Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-12-22
bkero: Anybody feel like upgrading me to first class for my flight in a few hours? After all, I am a first class asshole.
qaridarium: bkero: are you seriös ?
bkero: qaridarium: Why not?
qaridarium: bkero: its simpel first class has more CO2 polution becource more room is less humans to transport and the chears are more in wight.. so you are not an human frendly man if you travel in the first class section
Deanjo: pulls out a calculator to count the spelling mistakes in that last sentence posted
qaridarium: Deanjo: yes my english is bad i know..
bkero: qaridarium: An upgrade to first class means there would be an available seat in first class, and then an available seat in coach afterwards.
Deanjo: Just given ya a hard time qaridarium
bkero: If I had outright bought a ticket to First Class, yes, I would be contributing more by less dense packing.
bkero: But I'm simply moving from one free seat to another.
qaridarium: bkero: ok thats clever .. sorry i dont have an argument abaut this
Deanjo: At least your not a Al Gore that preaches about global warming and then jumps in a private jet to get to the next speaking engagement
qaridarium: i have benchmark winxp vs wine... have anyone interest in the results ?
qaridarium: Deanjo: yes Al Gore is an Joke.. but an bad joke
bkero: Deanjo: You're right. I ride a bike, soon to be electrified!
Deanjo: And that's about all I'll say about global warming. To long and cold of a night to get into that debate
qaridarium: bkero: i live in an full featuret LOW CO2 house.. with 60K€ Solarpannels on the rof and a Cogeneration (also combined heat and power, CHP Power station in the house... and LED and fluorescent lamps everywere :)
bkero: What is 60KEUR in watts?
bkero: and what is a CHP power station?
qaridarium: 11 Kwp
bkero: Damn. That's a lot of watts.
bkero: My ex girlfriend had half of that, and she used it to power the entire house, charge two electric vehicles, and still got a CHECK from PG&E at the end of the year.
bkero: (for being a net producer to the grid)
qaridarium: and the Efficiency is 20% higest comerial
Deanjo: 's sled dogs got you both beat
qaridarium: KW-PEak not KW
bkero: It all depends on time of day, etc
qaridarium: its means its the Theory of the max in the labotory.. but yes its much entrue
bkero: Are you filling batteries, or tied into the grid?
ass_: re qaridarium here
ass_: sorry conection loss
ass_: bkero: we only tied into the grid we do not use it by self.. our our CHP is for self using....
bkero: You use it at night, when your solar cells aren't generating anything?
ass_: our CHP hase 90% Efficiency und runs on Natural gas
ass_: bkero: CHP is on first selfuse and if more we tied into the grid.. and the solarpannels are direktly on the grid
bkero: Yea, that's what my ex was running.
ass_: the best technologie ever.. 90%
ass_: our chp has 5,5Kw
bkero: We used it to run heated water through the house, then heated a covered hot tub with it.
bkero: Where did you pick up your LED lighting? I've found it to be hideously overpriced.
ass_: and we cann use it as a "Emergency power system" if we lost power on the grid.. so if all going down in the Town.. Our House have no effekt Lignts the town
ass_: bkero: yes its overprices and the china multi LEDs are gong down faster than a normal one..
bkero: $30 60-watt equivalent bulbs :/
bkero: Emergency power system = batteries?
ass_: bkero: the only good LEDs are the one with only 1 LED in a Lamp Singlepoint LED 5w or 3w.. not multipoint multi led systms.. the multipoint systems going down badly becourse of engergie lag to the porest led ons and overheating the "smalest point" the best LED kills the worst one in the multipoint systems..
ass_: no CHP
ass_: 5,5Kw "generators,"
ass_: our chp is an generator
bkero: So you have a 5.5kw natural gas generator in addition to 11kw of solar panels
ass_: bkero: i buy the last one on ebay 5w ones linge LED Gu-10 spots but the price is high 33€
ass_: yes.. whe habe 11kwp on solar and 5,5 on natural gas
ass_: so if we have a big problem we make a insle system by puling an diesel generator in the system the CHP one stands by side of this and the Solar pannels Fires in the same hole
ass_: bkero: i think thats the best one http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=170281131125
bkero: ass_: You must have a big house. :)
ass_: bkero: we realy want a Air Power system to..
bkero: An america(especially California) we have small houses
ass_: bkero: not realy.. 450m²
ass_: the diverend on the solar system is the chap ones only have 7 % to 14% effektivnes... our panels have 20%
ass_: so more power on the litle room
ass_: in the future we want buy an elektric car to use our own power to drive :)
bkero: IIRC we used a 2x4 grid of 800 watt 14% panels
bkero: Charged a Corbin Sparrow and 2 Kewet L-JET 3's.
ass_: i like elektric cars very much
bkero: I've built electric cars before.
ass_: but no chance to get one in germany :(
bkero: They're fun and simple.
bkero: Build one!
ass_: in germany.. you don't have any chance
ass_: do you know TÜV ?
ass_: its the goverment organisation of car standart savety
ass_: so only mass produktions cars have a chance to becom legal..
ass_: an single TÜV car const 50 000€ only the check
ass_: and you need to build 3 and crash 2 of them
ass_: realy i do not make a joke
ass_: so in germany we have the savest cars in the world..
ass_: but no own buld cars
bkero: My car is very unsafe. I don't care.
bkero: ass_: But you can still ride a motorcycle. Are motorcycles safe if you crash them?
ass_: TÜV is like an Certification mark.. to make the cars legal to drive..
ass_: thats all bullshit
ass_: bullshit everywere
ass_: motorcycle have fully TÜV certification mark in germany.. but every cheap selfbuildet elektrik car is saver
bkero: Germany has fucked up laws
ass_: bkero: germany is so fuckt up
ass_: you know.. elektrik engine do not need a brake becourse of regeneration breek of the engine the engines breacks if the computer is good..
ass_: in germany.. we have laws.. that a car needs 2 break systems
ass_: no not 1 break system and the elktric engine break no... e cars need 3 ones
ass_: so thats laws makes the e-cars in germany havy in wight and limits the range
ass_: so you know a elektrik car needs no "Clutch" becourse no Transmission is needed...
ass_: but the law and TÜV in germany says... a "Clutch" is needet.-.
ass_: so more waigt more steel and less range for a elektrik car
ass_: bkero: the Corbin Sparrow looks funny :)
bkero: I've driven it 80mph
ass_: bkero: is L-JET a HHO modifikation of an normal car ?
ass_: bkero: the only one what you can do in germany is buy a bad e-car and put an better Batterie in it. ..
bkero: L-JET is a production electric car.
ass_: i do not found anythink abaut this car in Google *G*
ass_: but yes nice :)
ass_: you are a nice guy to :)
ass_: what kind of batteris do you use ?
ass_: i think i know the best ones
bkero: For that we used NiCad Aircraft batteries
bkero: 6V, 15Ah. 96 of them
ass_: mmh i think nerly the worst ons... only acid batteries are more worst
bkero: 288V to drive an Advanced DC 8" shaft motor, with a Curtis controller.
ass_: in Europa the parlament has verbitten the nicd cells
bkero: But still allow lead-acid.
ass_: and nicd only have 60wh/kg
ass_: yes nicd are better than lead-acid
ass_: but do you know abaut highampere-nimh cells ?
ass_: or ZEBRA cells ?
bkero: Are they different than standard NiMH cells?
bkero: Yea, I've seen ZEBRAs
ass_: Molten salt battery..
ass_: bkero: yes·..
ass_: bkero: there is a diverend..
ass_: you can charg it up in 1h and you have more Amperes than a nicd
ass_: this typs ca 1C charch..
bkero: Most LiFePO4's can do 1C discharge and charge too
ass_: so if you have a 1,2V 10A cell you can Pump it up in 1C in other worts 1,4h
ass_: yes lifepo4 is an other storry.
ass_: the storry is nimh are compatible with the nicd ones
ass_: bkero: forget the ithium iron phosphate batterys... bad only 80-90wh/kg !!!!
ass_: Nimh hase 90wh/kg to!
bkero: But cheaper and denser.
ass_: i do not bellive sorry..
bkero: Also no memory problem as NiMH
bkero: And more cycles
ass_: the only lithium one thats rocks.. are an other one..
bkero: Voltage curves on lithiums are also slightly better
ass_: that one is the King of Pop... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_sulfur_battery
ass_: nimh has no memory effekt..
bkero: But they still have voltage depletion, the same as NiCad's.
ass_: bkero: the Lithium-ion polymer battery has 180wh/kg.. but risk on low temperatures und explosives *G*
bkero: Low temperatures aren't much of a problem if it's garaged, and I'm not worried about them exploding. :P
ass_: bkero: in german you mean that one http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel-Metallhydrid-Akkumulator#Batterietr.C3.A4gheitseffekt
bkero: Lazy batery, must be completely discharged every so often, yes.
ass_: but there stands that the effekt are nonsence besource only minimal less than 1%
ass_: bkero: nimh do not have the problem
bkero: Small effect. They can be damaged by overcharging and improper storage too.
GNU\colossus: is there anything special you're supposed to do when un-hotplugging a sata disk, other than unmounting any filesystems on there? (maybe running hdparm with specific parameters, or interacting with sysfs...)
bkero: NiMHs are good, but energy density for commercial cells isn't as good as Lithium Ion's.
bkero: GNU\colossus: Not afaik
ass_: bkero: overcharching yes thats the only real problem of the nimhs.. so you need a fucking good charcer
bkero: Voltage drop on capacity of NiMHs is logarithmic, yes?
ass_: bkero: i'm not again the litium cells at all.. only the save one are nonsence becource only 80wh/kg.. nimh and Zebra hase more and no explosion to
ass_: bkero: in the german wp.. "was in der praktischen Anwendung häufig vernachlässigbar ist." in english in practis the effekt hase no effekt
bkero: Lead-acid batteries have terrible energy density, but we still use them for electric vehicles because they're cheap.
ass_: and the nimh effekt is reversible.. a good charcer can remove this effekt
ass_: bkero: yes and no.. leadacid only used in bad american GM cars.. Toyota Pris use Nimh cells to start the engine
ass_: so gm ford and crysler are the problem ,,, no real car compatany use Lead-acid cells.. besource more wight and less power
bkero: But cheap completely electric cars use them
bkero: Because they can discharge very quickly
ass_: china cars
bkero: Corbin Sparrow
ass_: yes yes
bkero: 13 Optima Yellowtops
ass_: but leed acid.. cells are bad.
bkero: I've changed them many times before :)
ass_: only 20 000km oberall rance
bkero: Yes, they're bad, but cheap and can discharge fast.
ass_: yes cheap
ass_: but only 30-40wh/kg
ass_: so for an elektric car an desaster
bkero: Cheap :P
bkero: I use 1 lead-acid battery on my bike because it costs $200
bkero: (for total system)
ass_: leed acid cars limit on 30-60km range
ass_: 20-40 miles..
bkero: Depends on vehicle weight and motor efficiency
bkero: And how you drive it
ass_: and the speed..
ass_: if you dive @1 mph you cann cross the world..
bkero: If you drive too slow you can overheat the motor.
ass_: you are wrong.. becource the waigt if the leed acid cells are to high so you need to move more KGs and use more engery
bkero: Depending on brush spacing, you'd be shorting the motor
bkero: Yes, there is a rate of diminishing returns on batteries
ass_: leed acid are the point why e-cars lose ober 100 years again the gas engine ones
ass_: 100 year ago ecars fight again the gas engines with leed acid cells.. and lose
bkero: I don't need the range of a gas car though. :P 40 miles per day is more than I need.
ass_: not realy on that point
ass_: in our cars we need new leed acid cells all 5 years
ass_: there a a 100 year e car with the first cells and works on 120%!
bkero: Yes. Cycle life is bad on lead Acids.
ass_: but no leed acid ... Iron batterie
bkero: But lead acid battery packs are $1200 to replace. Engines are more expensive.
bkero: 5 years = 80,000km?
ass_: bkero: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel-iron_battery
ass_: bkero: our one are normal gas cars.. but with leed acid batterie to start
ass_: Detroit Electric hase build only 3 cars on nickel-iron .. 1 off them work after 100 years perfektly..
bkero: Expensive :/
ass_: and nickel-iron has 60wh/kg !!! more than leed acid
bkero: . Its use has declined due to low specific energy, poor charge retention, and poor low-temperature performance, and its high cost of manufacture compared with the lead-acid battery.
bkero: 50Wh/kg energy density, 110Wh/kg power density
ass_: bkero: in 1900 nickel-iron was expensiv but only becourse of the single build... if you go into mass produktoon iron cells are cheaper and no toxic lead
ass_: bkero: you can buy cheap iron cells made by china
ass_: bkero:50wh/kg is more than lead acid
ass_: so our system overall is an desaster.. lead acid in all normal cars.. and all 2-4 years everyone need a new one... thats the Earth killer nr1
ass_: with real iron batterien you cann use 1 batterie 100 years!
ass_: you save more Gasoline on the staring cell... thats save money so better cells are cheaper
bkero: What is discharge rate on LiFe?
bkero: How fast can a LiFe cell discharge?
bkero: as fast as lead acid?
ass_: faster i sthink becourse all solid
bkero: Good night
ass_: in german wp "Der Nickel-Eisen-Akkumulator gilt als mechanisch und elektrisch unempfindlich. Insbesondere soll eine Schädigung durch Überladung oder Tiefentladung," thats means there is no risk on mecanic and elekteric no to high charching and no to low charching all solid
ass_: bye good night
Milyardo: Good Moorning #phoronix
remaster: good afternoon Milyardo
bkero: cocks his shotgun
bkero: Shoty <3
bkero: I'm hunting me some linux nerds.
maligor: wiggles a jtag around
bkero: guns and whores
michaellarabel: ooo VDPAU coming to Intel hardware
Deanjo: Where did you see that?
michaellarabel: Deanjo: The developer working on it contacted me
Deanjo: Well, then it's only time until ATI adopts it too then
maligor: a intel person or a third party?
michaellarabel: maligor: I believe a third party, I don't recognize the developer at least.
michaellarabel: For now it's just being supported on Poulsbo systems
Deanjo: Well that makes sense since the Poulsbo systems have the more advanced hardware capabilites
Deanjo: (video decoding that is)
michaellarabel: err looks like it was VA-API he was referring to though he mentioned VDPAU multiple times...
Milyardo: .win 12
cxo: 6 jighertz Phenom, now thats what i'm talking about http://news.ati-forum.de/index.php/news/35-amd-prozessoren/196-phenom-ii-overclocking-test-mit-erstaunlichem-ergebniss
cxo: hits gentooer with bkero's stick
mattmatteh: cxo, how many watts is that ?
mattmatteh: must be an awful lot
Deanjo: michaellarabel, new nv drivers http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1882835
michaellarabel: Thanks Deanjo