maligor: cool, my brook+ app doesn't crash anymore with 8.12
maligor: atleast not with stream 1.3.0beta
Milyardo: Morning
Deanjo: Downloading Files For: prey
Deanjo: Estimated Download Size: 1688.24 MB
Deanjo: WTH?
michaellarabel: Deanjo: Only full version of Prey is supported
michaellarabel: no demo
michaellarabel: But that number is actually incorrect, since it won't download the pk4 files from the web
Deanjo: Ya I know, but it doesn't download the whole thing
Deanjo: right
Deanjo: That should be the installed size
michaellarabel: yep
Deanjo: Hmmm the prey test just loads up the play/resume/options screen
maligor: meh, this is annoying, I can only get the brook+ cpu target working OR the brook+ cal target :P
michaellarabel: Deanjo: it shouldnt
Deanjo: Ya it loads up my installed prey game
Deanjo: I can see all my saved games etc
michaellarabel: hmmm did you copy your game files and also your key the proper locations for PTS?
Deanjo: yes
Deanjo: prey key too /home/dean/.phoronix-test-suite/installed-tests/prey/.prey/base
Deanjo: pk4's to /home/dean/.phoronix-test-suite/installed-tests/prey/data/prey-linux-x86/base
Milyardo: Hey michaellarabel, have any plans on pi day? Would you like to come up to a LAN we're having in Flint?
michaellarabel: Milyardo: Probably not, very busy working on most days.
michaellarabel: Deanjo: Is anything outputted when you quit the game?
Milyardo: :)
Deanjo: nothing unusual. I just tried renaming my installed game directory and its hidden directory and reran. It started the game, and asked for the key so it's not reading it's data from where it should be reading it from
Deanjo: *should not be reading it from
Kano: hi maligor
maligor: hey
Deanjo: any idea on that prey bug michaellarabel ?
Kano: Deanjo: which bug?
Deanjo: the PTS prey bug
Kano: just finished prey on linux ;)
michaellarabel: Not off hand, I haven't encountered it. I'll need to re-run it next time I got an available test system free.
Kano: it crashed once
Deanjo: Ya not talking about the game, the game runs fine. It's the test profile that has the bug Kano
Kano: profile for demo or full?
Deanjo: full
michaellarabel: full. Ryan blocks running timedemo in demo.
Kano: stupid
Kano: a bit big for just running a timedemo
Deanjo: There is one bug that I did come across with the game though
Deanjo: surround sound doesn't work as advertised :P
Kano: well i found that too, it kills the game ;)
Kano: but i could not test more speakers anyway
Deanjo: There is already a bug report on that though
Kano: well it crashed while fighting against jen-x for me
Kano: a bit bad, the autosave was at the beginning of the level, but the beginning is really simple
Deanjo: You probably kicked your power cord out from underneath the desk again kano :P
Kano: nope
Deanjo: I haven't played the whole thing yet, just an hour or so.
Deanjo: Good tunes on the jukebox in it :D
Kano: well at least one of it you can play with gh3 ;)
Kano: or frets on fire
Kano: so will try 2.6.28-rc8-git1
Deanjo: wishes Con Kolivas would start doing his patches again
danielbw: Hi. I have the latest catalyst drivers, 8.12 installed on a fresh install of ubuntu 8.10 for amd64. I bought two ATI FireGL V3600's so I can stretch one big desktop across four monitors. I am only able to setup two big desktops: one per gpu, but with two screens each. There is no way to join all four screens to one big desktop. How can I set it up so that i can have one big desktop across all four monitors without enabing xinerama?
danielbw: I can provide any info you need through pastebin. I really need help getting this to work. Please msg me if you can help and I am not here.
Deanjo: LMAO, psystar, psystar, psystar you morons. "According to Psystar, the fruity OS will run code at boot that checks which processor your system is running and shuts down in the event it isn't a Core 2 Duo processor."
bkero: what
Deanjo: That is such bullshit
bkero: ran OS X for a while on his Opteron
bkero: And indeed on a p4 without sse3
bkero: and an atom :P COmplete bullshit
Deanjo: Guess they forgot about the macs with Core procs and PPC's
Deanjo: not to mention the MacPro's and their Xeons
bkero: wonders if support for those will drop with Snow Leopard
bkero: (IE if Snow Leopard will be x86_64 only)
Deanjo: The check is to see if the processor has SSE3 support on x86
bkero: That too, can be bypassed.
Deanjo: Yup, you have to patch that and some apps run really slow because of it
bkero: The really slow ones are ones that actually call sse3 instructions. At least those can be emulated. There isn't much software that makes direct sse3 calls, most of them run sse3 stuff through the instructions microcode
bkero: IE letting the processor take care of when to use sse3
Deanjo: Right
bkero: You should see how slow floating point operations are on my NSLU2, 266MHz XScale with no FP Coprocessor. :/ Softfloat implementations can vary performance almost logarithmically.
Deanjo: heh, I know, same thing on a ipod or my routers
bkero: You probably don't try to run hellanzb on your routers though :(
bkero: It literally takes longer to unpar than it does to download many things.
Deanjo: The old C7 doesn't have the fastest FP on the block either
Deanjo: But that's always been a Achilles Heal for the Cyrix derived CPU's
bkero: But does have an FPU that's not emulated through integer arithmetic
bkero: IIRC some cyrix CPUs were perfectly designed for SSL operations, so much so that they outperform hardware SSL engines like on Sun boxes.
Deanjo: Oh ya if you use Padlock it screams
Kano: michaellarabel: did you notice that you scale a % graph with 115 max ;)
Kano: looks really funny
Kano: maybe you could put in the graph: min,max,avg
Deanjo: A guy I know uses the ssl engine on his C7 servers that he uses for torrents
bkero: I don't think I'd ever see a C7 in a rack
bkero: Although Mozilla was thinking about using them to handle SSL
danielbw: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14346
Deanjo: Ya there are some cheap servers you can get in France that utilize C7's
Deanjo: openCL should allow to bring SSL to a new level of performance though
maligor: Deanjo, dunno
maligor: is ssl parallelisable?
Deanjo: Oh hell yes
maligor: or do you mean a single thread per client
Deanjo: no I do not mean that
danielbw: is chopped liver.
maligor: all the gpgpu stuff I've made are pretty simple
Deanjo: There is an excellent paper on encryption on Cuda out there
maligor: updating to stream sdk 1.3.0beta made my stuff suddenly work too
maligor: for a specific amount of workingness
michaellarabel: Kano: The graphs are automatically generated, but yeah I suppose I could add in averaging/min/max support to that object
Deanjo: https://www.cs.tcd.ie/publications/tech-reports/reports.08/TCD-CS-2008-20.pdf http://www.manavski.com/downloads/PID505889.pdf
Deanjo: There are a couple of papers for ya to look at maligor
Kano: michaellarabel: well maybe add a % option that the max is then always 100
Kano: michaellarabel: could you upload your demo files to a faster server? the prey demo loads alone 5 min..
cxo: heh people want openCL support from ATi
cxo: "They say i'm a dreamer...but i'm not the only one"
maligor: ati has actually said they will
michaellarabel: AMD will be delivering OpenCL support on Linux
maligor: err.. amd
cxo: why dont they do something useful instead? Like write a working Linux driver?
maligor: what's wrong with 812?
cxo: cannot help the blind
cxo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_Men_and_an_Elephant
Roberth: nice, internettkafeer i kina blir nå pålagt å kjøre linux
bkero: Deanjo: looks like I was thinking of the wrong card. http://pastebin.osuosl.org/22869
cxo: i keep uploading 5mb files into google, and it reduced my usage balance by 1mb each time
bkero: cxo: That's google math
redeeman: is it very compressible data?
cxo: 8mp jpegs
redeeman: that would be a no then :P
Deanjo: rejoices with glee now that virtualization is working with a new BIOS
Milyardo: weeee
Deanjo: Had to get the bloody BIOS from some Russian. Useless Asus tech support had no idea
redeeman: do they ever?
redeeman: IMO, all these different manufacturers should have some online FAQ
redeeman: and just zero personal tech support, with one exception
redeeman: people that have proved themselves to be non-morons would be entitled to interactive support from real people that actually knows stuff
redeeman: now i realize that these smart people cost 5 times more
Deanjo: The wanted me to wait until 10 PM and call Taiwan overseas to see if I could get the bios sent to me
redeeman: but then they can just fire the 5 morons they have now in tech support, and hire one good
cxo: So do you need to enter your GMAT score onto the website then?
Deanjo: lol It would probably help
cxo: anyone less that 600 = MORON!
redeeman: you would need some sort of smart test
redeeman: a new one
redeeman: now it shouldn't be hard
Deanjo: Skill testing quiz before getting to tech support lol
redeeman: first question would obviously be if the nvidia driver is stable
cxo: just direct anyone using windows to the FAQ
Deanjo: And the answer would be "more stable then any other"
cxo: anyone using Non-Windows, personal tech support
redeeman: Deanjo: that isn't a correct answer
redeeman: cxo: im afraid there are also a large number of morons using linux
redeeman: partly thanks to ubuntu
bkero: Maybe 'moer stable than fglrx and radeonhd' but last I checked, matrox had the most stable drivers.
cxo: last time you checked it was 1979 ok
Deanjo: heh, http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=54911#post54911 Anybody remember the old Compaq FAQ "Where is the any key?"
bkero: cxo: Last time I checked I was humping your mom. That was ...how old are you?
redeeman: bkero: that is an extremely poor insult
bkero: redeeman: GIve me a fucking break9~ I'm on a greyhound. It shitty.
redeeman: you would publicly admit to sharing DNA with cxo
bkero: I was probably a teenager and had retarded sperms :(
Deanjo: bkero, matrox drivers are in a horrible state of brokeness right now
cxo: shares his DNA with a V12 Jaguar
bkero: Woot lights on woot.
bkero: cxo: Fat, strong, and slow?
Deanjo: segfault hell
cxo: + PIMP
bkero: hasn't had any segfaults on his G200
cxo: but i'm a hybrid
bkero: Slow AND thirsty?
cxo: i'm not sloooooow ok
bkero: What the FUCK
bkero: The busdriver left the under-compartments open
bkero: Everybodys shit is gone hahahahaha
cxo: wtf
bkero: Not mine, I took my bag onboard
redeeman: ?
redeeman: sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen
bkero: We'll see
bkero: He didn't tell it toe verybody9~ he just said 'oh shit' at a traffic light, opened the door, ran out, closed it, and now we're on our way
cxo: EVERYBODY bkero is a LAWYER, HES GOING TO SUE THE DRIVER!! GIVE HIM YOUR DETAILS
redeeman: then how do you know?
bkero: EVERYBODY cxo is a GAY, HE'S GOING TO PUT IT IN UR BUTT!! GIVE HIM YOUR DETAILS
bkero: redeeman: Because I'm on that side of the bus, and I looked out the window at a couple bags scattered across the road.
redeeman: lol
redeeman: you should spread the word
cxo: didnt know you needed to be gay for that
bkero: redeeman: Fuck these people
Deanjo: People are hesitant to take the bus here nowdays after that guy got beheaded by a nutjob on the bus
redeeman: lol
bkero: redeeman: Plus, if I did that would delay my arrival at boston, and I'm not going to be late just because some cunts lost their shit.
redeeman: i wonder what happens when some nutjob beheads a guy in a house
redeeman: will people be hesistant to live in houses then?
Deanjo: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080731.wmanbus0731/BNStory/National/home
bkero: Deanjo: Not just beheaded, beheaded in a fucking horrible gruesome manner.
redeeman: bkero: you think they'd demand the bus drive back?
Deanjo: Ya I know bkero
bkero: redeeman: I think they'd want to pull over to double back and try to collect the portion of their shit that isn't run over by Manhattan traffic
bkero: redeeman: I think they'd want to pull over to double back and try to collect the portion of their shit that isn't run over by Manhattan traffi...or stolen
Deanjo: That's what you get when you don't give out complimentary peanuts I guess
redeeman: Deanjo: that's why im ALWAYS on high alert when im outside my house
redeeman: you never know what nutjobs may be around
bkero: Or are on a bus with horrible canuckadans.
bkero: Fucking french canadians
Deanjo: We the same about the Americans except we hate them all equally. :P
bkero: Deanjo: and are healthy
bkero: By that I mean you have health care, unlike us.
redeeman: did you ever consider to stop wasting money in USA and provide healthcare for everyone?
redeeman: i mean, is it something you EVER considered, or did you consider it, and conclude it a bad idea?
bkero: You forgot that the US gov't is run by assholes.
bkero: So it doesn't matter what I want, because I'll never get it.
redeeman: I believe both of those choices cover adequately stupidity
redeeman: so.. which of them apply?
bkero: Both
redeeman: they do appear to be mutually exclusive
bkero: The poor are completely disenfranchised
bkero: And thus have no representation
bkero: and the people that are in place to govern are assholes
bkero: How are those mututally exclusive?
redeeman: it was quite simple, the question was, whether your goverment ever considered creating proper healthcare, or if they did consider it, and concluded it was a bad idea
redeeman: though i suppose there is a third option
redeeman: that they did consider it, but knew it was too hard for their intellect to tacle, and thus abandoned it
bkero: redeeman: State government considered it.
bkero: Federal gov't did too, and put forth social security and medicare programs
bkero: Those help a select few, but I'm not old or gimpy
bkero: So I have to wait to get old and gimpy, then the US will take care of me.
bkero: Until then I can die on the fucking street.
redeeman: lol
redeeman: "proper healthcare" includes everyone
bkero: An average person will pay $400/month for health insurance in the US
bkero: At college my paychecks are $600/month. That's fucking impossible.
redeeman: i don't know how much of the taxes healthcare is here
redeeman: but as far as i understand it, the united states actually spend more money on each person, on healthcare, than europe does, yet still has abysmal service
danielbw: Hi. I have the latest catalyst drivers, 8.12 installed on a fresh install of ubuntu 8.10 for amd64. I bought two ATI FireGL V3600's so I can stretch one big desktop across four monitors. I am only able to setup two big desktops: one per gpu, but with two screens each. There is no way to join all four screens to one big desktop. How can I set it up so that i can have one big desktop across all four monitors without enabing xinerama?
redeeman: danielbw: fglrx should have some magic option to do that, i think a phoronix article mentions it
bkero: redeeman: We privatize our hospital system. However, it's illegal for a hospital to refuse care if your life is at risk.
danielbw: i have been googling for two days straight
danielbw: redeeman, I wish I knew the magic option!
redeeman: danielbw: all i can recommend is you find the phoronix article, i don't know more
bkero: So you end up paying out the ass for your care, and that debt can NEVER be forgiven, even by defaulting or bankrupcy. And when you die it's given to your family.
redeeman: bkero: i doubt hospitals follow that
redeeman: wtf?
redeeman: is that legal?
redeeman: can family be obligated to inherit debt?
bkero: redeeman: There are tons of lawyers waiting to jump on a 'negligence' case such as that.
bkero: Yes
redeeman: in denmark, the family will get a choice to either inherit debt and posessions etc, or not inherit at all
bkero: So what happens is that these families all go into debt, and regular people have to pay for their care AND other peoples care
bkero: (if they can't pay the debt)
redeeman: but ofcourse that debt never covers medical care, as that is covered by tax
bkero: That's why health care is so expensive here
bkero: That and you need to pay for the doctors second yacht.
bkero: Their first one was too small because they spent too much on snorting cocaine off a $10,000/night hookers ass to afford the 180' model.
redeeman: but don't forget, doctors needs very expensive insurances too
Deanjo: Ya our healthcare covers the cost of the hookers
bkero: In the US, most white-collar employers pay for their employees health insurance.
bkero: So the poor get even MROE fucked.
bkero: *MORE
Deanjo: Man having AMD-V support makes all the difference in virtualization
Deanjo: So nice having it back
bkero: Deanjo: You mean it makes all the different in paravirtualization(as in, possible)
Deanjo: Well just even being able to install a fucking 64-bit guest in virtualbox requires it
redeeman: use kvm
bkero: Heh
bkero: I'm running 64-bit VMs on my first-generation dual-core opteron
Deanjo: kvm needs AMD-V support too redeeman
redeeman: i know
bkero: Xen doesn't :)
bkero: Xen just needs a dirt-old kernel
redeeman: xen is obsolete lol
bkero: Not yet
bkero: Xen WILL be obsolete
redeeman: xen is already obsolete
Deanjo: Still going strong at the moment
redeeman: and everyone is working to bury it
bkero: KVM isn't quite there yet in terms of live migrations, and network management.
redeeman: i know a guy that works at novell
Milyardo: Never used Xen
Milyardo: :(
redeeman: and their main concern atm is how they can abandon xen whilst saving face
redeeman: since they spewed lots of propaganda baout it
redeeman: about*
Deanjo: Plus I still have to use VMWare for windows guest to get proper 3d support
bkero: Xen(and redhat) made the mistake of making all patches against a single kernel version with little regard for keeping it consistent with mainline.
redeeman: bkero: it's not so much redhats mistake, xen was impossible to deal with
Milyardo: Isn't that what VMWare does too?
bkero: redeeman: Most of the xen contributers late in the game were redhat employees, check the chanlogs.
bkero: *changelogs
Milyardo: at least with ESX
redeeman: but they had no choice but to do it the xen way
redeeman: because xen were morons
bkero: We don't bother with toys for work :)
bkero: I don't know if ESX would work in a huge cloud-like environment'. I don't think anybody has done it before.
bkero: They did release ESX fofr tree so people would even consider it though, lol
bkero: Per-machine licensing is impossible with cheap nodes
Milyardo: And Xen would work in a huge cloud like enviroment? o.O
bkero: Milyardo: Amazon EC2 would indicate, yes.
Milyardo: Like I said, I've never used Xen, but I've always assumed it was very similar in capabilty to QEmu
Milyardo: maybe that assumption was wrong
bkero: qemu was staggeringly slow
bkero: kqemu fixed that, and eventually became kvm
redeeman: kqemu didn't become kvm
redeeman: qemu is actually quite fast considering what it doers
redeeman: does*
bkero: A lot of the paravirtualization work moved into it though
bkero: For emulating other architectures, qemu is still the only way to go
bkero: uses it almost every day for ARM development
bkero: Jesus christ, the east coast is like one giant metropolitan axis
bkero: It's like BAMA already exists
cxo: OBAMA?
cxo: Oh BAMA?
bkero: I take it you don't read science fiction.
cxo: read???? who the fuk reads these days, that so 1999
bkero: There's been some good science fiction that's been released after 1999.
bkero: I read after 1999 to read those.
Deanjo: Data retention through osmosis is the new way bkero
bkero: Deanjo: I prefer the hot beef injections
bkero: Fuck this coast9~ there is no place here that isn't crwaling with people.
redeeman: lol
bkero: Still in CT. Fuck this place.
redeeman: lol
redeeman: anyone that can recommend a good usb hid joystick?
cxo: iPenis
bkero: USB joystick?
bkero: I had a good experience with some Saitek models
cxo: Now thats a Joy-Stick if i ever saw one
bkero: Now here's a question, can someone recommend a good bluetooth gamepad that's not a wiimote, and works on linux?
cxo: No
redeeman: bkero: linux has full support for bluetooth hid, so all standard compatible ones should work
redeeman: gah, ill just order joystick some other time then
bkero: redeeman: Well, yea. Show me a standard compatible one.
redeeman: i would imagine practically all are
bkero: Um
bkero: Show me all
redeeman: atleast logitech
bkero: There are no logitech bluetooth gamepads
redeeman: ok
redeeman: well..
redeeman: search yourself :P
bkero: Find me any bluetooth gamepad that's not the shitty bgp100 one
bkero: There are none :/
bkero: I've already looked, that's why I was asking :P
bkero: There's a Sixaxis, wiimote, and bgp100. That's all htere is.
redeeman: create your own :P
bkero: All the third party wiimote accessories(like classic gamepad) just plug into the port on the bottom of the wiimote. The point of bluetooth is to get rid of stupid dnogles sticking out of my computer, but with a wiimote I'd just be moving the dongle from the computer to the controller
bkero: redeeman: Don't think I haven't thought of it. :P
redeeman: i know, unfortunately it's often hard to find quality hardware
redeeman: in some cases it's even easier to fashion it oneself
bkero: Never dealt with moving things over a bluetooth bus befoer
bkero: I imagine it's just encapsulating serial
redeeman: well you could implement it two ways
redeeman: basically
redeeman: it's just serial crap yes
redeeman: bluetooth has different profiles, generic serial, and hid mode etc
redeeman: the absolute easiest way is to buy a finished rs232 -> bluetooth module
bkero: HID mode would be amusingly easy it seems
redeeman: which you can actually get
bkero: How much are those, and do htey operate at effective voltages to go off a bluetooth controllers battery, and will they fit inside a controller?
redeeman: well.. they are probably standard 5v
redeeman: maybe available as 3v signalling aswell
redeeman: you are going to need a powersource ofcourse
redeeman: but im guessing most electronics today for such crap runs either 5 or 3.3v
bkero: wonders what voltage the controllers would run at
bkero: IdeaCould I encapsulate a standard bluetooth controller in it without having to replace all the hardware beyond the buttons?
redeeman: yes
redeeman: that seems very possible
bkero: Er, I mean the standard controller bits
redeeman: if theres some room in the controller
bkero: Pardon me, gotta sneak out. 23% battery on the dell mini, and another 70 miles to go, gotta save some room for when I get to boston
redeeman: :) ok
redeeman: well.. i can probably help you do it, but the standalone rs232->bluetooth modules arent cheap
redeeman: some ~60-100 dollars
redeeman: the beaty is that they are 100% standalone
bkero: Ick
bkero: Might be good for an arduino though
redeeman: yeah and just general serial ports
redeeman: i used one directly on an AVR atmega128
bkero: Nice