jumpkick: http://mixxxblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/hercules-releases-gpl-midi-drivers-for.html
jumpkick: Hercules puts out GPL Linux drivers (w/ source) for its Hercules DJ MIDI input controller series
Kano: hi michaellarabel , did you add the lang override?
Xemanth: any chance that phoronix test suite would get qt or gtk gui some day ?:
Xemanth: any plans for that
Xemanth: ?
michaellarabel: Xemanth: There is a GTK GUI
michaellarabel: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15479&page=2
Kano: you dont like kanotix live ?
Kano: why ubuntu?
Kano: i am sure i can create better live images... if i want with autoinstaller for fgrlx or nvidia
Sheepherd: hi all
Sheepherd: where exactly do i have to use the --extract argument? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NTkyMg
Sheepherd: where exactly do i have to use the --extract argument? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NTkyMg
Ivanovic: Sheepherd: as parameter for the .run file
Ivanovic: that is: the .run file is what you directly download, a shellscript with the driver attached in compressed format
Sheepherd: dhcppc1:/home/sheepherd/Desktop # ati*.run --extract
Sheepherd: bash: ati-driver-installer-9-1-x86.x86_64.run: command not found
Sheepherd: aw sry
Sheepherd: anyways... thats the error i get
Ivanovic: try it with a ./filename
Ivanovic: a downloaded file is *NOT* automatically marked executable
Sheepherd: permission denied =? im logged as superuser
Ivanovic: and only scripts marked executeable can be executed "by itself" from a terminal
Ivanovic: yeah, you also got to set the executeale bit
Ivanovic: chmod o+x FILENAME
Ivanovic: to make FILENAME executeable for the owner
Sheepherd: thx very much :D
Sheepherd: ivanovic thx again and im gonna restart now to check out the result :)
Ivanovic: good luck...
Sheepherd: failed -.-
kjetilkWork: I guess it is a common question, I'm looking for a new graphics card. And I've gotten tired of the proprietary drivers, so I'd like to go 100% free software, so that I can at least look and see if there is something I can do to fix the problem
kjetilkWork: My needs are pretty basic, it should drive two screens of 2kx1.6k pixels each, desktop work, so it is important that it doesn't stress my eyes too much
kjetilkWork: but I've started to do a bit of video editing lately, and I guess I will want to do that in HD soon, and we're talking about doing some more OpenGL 3D stuff at work, so it is nice if both those things could be well support in relatively near future
kjetilkWork: I'm in no rush, so I can live with a solution where the drivers don't support it all right now, if the card has the required features and it is likely to be supported soon
kjetilkWork: first, what kind of GPU should I be looking at?
redeeman: if you want a modern-ish card, and 3d, right now, you have no choice but R500
redeeman: or if you can live with the somewhat slower 3d, intel G45 should be good
Azerthoth: kjetilkWork if your just looking for basics that would cover that, Intel (which are to my knowledge not after market cards), or if you dont mind them being a PITA to get working properly ATI is making grounds with open drivers
redeeman: it's not really hard to get the newest open drivers for ATI
Azerthoth: redeeman the neuvou (sp?) open driver for nvidia are progressing nicely as well
redeeman: Azerthoth: yeah but you shouldn't reward nvidia
Azerthoth: er kjetilkWork ^^
redeeman: and i don't believe they are even close to being at radeons level
Azerthoth: havent tried them in awhile
Azerthoth: maybe I should
redeeman: R500 actually has 3d and xv
kjetilkWork: that sounds nice!
kjetilkWork: I have mostly nVidia cards in my boxes now
Azerthoth: ATI though, doing support, if there is a video problem, 95% of the time it starts with coming from an ATI card
redeeman: kjetilkWork: my condolances
kjetilkWork: redeeman, thanks, the most pain is that I can't get trivial things like display hotkey switching to work on my laptop
kjetilkWork: the system I'm replacing has a maxtor g450 card, with 16 MB RAM and two VGA ports :-)
kjetilkWork: it has been a good card for its day, but it doesn't support the things I've started doing now...
redeeman: matrox*
kjetilkWork: errr, right
kjetilkWork: always got that wrong
kjetilkWork: has Matrox done anything interesting the last few years, they were always very nice in releasing free drivers back in the day?
redeeman: kjetilkWork: they are not nice anymore
kjetilkWork: :-(
kjetilkWork: are AMD the nicest in the market now?
JayF: i think so
kjetilkWork: ok
kjetilkWork: likes to buy from nice people :-)
DaSkreech: Does anyone know anything about the Dragon Platform?
Azerthoth: you use it to land big flying lizards on?
DaSkreech: How stable is it?
kjetilkWork: I think I'm getting a mobo with PCI Express 2.0, are there any R500-based cards that uses this?
kjetilkWork: hmmm, seems there aren't a lot of R500 cards in the shops here...
kjetilkWork: so, if I get a R600-card, and use the proprietary drivers for now, will it decently support my use of some video editing and some OpenGL 3D graphics, while awaiting more free software support?
DaSkreech: How much has the ATI documentation changed the free drivers?
DaSkreech: I saw an article about AM3 chips on the site was there ever any benchmarks on those?
Xemanth: michaellarabel: ooh gtk gui :o :) why haven't i heard of it
Xemanth: :D
michaellarabel: Xemanth: It came about in the past two days :)
Xemanth: inice
Xemanth: nice
DaSkreech: Hmm?
Xemanth: does it work only with 1.8 alpha ?
michaellarabel: Xemanth: Yes, Git master is required.
DaSkreech: Has no clue what youare talking about :)
DaSkreech: The Test suite ships with Ubuntu now ?
michaellarabel: DaSkreech: It's in universe for Jaunty
DaSkreech: michaellarabel: Is that what has a gtk interface ?
michaellarabel: DaSkreech: No, the GTK interface won't be in Ubuntu until 9.10 "Karmic Koala"
DaSkreech: ok
DaSkreech: ponders a Qt interface
michaellarabel: Ubuntu 9.04 has PTS 1.6 "Tydal". The initial GTk2 interface is being released with PTS 1.8 "Selbu", which is going to be out in April or May. Though by July/August will be PTS 2.0, which should be in Ubuntu 9.10.
DaSkreech: That would be just in for the freeze
DaSkreech: How important is the new lmsensors?
Kano: hi, could somebody with ati card test my latest script with debian or ubuntu?
Kano: it seems all kanotix users with ati cards switched over to nvidia already ;)
DaSkreech: :-)
DaSkreech: Why the switch?
Kano: because of crappy drivers
Kano: i only saw that 5 pci ids reappeared with it
DaSkreech: Are AmD drivers really that bad?
Kano: they are
DaSkreech: How much has the ATI documentation changed the free drivers?
Kano: i dont talk about free drivers but about fglrx
DaSkreech: WEll yes obviously
DaSkreech: everyone knows free drivers suck :)
DaSkreech: I'm just asking how much has ATI documentation changed the free drivers
Kano: well the basic problems for the x700 cards i had until they died disappeared. i found out von mesa bug myself that lead to a bugfix and the vga port now accepts dcc too, since 6.10 driver (that error took really long to get a fix)
Kano: lenny ships with a driver without correct RV410 support
Kano: can not say something about newer chips, i never had those
DaSkreech: Debian isn't known for hot spanking new features
DaSkreech: Can't say I'm surprised that support for hardware in Debian is slower than for say Fedora
KjetilK: reads backlog, and sees the comment about Debian not having the latest drivers, and yeah that's true, but does anyone know which version of the fglrx driver went into Lenny?
Kano: 8-12
Kano: but you can try my script for latest driver
Kano: KjetilK: http://kanotix.com/files/install-fglrx-debian.sh
KjetilK: Kano: cool!
Kano: updated to 9.2
KjetilK: I haven't actually bought the card yet, but I plan to run Debian on the box
Kano: just nobody tested it yet
Kano: then do NOT buy it!
KjetilK: oh, really?
Kano: get geforce 8 or 9
Kano: much better choice
KjetilK: hmmmm, I'm starting to hate the proprietary drivers, and the nv drivers doesn't have decent performance
KjetilK: how good is noveau these days?
Kano: fglrx are really bad compared to nvidia
KjetilK: hmmmm, ok
KjetilK: well, my idea is that I'd like to buy the card where I would get the best performance with 100% free software drivers in foreseeable future
KjetilK: I don't see that happening with nvidia, but there is some promise with ATI...
Kano: i would buy a card with the best features now
Kano: never rely on promises
KjetilK: well, my current card is 8 years old, so things have to have a long lifetime in my box :-)
KjetilK: well, 7.5 :-)
Kano: and you want to buy agp ati?
KjetilK: naaaah, PCI Express 2.0 if possible
Kano: well i would go for 8400 gs 512 mb
Kano: if you dont play games
Kano: or 9800 gt 512 or better if you do
KjetilK: I have a 8500 GT in my MythTV box
KjetilK: it works ok, indeed
Kano: sure it does even support vdpau...
KjetilK: yeah, which is important for that box
KjetilK: but I'm starting to hate nvidia for the stuff I have in my laptop, especially for the lack of display hotkey switching
Kano: and you think ati works better?
KjetilK: which is a really basic feature that has been around for years, and I can't even look into the code to see if there is anything I can do to fix it
KjetilK: I'm willing to try
Kano: with lenny you can not go over R400 series
KjetilK: after all, this stuff worked in my mother's old laptop from 2000 or thereabouts
Kano: to get acc with ati out of the box
KjetilK: hmmm, ok
Kano: latest ubuntu mit work with R500
Kano: might
Kano: when you want to use open drivers
Kano: the problem is, right now you are forced to use open drivers with those cards
Kano: because there is no fglrx for xserver 1.6
Kano: fglrx is always behind
KjetilK: ok, so this sounds like a PITA, indeed
Kano: if you want to play a game which is a bit more demanding then nexuiz then you have lost
KjetilK: I don't, probably
KjetilK: but I've started to do a bit of video editing...
KjetilK: which soon may turn into HD video editing
KjetilK: and then we've started to look into some 3D OpenGL stuff at work, which may turn into a research project with code that I may want to run at home
KjetilK: so, those are the most demanding things I'll do, probably
KjetilK: Kano: so, how good would a R600 card perform if I used your script to get the latest drivers?
Kano: i do not own such a card
Kano: all my ati pci-e cards are DEAD
Kano: i had 2 rv410, both do not work anymore
KjetilK: ouch
Skeleton_Eel: hi all : )
Skeleton_Eel: how i can download full package of phoronix test suite ?
michaellarabel: Skeleton_Eel: http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/
Skeleton_Eel: michaellarabel: i wont download full package , not the package in the site and make "install-all"
michaellarabel: Running install-all is the only way to get all of the files
Skeleton_Eel: : (
michaellarabel: What's your reasoning for wanting it?
Skeleton_Eel: ok , thank u very much : )
Skeleton_Eel: download all is very boring , i wanna all tests in on package : )
rainbyte: hi