Kano: hi michaellarabel , i have got an idea for a new gfx survey: the half-life value of the cards... my 2nd pci-e ati card seems to die. even bad chars in text mode...
redeeman: btw kano
redeeman: remember we talked about memtest86 ?
redeeman: turns out, the nvidia card DID cause the errors
redeeman: that card sure was weird
Kano: redeeman: it is not memory, i replaced mem already. when i replace the ati card by an nvidia one all is fine
redeeman: it also had completed corrupted output until nvidia driver was loaded
redeeman: Kano: im not talking about your box here, but mine :)
Kano: hmm
redeeman: the 9800gtx+ seems to work reasonably well though
Kano: well all cards can die. a 6800 gt died here too
redeeman: well.. the card does WORK, only the temp sensor or driver is broken
Kano: now i have got 8800 gts 512, 8600 gt both pci-e and a 6800 gs agp
redeeman: well.. ill say this, 9800gtx+ works as well now, as 6600gt did when it was new
redeeman: so it appears nvidias 2 years of extremely low quality driver is over
Kano: i only use ati for testing now. it is impossible to use it longer with text/gfx corruption
Kano: it begins with the bios logo already
Kano: funnyly i got a free radeon 9600 card, it was sent in original packageing, but when i tested it no signal at all...
redeeman: yeah lol, that's what my nvidia did!
redeeman: i think it was due to heat on the card maybe
redeeman: since right at poweron, it was okay
redeeman: then gradually the longer it was powered on (in 0-1 min) it would corrupt more and more, ofcourse after nvidia driver load, all was fine
Kano: i really run out of radeon cards ;)
Kano: maybe others have got more luck with em, but for me all ati pci-e cards i got (both rv410) are really bad
redeeman: i think generally people arent having those kindof issues
redeeman: ofcourse the software issue is an entirely different matter :P
Kano: i even had to wait over 1 year till the oss driver got fixed for rv410 with the vga port - dcc was never working
Kano: first i had to fix the mesa part, as i got a checkerboard screen
Kano: at that time i used the dvi-> vga port
Kano: that had dcc working
Kano: i guess all major rv410 problems are now solved, at least in git, there was no release with rv410 dcc fix for vga
Kano: but nv g32 + vga port is also bad, did you try that maybe?
Kano: g92
Kano: try oss nv driver and vga port
Kano: no screen for me
redeeman: nope
redeeman: but i can tell you one thing
Kano: it detects a dvi
redeeman: my problem with corruption until nvidia driver loaded
redeeman: the nv driver did NOT fix corruption
redeeman: when loaded in xorg
Kano: well i fixed that by buying a tft and connected that directly ;)
Kano: redeeman: i think the vga bios was broken, maybe you could flash an update
redeeman: nevermind that, it was the quadro, and as you might remember, that card now either has a broken temp sensor, or the driver is permanently broken(perhaps intentionally to encourage upgrade)
Kano: there are sites with several vga bios variants if the vendor does not have got one
Kano: redeeman: didnt you buy an ati card too?
redeeman: Kano: i have an X1950 pro yes
redeeman: btw
redeeman: ffmpeg now has RV40 support
Kano: ffplay
Kano: ?
redeeman: ffplay too
redeeman: i made a small patch to xine enabling it in it's ffmpeg plugin
Kano: real video 9
redeeman: yes rmvb shit
Kano: i dont play that much rm
redeeman: neither do i, but i have a few files, and now i can play them
Kano: but maybe interesting for mplayer as plugin
redeeman: http://redeeman.kaspersandberg.com:8001/xinerv40ffmpeg.patch
redeeman: well mplayer already uses ffmpeg, they probably just need to make a SIMPLE enabling of it like the patch for xine i just showed
Kano: mplayer uses a codecs.conf
redeeman: (which yes, i realize is a TAD bit incorrect with the RV20/40 stuff, but hey, i just wanted it to work)
Kano: did you test that kms with radeon?
redeeman: nope haven't had time to look into such stuff yet
redeeman: im guessing you could easily add ffmpeg rv40 into mplayer with codecs.conf
Kano: sure, but i dont have got that media
redeeman: well :P just saying in case someone needs it
Kano: i guess next xine will have it then too
redeeman: probably, it's just a matter of activating it in ffmpeg :P
Kano: is wmv audio full supported now? that was always problematic because the win32 codec was always out of sync
redeeman: you only need the dll for the wma pro thing, and wma lossless(maybe?)
redeeman: standard wma has been fully supported for years
Kano: well usually it is the pro variant
redeeman: (which is what pretty much ALL wmv/asf files uses)
GNU\colossus: [12:16:13] ffmpeg now has RV40 support - what's the impact of that, if I may ask?
Kano: when you get those wmv hd dvds
redeeman: GNU\colossus: you can play crappy realvideo 9 files
Kano: i have a few of em
Kano: because i do not own blueray
GNU\colossus: so RV40 is not a GPU codename?
redeeman: well.. probably not, i believe you mean NV40
Kano: RV410 would be one ;)
GNU\colossus: yeah... very confusing ;)
GNU\colossus: is RV40 sth. like Real's fourCC?
GNU\colossus: (or whatever that data chunk was called)
redeeman: probably
GNU\colossus: I see
GNU\colossus: well, if it's in ffmpeg, it'll make it into ibavcodec, and then into mplayer, right?
redeeman: it already is in libavcodec, and yes
redeeman: (libavcodec from svn/git that is)
GNU\colossus: that's very good news indeed
redeeman: my guess is that it will be of no consequence for like 99% of users
redeeman: realvideo files are luckily nearly non existant
GNU\colossus: not any more
GNU\colossus: I still got some flying around though
redeeman: yeah me too
redeeman: and now i will sort them
GNU\colossus: good lord, Realplayer used to be THE SUCK
redeeman: USED TO?!
GNU\colossus: WHAT, YOU MEAN IT STILL EXISTS?
GNU\colossus: ;)
Kano: today most of the videos are flv
redeeman: im afraid it does
GNU\colossus: I haven't used it since 1998 or so
maligor: realplayer for linux is pretty good
redeeman: lol maligor
maligor: no, really
maligor: mostly because it's helix + codecs
GNU\colossus: I'll just have my regular mplayer w/o GUI, thank you very much
redeeman: it's an abomination
maligor: haven't touched the windows version for ages, it probably has spyware and such
Kano: currently most sites use only flash video
redeeman: well fuck those sites
Kano: real is gone in most cases
GNU\colossus: btw, concerning flv: youtube videos are often very much out of sync when played back via mplayer; is that a fault in mplayer, the flv format in general, or some youtube videos in particular?
Kano: good question
maligor: maybe the sync information is embedded in the player
Kano: when you use mplayer you can use xv, that would be better than flash builtin players
GNU\colossus: I don't have flash on my machine, but I think I can recall at least some videos on a windows machine with flash installed where there were similar desync problems on youtube
GNU\colossus: it just boggles my mind where in the chain things get f*cked up
GNU\colossus: if it's at youtube's end, and the encoding process is going awry, that would really suck
maligor: why not flash?
GNU\colossus: hm?
GNU\colossus: what do you mean?
redeeman: GNU\colossus: he asks why you do not wish to install a bug infested giant resource sucking security hole
GNU\colossus: redeeman: ah, I see :)
maligor: Naked Phenom II's
maligor: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/12/01/phenom-ii-920-and-940-listed/1
redeeman: isn't the 920 940 numbering of the phenom 2's a tad fucked?
Kano: they want to fake the i7
redeeman: yeah that's probably it
redeeman: that ought to be illegal
redeeman: they should be severely punished for it
Kano: you can not register numbers
redeeman: i don't intend to create a number registration
redeeman: i would categorize this as attempt at false marketing, and annoyances so severe it merits penalties
Kano: well the x2 value was a joke too ,)
Kano: 3800+ for a 2 ghz cpu
redeeman: if that's going by the p4 comparisin, then it's a very very very modest numbering :P
Kano: well that 8-12 driver without xv override behaves really bad
redeeman: xv override?
Kano: well even with it does not work
Kano: on a laptop with ati card
Kano: kaffeine locks pc
Kano: only ati manages to create that crap
redeeman: yeah, nvidia manages to create corruption in the display, and failure to even attempt to start xv displaying, when using certain features
redeeman: take your pick...
Kano: compared to ati everything is shiny
GNU\colossus: does the new radeonhd release finalyl deliver GLX/DRI for R6XX and up?
cxo: In your dreams
redeeman: GNU\colossus: that stuff has mostly to do with mesa
Kano: i guess thats more a mesa problem not radeonhd
Kano: but i already uploaded 1.2.4 to kanotix repo ;)
cxo: just a man page and igp and pci fix
cxo: tracks git
redeeman: GNU\colossus: don't expect that stuff for atleast 6 months
Kano: this time 1.2.4 compiled against xorg 7.1.1 without problems, but serveral releases ago this was broken and needed a git fix
cxo: yeah what redeeman said
Deanjo: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/013/1050013/almost-half-of-women-prefer-internet-to-sex
Deanjo: locks the wife out of internet usage after reading that
redeeman: Deanjo: i don't doubt it
redeeman: i recently helped a friend get around the problem
redeeman: with the implementation of a very smart, cellphone activated firewall in his router
redeeman: for use when the interrest of him and his GF differs :P
Deanjo: hehee
redeeman: im told it works very well
cxo: dude, its posted on the INQUIRER!
Deanjo: Actually my wife isn't big into "the net thing"
redeeman: i wonder if it can be considered immoral to do such a thing
cxo: WHICH MEANS ITS FACT!!
Deanjo: She uses a computer for what it is, an appliance. Holds no more interest to her then a microwave.
Deanjo: cxo, everything on the net is fact
cxo: yes Sir
bkero: A microwave that displays television, movies, pornography, and games.
cxo: needs to get one of those
cxo: checks panasonic.com
Deanjo: wants to xinarama microwaves
bkero: wants a pornographowave.
bkero: oh shit
bkero: Bettie Page is dead
cxo: new ati chip http://www.expreview.com/news/hard/2008-12-12/1229072147d10842.html
bkero: Curious they're all 512mb
Deanjo: loves how people gripe about something being broken all through alpha and beta releases. Then when asked if they ever filed a bug report on it they say "No"
Deanjo: loads up the shotgun, *clickity* *Click* BOOOOOOOOOOM!!!
cxo: wonders if he shot the wife after catching her sleeping with the keyboard
bkero: Closet cases are always the worst.
cxo: evil monkeys
Deanjo: michaellarabel, if you want a early final copy of openSUSE 11.1 to write a review or something ahead of the release here is a link ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/mirror/opensuse/distribution/11.1/iso/
michaellarabel: Deanjo: Perfect, I wanted to include OpenSuSE on some Atom benchmarking I started this morning. Thanks.
Deanjo: np
Deanjo: The "non-OSS" stuff like flash, opera, etc is now on a separate CD as well.
Deanjo: They did that so they did not have to put a EULA on the distro
cxo: *cough* brown nosing *cough*
Deanjo: is glad he is finally able to test install 64-bit os's now that his BIOS is fixed
Deanjo: Na I just like advertising for "The Best Damn Distro Earth (tm)" :P
Kano: Deanjo: well the live iso has to load then network modules by default in order to boot the same files via pxe
Kano: my own distro can be booted or ubuntu with ease over pxe
cxo: All Linux distros suck
Deanjo: Shuddup Win me boy
cxo: But thats fine. Its opensource you can mold it to whatever you want
Deanjo: I could also see if I could get you into the Susestudio Alpha if you want michaellarabel on Monday
michaellarabel: Any German readers here read "FreeX" magazine?
Kano: well i could read it,but i never bought it
Kano: something special in it
Kano: ?
cxo: michaellarabel, your nick is too long
Kano: cxo: you never press tab?
cxo: its really messing with my tab pane alignment
michaellarabel: PTS is in the magazine, was just curious on peoples thoughts on the magazine, I am not sure that I heard of it before.
this_nick_annoyi: hello
this_nick_annoyi: how does this feel?
Kano: http://www.cul.de/data/fxinhalt.zip
Kano: which article you see with it?
Kano: at least not in the topic
long_nicks_suck_: michaels_nick_sucks
michaellarabel: "
michaellarabel: just to let you know that I wrote a ten-page article on the performance of the various virtual machine solutions under Mac OS for the german-language magazine "freeX". The guest operation systems tested were FreeBSD 6 and Debian 4, so using some of the benchmarks of the PTS seemed a pretty obvious thing to do."
michaellarabel: So the FreeBSD 6 and debian 4 one
Kano: ah
Kano: well you can not see that in the topic then
Deanjo: Now if only Tom's would fix their benches
michaelsnicksuck: Everyone should use the quarter tail of an md5 hash of their MAC address
michaelsnicksuck: lunch time!
Kano: is anybody using nfs with kernel 2.6.28?
bkero: I am
bkero: rc7
Kano: ah
Kano: can you give me your config?
bkero: http://staff.osuosl.org/~bkero/nfsconfig
Kano: thanks
Kano: # CONFIG_NFSD_V3 is not set
Kano: # CONFIG_NFSD_V4 is not set
Kano: thats interesting
Kano: will check that later
Kano: if you have time you could enable one or both and check again to see if that breaks it
Kano: CONFIG_NFSD_V2_ACL=y
Kano: CONFIG_NFSD_V3=y
Kano: CONFIG_NFSD_V3_ACL=y
Kano: CONFIG_NFSD_V4=y
Kano: that was in the config
bkero: Oh, you were meaning nfsd
bkero: I was just mounting nfs
bkero: Yea, let me build some nfs util and I'll try a local mount
bkero: Do you mind if I compile them as modules? I don't really want to reboot
Deanjo: Seagate to cut bare drive warranties to three years
Deanjo: not surprised there
maligor: in line with wd and friends, eh
maligor: probably the terrible pressures from samsung, western digital and hitatchi caused them to cave in
maligor: haha, who am I kidding, probably the 5 year warranty was costing them too much
Deanjo: Ya considering that they introduced it 4.5 years ago
Deanjo: They are probably finding 5 years was stretching it
michaelsnicksuck: crap hard drives
michaelsnicksuck: never buys crap hard drives
michaelsnicksuck: unless i'm RAIDing
maligor: you buy crap just for raid?
maligor: Deanjo, a 10 year warranty on flash might even be feasible tho, as long as it doesn't cover 'wear'
Deanjo: I doubt that until you see windows defaulting to NOT defrag when idle
maligor: well, that'd cause wear
Deanjo: Or they add in the capability to block defragging of SDD's permanently
maligor: flash is just designed to die gracefully with 'backblocks'
Deanjo: Besides, what "theoretical" lifetime on a SSD has yet to be proven
Deanjo: In theory the MTBF on a HD should be around the 15 -20 year mark too
Deanjo: I'll be sitting and taking a "wait and see" approach when it comes to SSD's. I know from experience that the real lifetime of most harddrives is about 4 years. After that your playing with fire.
bkero: has been using a cf card for rootfs on several boxes for more than that
bkero: But they've mostly been in embedded positions, that has a debatable corrolation on desktop lifetime.
maligor: with windows?
bkero: Haha no
Deanjo: My buddy that uses vista is on his 3rd thumbdrive already
maligor: flash just has more stable death
Deanjo: Using their "readyboost"
maligor: unless something goes really wrong
bkero: I'd say flash has more predictable death, because death = too many bad blocks
maligor: thumbdrives tend to be crappy flash
bkero: and that's measurable. The death on hard drives is usually a head/controller failure, which is sudden
maligor: bkero, predictability is important
Deanjo: true, but they have high rated write read cycle ratings too
bkero: Thumb drives are also 1 channel of flash. Most modern SSDs have multiple channels and do parallel read/writes between them.
maligor: bkero, and MLC
maligor: MLC has less write cycles afaik
bkero: MLC has the same write cycles, but some bits are in the same portion of the flash
bkero: *more bits
bkero: There's 1-bit per level. So multiple levels in the same area = that area getting rewritten more = faster area death
bkero: If you're waiting for a single cycle of the first SSDs to crash from old age, you're going to be waiting quite a long time. Most have ~1.5M-2M hour MTBF's(same as hard drives), but Intel has only received 3 documented failures of X25-M or X25-E SSDs.
michaelsnicksuck: which means there are about 300 in reality
michaelsnicksuck: not bad
maligor: bkero, percentages would be more useful
maligor: X25 is pretty low volume most likely
maligor: because it's bloody expensive
maligor: and it's not like intel has the worst QA
maligor: so they probably catch lots of early death units
PetoKraus: ello
PetoKraus: michaellarabel: i'm looking at the Asus wl-500g router... it's got recommendation from phoronix. I am mainly interested in wireless to wireless transfer speeds... you didn't happen to try that one?
michaelsnicksuck: s
Deanjo: The WL-500g router doesn't show it's full potential until you replace the factory firmware on it
PetoKraus: with something like openwrt?
Deanjo: dd-wrt actually
michaelsnicksuck: gross
michaelsnicksuck: Can you actually use an LCD TV as a computer screen for long periods of time?
Deanjo: Ya
maligor: monitors have better resolution
Deanjo: Usually
Deanjo: There is some pretty shitty monitors out there yet
Deanjo: My old man is using a 42" for his monitor
michaelsnicksuck: i'm talking about DPI, brightness, and response time
michaelsnicksuck: can a good 1080 LCD TV match a computer monitor?
Ivanovic: DPI are lower than on normal computer displays
Ivanovic: but if you mount it at the wall and are thus a little further away, this works out nicely, too
Ivanovic: brightness and response time should be really fine
michaelsnicksuck: http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=365150
michaelsnicksuck: XFX is selling ATi next year :)
michaelsnicksuck: Making EVGA the ONLY blue blood Nvidia seller
maligor: we could assemble an assault team and strike at EVGA
maligor: with commando gear and stuff
maligor: ati branded commando gear
Ivanovic: but we got to wait for the specs for those before we can start with the assault
Ivanovic: this could take a while...
michaelsnicksuck: haha ati branded computer gear
michaelsnicksuck: ^commando
Ivanovic: time to head off to bed, n8
michaelsnicksuck: bye
Deanjo: "maligor> ati branded commando gear" Ya and then we would have a good plot for "Blackhawk down II"
maligor: Intel Strikes Back?
Deanjo: Heh not surprising for smaller companies to make sure they have all the basis covered nowdays with the tanking economy
Deanjo: Hell GM and Dodge are just about gone
Deanjo: Ford says they can only operate for another year if nothing turns around
maligor: and now they want to preserve them because they employ too many people
maligor: America, the promised land of hypocrisy
maligor: ofcourse, I'm all for the socialization of USA
Deanjo: Well this all stems from the artificially high oil prices
Deanjo: People stopped buying new vehicles.
maligor: really?
maligor: and not from the fact that the 3 automakers were completely mismanaged?
maligor: they were infact creating mostly crap
maligor: the european models were better tho
Deanjo: hah
maligor: anyway, the whole us economy was mismanaged to run on loaning money
Deanjo: If anything the quality went up in domestic vehicles. That too factors in. People are driving their older vehicles longer then they were 20 years ago
maligor: sort of impossible dream that was only kept going because the chinese wanted to sell cheap crap
maligor: Deanjo, why is it that japanese and european automakers aren't going over then?
Deanjo: is seeing how the prophecies are all coming true
maligor: unless I missed the news completely
Deanjo: They aren't doing so shit hot either
maligor: better tho
maligor: I imagine they're actually making profit
Deanjo: As is usually the case in a smaller company during recessions
Deanjo: I don't think they are making profit. Ferrari and the likes maybe
maligor: you mean japanese and european are smaller?
Deanjo: oh hell yes
maligor: it's mismanagement then
Deanjo: Hell you take a look at the european companies now and they are pretty much all owned by a Big 3
maligor: like Daimler AG?
Deanjo: Ya GM Saab etc
maligor: or Audi?
Deanjo: yup
maligor: Daimler AG just seems german
maligor: and so does Audi
maligor: and BMW
maligor: and Fiat is italian, don't see any links to big3
maligor: Volvo is owned by some american now tho, ford I think
Deanjo: http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=4Yx&q=European+auto+lay+offs&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=news_group&resnum=1&ct=title
Deanjo: It's not limited to US at all
maligor: I never said
maligor: they're just not going over
maligor: or I haven't seen any mention of that
Deanjo: Easier to keep a small company afloat then a huge ass one
maligor: mhm, maybe they should go over then
maligor: but the us govt will keep them afloat
maligor: supporting the corporate empire
maligor: and yes, I'm a vicious socialist
maligor: I believe very strongly in imposing limits to corporations
michaelsnicksuck: highers a better lawyer
Deanjo: BTW GM owned fiat at a time
michaelsnicksuck: fiat belongs to Ferrari man
maligor: Deanjo, yeah, I checked the revenue
maligor: ford atleast is massive
maligor: GM is pretty same ballpark
maligor: Daimler AG is pretty near
maligor: but that's based in europe
Deanjo: cxo I said GM owned fiat at a time. They sold off in 2005
Deanjo: The ford has jag and the likes
maligor: what's the third automaker?
michaelsnicksuck: There is an order?
maligor: there's GM and Ford... and?
Deanjo: Dodge
Deanjo: Chrysler
maligor: Chrysler is owned :P
maligor: Cerberus Capital Management it seems
maligor: Dodge seems a subsidiary of Chrysler
Deanjo: Ya it is
maligor: Daimler AG used to own Chrysler tho
maligor: and Toyota has twice the revenue of Ford
maligor: well, not quite
maligor: 1/2 more or so
Deanjo: It's not only revenue that you have to look at though
maligor: really?
michaelsnicksuck: profit
maligor: well, not all the companies show their stats on wikipedia :P
maligor: so I chose revenue
maligor: I just mean it as a size comparison
maligor: total assets for toyta is bigger too than ford
maligor: damn massive automaker
michaelsnicksuck: Honda must be pretty big too
maligor: nissan ~half ford revenue
maligor: Honda is pretty near GM
Deanjo: You can have skyrocket high revenue and still be broke
Deanjo: revenue doesn't account for operating expenses and the like
maligor: sizewise, the japanese are pretty equal to american
maligor: some bigger, some smaller
maligor: Deanjo, well, I compared assets for all that had them
michaelsnicksuck: what are we arguing about again?
maligor: michaellarabel, Deanjo is trying to save face for american automakers
michaelsnicksuck: haha
maligor: Mitsubishi is probably the biggest tho
maligor: assuming it's a single company
michaelsnicksuck: They do one thing right, make cheap, crappy cars
maligor: they do a lot of different stuff
michaelsnicksuck: Must give them credit where they deserve
maligor: Mitsubishi Heavy Industry does even Nuclear Power Plants :P
maligor: I think it did anyway
michaelsnicksuck: Mitsubishi Chemicals, makes DVDs to DRAM
Deanjo: Largest manufacturer from Japan is Toyota
Deanjo: Which is neck and neck with GM
Deanjo: for #1 producer
maligor: I expect mitsubishi is bigger
maligor: as a whole
maligor: they do everything
maligor: but dunno if it's qualifiable as a single company
Deanjo: Mitsubishi is number 15
michaelsnicksuck: Great so some company in a tiny island called Japan, is bigger than the bigger car manufacturer in the most powerful nation in the world?
maligor: probably the depressing authoritarian society
maligor: germany has had the same
michaelsnicksuck: VW must be the biggest from the fatherland
maligor: started to crumble now along with their industrial magnificence
michaelsnicksuck: VW or Mercedes
maligor: quite so
maligor: oh, yeah, I forgot VW
maligor: that's pretty big
maligor: michaellarabel, actually Daimler AG
maligor: mistarget :P
Deanjo: #1 Toyota, #2 GM, #3 VW, #4 Ford, #5 Honda, #6 Peugeot, #7 Nissan, #8 Fiat, #9 Renault, #10 Hyundai, #11 Suzuki, #12 Chrysler, #13 Dailmer AG, # 14 BMW, #15 Mitsubishi
maligor: really.. vW is before daimler
Deanjo: Yup
maligor: what year is that?
Deanjo: 2007
maligor: I'm sure you realize from that, that it's not really the reason why american are failing the worst :P
michaelsnicksuck: haha Peugot
michaelsnicksuck: they must sell a lot of trucks
maligor: french, meh
michaelsnicksuck: Suzuki beat Daimler? wtf
Deanjo: That's out of a Forbes mag I have here
Ivanovic: while talking about car companies: you do know that porsche basically took over VW?
Ivanovic: yes, they were making *insane* profits...
Deanjo: Ya they have controlling share
michaelsnicksuck: I thought you went to bed half an hour ago?
Ivanovic: michaelsnicksuck: i am famous for my ability in sleepchatting
Deanjo: Of course that was more of a "re merger" really
Ivanovic: and what exactly was measured in those figures?
Ivanovic: profit?
Ivanovic: #cars sold?
Ivanovic: income due to selling vehicles?
Deanjo: Manufactured and sold
Ivanovic: okay, there all companies with really cheap cars are in advantage
Ivanovic: because you sell by far more of the cheap ones than from the expensive ones
Ivanovic: though the profit margin for those is a lot lower, too
Deanjo: Ya well Porche for example comes in at #38
Ivanovic: jupp
Ivanovic: and they are wealthy enough to basically buy VW
Ivanovic: with other words: those numbers do not have to mean too much
Ivanovic: if china goes really big building their version of the good old eastern german "trabant", they might directly go #1 regarding "manucatured cars"
Deanjo: Volvo is #30
Ivanovic: and you should not forget, that there are not this many companies left
Ivanovic: that is: VW owns audi
Ivanovic: GM own opel / vauxhill (or how they are called nowadays)
Deanjo: and saab and holden and daewoo
Ivanovic: IIRC lamborghini is part of VW, too (not too sure with this one)
Deanjo: (hummer of course)
Deanjo: Ya Lamborghini was bought from chrysler to VW
Ivanovic: with other words: there are not this many car companies left...
Ivanovic: (and summing them up is really difficult)
Ivanovic: basically the same as with travel agencies
Deanjo: Ya in reality there is really only about 10 companies left
Ivanovic: there are dozens of names (at least here in germany) but basically only two or three really behind those
Ivanovic: okay, really time to head off to bed, almost 2am over here...
Ivanovic: n8 (again)
Deanjo: night
michaellarabel: Deanjo: Know any other mirrors for OpenSuSE 11.1? My download just stopped, looks like they closed it.
Deanjo: No I don't
Deanjo: strange mine is still going
michaelsnicksuck: strangers in the night
michaelsnicksuck: exchanging glances, wondering in the night
Deanjo: link still works here
Deanjo: ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/mirror/opensuse/distribution/11.1/iso/
michaellarabel: gwget is now returning file not found, but yeah I see in Firefox it's working.
michaellarabel: Err now I am getting permission denied in Firefox
michaellarabel: Looks like I may need to use RC1 for testing Deanjo :(
michaelsnicksuck: If some sombrero is got the iso, i'm sure its more than 1 server
michaelsnicksuck: ^its on more than 1 server
michaelsnicksuck: use the google luke
michaelsnicksuck: Now this is what i'm talking about http://www.legitreviews.com/article/847/1/
michaelsnicksuck: A synonym for "separate"?
michaelsnicksuck: Quick!
aperson: divide
aperson: part
aperson: abstracted
Deanjo: split
aperson: disunited
aperson: sundered
Deanjo: dismembered :P
aperson: sovereign
aperson: abstracted, apart, apportioned, asunder, cut apart, cut in two, detached, disassociated, discrete, disembodied, disjointed, distant, distributed, disunited, divergent, divided, divorced, far between, free, independent, in halves, isolated, loose, marked, parted, partitioned, put asunder, removed, scattered, set apart, set asunder, severed, sovereign, sundered, unattached, unconnected
aperson: is done
michaelsnicksuck: hmm disjoint works
michaelsnicksuck: is bored
michaelsnicksuck: gets out his gun
michaelsnicksuck: aims for michaellarabel really long nick
michaelsnicksuck: shoots
michaelsnicksuck: misses and hits Deanjo in the jo part
Kano: michaellarabel: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124599
Kano: vdpau changes, you have to recompile mplayer
michaelsnicksuck: only if you update to that particular version of the driver
Kano: and why shouldnt you do that?
michaelsnicksuck: Because you're too lazy
Kano: well i installed it on both of my systems, scripted
Kano: i change 3 lines in my script and all is done ;)
Kano: fglrx usually requires more work
michaelsnicksuck: Oh you are so clever!
michaelsnicksuck: And hot
michaelsnicksuck: I wanna go out with you!
michaelsnicksuck: Did you're script recompile mplayer too?
Kano: well nvidia has a script for that ;)
michaelsnicksuck: Nah, thats weak
Kano: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/vdpau/mplayer-vdpau-3219724.tar.bz2
Kano: thats the mplayer snapshot