Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-12-15
michaellarabel: Deanjo: Four 2.7GHz Shanghais just arrived :)
Deanjo: K I'll give you my mailing address so you can be my favorite Santa this year :D
Deanjo: michaellarabel, you have another spammer on the boards http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=55281#post55281
Deanjo: michaellarabel, https://jdk6.dev.java.net/6uNea.html <---64-bit java plug-in from sun
Deanjo: http://www.dd-wrt.com/shop/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=724&osCsid=igefvkid9v8p6vbhmftti27hv1 <-dammit ALMOST perfect
GNU\colossus: Deanjo: what's wrong wih it?
GNU\colossus: the fast ethernet only?
Deanjo: 10/100 ethernet ports
Deanjo: bottlenecks the usb storage possibilities
michaellarabel: Deanjo: Doesn't the Windows key work instead of option in selecting the OS for BootCamp on OS X?
Deanjo: Not sure I'm following that question michaellarabel
michaellarabel: When booting instead of the option key in selecting what partition to use
Deanjo: Yes it should work. Is your windows partition formatted as fat32 or ntfs?
michaellarabel: No, it's Ubuntu on BootCamp and it keeps defaulting to that when booting when I am trying to get back into OS X (haven't had this system on in like a month now). But whenever I hold the Windows key down or alt, it's no longer showing the BootCamp menu
Deanjo: what happens when you hold down the X key instead when booting?
michaellarabel: Continues to boot into Ubuntu
Deanjo: sounds like ubuntu overwrote the bootloader
michaellarabel: Though after that, when holding down Alt, I got the cursor and white screen and it's still there, but I am not seeing the OS X HDD
Deanjo: If you boot from the OSX dvd does it see the mac partition?
michaellarabel: Deanjo: It sees a OS X 10.5.5 HDD
Deanjo: Can you set you bootable partition from the menu up top?
bkero: cmd+option+p+r should reset the boot EFI settings
Deanjo: Resetting the pram will not change what bootcamp sees
bkero: I'm not sure if this menu would be considered bootcamp. http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tr/contentPics/BootcampOSSelection.jpg
bkero: Could always try refit
Deanjo: The only time resetting the pram would work is if there is a secondary drive that is not seen
Kano: hi michaellarabel , did you bench sun vs. openjdk already?
Deanjo: *possibly work
Kano: on the same system
bkero: IIRC it does remake the EFI boot tables to match the partition scheme
bkero: chizu would know better
Deanjo: That is what pram resets
michaellarabel: Kano: I am working on that right now actually on another system
Kano: a fast one?
bkero: 'startup disk' is a bit vague
michaellarabel: A dual-core laptop
michaellarabel: Deanjo: I select 10.5.5 HDD from the startup disk on install DVD, but when I reboot and hit ALT all I see is the OS X Install Disc
chizu: starup disk just means it clears the EFI variable that blesses a disk.
Kano: dont think that scales well
Deanjo: Ya then the volume is not bootable michaellarabel. Sounds like when you installed ubuntu you overwrote bootcamp
bkero: michaellarabel: What kind of partition table is the disk using? GPT, MBR, or whatever the PPC macs used(APL?)
Deanjo: It would be formatted as GUID bkero
bkero: Burn a refit disk?
Deanjo: Intel macs will not boot off of APM drives
bkero: knows this
Deanjo: still has access to most of the apple internal docs at his disposal he notices. :D
chizu: "Overwrote bootcamp" ?
bkero: didn't realize bootcamp had anything to do with booting
Deanjo: bootcamp is just a bootloader
bkero: I think that's just apples standard boot manager menu, not bootcamp
chizu: Yeah, bootcamp just does partitioning and such.
bkero: Boot Camp is just the utility in OS X to partition the drive, ask you for a CD, and reboots to it
Deanjo: That's what that picture shows bkero
chizu: You don't need it to boot a BIOS OS.
Deanjo: Bootcamp does partitioning, bootloader and drivers
bkero: Boo camp is just a wizard on OS X, and a little control panel entry in windows. And some driver install once inside
chizu: Ubuntu probably works better if you don't bother using it.
bkero: The screenshot I linked is just apples standard boot manager. I could have two drives, both with OS X, and still use that same menu.
bkero: chizu: did the firmware update recently help with EFI booting?
chizu: No, it's elilo and grub2 bugs on the current generation.
bkero: Get the developers a pony for christmas, that should get them to code support earlier.
chizu: The EFI implementation isn't buggy in any way I've found yet, just the CSM part.
Kano: Deanjo: i thought bootcamp is no bootloader, the bios itself got an update - maybe bundled with the first ones
Deanjo: No it required a firmware update before it was installable on older macs
bkero: I think that was just on the first core duo models
Kano: sure, but basically it was only a gui for partitioning
Kano: you should be able to use hditool for that task too
Kano: or was it diskutil
Kano: well one of those ;)
chizu: The firmware update flashed a CSM efi extension.
Kano: basically you could write your own gui
Kano: a major drawback is that the bios only support 4 primary partitions - 1 for efi, that means 3 to use
chizu: Well, for Windows.
Kano: i dont think it is possible to use logical partitions for linux
chizu: Linux can use the GPT table, so it doesn't care.
Kano: so you can use more partitions?
chizu: I'm using five partition on my MacBook Pro and Gentoo, booting via BIOS mode (as EFI loaders are buggy for the late 2008 models).
Kano: which bootloader
Kano: but that on a primary?
chizu: That's on the MBR.
chizu: As emulated via GPT.
chizu: So yes, you have to have /boot in the first four.
chizu: But once loaded, Linux can see all the GPT partitions.
Kano: i guess so,because until you use lilo grub chainloads
Kano: well i dont think i will buy a mac to try it ;)
Deanjo: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/027/1050027/skywalker-s-lightsabre-sells-for-usd240-000 heh, I wonder if it still had lukes hand attached
GNU\colossus: xorg server 188.8.131.52
GNU\colossus: just hit my repo, that is
GNU\colossus: I can't seem to find its announcement message on the mailing lists
GNU\colossus: "bump to 1.5.3 with a monster EXA backport from git master" sounds promising at least
GNU\colossus: hopefully, exa finally stops sucking for me
Kano: i never texted exa
Deanjo: Kano, you see this? http://www.kdenlive.org/kdenlive-nvidia-vdpau-ffmpeg-patch
Kano: well i dont use that
Kano: but fine that now everybody tries to write patches
GNU\colossus: I'd rather like to see a vendor-neutral API for hw-assisted video decoding
bkero: Everybody would
bkero: Binary blobs are bad crack
GNU\colossus: did I understand that correctly, that VDAPU is indeed an open spec, and other vendors might implement it on their own hw?
Kano: i dont like that vdpau does not vsync and it should be able to deinterlace
Deanjo: That is correct GNU\colossus
Kano: which is not the case. even the test files look ugly
GNU\colossus: hmm, I wonder if it will render VAAPI obsolete then
Deanjo: It's a WIP though Kano
GNU\colossus: at least it's somehow working, it seems
bkero: How is it open?
Kano: well you get the header + doc
Kano: but no sample software implementation
bkero: Well, you get the same thing with the DirectX SDK
Kano: if you like write your own ;)
bkero: I wouldn't necessarily call it open because of that
Kano: You should download pkg1 or pkg2 versions. Remove all previous drivers and header files.
Kano: thats a joke, you can use pkg0 always for 32 bit, for 64 bit you could use pkg2 if you want 32 bit libs..
Kano: on that instruction site..
Kano: michaellarabel: it is really hard to see a highlight in fgrlx
Kano: they introduce new bugs and when they fix em later it is no real highlight
cxo: wonders why they invented the line graph if people still insist on using bar graphs for trend analysis
Deanjo: NWO conspiracy cxo, NWO
cxo: i wonder how much tungsten graphics went for
Deanjo: and a used hockey equipment bag
cxo: damn, i should have bought them
cxo: could have made them write ati drivers
cxo: then i could of just rented them out as gigolos
Deanjo: The senators tried to acquire them but it would have put them over budget :P
cxo: oh Yay Sasquatches or whatever the team is called in sask
Deanjo: Heh, we have no pro team
Deanjo: WHL is as high as it goes here.
Deanjo: lol best nick on the forums http://www.phoronix.com/forums/member.php?u=17910
cxo: Who the fuk is Jade?
EruditeHermit: do computer related prices go down after christmas?
cxo: not necessarily
cxo: If you are waiting buy a new PC, At least wait for the new Phenoms to come out in Q1 2009. That should at least bring down prices in general
Deanjo: That release is actually rumored to be closer then that. According to my supplier I'll be able to grab my 940 before Christmas
cxo: A week before Christmas? Are you serious
cxo: The secretary at factory would have already taken off on vacation by now
Deanjo: lol when it comes to big companies in it, very few actually take Christmas off
cxo: $235 for 2.8Ghz, very nice intro price
cxo: hope it doesnt suck
Deanjo: All reports on the 940 say 4Ghz on air
cxo: suck = a 1 year old intel cpu
cxo: *cough* q6600 *cough*
Deanjo: Oh hell the current phonoms match that
cxo: i havent seen an AMD processor not suck ass for over 2 years now
Deanjo: 9850 = q6600 9950 > q6600
cxo: Just checked some benchmarks the e6600 pwns the 9950
cxo: thats dual core, but on the new die
cxo: e6600 = $215
cxo: heres a 3dmark cpu test, http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/3DMark-Vantage-CPU,817.html
Deanjo: lol, come on 3dMark vantage?
cxo: its a simple synthetic test, it isnt biased (at least these days), and it scales well, yeah, so whats wrong with it?
Deanjo: lol very limited use of processor
cxo: This isnt a 24hr durby
Deanjo: and the E6600 is near the bottom lol
cxo: yeah i noticed,
cxo: but it pwns in crysis
Deanjo: 4339 vs 8466
cxo: fine http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/Crysis-1680x1050,818.html
cxo: e6600 has 3fps more than the 9950
Deanjo: Uhuh take a game that is thread limited
cxo: You know what you sound like?
cxo: A mother trying to make excuses for her retarded son
Deanjo: And you sound like the son
cxo: AMD cpus suck ass these days at the high end
cxo: Kernel compilation http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/Linux-Kernel-Compilation,841.html
Deanjo: OMG, you did not just pull up toms linux benches that are PROVEN to be bullshit with their testing
cxo: that silly $190 Q6600, after 1 year still kicks the 9950
cxo: whatever, if its faulty, its evenly faulty
Deanjo: Where have you been for the last 3 months
cxo: And stop being the mother already
cxo: in the garage? where do you think
Deanjo: Seriously are you not aware of the HUGE fuckup toms did in those tests?
cxo: hey, like i said, if they fuked up, its effecting everything
Deanjo: On linux especially
cxo: so you have no reason to make excuses for the athlon
Deanjo: They compiled on one system the benches and put on another system then EXTRAPOLATED the rest of the results.
cxo: That doesnt make sense
Deanjo: That is how they did it
Deanjo: I know this for FACT!
cxo: No. I meant, that really doesnt make sense
Deanjo: They compiled the test suite, then moved the harddrive from a intel system to a amd system. Then used a multiplier to get the rest of the results for the processor
cxo: "Then used a multiplier to get the rest of the results for the processor"?? wtf does that mean
cxo: ok whatever dean, stop bullshitting, the AMD doesnt suck on just the linux tests okay.. it sucks on ALL the benchmarks window or linux
Deanjo: Meaning they did this "If a 2.3 Ghz processor gets 100 points then a 4.6 Ghz processor should get 200
Deanjo: That's NO bullshit. That is confirmed by the toms testers
cxo: No what you said doesnt make sense
cxo: You said they ran all the benchmarks
Deanjo: michaellarabel, even put in a safe guard into PTS now because of it
cxo: so why do they need to do that?
Deanjo: They did not run all benchmarks on all processors
Deanjo: They also used the binaries compiled with i686 flags
cxo: big deal
Deanjo: Ya it is a big deal. Take a look at the SSL results
cxo: hey Intel PWNs ok. just live with it
Deanjo: apaige and I both caught them on it and they admit that the results are wrong
cxo: I'm not disagreeing with you
cxo: No matter what the test is, or how its done. AMD still sucks balls. Optimised or not optimised, extrapolated or not, windows or linux
cxo: How do i see a histogram of submitted entires on pts global?
cxo: for a particular benchmark
cxo: Intel really doesnt like Monkey Audio :)
Deanjo: or ssl and lzma
cxo: you're just bitter your Phenom doesnt kick ass
Deanjo: I'm not bitter at all that's at stock speeds
cxo: no you are. Unlike your AMD, mine kicked ass when it came out
Deanjo: At the time it was drastically cheaper then the Q6600
cxo: Athlon X2 4200+ the Q6600 of days gone by
Deanjo: I'm not bitter at all, I knew full well what it's performance level was at when I bought it
cxo: i was gonna go for the new 8mb cache model Deneb?
cxo: then i chose cars instead
Deanjo: Doh, looks like I've been taken off of top spot http://h2np.net/pi/pi_thread_e.html
Deanjo: still top in single thread though http://h2np.net/pi/pi_record_e.html
cxo: 20seconds? No linux distro will do that
cxo: you can obviously heavily customise init. but off the shelf, no ways
Deanjo: heh, well I remember them posting Vista's superior boot times before it was released too
Deanjo: We all know how that went in a shit basket in a hurry
cxo: I think i'm going to switch to ubuntu when i get a chance to
Deanjo: What are you using now?
cxo: been on the redhat camp since my first acquaintance with linux in 1995ish
Deanjo: I used to use RH back in the day
Deanjo: Got fed up with having to jump through hoops at that time to get stupid little things like reading ntfs partitions and such that it drove me away
cxo: yeah, that starting to grind me down too
Deanjo: IIRC RH 6 or 7 was the last I used
cxo: i was a lot younger 10yrs ago. i suppose i had more energy to deal with that crap
Deanjo: Oh ya and they took forever to finally support ALSA
cxo: these days, i just want to play jazz and work on my cars. i cant give a shit about what runs on the computer as long as it works, and ubuntu really does for me
Deanjo: IIRC even Fedora 1 and 2 still used OSS when the rest of the world switched to alsa
cxo: nah they had alsa
Deanjo: Fedora Core 1 used OSS for default for sure. Still have it on a vm
cxo: no it didnt man. it had both
cxo: all Fedora had both. Up until recently
Deanjo: Yes it had alsa packages available. But by default it used OSS
cxo: no it didnt
cxo: dude i've used every damn fedora release
cxo: thats just an example of using dkms
Deanjo: look at the alsa-lib version
Deanjo: It wasn't until fedora 2 that they started using alsa
cxo: yeah i saw. odd. I can swear i used alsamixer back then
Deanjo: Red hat never did use it