway..... off topic
mattmatteh: or drifting from your question
mattmatteh: good reviews are hard to find
mattmatteh: phoronix seems to be better
ethana21: ...I'd love to see some page
ethana21: with all that data right there
ethana21: I'd pay for Phoronix Premium if it had that
mattmatteh: thats what google is for
ethana21: google gets windows machines
ethana21: I couldn't care less about windows machine
ethana21: I just want to buy it and have it work
mattmatteh: what did you search ?
mattmatteh: or what would you like to search for ?
ethana21: LED backlit LCD 1440x900 or higher
ethana21: Intel SSD
ethana21: Core 2 Duo with 2 to 4 MB cache
ethana21: no optical drive
mattmatteh: sounds like a macbook
ethana21: Ubuntu 8.10 64 bit preinstalled
mattmatteh: google 'ubuntu laptop'
mattmatteh: thats where i would start
mattmatteh: or google 'ubuntu preinstalled laptop'
ethana21: oh, forgot about zareason
ethana21: mattmatteh: I've bought two Ubuntu Dells
mattmatteh: what is that ?
mattmatteh: is not a dell fan
mattmatteh: dell buys sane parts, puts the dell name on it, changes it a little bit just to make it incompatible with the sane part driver. stupid
mattmatteh: that site kind nice
mattmatteh: ill have to poke around there
ethana21: I want to be able to compare all laptops by zareason, Apple, system76, and Dell's Ubuntu line side by side
bkero: is not a dell fan either. :/
bkero: I've never seen one with what I would consider good build quality.
mattmatteh: i do have a dell 24 inch lcd
mattmatteh: went on sale
mattmatteh: not bad, no regrets
bkero: I think we were talking about laptops, not LCDs
bkero: The expensive Dell monitors are fine. The cheap ones are just like all the other cheap ones.
mattmatteh: bkero, yes, i know, i was just commenting on dell
bkero: I've got a Mini 9 in front of me now. Despite the nice specs, it falls short on build quality.
bkero: The plastics squeak and bend through normal use. The screen rests on the keyboard, so you get oil transfer for screen scarring, and it suffers the same terrible barrel power connector as many other Dells.
Kano: michaellarabel: can you forbid flash animations as add that make sound? thats extremely annoying
michaellarabel: Kano: I need to know the specific ads that emit sounds.
Kano: on every link you click you hear it again
michaellarabel: I haven't
redeeman: Kano: just remove crapflash
Kano: well usually i dont block it on linux, only on win. but when i have to hear it 100 times a day...
bkero: flashblock :)
redeeman: easier to just remove crappy closed plugins
Kano: Section: libs is the package for pts in ubuntu?
Kano: i really dislike that packageing, no cdbs
Kano: michaellarabel: why do you need to replace a file, cant you source a configfile
Kano: well to replace something in source is maybe not the best choice
Kano: would be more easy to cp all and add an extra file
Kano: but lets see
Kano: michaellarabel: do you have got a menu icon/desktopfile?
Kano: in the desktopfile you could use x-terminal-emulator
michaellarabel: Kano: There is a icon suitable in pts-core/media/
Kano: well not really suitele
Kano: you need usually other sizes
michaellarabel: Kano: What size do you want and I'll push them upstream
Kano: well i had in a package an automatic convert
Kano: but i guess without it also ok for a first try...
Kano: do you really like that packageing how it is now?
michaellarabel: which packaging are you referring to?
Kano: the ubuntu one
Kano: nothing that looks nice ;)
michaellarabel: I hadn't looked at the sources to it or anything, just tested out the file once
Kano: basically you can forget most of it
michaellarabel: What don't you like about the packaging?
Kano: i prefer cdbs, much cleaner
Kano: which section for the bench?
Kano: well for the menu entry of course
Kano: michaellarabel: when i selected do not upload why does it ask if i want?
Kano: and even with Y as preset
thansen: anyone in here know if/how I need to do anything to enable gallium3d for an intel i965?
Wyatts: Ahh, finally got the ati drivers to install. Too bad they seem intent on invoking a really ugly bug and killing my system while they're at it... :/