Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-12-29
mtah: Hello! Anyone in here with a Trust DS-3250 keyboard+mouse set?
michaellarabel: Today should be an exciting day :)
PetoKraus: hello guys
PetoKraus: i'd like to ask for a recommendation - i'm gonna buy a video camera, just a wee small thing. I'd like to get something compatible with linux, and cheap. Any tips?
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: so when can we open the bottle champaign?
PetoKraus: i guess it's best to buy one which records data directly onto SDcard or DVD, isn't it
PetoKraus: no need to capture trough Firewire then...
PetoKraus: though the quality of the data is higher on *DV tape than on a dvd/sdcard
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: so when is it time to open the champaign?
Ivanovic: the bottle is well temperatured by now...
Milyardo: w00t party at michaellarabel's
Milyardo: why are we partying?
michaellarabel: Wait and find out :)
Milyardo: now feels out of the loop
Milyardo: Thats okay, I don't need to know why we are partying to enjoy
Milyardo: repeatedly hit F5 on the phoronix home page
RobbieAB: wonders what big announcement is in the works...
Ivanovic: RobbieAB: that the world is about to end tomorrow...
Ivanovic: and we will get benchmarks about this
d2kx: cool is that supported by pts yet?
Ivanovic: d2kx: the announcement is about this new test profile
d2kx: don't leak information on upcoming phoronix articles on here, please
RobbieAB: *shrug* I somehow don't see a PTS profile as being that big an announcement... :|
d2kx: what do you think will people will do when they find out that the world ends tomorrow? play some world of warcraft of course and we don't want that
RobbieAB: Which of course is what will cause the end of the world
RobbieAB: Everyone trying to play WoW at once will crash vital parts of the net, like the WoW servers...
Deanjo: WoW is a sign of the Apocalypse.
d2kx: Using your physical body is an "out of body experience" for any WoW hero, uhm player
d2kx: the reason why WoW isn't avaible for Linux anymore is that Linux development would stop right after
Deanjo: Not to mention kill off wine development
RobbieAB: Which would be a good thing
Ivanovic: d2kx: nah, there is enough holding back software development on *nix systems
RobbieAB: tests the robustness of his netbooks gentoo install
RobbieAB: by shrinking the fs
d2kx: world of warcraft does not only let you benchmark your computer, but also your body
Ivanovic: eg wesnoth is to be blamed for several longer delays in kde development...
RobbieAB: Ok, lets push Wesnoth a bit more
timofonic: d2kx: Do you mean if able to survive after toons of cheetos and fast food with no physical activity at all? :)
RobbieAB: dislikes KDE, for all sorts of reasons
Ivanovic: likes and uses KDE...
Deanjo: I can't agree with killing off wine would be a good thing. You might was well kill off support for other os's in VM's as well in that respect.
d2kx: timofonic: sounds like you have some experiences to share
d2kx: Wesnoth is to be blamed for me and my brother being awake late at night yesterday
Deanjo: plus tonnes of emulators
timofonic: d2kx: That's what WoW players do besides watching furry pr0n, anime, superhero movies and reading comics
timofonic: d2kx: Hehe
Ivanovic: you should watch funny ads instead
timofonic: d2kx: That phrase is quite typical, like one that may have been typed by some cheaply AI ;)
Ivanovic: d2kx: which version were you playing?
Ivanovic: 1.4.x or 1.5.x?
d2kx: so if that advert counts as pr0n, Ivanovic finished the first step to become a hero in Azeroth if timofonic is right
RobbieAB: Deanjo: depends on what you are looking for. So long as Wine provides a sorta functional compatability layer, software houses won't bother with native linux versions
Ivanovic: d2kx: you might want to play all thursday with the then brand new 1.5.7 (if i really manage to get 1.5.7 tagged tomorrow...)
Deanjo: Same could be said about any emulator or vm solution that offers OS support for anything other then the host os RobbieAB
timofonic: d2kx: youtube is like porn, just more boring :)
d2kx: only because i'm running debian/unstable does not mean i like unstable software
d2kx: any interesting changes on the road to 1.6?
RobbieAB: Deanjo: how many emulators are for competeing OSes though?
Ivanovic: for example the new portrait engine just made it in
Ivanovic: a new campaign
Ivanovic: balancing improvements
timofonic: d2kx: Are you sure? Of maybe you have a unstable personality! Hehe
timofonic: Sorry, just doing twisted jokes...
Deanjo: Lot's the emulator crew is alive an kicking
RobbieAB: really? Most emulators I have seen are for old consoles/hardware
timofonic: What crew?
timofonic: But do wine team have a life? They work too much on it, so I doubt :P
RobbieAB: NOT the major OS that wants to kill all competition by offering limit inter-operability on it's own terms...
d2kx: so phoronix is still online with all the f5 called ddos going on
Deanjo: Take a look at the many game platform emulators and then dos emulators and qemu for example or the ppc emulators like pear
timofonic: RobbieAB: Are you saying that Linux is the root of all computing evils? :)
Ivanovic: no, it is the consequence
RobbieAB: It's basically how they killed OS/2. Got OS/2 to provide a DOS compat mode that never quite worked right, and than sold DOS to software houses as also providing OS/2 support
RobbieAB: It's basically what WINE is doing now.
maligor: except microsoft isn't part of wine
Deanjo: I really doubt wine is ever really considered on if a title is ported or not. It's more of a marketshare thing that determines if something is going to be ported
RobbieAB: Who said MS needed to control wine, all they need is the ability to break the API on a regular basis
d2kx: ask jade about $application development and be sure to have some popcorn ready
Deanjo: PTC for example, tried for a long time to support linux, they wound up killing the linux release simply because the market was not there to make it profitable
Deanjo: And Pro/E is a product with insane markup
RobbieAB: Deanjo: realistically, the games don't matter, the big prizes are things like AutoCAD
timofonic: Deanjo: Maybe they could support tons of platforms out there with the proper multiplatform programming methodology. There are tons of complex projects that compile on all kind of platforms and being quite optimized, look at ScummVM and others for example
RobbieAB: So long as they remain Windows only, MS are pretty much unassailable.
maligor: they're not windows only
timofonic: Games are losing weight with games due to videogame systems...
timofonic: RobbieAB: At least Maya is for Linux too ;)
RobbieAB: maligor: so what other platform does AutoCAD run on?
maligor: oh.. you mean autodesk, misread
timofonic: Autodesk bought the Maya guys and still releasing the Linux port...
timofonic: But AutoCAD? WHo cares
Deanjo: I just gave you an example where linux support was tried, not a 1/2 assed attempt either. The market simply wasn't there to maintain a linux port of Pro/E
maligor: autocad has a massive market share in cads
timofonic: Proper apps using OCR? Nah, that's not necessary but crappy FPS games are more important
RobbieAB: ANYONE in architecture, civil engineering,...
maligor: Autodesk should be cut into small pieces
d2kx: i wouldnt underestimate the impact games have
RobbieAB: SAGE is another app
RobbieAB: d2kx: ultimately, games are consumer level apps.
timofonic: A really good FOSS OCR engine able to compete with commercial ones and a good GUI for the more important desktop environments is less important than having a port of the latest Unreal Tournament...
RobbieAB: To break the strangle hold, you need to break the hold of the SME (Small Medium Enterprise) systems,
Deanjo: IDK how much longer maya is going to support linux, at least not on the client side
d2kx: More consumers using Linux = greater market share. Greater market share = more business applications
timofonic: Who cares of tons of companies and users able to do proffesional stuff with FOSS like OCR and CAD...
timofonic: d2kx: There are exceptions like OCR and CAD, both sucks under FOSS
RobbieAB: timofonic: people use the same thing at home as at work
timofonic: d2kx: foss != linux
timofonic: RobbieAB: Yes, Windows
RobbieAB: So if work is MS, people will use MS at home
RobbieAB: So to break the strangle hold, you need to break into the work market...
Deanjo: Hell finding a consumer level CAD like TurboCad in linux is next to impossible
timofonic: RobbieAB: If I want to do proper OCR, I need go to the evil OS. Even wine can't support ReadIris or FineReader correctly, they deserve merit but important apps don't work correctly
timofonic: RobbieAB: Yes, you are right
RobbieAB: timofonic: OCR is, realistically, small fry.
timofonic: RobbieAB: But who's going to change it? FOSS is still in a dead end until certain software is available and ompetitive
timofonic: RobbieAB: Small fry?
Kano: has gold status, so why do you cry so loud ;)
timofonic: Kano: That's a lie, it doesn't work in the practice on new versions
RobbieAB: timofonic: small fry == a minor issue, small hinderance, ...
timofonic: Kano: You can''t run the latest FineReader version
Kano: what the latest?
timofonic: RobbieAB: It's part of the problem of workstation and office software
RobbieAB: timofonic: less of a problem than you think.
RobbieAB: btw, which office suite has the best accessibility support?
timofonic: RobbieAB: Maybe, but it's part of the puzzle
timofonic: Kano: 9.0
RobbieAB: timofonic: The two biggest pieces are perception (i.e. getting institutions to TRY OOo) and specialised apps (like AutoCAD, Rhino, advanced Adobe useage, solidworks...)
RobbieAB: Until you can take the SME workstation, you are never going to achieve real penetration of the mainstream.
timofonic: RobbieAB: I see
timofonic: RobbieAB: SME?
RobbieAB: Small Medium Enterprise
timofonic: Yes, wikipedia said it to me :)
RobbieAB: Basically, the companies that aren't big enough to simply go bespoke
timofonic: Yes, you are right. But what do you plan to solve that problem? :)
RobbieAB: I'm trying to get work to switch to OOo from MS Office
RobbieAB: On the grounds that supporting one version of an office suite is easier than supporting 6! (or is it 8?)
timofonic: But despite what other people think, Linux has better specialised apps in certain areas...
timofonic: Well, not Linux only but the FOSS operating systems... :P
RobbieAB: MS Office 2k, 2k1, XP, 2k3, 2k4, 2k7, 2k8
RobbieAB: I *think* that's the full set of versions in use.
timofonic: I don't know about m$ software at all and not care about versions :P
RobbieAB: It is possible there are ones I've not seen yet...
timofonic: In m$ software, I mean
timofonic: Probably, Microsoft releases all kind of inefficient crap for destroying the world...
RobbieAB: Yeah, well we have to chase licences, and check compatability, and...
RobbieAB: And we have version soup to add to the mix, so how to config it can change dramatically...
RobbieAB: I'm hoping to sell OOo 3 as a cross platform solution, as there are no cross-platform MS Office versions
timofonic: "sell" sounds funny in that phrase :)
RobbieAB: So, coupled with Thunderbird and Firefox, that would at least open up the option of Linux on computers in work
maligor: there's ms office for mac
RobbieAB: Yes, 2k4 and 2k8 are Mac version
RobbieAB: They don't exist on Windows.
RobbieAB: 2k1 is also mac.
RobbieAB: You see, MS Office on Mac is always a different version to MS Office on windows.
Milyardo: Yes, unforunately OSX versions of Office do not match up with their Windows Counter-Parts
RobbieAB: And normally lags the corresponding Windows version by a year
Milyardo: That and the differences in the builds themselves are inumerable
Milyardo: they are pretty much completely different products with the same name
RobbieAB: Hence MS Office fails the cross-platform test which I am trying to push for application off.
Milyardo: I've always wanted to demo the new version of Lotus, something about an office suite built on the eclipse platform gets the geek in me really excited :P
RobbieAB: Milyardo: possibly, but I want something that also has no licence constraints
Milyardo: Any news from the StarOffice front?
Milyardo: I haven't heard anything about it in a year or two, it seems to have been eclipsed by OOo
RobbieAB: StarOffice is just OOo with added branding and a support contract isn't it?
Milyardo: Well, supposedly is had more than just branding
Milyardo: *it had
RobbieAB: Yeah, I forgot the proprietry format filters... ;)
Milyardo: Looking at the StarOffice Site, I see the OOo3 mentioned more times that StarOffice itself
RobbieAB: StarOffice is basically OOo with a few addons.
RobbieAB: And a price-tag
RobbieAB: It's designed to keep the "It can't be any good if it's free" type management morons happy. :)
Milyardo: Yeah it certainly seems more like just an Add-on than a whole office suite now
Milyardo: Are there really too many of those left? Not that there aren't people who aren't FOSS still
RobbieAB: Enough, Milyardo . Remember, it only takes one to turn a profit...
Milyardo: like the other day, my director told me that we would replace any Open Source software with Proprietary solutions, where possible, just because he is against Open Source
RobbieAB: So check he finds out about the servers first.
Milyardo: I asked him "isn't that bigotry?"
Milyardo: He laughed and siad "Yes, it is"
RobbieAB: And recommend the most broken "proprietry server OS" you can find
Milyardo: Yeah our InfoSec Officer is really pissed with him
RobbieAB: Also, remember the old principle of IT and Engineering when getting idiotic orderrs
RobbieAB: "Work on it"
RobbieAB: "It's on the todo list"
Milyardo: Our InfoSec Officer spent the last 2 weeks coming up with a ready to deploy solution for a VPN between our Campus, and Ann Arbor with OpenBSD
Milyardo: *ready to deploy*
Milyardo: and our Director told him, redo it with Windows Server 2k8
RobbieAB: So just deploy it as "An iterim solution while you work on the real one"
Milyardo: Yeah here is another good one
RobbieAB: This is one of those moments where you only avoid lying by not saying anything that isn't technically true
Milyardo: He is now working a deal with MS, to make all of the campus's Email services moved Off Site to be hosted by MS in one of their Datacenters
RobbieAB: "it's on the todo list" is true, it's just lacking the qualifier "and it's going to stay there until after you leavee"
RobbieAB: *shudder* Get out. NOW.
Milyardo: This is only 2 weeks after we spent 175k and 2 weeks upgrading to Exchange 07
RobbieAB: Otherwise you will be tainted by the upcoming disaster.
Milyardo: and he wants to give it all away to MS?
RobbieAB: Yes, not unknown
RobbieAB: You forget the "brown envelope" factor
Milyardo: brown envelope?
Milyardo: Ahhhh no, hes always been an MS Fan boy, quite literaly, before he was director he had a sign outside his door that said just that "MS Fan Boy"
RobbieAB: oh, ok.
RobbieAB: What idiot appointed him as director of IT than?
Milyardo: It was a "committie"
timofonic: Brazil meets the IT world
Milyardo: Basicly they picked him for 2 reasons
RobbieAB: I thought Brazil was the one country with the balls to tell ISO where to go with OOXML
Milyardo: 1. He was One of 2 Senior SysAdmins
Milyardo: 2. The other sysAdmin was not interested
RobbieAB: oh dear.
Milyardo: The other Sysadmin was just the oppisite
timofonic: RobbieAB: No, I mean Brazil by Terry Gilliam :)
Milyardo: He was the Linux Fanboy
Milyardo: He's no longer with us though(Wonder why?)
Milyardo: and Right now, We have one SysAdmin/InfoSec Officer left, who is partial to OpenBSD
RobbieAB: Because he had done his stint in public sector, and took his experience to private industry which pays better?
RobbieAB: timofonic: oh...
Milyardo: The Linux SysAdmin, had been with the Univeristy of 15 years, and was a Real hardcore Unix Hacker
Milyardo: The knew the SunOS kernel like the back of his hand
Milyardo: but yes
RobbieAB: Basically, he walked rather than take on the fight he would have if he didn't.
Milyardo: he took his experiance elsewhere and is now getting paid a whole Order of manitude greater than what he made here
RobbieAB: If he took the top job, he would have had a fight with the current director...
RobbieAB: So he left.
Milyardo: No they actualy got along pretty well, he wasn just here too long
Milyardo: Now the BSD guy and the Current Director, they don't get along
RobbieAB: They got on well, but if he takes top job, he's got an MS fanboy as his senior admin...
Milyardo: and the Generation gap between them doens't help either
RobbieAB: Which is a bad sign.
Milyardo: Eh, It seemed to work for a couple years
Milyardo: It's not working now
RobbieAB: Yes, again, neither was the boss.
RobbieAB: MS Fanboy as boss is a problem sign, if he is merely the senior admin it's less of a problem
RobbieAB: got lucky on that score.
RobbieAB: Boss is an XP fanboy, who dislikes Vista, and is prepared to consider alternatives
Milyardo: Oh man, Vista
Milyardo: Everyone hates it, but MS Fanboy made the descion to move to it
RobbieAB: It's a choice any IT guy has to take now...
Milyardo: He even forced the SysAdmin from the CS department to move too
Milyardo: And the CS Sysadmin retired early cause of it
RobbieAB: He's just annoyed CS, which is usually a bad move for IT
Milyardo: 1 semester of admining Vista and he was through
RobbieAB: I can imagine
Milyardo: Thats okay because the OpenBSD Sysadmin got put on the search committie for his replacement instead of our the MS Fanboy
RobbieAB: Doesn't matter
RobbieAB: You still have to hire a Vista admin...
Milyardo: Yeah, but also someone to maintain the (againg) Sun Lab
RobbieAB: Or replace the lab...
RobbieAB: With a Vista one.
RobbieAB: As you said, it's aging...
Milyardo: There's also the CS Departments Research servers
Milyardo: that all run on CentOS
RobbieAB: Can be migrated to Vista of course...
Milyardo: And you don't tell the PhD to give up his linux cluster for a Windows HTPC one
RobbieAB: Than it isn't a departmental admin issue, it's the PhDs cluster, not a department one
Milyardo: As far reaching has his powers go, I think they stop when it comes to the professors
RobbieAB: Probably not, sadly.
RobbieAB: I know the IT people over here would win that fight
Milyardo: Yeah, but hell will freeze over before he replaces our X500 directory with a AD server
RobbieAB: Don't count on that.
Milyardo: AD? At the University of Michigain? wtf o.O
RobbieAB: Remember, 5 year hardware replacement... He only has to last 5 years to get his way.
Milyardo: Yeah I don't think that'll Fly with Ann Arbor though
RobbieAB: The only people who can actually consistently defeat a determined IT Director in most Unis is the finance office
Milyardo: and the Provost
RobbieAB: Forget it.
RobbieAB: The provost can make life awkward, but at the end of the day, he's unlikely to be able to defeat the administration
Milyardo: Well its been 3 years already so he has only 2 left
Milyardo: We'll see if the committie choses him again
RobbieAB: Who picks the committee?
RobbieAB: Ah, ok. Than the provost actually has some control over the administration...
RobbieAB: How unenlightened...
RobbieAB: Positively feudal... ;)
Milyardo: Yep(sometimes too much, they can be asses too)
Milyardo: For example, we had a surplus budget this year, we were planning on saving it for one of the lab upgrades next year, since we are a little short on that
RobbieAB: empty the budget, or you lose it next year...
Milyardo: but Provost came and took the Funds, and gave it the Economics department, who couldn't balance their budget and came up short this year
RobbieAB: The art of budgeting is to ALWAYS be slightly over budget
Milyardo: except now we'll just be short next semester
RobbieAB: Excellent, so you are clearly underfunded and need more money at the next round of funding decisions
Milyardo: and guess what? next semester there won't be anyone with surplus to bail our asses out I'm sure
RobbieAB: The money will be found, that's how academic institutions work
RobbieAB: slightly over-spend everytime.
Milyardo: I'm not management but that seems messed up to me
RobbieAB: A little, but so long as everyone plays by the same set of rules it works
Milyardo: I'm just an underpaid part-time student-worker, despite the fact that I work 70+ hours a week here
Milyardo: I still make less than 10k a year
Milyardo: I don't get opinions :(
RobbieAB: You really should only work the hours you are paid... ;)
RobbieAB: It's fun watching them realise how understaffed they are.
Milyardo: I'm also Sysadmin for the Student ACM chapter here
RobbieAB: has been ordered to NOT work overtime by his boss
Milyardo: I spent 16 hours a day here admining some server, might as well work on all of them
RobbieAB: "It won't be paid, so don't do it." was the basic comment.
RobbieAB: And it allows the case to be made for another body.
Milyardo: This university would fall apart should I stop swapping HDDs
RobbieAB: Or at least that you need to be paid more hours.
Milyardo: because they fill up
RobbieAB: So let it.
Milyardo: no cares, they get automagicly replaced
RobbieAB: The problem with doing work you aren't getting paid for is no one know how much work there is to be done, so you are also depriving the rest of the IT team of money
RobbieAB: And probably the IT department of another body.
Milyardo: Most likely
Milyardo: Though I'm sure MS Fan Boy Won't see it that way
michaellarabel: Let the countdown begin :D
Ivanovic: sprints to the fridge to get teh champaign out
Ivanovic: (or am i too early?)
Ivanovic: 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
bkero: campaigns your ass.
RobbieAB: Ivanovic: I prefer champagne ;)
Ivanovic: prefers cuba libre
bkero: prefers tu madre
Milyardo: has partied hard all morning
Milyardo: and still doens't know why we are partying today
michaellarabel: Milyardo: Well, for what kind of news does Phoronix usually always break first?
Ivanovic: that microsoft gets a new OS out soon?
Ivanovic: or that a new alpha leaked?
michaellarabel: Yes, we're celebrating today for Windows 7 Beta release
michaellarabel: AMD Releases Open-Source R600/700 3D Code - http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=13322
maligor: oh, nice
maligor: This document contains register information for AMD R6xx series processors (HD2400, HD2600, HD2900 series chips).
maligor: I wonder if it's that
maligor: can't remember
maligor: I guess not?
maligor: ancient date stamps
maligor: those must've been the mode setting stuff
Milyardo: michaellarabel: with the DRM code samples, do you think now KMS for ATi cards can hit mainline in time for 2.6.29?
michaellarabel: Milyardo: No
Milyardo: It is because these Code Samples used EXA instead of UXA?
michaellarabel: No, it's mostly to do with GEM/TTM memory management and the work that's still left.
PetoKraus: umm i'm confused now
PetoKraus: radeon HD 3200 IGP is.... 780G chipset, but which graphics serie?
d2kx: don't be confused, just get a nice cup of tea and wait for a news that includes something like "you are now able to do KMS fun"
PetoKraus: i don't care about KMS
Kano: hi d2kx
d2kx: hey Kano
PetoKraus: that much
Kano: you can not use kms when you want to use fglrx anyway
PetoKraus: i'm just asking which chipset it is
d2kx: KMS is pretty nice, you can try it out with R500 + F10
Kano: a bad one ;)
d2kx: 780G = RS600
PetoKraus: RS780 according to wiki...
d2kx: well, its based on R6xx as far as i know
PetoKraus: okay, it's newer than R500
PetoKraus: that's for sure - meaning, i most probably won't get any 3D Mesa Goodness out of -ati or -radeonhd drivers now
Kano: whow about a new nvidia onboard vga?
Kano: well i think you can use it already
d2kx: not before april
Kano: those onboard chips are usually based on older series
PetoKraus: i'm just considering to buy a lappy with that chipset
Kano: i know some really bad examples
PetoKraus: go on?
Kano: as long as you want to use oss drivers you might be lucky
PetoKraus: AFAIK, AMD 780g is much better than anything Intel has to offer
PetoKraus: and I'm nae gonnae touch nvidia shite, man! :P
Kano: depends on view
PetoKraus: that was of a drunken scotsman ;)
Kano: when you get intel centrino
Kano: then you get a working wlan card usually too
PetoKraus: :) yes, that's true
d2kx: an IGP isnt made for powerful 3d and therefore there shouldnt be a need for closed source sh*t
PetoKraus: well, I want to get AMD Puma - based laptop
PetoKraus: just because I want to...
d2kx: the mesa/opengl1 code is enough for desktop effects, opensource games like xmoto and warzone etc. so a 780g will be a nice solution for the open source desktop in april or so
PetoKraus: laptop ^^
PetoKraus: why do you keep saying april?
d2kx: because bridgman talks about ~april for that kind of 3d support for r6xx/r7xx
PetoKraus: sauce, pl0x?
d2kx: read the newest phoronix article. michael states that bridgman assumes april
PetoKraus: that happens when you ask before finishing reading
PetoKraus: i'm halfway trough :D
d2kx: the fun starts on page 2 only
PetoKraus: ooh i see
PetoKraus: umm, i see only -radeonhd getting the DRM, how about -ati?
d2kx: why not use radeonhd? but yeah, ati will probably get it soon
PetoKraus: well, on R500 i get better performance with -ati...
PetoKraus: Mobility Radeon X1400
d2kx: Kernel? Xserver? Mesa? Are you sure you're using EXA?
d2kx: Radeon/RadeonHD versions?
PetoKraus: 2.6.28; 7.4
PetoKraus: and yes, i'm using EXA
PetoKraus: i tried three months ago, though, maybe something had changed
d2kx: Xserver 1.4 or 1.5
PetoKraus: i always mistake xserver and xorg ;)
PetoKraus: -ati is 6.9.0-6
PetoKraus: -radeonhd would be 1.2.4-1
PetoKraus: i may try now....
d2kx: well with latest git goodness (with xserver 1.6 probably being the biggest change) you'll easily have a 2x better performance with 2d, even faster when using composite. if you're curious you can download the ubuntu 9.04 alpha 2 and try it out
PetoKraus: no thank you, no ubuntu ;)
PetoKraus: i don't game, i can wait
d2kx: i am talking about dling an .iso and putting it on a usb drive to boot it in live mode
d2kx: nothing wrong with ubuntu then
PetoKraus: too much hassle for me ;) but thanks
PetoKraus: i'm gonna check, maybe i just suck
d2kx: with the latest goodness youll hardly notice any difference between using composite (aka compiz/kwin) or without... or using Windows
PetoKraus: i'm gonna try now
bkero: Bahaha http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll174/1974datsun260z/scooter.jpg
Milyardo: must now play the entire The Pillows discography while thinking about how ras he would be if he owned that Vespa
PetoKraus: i tried radeonhd
PetoKraus: and i know that glxgears is not best benchmark
PetoKraus: but exa or not, radeonhd gives me 132 fps while ati gives me 1000
maligor: heh, curious, the r600 demo even has endianness considerations
maligor: finding a big-endian system with ati r600 might be tricker tho
Kano: PetoKraus: did you enable dri? it is off by default
Kano: add Option "DRI"
Kano: to your device section
bkero: maligor: They made R600 AGP devices, didn't they?
maligor: I think they're all native pci-e
maligor: there are bridged ones tho
bkero: AGP is backwards-compatible with PCI, meaning I can put that card in an EFIKA or something. :P
maligor: but I have a arm device that's capable of BE mode and has pci-e
maligor: it's just... well..
bkero: Also all current-gen consoles are big endian.
maligor: I'll have to test the demo's a bit tomorrow, heh
RobbieAB: Would you get much benefit from a modern GPU in an EFIKA?
maligor: someone's had lots of fun writing the state tests
bkero: h8 unit tests
maligor: 200 times STATE_TEST(,[probably test mode?], [long description])
maligor: STATE_TEST ( , VGT_OUT_INDX_BUSY , "If set, the Output Index block within the VGT is busy");
maligor: writing them must've been torture
maligor: or even copying
RobbieAB: Use a script to generate...
maligor: you might end up using more writing that if it's a complex doc tho
bkero: Sounds like intern bitch work
bkero: for i in `cat states`; do echo STATE_TEST( , $i )... >> tests.c; done
bkero: wishes it were that easy
maligor: if they're xml documents you could just use a xslt ;)
maligor: probably were written in blocks tho
maligor: pretty much chunked into specific system tests
PetoKraus: Kano: thanks for tip, will try
bkero: http://img.waffleimages.com/f4921dde4c9efe1cfd0faa6bad7789aaabfb6d61/164181_hottailpipe_1.jpg :(
maligor: that doesn't look like heat damage
maligor: rather like someone splashed a lot of acid on it or something
PetoKraus: Kano: it helped a bit, but still, 350 v 1000 fps; and the performance in nexuiz is much different as well
maligor: PetoKraus, how different?
PetoKraus: well, the one using -radeonhd sucks, the one using -ati works pretty well
maligor: maybe it doesn't enable pageflipping or something like that
PetoKraus: we're talking 10 vs 40 fps here, roughly
Kano: PetoKraus: maybe you need a newer snapshot
PetoKraus: Kano: i'll just wait for new release and check both again
Kano: no problem to build from git at all
PetoKraus: i know
PetoKraus: i just don't need to
Kano: did you use 1.2.4?
Kano: well just use radeon then
PetoKraus: yep ;)
PetoKraus: i stopped gaming almost totally, so... no hassle
PetoKraus: i know i'll begin again when it works, so, the longer it takes, the better for me in the end
Kano: just buy a console for gaming ;)
maligor: mm, didn't know the cards could eat 32bit per channel integer formats
PetoKraus: Kano: i'm planning on buying a new video camera, so that'd be a no
PetoKraus: every £ is good these days
PetoKraus: € is even better :P
bkero: just got 2 new cameras. They're awesome.
Kano: well uk with £ seems to have lost ;)
maligor: videocameras are boring
bkero: I inherited a Pentax K1000 yesterday, and got a Pentax K100D on woot last week.
maligor: I have a EOS 40D myself
PetoKraus: maligor: well, yes, but there are things which you can't do with camera
PetoKraus: i've got just a Canon Powershot S3 IS... it's enough for me
maligor: something it can't do
PetoKraus: video? like, proper video?
Kano: hd video?
maligor: no, I mean stuff like high dof
maligor: or real macro photography
PetoKraus: hehe yeah, but i'm not an artist
maligor: there's some weird formats in these register lists
maligor: FMT_3_3_2... 3bit, 3bit, 2bit?
maligor: it does give you a byte tho
Kano: i use that for vnc , called bgr233 there ;)
maligor: 4 shades of blue eh