Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-12-09
bkero: OpenCL spec is out
redeeman: mplayer -cache 4096 "http://www.gametrailers.com/download/43402/t_trine_debut_tsr_h264.mov"
redeeman: too bad
redeeman: the graphics looks good etc
redeeman: but the gameplay is probably so extremely crappy it's a waste of even knowing that the game exists
cxo: doesn't need no education
bkero: wtf http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/12/09/1459230.shtml
cxo: Now i can write my web apps in asm
bkero: wonders if they will work on my iBook, iPhone, beagleboard, or efika.
cxo: No but it will work on Android, and thats all that matters
bkero: Erm, how? Android isn't x86.
bkero: Or rather, the G1 isn't x86.
cxo: Are you a woman?
bkero: Are you a dick?
bkero: Then go fuck yourself
cxo: Only fags buy Apple products
bkero: You're really bad at being a troll.
bkero: Try harder next time.
cxo: ahum, yeah... go stick your laptop into an envelope. I heard it helps for Apple users
bkero: Clever, although that one didn't make much sense.
bkero: You're getting better though.
bkero: Trolling with silly semi-recent product announcements is only a first level troll.
cxo: Its difficult to troll on something that is just so blatantly retarded.
bkero: No it's not, you just don't know how.
bkero: Perhaps that schooling you didn't not need would have helped you be a better troll.
cxo: You just don't know
bkero: Please tell me what I don't know.
bkero: I'm interested.
cxo: Are you thick? You just did
cxo: gets back to work
DaSkreech: The Video cards have an Audio Processor on it?
cxo: Some really old ones did
maligor: a 'Audio Processor'?
cxo: i guess he means DSP
DaSkreech: I'm looking at the HDMI article on the site
maligor: nvidia and ati cards with hdmi output have a interface to stuff audio to the link
cxo: oh that, yeah they have a very basic "audio processor"
maligor: it doesn't do any ... processing
DaSkreech: Radeon HD 4000 owners can use the audio processor found on their graphics card under Linux.
DaSkreech: quote from the article ^^^
cxo: maligor, it is processing
cxo: HDMI is not raw PCM
maligor: what format does it use then?
cxo: check wikipedia
maligor: Linear PCM
maligor: that's ... pcm
cxo: thats not the only format it supports
maligor: it's just a passthrough device
cxo: it needs a processor
maligor: it doesn't encode anything afaik
cxo: no it doesnt encode anything
maligor: doesn't a 'processor' imply programmable logic?
maligor: not really sure tho
cxo: it will probably upsample your stream
cxo: unless its got its own signaling
cxo: hasnt bought new hardware since 2004
maligor: no, I doubt it'll do that
maligor: it probably just advertises the formats it can passthrough and leaves the rest for the os
maligor: upsampling wouldn't even work with encoded streams
maligor: which is what mostly it'll be used with I imagine
DaSkreech: So it's not an audio processor?
edman007: anyone know of a multi-threaded memory benchmark? because the test suite does not seem to have any :(
redeeman: the memspeed thing has it
redeeman: and ramsmp
redeeman: ramsmp being the multithreaded version
cxo: pthread_create(); malloc(); pthread_create(); malloc(); pthread_create(); malloc();
cxo: theres your multithreaded memory benchmark
Deanjo: slapshots a puck at cxo's head
DaSkreech: Can you burn BluRay on Linux?
edman007: cxo, but i don't want to write it...and i'm unsure how long the thread creation process takes
cxo: maaan! how many times have i told you not to do that
cxo: rubs his head
DaSkreech: slapshots a duck at cxo's head
edman007: redeeman, thanks
Deanjo: DaSkreech, I believe nero for linux has that capability
cxo: DaSkreech, anything will, even growisofs
DaSkreech: ok It doesn't need code support?
edman007: redeeman, ..but i can't find it
monreal: on linuxgames there is a reference to "Overworth for Linux"... what exactly is this overworth?!
Deanjo: Nero announced today that Nero Linux 3 is now available worldwide.
Deanjo: The first Linux application to offer Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD data burning support, Nero Linux 3 has been redesigned to offer ease of use, efficiency, and speed with next-generation disc formats
Deanjo: Nero uses it's own engine. Thus why it is able to burn them
DaSkreech: I remember seeing K3b have preliminary BluRay support addedd early this year
cxo: DaSkreech, its just UDF. Linux has support for that
DaSkreech: Ah ok :)
DaSkreech: That's for data?
DaSkreech: I can't authour a movie for it though?
cxo: No. For everything
cxo: You can.
Deanjo: dvd+rw-tools can burn it as well
DaSkreech: Ah neat :)
Deanjo: Are you talking encoding for bluray?
Naib: anyone ordered X3?
DaSkreech: Trying to spec out a mcahine and I was wondering if it made sense to gt a Blu-Ray burner
DaSkreech: though they haven't had a price drop in oddles of time :(
edman007: redeeman, found it :)
Deanjo: With the price of media I wouldn't buy a Bluray drive for burning
Deanjo: Still very expensive to burn
cxo: cheaper than hard disks
DaSkreech: I managed to find a store that had Blu-ray priced like DVD media
Deanjo: How do you figure that cxo
Deanjo: lol calculate again
Deanjo: 500 Gig HD's go for $60 nowdays
Deanjo: A 50 Gig bluray disk is about $40-50 for one
cxo: oh yeah, post from the most expensive computer store
cxo: you get a 5pack for $45 on ebay (BD-R DL/50Gb)
Deanjo: Your still about 2 x the price of a hd
Brace: it costs about that for 2*50gb disks from a fairly expensive shop
Brace: here in the UK
cxo: yeah tigerdirect is always expensive
Brace: if you go for a cheaper shop and brand you can get 4-5 packs for that price (£25)
cxo: Sony and TDK 5 packs are $45 to $60 on ebay
Brace: still that's nearly a £100 to backup my RAID array...
Deanjo: Find a 10 pack of 50 Giggers going for about $60
Deanjo: Then you are on par with HD's
DaSkreech: What are the BD-RE prices?
Deanjo: And also make sure they are re-writable
DaSkreech: Deanjo: By that time you will have 3 packs of 500 GB HDD for 25 dollars with a 15 dollar rebate
cxo: Optical media has its advantages over magnetic disk when it comes to backup
maligor: I see 8 for 50 eur
DaSkreech: You can't beat HDD for price per GB
Deanjo: Exactly my point DaSkreech
cxo: But yeah, its not quite yet on par $/gb with hard disks
DaSkreech: cxo: It's optical. It will never be on par
Deanjo: Bluray is not a cheap backup medium
DaSkreech: Deanjo: Cheaper than DVDs
maligor: what you want is DAT
Deanjo: DAT capacities are pretty limited
maligor: good old tape :P
Deanjo: and expensive too
Brace: tape drives are generally pretty expensive in my experience
cxo: haha DAT
cxo: man you can get 400GB HP tapes for $20 these days
cxo: but tapes are shit, get eaten by roaches
Brace: how much would the drive cost tho?
cxo: depends, but you can get a decent one for about $150 branch spanking new
DaSkreech: Is it any good?
Deanjo: cxo, link me to these wonderful 400GB dats
Brace: as good as any tape drive I guess
Brace: i.e. probably not up to mush
maligor: Deanjo, HP LTO-2
cxo: tapes are shit
Brace: that too :D
maligor: I see some HP LTO-2 400GB tapes here for 30 eur
maligor: so it's probably the same
Deanjo: Ahhh compressed
Deanjo: 200G uncompressed
maligor: mm, yeah, 200GB real it says
Deanjo: Compression doesn't do much for multimedia crud
maligor: there seems to also be 400 gb tapes
maligor: LTO3 400/800 for 40 eur
cxo: Deanjo, Its not that kind of compression
cxo: its physically compressed as its written onto the tapes. You cant read it straight off without a special head
Deanjo: Right, more tracks per/inch
Brace: ok, fair enough, I have been able to find some LTO drives for about £100, which isn't too bad
maligor: $31 for the drive
maligor: I wonder if it's a misprint
maligor: ohj, sorry, media, heh
maligor: anyway, the drives I see are for over $1200
Brace: the media is generally fairly decent price wise, but it's the drives that kill you
maligor: but that's 800GB for $31 tho
Deanjo: Gotta love "a great backup medium" *** 1 year warranty
Brace: also in my experience you tend to loose a tape every few weeks or so
maligor: I love the term 'WORM'
Deanjo: That's an old term
cxo: Write Once Read Many
maligor: yes, I know
cxo: no you didnt know
Brace: but that was out of about 500 tapes or so
cxo: you thought it was like a wriggly thing
DaSkreech: Like a Microsoft contract?
maligor: WO Media would be cool
maligor: you can read CD-Rs
cxo: mv my_porn /dev/null
DaSkreech: Quantam blobs?
maligor: /dev/null qualifies as a WO device
cxo: Write Many, Never Read
DaSkreech: maligor: You can wite to /dev/null multiple times
maligor: oh.. yes
maligor: but it's not the same place!
cxo: ask a 4yr old to write it in crayon
cxo: onto a sheet of paper
maligor: or it could be argued that the pointer in /dev/null's nullification moves when written to
maligor: so it only writes a specific spot once
cxo: WORO would be cooler
cxo: Write Once, Read Once
DaSkreech: I'm pretty sure that it always points to null :)
DaSkreech: cxo: Quantam blob :)
cxo: actually static memory is basically WORO
maligor: yes, but I believe that the null pointer is infact a complex pointer
maligor: it moves in the imaginary axis
cxo: thats why it needs to be constantly charged
cxo: and dynamic memory is re-juiced
cxo: dram is WORAFT, Write Once, Read A Few Times
cxo: lover's secrets are WONROL, Write Once, Never Read Out Loud
cxo: scandals are WMRITP, Write Once, Read In Tomorrow's Paper
Deanjo: farts in cxo's general direction. Firgures with the wind it should be there by Sat.
cxo: how much snow you got outside?
Deanjo: Got a bit more last night. I would say maybe 4 inches maybe
cxo: We are on storm warning :)
Deanjo: Not enough to try out the new snowmobile @ Christmas
Brace: the 'surprise' one?
Deanjo: The one "I don't know about"
Brace: that did make me chortle the other day
Deanjo: Was thinking about having a bit of fun. Start driving around the dealerships with the wife, looking for a new snowmobile. :P
Brace: you are an evil man
Brace: I'd do it tho
Deanjo: I found the plates for it hidden in the pantry
Deanjo: Actually, I won't ruin her surprise. It's just too mean
cxo: What were you doing in the pantry that your wife obviously didnt know you did in the pantry?
cxo: Looks like someone was being naaaaauughty
Brace: plates? what are they? part of the tracks?
cxo: registration plates maybe
cxo: yeah but those would be on the snowmobile
Deanjo: Ya registration plates
Deanjo: What I was doing in the pantry was looking for my bottle of Wiesers
cxo: Where is the snowmobile kept?
Deanjo: Still at the dealership I would imagine
bkero: would like to snowmobile to work.
Deanjo: Either that or at her sisters garage I'd imagine
cxo: silly woman, why did she put the plates in the pantry then
cxo: should have just bolted it to the snowmobile
Deanjo: She would have had to gone to the insurance agency to get them
Deanjo: Which reminds me, I need to renew the ones on the other
Deanjo: finds it kind of odd that it costs more to put plates on a snowmobile then his 54 dodge
bkero: Don't have to pay road tax or anything like that
Deanjo: In Saskatchewan insurance works a bit different here. The vehicle is insured instead of the driver
Deanjo: The old dodge cost's me $38 a year for registration and insurance
Deanjo: I carry additional insurance as well on it though otherwise it would go buy the resale value of how it was before I hopped it up
Deanjo: That costs me another $250 a year
bkero: I got permenant plates in MT for $300
bkero: They never have to be renewed. :D
Deanjo: Our driver licenses for example also have to be renewed every year. $25 no matter the age
cxo: you're an oldy
cxo: insurance costs me $100/month
Deanjo: Insurance doesn't go up if your a youth
cxo: The damn transpo doesnt want to give me plates for the jag
cxo: they say its too old??
cxo: i need to get an appraisal apparently for the sales tax now.
cxo: And Belairdirect doesnt want to insure a car >19 yrs old
bkero: I'm paying $53/month for insurance. Bluebook on my car is shit.
Deanjo: If your in a accident then your yearly drivers license goes up to $125 for a year, then drops to $50 then back down to $25 after the 3rd year of accident free driving
Deanjo: Plus on the old dodge, I plate it as a farm vehicle so that knocked down the annual plates and insurance nearly in half
cxo: haha farm vehicle
cxo: i should do that
cxo: farm vehicle haha
Deanjo: Well you have to actually own farm land to do that
cxo: Book Value on the jag is too damn high, $19k
cxo: they refused to use the sale value for the sales tax, so i'm looking for someone to appraise it at like $1k
Deanjo: Still don't know what I'm gonna do with the original flathead 6 from the dodge. A new one was put in it in 1961 and it has maybe 500 miles on it
cxo: go kart
bkero: Front wheels would never touch the ground
cxo: it will make a good kit car
Deanjo: That thing is so damn whisper quiet
cxo: hold on, what yr is that block?
Deanjo: Put a cheap glasspack on it and still silent as hell lol
Deanjo: The block is 1956 IIRC
cxo: it must be ancient
cxo: yeah, jeez use it on a boat
Deanjo: Nice single barrel carb on it lol
Deanjo: oil air filter
Deanjo: The original tranny shifted like a dream too
cxo: funny, but i'm just learning to work with carbs actually
cxo: i was born in the EFI era
bkero: Does your jag have mechanical fuel injection?
bkero: and if it does, is it as much of a whore to work with as old VWs?
cxo: that a shot, the day after i got it
Deanjo: heh, well before I hopped it up, the carb leaked a bit. The gaskets were shot on it. I went to this old guy who was about 80 and ran the old dodge dealership decades ago. Asked if he had a carb kit for it. Sure enough he had 5 of them and all he wanted was a case of beer for all 5
Deanjo: He had a new generator for it too
Deanjo: He passed away a few years back, they auctioned off his stuff. Got most of his old parts inventory for $100
Deanjo: I have a crack in the windshield at the moment on the dodge. It's being a real bitch to find a replacement
Deanjo: 53 and 55 have different windshields and 54 was a strike year for dodge so there were limited trucks produced that year
cxo: how did it crack?
Deanjo: Gravel road. Thrown Stone
cxo: go plexi
Deanjo: Right smack dab in the driver's view
Deanjo: Pexi yellows and scratches easily
cxo: shites i need to get the car started at least once today
Deanjo: Even lexan scratches easily
cxo: need find out what they make spectacles out of these days
Deanjo: I need to find that transparent aluminum formula that Scotty had in Star Trek 4
Deanjo: might get motivated enough to start working on the 69 Z-28 again
bkero: has an old turbo he needs to figure out what to do with
Deanjo: Old vehicles are such a pleasure to work on
Deanjo: Another car that is all to damn simple to work on is the old Chevettes
Deanjo: and cheap as hell to overhaul
Deanjo: wonders what the price of the gtx295 is going to start at
Deanjo: redeeman, http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16025
Deanjo: hmmm, nordichardware has been down for a few days now
cxo: too much snow
Deanjo: lol, polar bear attach
cxo: i got 4ft snow banks on my driveway already
Deanjo: Well that doesn't help me. I can't skidoo on your driveway banks :P
redeeman: ft is an ugly unit
cxo: there is about 1ft on everything that hasnt been cleared yet
cxo: redeeman, but its easier to eyeball than french units
Deanjo: heh, a lesson NASA knows all to well redeeman
Deanjo: Well km's vs miles anyways
redeeman: miles is ugly aswell
Deanjo: I'm pretty sure someone got canned over that "oops" at NASA
cxo: someone? you mean some department
Deanjo: Ya I imagine there were a few heads that rolled
Deanjo: Either that or someone is going to have 327.6 million dollars worth of additional deductions taken from their paycheck for a long long time
maligor: did they switch to SI after it?
Deanjo: Went to pure metric I believe
maligor: that would be SI
maligor: Liberia, Myanmar and United States haven't adpoted it... good company ;)
cxo: Americans just like to be indifferent
cxo: Canada is worse, you use imperial for weights and meters for length
Deanjo: I kind of find it funny that they still follow some units that were spec'd out by the size of a monarchs foot
Deanjo: Huh? Dude metric tonnes are used for grain and such
cxo: ok that makes matters even worse
Deanjo: weight is done in metric
maligor: so I buy 0,001 tons of fish?
cxo: you buy foods in lbs
Deanjo: No you don't you buy it in kg's
cxo: and booze in oz
cxo: where the fuk do you live?
Deanjo: Canada dude
cxo: We dont use litres here for shit
maligor: I don't use liters for shit either
cxo: petrol is the ONLY thing measured in liters here
Deanjo: How big is a pop bottle cxo?
cxo: i dont buy pop, but i can tell you about whiskey
cxo: sask must be advanced
Deanjo: lol look at the label. It's 750 ml
cxo: no its not
Deanjo: Ya it is
cxo: goes to look
Deanjo: Got a few empty canadian blends sitting right in front of me
Deanjo: He's a pic http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b347/usdroller1/wisers.jpg
cxo: one bottle says 739ml, another 743ml, and another 751ml
maligor: infact I avoid measuring it
cxo: Do you go out and buy meant in kg?
cxo: thats insane
cxo: here they put the kg sticker really small under the lb sticker
Deanjo: Are you sure your in ottawa and not detroit cxo lol
Deanjo: They don't even list lbs here
Deanjo: Your typical serving of hamburger for example is about .7 kg
cxo: its 4, 5 or 6 oz here
Deanjo: All prices are advertised as $/kg
cxo: $/lb here
cxo: you go to a honky tonk bar and you buy wings per lb
Deanjo: What's your postal code?
cxo: All Engineering documents are SI units here. But in stores etc.. weight is all lb, length is in ft for small things, and meters for large things, land is measure in square ft, volume in cubic.ft
cxo: road signs are km, and the speedo is km too
cxo: so its all a big mix
cxo: with a larger amount of imperial units
Deanjo: IDK, everything I come up for example Safeway is done in grams and KG's
cxo: thats really weird
Deanjo: drivers license as well is done in meters
cxo: drivers license?
Deanjo: Yes drivers license
cxo: what do you mean?
cxo: you see all the prices are in lbs, but in small you have the kg price http://loblaws.flyerservices.com/cached_images/pages/LOB_PR061B_101_01_LSL_abn.p1.jpg
Deanjo: "n Ontario driver's licence is your proof of your privilege to drive. You must carry it with you whenever you drive. Ontario has a one-piece plastic driver's licence. The licence has a digitized photograph and signature of the driver and a magnetic information strip. "
bkero: IR themometer on woot
cxo: what does that have to do with meters?
bkero: Was a conversation a week ago or so about them
Deanjo: Your height is recorded as meters instead of feet and inches
Deanjo: or cm's
cxo: All official documents are SI units, yes
cxo: that flyer i posted is from a chain supermarket over here
Deanjo: When you ring it up at the till it is done by kg, that is the law according to the Weights and Measures Act
cxo: god knows what they do. But like the flyer i showed you. the metric units are demphasised
Deanjo: Why they do that? because it looks cheaper lol
cxo: everything is sold in multiples of oz or lbs, so the conversion to metric, will be in a little sticker, with a weird looking number, eg 1.894litre
Deanjo: That would be typically done on a US product
cxo: everything is like that here man
cxo: Even Cooers!
cxo: my johnny walker black is 739ml
Deanjo: That's not Canadian
cxo: yeah i know
cxo: but even the canadian stuff is all like that
cxo: temperature is in Celsius though
Deanjo: It's still sold as a metric unit though.
cxo: it can be sold as anything, but people dont buy it with metric units
Deanjo: That's changing as the old timers die off
cxo: yeah, hence the small sticker in metric
Deanjo: legal trade by metric has been law since 1982
cxo: i thought it was earlier than that
Deanjo: The switch to metric started in 1971, but was not required until 1982
Deanjo: That's when Canada joined the OIML
Deanjo: michaellarabel, if your around the Yo Frankie Game has been release to the wild in it's final form
michaellarabel: yep, plan to post about it soon, just preoccupied with VDPAU article at the moment :)
Deanjo: I would expect new official "non-beta" 180 drivers before Christmas
Deanjo: (Probably before Dec 18th)
cxo: screw nvidia drivers
cxo: Even if nvidia stopped updating their drive in 1999 it would be better than any ATi driver
Deanjo: S3 baby, S3 is the future :P
Deanjo: Trident could make a huge comeback too :D
cxo: Not if SiS has anything to say about it
cxo: has a SIS Apollo 32mb AGP Graphics Accelerator!
cxo: was meant to compete with geforce 256
cxo: sucked balls
Deanjo: thinks the Cyrix MediaGX will rule once again
Deanjo: Now that processor was truly a dog
Deanjo: But it beat ATI by more then a decade integrating video into the CPU
redeeman: because they didn't care to do it before
Deanjo: You remember those MediaGX's redeeman ?
redeeman: i know about it, did they ever mass produce it?
Deanjo: Compaq and IBM Ambra line used them
Deanjo: They were more commonly used in Pinball games I guess
Deanjo: I had one of the ambra's given to me one time. I couldn't help but laugh at it's performance
Deanjo: Even their lower clocked 6x86 skinned that sucker alive
michaellarabel: Deanjo have you tried the final build of Yo Frankie yet?
Deanjo: Ya just did
michaellarabel: Do you know if there is a benchmark or demo mode? My copy is still downloading.
Deanjo: I didn't see anything
Deanjo: at least not on the crystalspace one
cxo: graphics look like shite
Deanjo: Which version you get?
bkero: The original OMAP ARM chips had integrated video IIRC
Deanjo: heh looking at the comments under the Yo Frankie release it looks like it sucks ass across all types of hardware and os's
cxo: i just looked at the screenshots on their site
Deanjo: Oh man serious environment issues on this thing
Deanjo: too damn easy to get stuck
cxo: i cant believe youre playing it
Deanjo: Not a real great tech demo at all
Deanjo: If it was to show off blender as a good way to develop a game it failed
cxo: blender has some serious usability issues
Deanjo: lol don't say that in the blender room
Deanjo: Blender is a good example where what is a logical layout for a coder is not a logical layout for the rest of the world
redeeman: i doubt blender is designed by a programmer
Deanjo: I remember listening to a podcast with the blender crew, "Sure it can do this and this and this" "How do you do it" "No idea, we just write the code"
Deanjo: You should listen to this redeeman, it will give you an idea how it's development is done http://twit.tv/floss25
Deanjo: #1 complaint about blender is the UI. That's why now they are completely redesigning it
redeeman: any moron could design a better interface