Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-12-17
cxo: anger steaming up your glasses
kakalto: basis on buying a mobo is chipset, right? And I'm thinking AMD (I find the Phenom X3 8750's are a very sweet price spot right now)... what kind of chipset should I look at, and what brand mobo? AMD790? Nvidia's ones? Great linux support is a big point for me, not worried about SLI, mainly stability and decent performance
Kano: michaellarabel: updated special opengl3 driver: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124813
cxo: basis for buying a mobo is more than that
cxo: you want to look at the build quality, even small things like wafer thickness will tell you how well the board will do when stressed
cxo: glossed or clear coats, quality of capacitors etc...
kakalto: cxo: well, thanks.. sadly this is somewhat hard to find on the internet, eheh. Was wondering if there are known brands that are brilliant with such
gitoaldghrx: I have an ATI Radeon Sapphire HD3650 and I have installed ATI Catalyst Drivers 8.12 and I am getting very slow "window dragging" performance on both Debian Lenny/testing and Ubuntu 8.10. Anyone has experienced anything similar? Some days ago I had a radeon 9600 which had very fast window dragging performance with the same fglrx driver.
gitoaldghrx: Any ideas?
Kano: buy nvidia ;)
gitoaldghrx: Kano: not an option, I have an AGP port and I found only a radeon card. Besides I much prefer ATI over nvidia ;)
Kano: thats why you have problems
Kano: better buy pci-e board + new nv
Kano: the card is even too new for oss drivers right now
Kano: so only choice: replace it
gitoaldghrx: Kano: Are you getting paid from nvidia?
gitoaldghrx: And to tell me about OSS drivers, they were performing much much much worse than fglrx in my old radeon 9600.
Milyardo_: Good morning #phoronix
michaellarabel: Deanjo: Zonker and Andreas have requested I run some barriers benchmarks... Will have them out next week.
Deanjo: sounds good
Deanjo: Suse final comes out tomorrow BTW too
Deanjo: in 12 hours or so
ufoman: could I get some postfix configuration help in here? ;)
mattmatteh: is still not sure what mainboard to get, amd or nvidia
Deanjo: thinks mattmatteh knows what he would say
Deanjo: via :P
mattmatteh: Deanjo, nvidia ?
mattmatteh: nvidia boards are more expensive and less to choose from
mattmatteh: i would like to find one with out the graphcis
mattmatteh: but doesnt seem possible
mattmatteh: they boast sli stuff that i dont need, and i think few do
Deanjo: All amd chipsets now have IGP's
mattmatteh: didnt know that
mattmatteh: ok, but they still have sli
Deanjo: Ya, hybrid
mattmatteh: seems that the amd boards are alot cheaper
mattmatteh: and i am not sure what brand to choose
Deanjo: You can get pretty cheap Nvidia boards too
mattmatteh: thought all my homework on this was done months ago, suck that the gigabyte dont work
mattmatteh: Deanjo, i found one or 2
mattmatteh: but thats it
Deanjo: Asrock, Zotac, Asus, etc all have cheaper boards
mattmatteh: Deanjo, are there any nvidia chips that have lacking linux support or buggy drivers (video too if i get that)
mattmatteh: well, i thought gigabyte was good till i got this lemon
Deanjo: They are all supported well in linux
mattmatteh: i thought there was one that had buggy graphics drivers
mattmatteh: i was avoiding nvidia till now
Deanjo: The 8200's that I have run perfectly fine
mattmatteh: and the proprietary driver is needed for the graphics ?
mattmatteh: and the N/S bridge is in the kernel ?
Deanjo: Yes the blob is needed for proper support
Deanjo: n/s bridge is all fully supported in the kernel and has been for a long time
mattmatteh: blob for graphics only or full support of the chip ?
Deanjo: even the raid controller is supported
Deanjo: the blob just does video
mattmatteh: are you using raid ?
Deanjo: Raid 0 and Raid 5. Work like a charm
mattmatteh: i dont bother with raid on a desktop
mattmatteh: i was going to ask hdparm -t gives
mattmatteh: but if you are running raid i gues you can not
Deanjo: sure I can
mattmatteh: didnt think they worked separatly
mattmatteh: if you can that would be cool
mattmatteh: i did that here on the sb700 and got ~ 50 MB/sec, very sad
mattmatteh: my 3 year old pata does better than that, with 60 + MB/sec
Deanjo: Timing cached reads: 4552 MB in 2.00 seconds = 2276.49 MB/sec
Deanjo: Timing buffered disk reads: 70 MB in 0.63 seconds = 111.28 MB/sec
Deanjo: That's on old maxtor sata 1 drives in raid 0
mattmatteh: thats raid
mattmatteh: i thought you could test one drive without raid
mattmatteh: like /dev/sda
Deanjo: Oh just one drive just one sec
Deanjo: hdparm -tT /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Hitachi_HDP725050GLA360_GEA530RE3Z01VE-part2
Deanjo: Timing cached reads: 4628 MB in 2.00 seconds = 2314.58 MB/sec
Deanjo: Timing buffered disk reads: 232 MB in 3.01 seconds = 77.16 MB/sec
Deanjo: And that's on a "green" hitachi drive
mattmatteh: not bad, i was thinking over 80
mattmatteh: alot better than my ! 50
Deanjo: When I have a seagate hooked up she hits over 100
mattmatteh: single ?
mattmatteh: i have 2 seagates here
mattmatteh: about a year old
mattmatteh: hmm ?
Deanjo: the series
Deanjo: Seagate 7200.11
mattmatteh: not sure
mattmatteh: its in the computer now
mattmatteh: brother gave them to me
mattmatteh: so i didnt have to buy when got parts for new computer
Deanjo: You should hit 80-90 ish even with a 7200.10 series or a 7200.9 series
mattmatteh: Deanjo, that link you gave me, recommends 780g over nvidia
Deanjo: Ya the recomendation is because of open drivers
mattmatteh: yeah, i kinda agree
mattmatteh: thats why i was avoiding nvidia
mattmatteh: but..... bare minimum is working
mattmatteh: and flakey usb and sata/ahci is not very appealing
mattmatteh: Deanjo, i see a few 8200 nvidia boards on newegg ( amd x2)
mattmatteh: any suggestion ?
Deanjo: Working > openess
mattmatteh: Deanjo, totally agreed
mattmatteh: which also why i dont mind using ati proprietary drivers (assuming they work) while waiting for the open drivers
mattmatteh: i was looking at asus m3n78-vm
mattmatteh: Deanjo, i could find a list with 8200, i didnt know if you had any suggestion/recommendation
mattmatteh: or any to avoid
mattmatteh: is traumatized from crappy gigabyte board
Deanjo: Ive setup a few systems with the m3n78-vm for people. No probs
mattmatteh: any wiith 8GB ram ?
mattmatteh: and when ati gets better support, i might get an hd4670 or something
Deanjo: Ya 8 gig is no issue
mattmatteh: Deanjo, i assume you have used the ecs board in the link ?
Deanjo: Ya, I've used one or two
Deanjo: two I think
Deanjo: I tend to shy away from budget brands
mattmatteh: of ecs, asus, asrock, which would think is better or less than good ?
mattmatteh: ok, asrock would be the budget
mattmatteh: but seems to do well with reviews lately
mattmatteh: i was kinda thinking asus or ecs
mattmatteh: < $100
Deanjo: I would go Asus if given a choice of the three
Deanjo: They have a better power stage then the budgets.
mattmatteh: do you use optical spdif ?
Deanjo: Budgets usually can't handle the high wattage cpus
mattmatteh: i have 4850e, i think power should not be an issue ?
mattmatteh: i was trying to build a simple, power efficient system here
Deanjo: yes, I have used the optical out on the MB's for others.
Deanjo: My personal systems don't use onboard audio
mattmatteh: with alot of ram, and decent graphics. i dont play games, but should not crawl if i try
mattmatteh: Deanjo, optical isnt really onboard exactly ?
mattmatteh: i use the optical out to my $$$ reciever
mattmatteh: dont have any desktop speakers
Deanjo: ya it is. Still utilizes your onboard sound.
mattmatteh: just the nice stereo / surround
Deanjo: Mixing capabilites and such are still done on the sound card
mattmatteh: well, i guess i was thinking A/D quality
mattmatteh: for the analog out
Deanjo: My sound cards cost just about as much as other peoples complete systems :P
mattmatteh: Deanjo, if you need it
mattmatteh: i dont
mattmatteh: the spdif works fine for me
mattmatteh: then someday, ill probably switch over to the hdmi stuff
Deanjo: Ya, I've always been a computer audio nut
mattmatteh: Deanjo, me too, with in reason
mattmatteh: i have been using optical out since i got my p3 years ago
Deanjo: Tis the reason why I never buy creative stuff
mattmatteh: that is the sound card on the old computer
mattmatteh: but dont think i would buy one again
mattmatteh: especially with their lack of linux support lately
Deanjo: I've bought one SB product ever for myself and that was a SB 32 which sucked ass
mattmatteh: is thinking asus m3n78-em might be it.... has firewire too
mattmatteh: does ps2 port have to be mouse or keyboard ?
mattmatteh: or are they interchangeable ?
mattmatteh: i only see one on that board
mattmatteh: and i only need one for the keyboard, my mouse is usb
Deanjo: I think KB only
Deanjo: Can't tell ya truthfully, haven't used a ps/2 device in years
Deanjo: Might have to download the manual and check on that for yourself
mattmatteh: Deanjo, yeah
mattmatteh: Deanjo, i havent found a nice keyboard in a while
mattmatteh: so i still use an old IMB clicky kind
Deanjo: My M3n-ht manual says keyboard only
mattmatteh: keyboard works for me :)
mattmatteh: i clicked on compare with newegg, and it doesnt list m3n78-em as having pcie 16
mattmatteh: think that is a mistake
mattmatteh: i see
mattmatteh: its under pcei 2.0
mattmatteh: and those seem to have different audio
mattmatteh: via or realtek
mattmatteh: i think i might actuall go for the one with firewire
Deanjo: Realtek ALC1200
mattmatteh: Deanjo, thanks for helping me with that
mattmatteh: steps away for a bit
cxo: you know what sucks?
cxo: ATi drivers
cxo: just installed ubuntu fresh on a new drive, still no go with fglrx
Deanjo: thinks the best thing that sucks was Jenny McArthy sucking chrome off a trailer hitch in "Baseketball"
cxo: hey, you're blue today
cxo: so much better
Deanjo: Your still green to me
cxo: ahh you're green again
Deanjo: Must be that ati driver acting up again lol
cxo: i swear if i just closed my eyes and randomly hit keys on the keyboard, my driver would be better
SlickMcRunfast: Why is nVidias drivers installer from the 90s?
cxo: Why is your mother from the 50s?
SlickMcRunfast: she isn't
cxo: it isn't
cxo: curses is still actively used for tui applications
cxo: you know what comes from the 90s?
cxo: The ATi installer
cxo: that uses gtk1.x which was deprecated ages ago
SlickMcRunfast: lol at least you have a gui and can run it without changing runmodes
SlickMcRunfast: i just have a TUI
SlickMcRunfast: doesn't ATi put drivers on the CD that comes with the cards now?
SlickMcRunfast: cxo, is your card really new or something? "just installed ubuntu fresh on a new drive, still no go with fglrx"
SlickMcRunfast: so not supported by the driver in the repository?
cxo: the screen just goes blank if i try to use it
cxo: needs a hug
cxo: puts porn to download and gets ice scream