timofonic: Hi
timofonic: Anyone alive?
timofonic: I have a suggestion... an article explaining in a clear way about KMS, GEM, Gallium3D and upcoming hot Xorg stuff related to that :D
timofonic: Please someone ban Jade
timofonic: PLEASE
timofonic: (from forums)
Xemanth: any time soon Ubuntu 8.10 versus OpenSuse 11.1 stable article ?
maligor: The Giant Chameleon VS The African Dudes in a Ring
maligor: Debian wins! :P
EvilGuru: Does video playback work with ATI drivers? I have an HD4850 and can't get either mplayer or totem to play a DVD without awful tearing. Vsync is enabled in the driver ("on unless the application specifies otherwise" as "always on" gets me 8,000 FPS in GLX gears). I know there were some issues with the ATI drivers, but...
Ivanovic: EvilGuru: those "8000 fps" say nothing
Ivanovic: it is just synced to your screen speed, so do not care about those number
Ivanovic: they don't mean that games are in fact slower
Ivanovic: and the tearing is there eg on my laptop with intel graphics, too (since there is no vsync for Xv either)
redeeman: i think intel has made some hack to fix tearing?
redeeman: i know radeon has
EvilGuru: Ivanovic: Well, with "on unless application specifies otherwise" I get flat 60 FPS
EvilGuru: Usually the GL swap buffers command will block (hence why glxgears gets 60 FPS) until the buffers can be swapped in the vertical blanking interval
Ivanovic: redeeman: but those hacks are not in the official releases (for intel)
EvilGuru: Plus, with vsync always on I *do* get tearing in GL applications (namely Warzone 2100 and glxgears)
EvilGuru: But why mplayer tears, I am unsure, as it should get vsync (unless it asks not to have it, which is silly)
EvilGuru: Might have to get my old 7900GTX out of the box when I want to watch a DVD, sad really, as the 4850 is a much better card
redeeman: EvilGuru: im talking the "radeon" driver.. not fglrx
EvilGuru: Ah, I am using fglrx
EvilGuru: Might have to report a bug regarding vsync not working properly, as it is something of a show-stopper
redeeman: lol they know
EvilGuru: Wouldn't it be a better idea to render everything into a back buffer and then swap that in the VBI? Rather than having application specific vsync and no vsync for non-GL/Xv apps?
Ivanovic: EvilGuru: uhm, are you sure you have selected opengl as output method?
Ivanovic: there is no way for vsync with Xv (at least with fglrx) at the moment
EvilGuru: Well, Xv was never that important to me, -vo gl and -vo gl2 is what I tried
Ivanovic: prefers well working Xv
Ivanovic: though it is not perfectly working so far with fglrx
EvilGuru: The functionality can be emulated using shaders
Ivanovic: that is: in tvtime the scaling options do not work as they should...
Ivanovic: (as in the picture is rescaled when you select 16:10 displaying instead of cutting the top and buttom off (as it was with "real" hardware Xv with my old 9800pro and the open drivers))
EvilGuru: ran open drivers on his 9800 pro
Ivanovic: with fglrx (on my 3850) the image is just jolted
EvilGuru: Then I went to the other side of the pond for a bit, read some rave reviews about the 4850 and so picked up one
Ivanovic: so the borders are still visible, basically completely wrong behavior for that situation
EvilGuru: However, I can't say I'm all that impressed, my X3100 (OS X) beats it FPS wise in several text-book GL examples and vsync is a nightmare
EvilGuru: Although I know it is the drivers as opposed to the hardware, so I am ever hopeful
michaellarabel: Anyone have experience with libming?
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: could you please run a force update on the pts git?
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: Done. With the new SWF renderer in there partially
Ivanovic: ah, now updating finally works again
Ivanovic: ;)
Milyardo: 'lo Deanjo
Deanjo: howdy