Phoronix IRC Log: 2009-01-05
Kano: michaellarabel: dont you think showing the same banner twice helps? it only makes the forum really slow. shouldnt it be enough to show it on top?
Kano: especially the flash ones
redeeman: is fitting a pcie x1 card into an x16 socket possible?
Ivanovic: the other way around is not possible though...
redeeman: so i guess that's what i must do if i want good performance for sata controllers whilst also using all the southbridge controllers?
maligor: 1x on a 16x slots is 1x
redeeman: yes but pcie x1 slots are carried via southbridge right?
maligor: why would they be?
maligor: but I couldn't really say
redeeman: because i think that's what some intel master mind came up with
redeeman: (on intel)
maligor: that'd just mean you'd have to have more than 1 controller
maligor: and sort of makes p2p weird
maligor: not that a sata controller would ever have to talk to a graphics card
maligor: lspci kinda looks like that it does have pci-e ports on the southbridge
michaellarabel: Oh wow.
redeeman: michaellarabel: ?
michaellarabel: Tomorrow's article :)
Vegar: tomorrow in which timezone?
Vegar: australian, brazilian or north american EST?
michaellarabel: 6AM North American EST
Deanjo: Well it looks like ffmpeg caved in and accepted vdpau http://git.ffmpeg.org/?p=ffmpeg;a=commit;h=d286159ad7620d37b8bfeacdba25686eb68c5046
Deanjo: michaellarabel, ^^
redeeman: a shame
Deanjo: Oh go cry in a corner
redeeman: i don't have time, im busy writing software
Deanjo: Not the first time I see a coder curled up in a corner weeping :D
redeeman: im not a coder
redeeman: the code worked on first try :
Deanjo: hmmm seagate just brought out a 2 platter 1 tb drive
redeeman: then they should also bring out a 4 platter 2tb
redeeman: and they should make it power saving
Deanjo: With that kind of areal density it should fly
Deanjo: And ya, you have to assume the 2 TB drives are just around the corner
Deanjo: Probably will be announced at CES
Deanjo: They are claiming 160MB/s throughput
redeeman: seems likely
Deanjo: That will give the raptors a run for the money
redeeman: more than that
redeeman: the velociraptors have huge errors
redeeman: they are simply dying like rats you poison
Deanjo: Oh, I know that. Got a stack of extinct dinosaurs
Deanjo: They don't hold up in a server environment
redeeman: they are an abomination
Deanjo: Although I'm not sure what to think about seagate dropping to a 3 year warranty at the same time as introducing a new series
redeeman: and wd is instituting 5 year, right?
Deanjo: Seagate's RMA department are a bunch of dolts too. They have lost 3 of my drives that I have sent to them for RMA. Every single time I had to go through hell sending them proff of deliveries etc etc
redeeman: why do you people go through rma with the manufacturer? it's so much easier just sending to shop
Deanjo: I guess the retail kit drives for seagate are still 5 year. OEM drives are now 3
Deanjo: Most shops wont do RMA's for the customer
redeeman: in denmark they are forced to
Deanjo: After the exchange period has expired the customer has to send them back on their own
Deanjo: Typically 15-30 days
redeeman: we only have 14 days return
Deanjo: It's up to the stores here
redeeman: for consumer market theres strict laws here
redeeman: for business customers it's up to shops
Deanjo: The only ones that can return the items with 30 days grace by law are minors here
Deanjo: I think 7 days for everybody else
Deanjo: Basically it covers you for DOA's
redeeman: when you say retail kits has 5 year
redeeman: do you mean those sold to normal consumers?
Deanjo: The ones that are on retail shop stores. The ones that usually come with manuals, installation kits, cables etc
Deanjo: The bulk drives are only 3 years (oem)
redeeman: i never saw a retail kit for sale then
Deanjo: Usually sold in your office supply and electronics superstores
redeeman: hah, not here
redeeman: we only have the oem versions
Deanjo: Damn my speakers are still sitting in customs.
Deanjo: Man those guys take their sweet ass time
bkero: Sneaky canadians are probably smuggling drugs in it.
Deanjo: Na, probably checking to see if I'm trying to smuggle in Bin Laden or something
Deanjo: I probably forgot to cross a T or dot an i on my declaration of "This product is not being used for terrorist use"
Deanjo: It's stupid the amount of paperwork a person has to do for even a bloody RMA nowdays
Deanjo: It's why I never bother spending the money for expedited shipping. It always gets held up at customs anyways
bkero: The US can't that bad for domestic shipments
bkero: Unless your neighbors steal your fucking packages :/
Deanjo: I sent 1 package via Canada Post once.... never again
Deanjo: It was going to California but it decided to take the 3 week scenic route via Florida to get there
redeeman: Deanjo: theres a hardware shop here that has an awesome service
redeeman: basically, you pay $5 extra for each disk you buy
redeeman: and then if you have a disk that dies
redeeman: they first send you a new one
redeeman: and then you ship old back to them
redeeman: no questions asked
redeeman: im a fan of that shop, i must say
redeeman: no crap, just business
Deanjo: Ya, i've got a good shop like that here. I don't bother them with RMA's though. Usually when I have RMA's to be done it's more then 1 or two items to be sent back.
Deanjo: On the other hand with them I can call them up and say "Order me this......." and they do without asking for any deposit or such
Deanjo: Prices are always the cheapest too
Slixxt: been reading some reviews on Phoronix [and many other places], but I still can't decide between ATI and Nvidia for a dual-boot system
Slixxt: specifically comparing the EVGA GTX 260 Core 216 SuperClocked against an ASUS or Sapphire 4870 1GB model, if that makes a difference
Deanjo: Do you want to use your card today or are you willing to go through growing pains?
Slixxt: I don't need all that much in terms of 3D use while on Linux, mostly stuff like playing blu-ray and all the mandatory graphical fanceries, but I'd rather not have to manually reinstall the drivers every time the kernel updates, like I have in the past with ATI cards
Deanjo: If your doing HD, get nvidia
Slixxt: also, my motherboard is crossfire-capable, so that's a point for ATI future-abilities
Deanjo: Well that's something you will have to weight out
Slixxt: sure, taht's what I'm doing, I just keep getting referred back to Phoronix as a reference on video cards in Linux, so I thought I'd try to get some real-time answers too
Deanjo: If it's going to be a pure linux machine then there is no real need for crossfire or sli as the sad fact is that linux games just don't push modern cards hard enough as it is
Slixxt: neh, I intend to dual-boot for gaming, been doing it for years
Deanjo: Well then crossfire could be useful for you in windows
Slixxt: I don't intend to use crossfire OOTB now, just for a possible future use
Slixxt: but with Nvidia I wouldn't have that option
Deanjo: Well you have to ask yourself if your going to go crossfire within your current cards availability
Slixxt: I am running an Intel system, and I've overall had better luck running Intel/Nvidia and AMD/ATI in the past
Deanjo: A year down the road you will have a tough time finding matching cards
Deanjo: So then you would be in a position again of having to buy new cards
Slixxt: hmm, that's a point to consider
Slixxt: also, every review I've been reading has said that the 4870 is a much better bet for the cost, as it's ~$100 cheaper than the GTX 260s, which isn't true anymore
Deanjo: And when that is done you might as well purchase a dual gpu card instead if you really need the extra boost
Deanjo: The new 260's with the new nvidia drivers spank the 4870
Slixxt: I do like ATI's promise of open-source drivers etc though, as I'm a dork
Deanjo: Remember you will never get as fast of performance or feature set with the opensource drivers vs the blobs
Deanjo: and right now the opensource drivers for the 4x00 series are pretty featureless. 2d is about it right now
Slixxt: I expected as much atm
Slixxt: also, I'm too lazy and dumb to actually learn enough about them to actually help with anything, so my voice is small
Deanjo: So if it's down to blob vs blob, nvidia does win in that respect
Slixxt: have you personally had any dealings with XFX's customer support ?
Deanjo: Dealing with them right now as a matter of fact
Slixxt: any luck ?
Deanjo: Got a 7600GT that gave up the ghost when the fan died. Lifetime warranty on them though.
Deanjo: Ya no issues so far. Got my RMA number today
Slixxt: when did you submit the ticket ?
Slixxt: I must just have terrible luck or something
Deanjo: So basically 24 hours since they are more then likely closed on the weekends
Slixxt: just about everything I've read just praises their customer support, says it's beats everything out the water
Slixxt: it took them *OVER 7 WEEKS* to even authorize my RMA....
Deanjo: I think you just got bad luck of the draw
Slixxt: that's 7 weeks, 9 support tickets, and a total of 16 messages before they'd give me an RMA for a card that was all of 9 months old
Deanjo: Heh, the worst I had was with Auzentech. Nice cards, really crappy tech support
Slixxt: I've heard good and bad things about most manufacturers, ASUS comes to mind specifically, but most everything I've read about XFX just says they're great
Deanjo: Fought with them for over a YEAR on one ticket before they finally agreed to RMA the card
Milyardo: michaellarabel: You there?
Deanjo: The secret with asus to get quick support is a) not to rant b) be completely detailed in all aspects of the ticket, don't leave them with any stupid nonsense step that they can throw back at you to try.
Milyardo: Deanjo: Isn't like that with anyone?
Deanjo: And always tell them you have a duplicate product and the same setup there works when the defective part is swapped. It leaves them with no other conclusion but a bad product
Deanjo: Milyardo, I know for a fact that Apple tech support will not push back on stuff like that
Deanjo: If they don't have a 90% first call resolution they are not happy
Deanjo: It's a very important step to the agents to get that percentage as their bonus's are based heavily on that
Milyardo: I've thought alot places have started moving away from the dogma when it comes to helpdesk
Deanjo: Nope Applecare is a key corner stone of their success
Deanjo: For their tier 2 agents expectations are higher. They are expected to have 100% resolution rate. They are not however just by a first call basis
Deanjo: Their tier 2's are on the case until the issue is 100% resolved
Milyardo: michaellarabel: looking at functions/pts-functions_system_graphics.php it seems that these functions are completely uaware of the possiblity of multi gpu setups, is mult-gpu functionality implemented elsewhere or should I put in a @todo?
Milyardo: should think about becoming less noturnal >.>
Milyardo: should goto bed
Milyardo: insteam I'm going to play WoW!