Phoronix IRC Log: 2009-01-13
Deanjo: Little to gawdy for my taste
Milyardo: Never bought an Apevia case before
Milyardo: The size is what attracked me the most
Milyardo: That and it appears as tough it'll have great Airflow
Milyardo: It says it comes with 2 80mm fans but I dont see where they go
Kano: michaellarabel: did you ever think of using cp -s when the file is in the dl cache?
Kano: another full copy is not needed
Kano: or just use it directly from the cache
Kano: to make your scripts works a cp -s would be enough
Kano: cp -s works with different filesystems too - unlike ln -s
GNU\colossus: does cp -s fall back to copying when symlinks aren't supported or what?
Kano: nope,it creates a symlink
Kano: well in most cases it is the same
Kano: but anyway, a symlink instead of a copy is more useful
GNU\colossus: the there is no difference between ln -s and cp -s
Kano: well cp -s looks nicer ;) you only have to add a -s
Kano: hmm how to change the dlcache postion?
Kano: only symlink possible?
michaellarabel: the dlcache can be specified from ~/.phoronix-test-suite/user-config.xml Kano
Soul_keeper: http://www.petitiononline.com/ut3linux/petition.html nice
Naib: yer like that will work...
Naib: we will get America's Army3 before we get ut3
Soul_keeper: yeah i purchased ut3 the week it came out, havn't played it since, the cd just sits on the floor collecting dust
Naib: then epic owned you then :D
Soul_keeper: they lied to me
Soul_keeper: i won't be fooled like that again
Kano: michaellarabel: does the smokin-gun test work for you?
michaellarabel: Kano: worked for me last time I tried it
Kano: it seems it uses always wrong res and does not use fullscreen
michaellarabel: what res?
Kano: 1680x1050 or others
Kano: kde 3.5.5 session as default on kanotix
Kano: i replaced the binary only
Kano: which works fine usually
Kano: i only use some extra tuning
Kano: +set cg_fov 100 for 16:10
Kano: when i play the game
Kano: fov means field of view in degree
Kano: cant you sort those
Kano: i see no opengl-workstation?
Kano: well i did that too, but why dont all all?
Kano: none of those looks like a full test
Kano: can you show me uname -m from os x?
michaellarabel: I don't have that system online right now, but what do you need it for?
Kano: to optimize the specview of course
michaellarabel: I changed this in Git yesterday by the way, but instead of using uname -m within the test script, just use $OS_ARCH and it will contain uname -m. Anyways, the $OS_ARCH for OS X 10.5 should be i386
Kano: i386 is a bad test...
Kano: because you can have i386, i686 and so on
Kano: only 64 bit is identical always
Kano: do you have got a war with linux or osx or so?
michaellarabel: I may change $OS_ARCH in next version to do 32-bit or 64-bit. $OS_ARCH right now for instance on OpenSolaris changes i86pc to i686.
michaellarabel: $OS_TYPE should be: Linux, Solaris, MacOSX, or BSD.
michaellarabel: Run: phoronix-test-suite diagnostics to see the environmental variables that are available
Kano: good,then you can add a subcheck for MaxOSX
Kano: and solaris
Kano: for the first you could use then if [ "$OS_ARCH" = "x86_64" -a "$OS_TYPE" = "Linux" ]; then...
Kano: elif [ "$OS_TYPE" = "Linux" ]; then
Kano: what is now the default
Kano: elif [ "$OS_TYPE" = "Solaris" ]; then... and so on
Kano: as you need sometimes 2 vars to check you can not use case
Milyardo: A case switch would be more efficient for this situation
Milyardo: and less confusing than nested if o.o
Kano: you can use case for OS_TYPE and then add a check for OS_ARCH if needed too
Kano: not really shorter
Kano: basically the configure script itself could check uname and uname -m itself...
Kano: as uname = OS_ARCH
Milyardo: So michaellarabel, whats on the project roadmap for PTS20
michaellarabel: The "OpenBenchmarking.org" / new Phoronix Global in particular
Milyardo: I figuring a nice feature for 2.0 would be the ability for PTS manage, aggregate, and execute benchmarks, and benchmarking information across multiple machine, giving users the ability to create their own PTS Global repositories
Kano: well uploading to a private server would be good, not everybody wants to show the results to everyone
michaellarabel: Errm now who has been leaking PTS 2.0 / OpenBenchmarking 2.0 feature roadmaps.... :P Both of those are part of the plan.
michaellarabel: How's the docs been Milyardo?
Milyardo: Working on them now, its been a slow day so far at work today
Milyardo: Too much snow,
michaellarabel: When do you think they'll be done by? (Just so I know whether to look forward to it in 1.6 or 1.8)
Milyardo: No one is bothering to come to school today
Milyardo: Ummm... Not Sure, I still haven't decided how much quality I wanted to put into this, since I started this just to learn the API, I was planning on at least getting stubs in for every function
Milyardo: but if you plan on putting it as a feature
michaellarabel: stubs are fine
Milyardo: I'll put more quality into it then
Milyardo: I'm not sure what function pts_unique_runtime_identifier() does michaellarabel, more specificly what THIS_OPTION_IDENTIFIER is.
michaellarabel: It just provides a unique identifier for that run, which is essentially just a timestamp. Like the system_monitor module uses it for deciding what to name some files
Kano: michaellarabel: also it would be nice when you press enter for name or run then this would take same good default
michaellarabel: Kano: what?
Kano: well the 2 questions when you use run option
Kano: for the 3rd you can already press enter
Kano: when you want to store the file,but not upload those are not that interesting to fill out correctly
michaellarabel: I'm not sure if I understand what you're saying.
Kano: when you use run xxx
Kano: then you are asked to enter 3 things
Kano: for the 3rd you can press just enter
Kano: i want that you can press for the first 2 questions enter too
Kano: and then it should use a good default, like date+time or something like that
michaellarabel: Ohhh, for the saved name and identifier?
michaellarabel: Yeah that is easily doable, it's already possible when running in batch mode
Kano: then just make that as default response
Milyardo: michaellarabel: Have you seen the new sound preferences dialog for Jaunty?
michaellarabel: Milyardo: Just clicked on it, nice!
Milyardo: I was weirded out for a second when the volume changer was horizantal
Milyardo: I do like how you can now view per application audio streams, with what back-end it uses (ALSA, OSS, or JACK)
Milyardo: with the ability to control thier volume
Milyardo: Is this update a GNOME one? or Ubuntu specific?
Milyardo: (its been a while since I updated my jaunty machine so I didn't read changelogs for all 300 updates :P)
michaellarabel: Milyardo: checking
michaellarabel: Milyardo: It's originating from Fedora work
Milyardo: Thats cool
Milyardo: So its not up yet then? I was figuring the GNOME developers would hold off on something like that till GNOME 3.0
Milyardo: since that seems like a pretty big change
Milyardo: It looks like this is replaceing gnome-volume-control instead of updating it
Milyardo: "gnome-applets will loose the mixer applet. It will be replaced by a NullApplet, to make existing panel configurations work without warnings. "
Milyardo: michaellarabel: In function function pts_user_config_init, why is $UploadKey a parameter? If the value is null it just reads the value from the config anyways?
michaellarabel: because that's how the uploadkey is initially set
michaellarabel: See: pts-core/options/global_login.php
Milyardo: So So why doesn't pts-core/options/global_login.php just use tandem_XmlWriter->addXmlObject() instead? If a user had multiple PTS Global accounts doesn't this reset his config everytime he logs in to a different user?
michaellarabel: Milyardo: Yes, you're right. It will be redone when Phoronix Global is improved
Milyardo: k :) as long as its a currently desired effect
Milyardo: Your inline comment says that pts_user_config_init updates configs
Milyardo: so when I saw that it was just completely overwriting them I was confused
michaellarabel: Part of it has to do with the design of tandem_Xml, but yeah, when there's a new Phoronix Global that method will get improved
Plouj: michaellarabel: glossy screen = good? Are you kidding me?
Plouj: "great viewing angles, excellent colors, and no problems to speak of" - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=dell_inspiron_1525&num=2
Milyardo: Some people like glossy screens
Plouj: I prefer to see what the laptop is displaying rather than myself on the screen: http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=dell_inspiron_1525&image=dell_1525_open_lrg
Plouj: Milyardo: those people probably don't use computers very often.
michaellarabel: Plouj: when the display is actually on, the screen really doesn't give off a glossy effect.
Plouj: are you sure?
Plouj: have you used it on a sunny day (indoors)?
Milyardo: Not much sun here in Michigan :D
Plouj: michaellarabel: the article doesn't mention this: were you able to use the HDMI port? With what drivers? Did you get audio over HDMI?
Plouj: michaellarabel: also, what wifi chipset does that laptop use? Intel?
Plouj: I think it would be appropriate to mention that and other device/driver specific info on a Linux review site :)
Milyardo: Plouj: I think michaellarabel had an article specificly about the sate of HDMI under Linux not too long ago, maybe he could have Linked that
Plouj: any mention would be better than none
Milyardo: Since at the current moment I don't think HDMI isn't really working with any driver completely
Plouj: well, that's why I ask
Plouj: to me, this article paints an overly positive/optimistic/unrealistic picture of perfect operation
Milyardo: I think the fact that it doesn't mention how effectively does Ubuntu use powersaving features with this laptop
Milyardo: is important
Milyardo: I know my laptop doesn't have the greatest battery Life with Linux(not that it has a great one to begin with)
Milyardo: Though I'm sure 90% reason is Compiz, since I have an 8600M GT
Milyardo: Powermizer Blows on Nvidia cards
Milyardo: There's no real for my video cards to be clocked to the highest speed when compiz is rendering 600+ FPS
Milyardo: *real reason
Milyardo: Lunch time! yum
Kano: michaellarabel: that specview test runs only once it seems on some systems
Milyardo: Lol phoronix on twitter
Milyardo: I like the avatar
Milyardo: or more like a o_0
michaellarabel: ndim: Run into any other PTS issues, questions, or ideas lately?
Kano: michaellarabel: what do you think about cp -s instead of real copy from dl cache?
Kano: it is usally stupid to copy it when you only want to extract it
Kano: maybe exchange copy by symlink
Kano: that usually works fine and takes no extra space...
michaellarabel: Finally System76 has offered up a review unit...
zpowers: System76 machines are just random parts ordered off of newegg?
Milyardo: there we go