Phoronix IRC Log: 2009-01-30
Kano: hi michaellarabel , the phorogit links in the forum still show nothing
ech0s7: to all
michaellarabel: Hi ech0s7
ech0s7: i have read your post
ech0s7: Should have used the Phoronix Test Suite! :P
ech0s7: i'm downloading it
ech0s7: michaellarabel: i have installed
ech0s7: but i haven't any test
michaellarabel: Great. Then you should just need to run: phoronix-test-suite benchmark gtkperf
michaellarabel: That will download and setup gtkperf and then automate the testing
ech0s7: michaellarabel: it install all in ~ home ?
ech0s7: ok, thanks
michaellarabel: ech0s7: How's it running for you?
ech0s7: michaellarabel: i'm testing
ech0s7: michaellarabel: textview are slow... when it fill the buffer
vadi2: Are there any demo apps that demonstrate new effects in opengl 3 and run on linux?
cxo: opengl3 does not have any new effects
cxo: its just a bloaty version of 2.1 with lots of crud
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: time for some thread merging?
Kano: michaellarabel: there is a tiny error in pts 1.6.0 + nexuiz
Kano: michaellarabel: you may NOT use mv dir/ dir2/, that does not work if dir2 is no dir, but you can use: mv dir dir2
Kano: michaellarabel: in the install.sh
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: will take care of it in a second, doing FOSDEM packing right now.
michaellarabel: Kano: will look into it shortly
Ivanovic: okay, great
Kano: just testing nexuiz phenom II vs E6600 ;)
cxo: is that all its comparable to?
cxo: is saddened
Kano: maybe i oc the gfx card too a bit ;)
Kano: it was 8x400 not 3600 mhz
Kano: michaellarabel: but there still must be an issue, when i use the benchmark option it tries to install it again
Kano: i always have to delete the installed test
Kano: i like that benchmarks somehow *g*
Kano: gaming ati vs intel *g*
redeeman: cxo: even much much older AMD64's actually beat core 2's for some things
cxo: heh a broken clock is right at least once a day, whats your point?
redeeman: with phenom 2 being much much faster, it significantly outmatches Q6600's
cxo: yeah right
Kano: redeeman: well 4 cores no not win against 2 with a game
Kano: at least not nexuiz, i guess a 1 core would be enough
redeeman: core2 actually stinks pretty badly, only thing going for it is the cache
redeeman: but i found that for stuff like hashing, my amd64 s754 actually matches the speed of my core2
redeeman: well... except ofcourse that you can actually get decent chipsets for intel stuff
maligor: redeeman, like the mtrr bugs?
maligor: albeit that's the only issue I've hit
redeeman: i now have a variety of different intel chipsetted computers, no mtrr issues
redeeman: if you want acceptable speed for amd, you need nvidia chipset, and i don't think i have to tell you what's wrong with that
redeeman: it's a damn shame, i have had the urge to order phenom 2 the last week
redeeman: but a cpu without mobo arent gonna help me much
Kano: next month am3 with ddr3
Kano: maybe this helps amd
redeeman: but i don't want to buy ddr3 just yet
Kano: well it is not that expensive anymore
redeeman: 2gb modules are still twice cost atleast
redeeman: plus i happen to have some laying around
Kano: well all you dont need anymore send to me ;)
redeeman: that's why i would like a phenom 2
redeeman: then i could retire this s754 amd64
Kano: you can use a E5200 to beat that ;)
redeeman: try doing some MD4 digesting and come back to me :P
cxo: yeah cos everytime you hit a key on the keyboard, the keystrokes are md4 hashed and then verified against a hashmap in the kernel, gotta do d'em md4 digests real fast
redeeman: cxo: while i do write fast enough that the speed of md4 in such an application is an issue, i do believe you are missing the point
Deanjo: greets all
ZeXx86: Somebody know why UT3 Linux client still dont come ?
cxo: Somebody know why ATi Linux driver still dont work ?
Ivanovic: ZeXx86: "somebody" probably knows it
Ivanovic: though i don't think this person is in here and/or willing to share the reason
Ivanovic: my guess is that there won't be a linux version of UT3 any time soon (as in "not this decade")
Ivanovic: so: everyone who bought it believing the promises of "we will release a binary" were fooled and should consider waiting for the binary next time
ZeXx86: Ivanovic: thanks, but when I ask icculus (developer of this port) he dont answer
Ivanovic: ever heard of something called "NDA"
Ivanovic: the ones porting things are often forbidden to talk about the progress to "outstanding" persons
ZeXx86: I want only know, why it is delayed
ZeXx86: but one year is over and nobody know
Ivanovic: there won't be an answer unless epic allows it
cxo: Someone should just make it illegal to sell closed source software
ZeXx86: why ut3 server is released and client no, why there is not too big difference
Ivanovic: and i have the impression that epic will just keep silent about the whole matter as long as it takes for people to not ask again
Ivanovic: uhm, not a big difference between a dedicated server and a game?!?
Ivanovic: sorry, there is a *huge* difference between the two
ZeXx86: sure, physx, game data, etc are included in server side too
Ivanovic: ugh, you don't really know how many calculations are done server side and how many client side
ZeXx86: Ivanovic: heh, I know, I am developer :-B
Ivanovic: and in general you want to offload as much as possible to the client to reduce load on the servers, allowing more players with less resources used
Ivanovic: then you do know that there can be a *really* huge difference between server and client
ZeXx86: Ivanovic: right, but I read hexa code and you can see lot of things from client in server binary file
Ivanovic: you will have to ask epic why they have not released the game for linux
Ivanovic: but i expect that you won't get an answer *ever*
Ivanovic: since my guess is that the game is basically dead for them by now
ZeXx86: Ivanovic: epic forum is full of this, but nobody get normal answer yet
ZeXx86: I think that epic will waiting until ue3 is out, e.g. Mirror's Edge using this engine, so this is so good for linux
Ivanovic: my guess is that there won't be a linux binary of ut3 this decade
ZeXx86: yeah, so one choice is to hack wine for better performance in UT3
ZeXx86: http://rd-hosting.eu/web/zexx86/ut3/window/ here are some screenshots from UT3 under Wine
Ivanovic: the obvious solution is to completely ignore ut3
Ivanovic: and not buy anything from any company unless they ship a working native linux binary of the program or offer a point release
Ivanovic: that is: only buy *after* you are 100% sure that there is a native linux binary
ZeXx86: yeah, I buy ET:QW and it just works
maligor: or buy Savage2
maligor: atleast if the thing would update itself
maligor: damn thing's stuck
ZeXx86: Savage 2 is for free or not ?
Ivanovic: off to bed now, n8
maligor: it has the free basic accounts now
maligor: the 'premium accounts' are just $10 tho
maligor: one time, not monthly
maligor: well worth supporting companies that make linux games, eh :P
cxo: yeah thats always my plight
cxo: people say, hey dude, why dont you buy your games, people worked hard to make that
cxo: i say FUCK YOU BITCH! THEY DONT NEED MY MONEY
cxo: cos if they did, they would make it available on my platform
cxo: Game Studios dont want money from Linux users, cos if they did, they would obviously make it available on Linux
bkero: Game studios don't think that the market of linux gamers is big enough to turn a profit.
maligor: you mean it isn't big enough to rake in tons of money
maligor: I expect you can make a profit
maligor: just not anywhere near as much as with windows
maligor: or easily (looking at the crap most games are)
Kano: michaellarabel: can you change the pts viewer that is shows the value when a test only has got one result?
Kano: its a bit annoying when you seek for high results ;)
Kano: 1680x1050 hdr with 132 fps seem to be still pretty good i think
michaellarabel: Kano: You mean in like the overview chart?
michaellarabel: Probably. I am going to be rewriting that overview chart since there's a few bugs in it due to XSL limitations
Kano: did you find the issue why nexuiz is not found when you use the compare feature and it installs it again?
michaellarabel: Is it happening only for the Nexuiz test?
Kano: did not compare against others, currently recording
Kano: but with that mv it is very likely that it can not be installed twice
Kano: so maybe a good test
Kano: did you look at the deb creation issue? when you add VERa or b or whatever it is newer than VER, so it would never update to ver
Kano: you can use VER~whatver, thats lower than VER