Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-12-08
Milyardo: Good morning
Milyardo: michaellarabel: Whats your plans for pi day?
Deanjo: Hmmm, looks like Physx support is picking up
bkero: Does that mean we get UT3?
bkero: One track mind?
Deanjo: Yup, just waiting for the direct x commits to the kernel to be finalized :P
Deanjo: I think those will debut before UT3 for linux ever does
Deanjo: I'm betting at least another year, if ever, for UT3
Deanjo: Got prey at least now
Deanjo: That only took 2 years :D
Deanjo: Picked up Prey from the software clearance bin @ the grocery store
bkero: Haha, awesome
bkero: I really want to start browsing around and pick up a copy of Psychonauts for $6.
Deanjo: I just really wish we could get some other genre's of commercial games other then FPS's
Deanjo: I was so disappointed when it was announced NWN2 was not going to have a linux client
maligor: and I doubt dragon age will either
maligor: nwn was a strange fluke
Deanjo: nwn1 still has a large linux following
maligor: it has a pretty large following even without linux
Deanjo: In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they make up the majority of the nwn1 community now
maligor: I prefer nwn2 tho
Deanjo: I can't say the initial game was better. The expansion packs however are better then the initial release
Deanjo: nwn has such staying power simply because of the great toolkit it has
maligor: yeah, easy to use
Deanjo: Yup, that communtity pack available for it is HUGE!!!
Deanjo: Who knows, maybe when Atari finally goes belly up Bioware will finally do a linux client for NWN2 :P
maligor: bioware didn't have much to do with nwn2
Deanjo: They still have the franchise rights though
maligor: seen the new videos of dragon age tho?
Deanjo: not recently
maligor: seems pretty cool storywise if they manage to do it
Deanjo: One thing I really don't understand is why companies still insist on using bink for their games
maligor: as opposed to what?
Deanjo: maybe now that theora has reached 1.0 status developers will pick up on it
maligor: afaik bink is pretty easy to use
Deanjo: Well maligor WC3 used divx
maligor: it's not so much the codec as the ease of integration
maligor: I'd prefer if the games used the game engines
Deanjo: Ya, alot more are going that way now that the machines can handle pretty real-time rendering
redeeman: anyone here that has a G43 board?
Deanjo: Hey redeeman did you ever get your atom board?
redeeman: i have it on right now :)
Deanjo: like it?
redeeman: well.. except from the sortof annoying fan, im very happy with it
redeeman: it's faster than i had anticipated
Deanjo: that little fan is pretty noisy I take it?
redeeman: it runs at ~6k rpm
Deanjo: That's on the igp right?
redeeman: yeah, the atom has just a tiny heatsink
Deanjo: Any issues with the Nic?
redeeman: the heatsink on the dualcore model atom is a tad larger, but still passive
redeeman: well.. it's a standard r8139
redeeman: works fine
redeeman: last night i moved 100GB
redeeman: pretty much 11MB/s constantly
redeeman: the d945gclf2 has a gigabit nic
Deanjo: ok, just wondering because there was some issues with the r8139 with earlier kernels
redeeman: r8139 has worked pretty much flawlessly since YEARS
redeeman: you are thinking of rtl8111c?
Deanjo: Right, my mistake
redeeman: as you may remember, i have gigabyte X48 board with two rtl8111c
redeeman: and i had some issues
redeeman: but the maintainer fixed it
Deanjo: Good to know
fow: I am excited for native Steam.
redeeman: but i know of the rtl8111c stuff from other motherboards too
fow: That is all.
fow: Good day.
redeeman: with single nic
redeeman: and that was no issue at all
fow: Oh, and for 2.6.28 with GEM
fow: /That/ is all
Deanjo: *sigh* so many dreams easily crushed
redeeman: i think d945gclf2 uses rtl8111c though
redeeman: but i doubt it's any problem
redeeman: i must say, i was impressed with the atom last night
redeeman: i use sshfs and dm-crypt
redeeman: and it handled the 11MB/s with both sshfs encryption and dm-crypt
redeeman: i didn't expect the singlecore atom to do that
Deanjo: Maybe that was the board I was looking at. I remember doing some research on it and the nic support was iffy at the time
maligor: redeeman, I hope you're running windows vista on it, and not that communist hippie os
redeeman: i am not aware of any communist hippie os
maligor: so how's vista on intel atom? ;)
bkero: I'm thinking of stuffing a gumstix in my netbook for some added oomph
redeeman: maligor: do you think it even installs?
Deanjo: Just need to glue a "turbo" button on your netbook for that bkero
maligor: redeeman, don't see why it wouldn't
Deanjo: instant 200% increase in speed
maligor: the HP MIE looks interesting but I guess it's not for public consumption
Deanjo: "go fast" racing stickers further increase speed as well
maligor: looks shiny
bkero: Deanjo: I plan on offloading some of the things I to it :P
Deanjo: Dammit, can't find a link I saw yesterday. Some guy was watercooling a C7 chip
Deanjo: Kept thinking to myself, what a waste
bkero: That's just stupid
maligor: I've been designing a liquid lead cooled cortex-a9 system
maligor: just can't get to the critical temperatures to melt the lead coolant
bkero: What's the TDP on a Cortex-A9?
bkero: Like 3 watts?
maligor: yeah, probably
Deanjo: Here it is http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2008/12/04/motm-nov-08/3
maligor: I think A8 was maximum 2W
Deanjo: Bloody watercooling block probably costs more then the board
bkero: Cortex A9's are supposed to come in dual core variety I thought
maligor: always found the metal cooled systems strange
bkero: I have an EFIKA board that's cooled by an upside-down 2.5" hard drive
maligor: but they're only for use with stuff like nuclear reactors
maligor: just makes you wonder how they bootstrap the process
redeeman: Deanjo: i was randomly browsing around
redeeman: and found this:
redeeman: "known problems" section
redeeman: isn't it just such a big coincidence?
Deanjo: My NF3 board has a sil controller on it. Never had a corruption issue with it
redeeman: well.. who knows, i just find it curious that corruption and nvidia very often goes hand in hand
maligor: redeeman, heh, not really
maligor: all manufacturers have a track record
maligor: ie, serious chipset bugs in manufactured units
Deanjo: redeeman, did you know that the ATI sata controller in their southbridges are a clone of the Sil chipsets?
maligor: can't think of serious bugs with ati offhand tho
redeeman: no, and i don't particularly care much :)
redeeman: i just found it most funny
maligor: but amd, intel, via, sis, uli/ali, nvidia have crappy chipsets in their collection
maligor: Deanjo, they licensed it from sil?
Deanjo: Ya you can find bugs on every chipset
Deanjo: IIRC maligor, ya they did
redeeman: what would you choose? gigabyte G33 board with 8 sata ports (has extra onboard jmicron), or intel G43 board + sata_sil24 pcie sata controller ?
maligor: anyway, I really haven't heard of serious corruption issues with ati chipsets tho
bkero: is still running an nf4 chipset with 8 sata controllers(4 from jmicron)
bkero: *controllers = ports
cxo: is an SD/MMC card reader compatible with SDHC?
Deanjo: You read about the hell that x58 boards are giving maligor ?
redeeman: lol people are really blowing intels advances out of proportion
redeeman: treating conroe like it was the biggest advance EVER
redeeman: while the truth is, amd64 trashed intel more than intel has done now to AMD
cxo: not really
cxo: its been pretty much intel since about 2005
redeeman: but the performance jump intel made with conroe, nowhere near matches what amd did with amd64
cxo: give amd a cookie then
redeeman: amd64 could smear intels walls with crap, while intel could just outperform amd64 somewhat good
Deanjo: Ya AMD ruled pretty much since the Athlon debuted
Deanjo: That was pretty much a 5 year and a bit rule
bkero: If not for AMD, Intel would still be selling us Pentium 4's.
Deanjo: with RAMBUS :P
bkero: Stale assholes
bkero: I worked there last september and the sysadmins were seriously writing scripts for and exclusively using korn shells.
Deanjo: aka the SCO of memory technologies :P
bkero: it's the only job I ever had where they required me to use a .plan file
bkero: Seriously, they used FINGER
Deanjo: btw cxo core's didn't hit until 2006
Deanjo: it wasn't until the core 2's that intel started pulling away
Darklock: bkero: all the cool dudes do, see icculus and TTimo! :p
bkero: Darklock: romero and carmack stopped a while ago though :(
Deanjo: Ya I hear that it greatly improved UT3 for linux development time :P
timofonic: bkero: It's Efika really interesting or another failed stuff by Genesi?
bkero: timofonic: I got one for free from giving them a good idea for a project involving it. It's not bad, but it can't do two things at once really.
Deanjo: wonders where did those fuel cell powered laptops disappear to that intel showed off in 2004
bkero: If you have a use for a small computer, you can use an efika, but you're probably better off using a beagleboard or a fast gumstix
Darklock: bkero: I was wondering why they took so long to switch, they switched from NEXTSTeP to Windows NT like a decade before
maligor: Deanjo, I wonder why intel would push a platform that raw
maligor: maybe it's the change in the cpu pincount ;)
timofonic: bkero: It's BeagleBoard really interesting? What about a GPUless version?
Deanjo: Try to steal phenom II thunder I suppose maligor
maligor: they've been on the 775 so long they've forgotten how to make something new
timofonic: maligor: Larrabee?
maligor: Deanjo, yeah, well, even that doesn't make sense
bkero: timofonic: Yes
maligor: unless it was some sort of management decision
maligor: instead of shipping a product when it's actually finished
Deanjo: Well that and they probably wanted to get christmas
timofonic: bkero: Can you provide more details? I'm part of OpenPandora.ES staff and following about Pandora, but not much aboput BeagleBoard
maligor: with i7?
maligor: the i7 prices are ridiculous
bkero: timofonic: It's a system-on-a-chip board with gpio, usb, audio in/out, and a 600MHz Cortex-A8. It's got HDMI and s-video out
Deanjo: Try to catch the Christmas craze and stimulate sales as they have been on a downhill trend for a while with the economy tanking
maligor: bkero, it's a shame the resolution on it is so limited :P
bkero: A GPUless beagle is called a Gumstix overo
bkero: maligor: It's nto really that limited. I'm running it at 1680x1050-16@60
timofonic: bkero: I know about OMAP 3530 at all, but not about the BeagleBoard details :)
Deanjo: Never underestimate the power of bells and whistles
timofonic: bkero: Gumstix overo? But it's really GPUless or only disabled?
maligor: bkero, heh, but no 1920x1080 :P
timofonic: bkero: I mean lacking the hardware, being a lot more cheaper...
maligor: bkero, played around with the dsp?
timofonic: bkero: a pci express port, GigE...
timofonic: bkero: I mean server oriented, for example running a network router or FreeSWITCH/Asterisk on it :)=
bkero: COuld run a server on it easily
bkero: You'd need to put an ethernet connection on USB or GPIO
bkero: maligor: Haven't really touched the DSP.
bkero: maligor: I don't know that much about the gumstix
maligor: I didn't ask about gumstix :P
timofonic: bkero: Is GPIO fast enough? What about adding a PCI card for PBX? Like the ones from Sangoma
maligor: having a 2-core cortex-a9 with pci-express would be cool
timofonic: bkero: I want be able to do my own small PBX server or a router, for example.
timofonic: maligor: I think Cortex A8 is enough, the only problem are interfaces. PCI as minimum, PCI Express can be interesting in certain environments
maligor: cortex's will probably eventually find their way to NAS too
maligor: not the A models tho, since they're application processors
bkero: timofonic: I looked into adding PCI-Express to the GPIO bus, but someone in #beagle shot the idea down
maligor: timofonic, pci-express has less wires
bkero: There are enough GPIO pins, but I think it was the clockspeed that was a problem
timofonic: maligor: There aren't PBX PciE boards as I mnow
bkero: You can get some atom boards with pci-e
Deanjo: I haven't seen one actually in the wild yet bkero
Deanjo: Seen "proof of concept" boards but nothing that you can actually buy yet
timofonic: bkero: Are there something cheap and ARM-based with at least PCI and PCIe as plus? Or one with PCI and other PCIe http://wiki.sangoma.com/sangoma-hardware#A200
timofonic: Those PBX cards are PCI-only
bkero: timofonic: Probably not
bkero: You could use an efika
timofonic: bkero: And live with a dead platform? Not thanks, I want proper Linux support
bkero: So put a PCI bus on the GPIO of a beagle?
bkero: Beagle doesn't have 'proper' linux support either
timofonic: bkero: slow? resource hungry?
bkero: Nothing OMAP3 does
timofonic: bkero: Why? Early dev?
bkero: Proprietary shit
bkero: Blame TI
timofonic: bkero: So I should use something based on Intel Atom/Nano?
bkero: Your choice
bkero: You can't use nano
timofonic: bkero: why?
bkero: Show me a nano board
redeeman: the nano isn't ARM either
timofonic: bkero: Ok, but maybe it will be available when I prepare all that stuff
timofonic: redeeman: But it's properly supported :)
timofonic: redeeman: x86, intel...
bkero: timofonic: Yea, why don't you plan on that
redeeman: rather get intel than via
timofonic: redeeman: Yes, VIA is a dead end too
maligor: buy a manufacturing plant and make a Sparc T2
Deanjo: You can also pickup small AMD 780g board and couple that with the new 22 watt X2 and have a heck of alot more performance with slightly more power cosumption
maligor: 22w x2?
bkero: will take the 2 watts of his Beagle. :)
Darklock: I am going for a Longsoon 2E :->
bkero: 22w idle
bkero: dredges up that article again
Deanjo: No max
Deanjo: X2 3250e
maligor: you mean ADP
Deanjo: TDP is 22 watts
maligor: that's not max
bkero: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Athlon-Atom-Nano-power,2036-13.html seems to show otherwise
maligor: that's originally intels way of disorting power use
maligor: 1.5ghz huh
Deanjo: TDP is the maximum amount of power the cooling system in a computer is required to dissipate.
Darklock: and ACP the max. it will actually use at high load
maligor: no, it's not
maligor: ACP actually means Average CPU Power
Darklock: the average at high load, why do you say "no"?
maligor: mhm, I see you're right
maligor: atleast in a way, you mean high load average, not max
Darklock: yes, that would be TDP
maligor: tdp isn't max
maligor: either that is
maligor: it's just a number they pulled out of their hat to specify the cooling power required
Darklock: hmm, right
Deanjo: Well any of those numbers are more or less a estimate anyways. Actual values will vary chip to chip and those published values are a "worst case scenario"
Deanjo: The only true value is the one you get is after building the machine and measuring total consumption at the wall.
maligor: me.. this is killing me, I can only find 0402 SMD resistors in units of 1000 and 10,000
maligor: and I just need 4
bkero: 945GC chipsets suck up stupid watts though
Deanjo: ask for a sample maligor
Deanjo: They usually will send ya 10 free
Deanjo: asked for a sample of 555 timers once and wound up getting 100 for free
bkero: Make them believe you're some korean manufacturer who will order ten billion of the
Deanjo: Ya, it was funny, the local electronic shop wanted $5 a piece
maligor: well, the local electronics shop wants 0,002 eur for a piece
maligor: but in units of 10,000
Deanjo: We get gouged here on electronic parts because there is really only 1 electronic supplier in the province
maligor: well, there's two two hobbyish shops here
maligor: or four
Deanjo: At least when Radio Shack was still around, it kept them in check
maligor: and one pro shop that sells to consumers also
maligor: actually.. two of those
maligor: the problem just seems to be that not too many people need 0402's in small units
Deanjo: The Shack shut down and prices went through the roof. Needed some etching solution the other day and a bottle that used to cost me $3 at the Shack cost me $22
maligor: 1,0mm x 0,5mm isn't exactly the easiest thing to solder
maligor: afaik shack sold mostly crappy components tho
Deanjo: Never really had a issue with their components
maligor: yeah, but low grade stuff anyway
Deanjo: It was cheap and readily available.
maligor: I didn't say low grade stuff was useless
Deanjo: Ya when your breadboarding though what they had would suffice
Deanjo: When they were closing down I went to all their stores here and bought their remaining inventory of stuff dirt ass cheap.
Deanjo: Big ass box that you could barely carry for $30
maligor: I doubt they sold 0402 smd's tho :P
Deanjo: Na, smd's came out a bit afterwards into the mainstream
Deanjo: Think I own enough 2N2222a and 2N2907's to supply a small country now.
redeeman: Deanjo: btw, i was wrong, the ethernet controller on d945gclf is not r8139, but rtl8101
redeeman: it works fine though
Deanjo: it's a b isn't it?
redeeman: 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 02)
Deanjo: Should be ok on my OS X developer stuff then
maligor: ordering samples seems a bit silly too
maligor: the postage is probably more expensive than the component itself
redeeman: usually postage is free for samples
Deanjo: They usually don't charge you for the postage
redeeman: Deanjo: do you know if one can buy proper chipset heatsink + fan for the atom boards?
Deanjo: I haven't seen any
redeeman: i think mine is already broken lol
redeeman: it doesn't sound "clean" anymore
Deanjo: I'd probably end up modding regular OEM cpu cooler to fit the purpose
maligor: these seem to give 50 samples per component max
maligor: I wonder if I want Sn or SnPb termination, heh
Darklock: I guess Jets'n'Guns is not important enough for michaellarabel :-)
redeeman: Darklock: he probably is busy...
Darklock: it has been a week
Deanjo: " i would not call the 'buntus a distribution: it is like going on discount on the debian component supermarket and buy the goods just before they pass quality control" lol
redeeman: Darklock: does jetsnguns support 2560x1600?
Deanjo: Yay, LCD's are expected to drop another 6-9% this month
Marox: redeeman: the demo looks like 800x600
redeeman: yeah nevermind, i just read about their "sophisticated copy protection" as they put it
maligor: Deanjo, I expect only crap tn
maligor: the real stuff probably won't go down... ever
bkero: There are no large TN panels
Deanjo: If tn drops, others have to follow as well as the price/performance becomes an issue
bkero: They're not nice like IPS panels, but decent MVA
Marox: but it runs well.. so far
bkero: For large panels(19+) you can't do TN because of the limited viewing area IIRC
maligor: err.. there are lots of 19+ TNs
redeeman: bkero: there exists 24" TN i believe
Deanjo: There comes a price point where something becomes "good enough"
maligor: Deanjo, nah.. they'll just drop the more expensive panels instead of lowering price
bkero: redeeman: show me :P
redeeman: bkero: acer has made some, i don't remember exact model though
bkero: Hehehe http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/52869-3-beware-panel-monitor-released
Deanjo: maligor, that doesn't help slowing sales
maligor: bkero, anyway, there's more in 20-22" range
maligor: it's also a shame there's the glossy trend
bkero: I must have meant higher(37+ or so). I read somewhere tha the limited vertical viewing angle prevented it from being ued
Deanjo: Well actually people tend to want the glossy maligor
maligor: bkero, I doubt that stops them from making them and selling them
maligor: Deanjo, I wonder why
maligor: I think it's just annoying
Deanjo: Makes the colours and contrast a bit more "rich"
maligor: my s-pva looks pretty rich
maligor: besides, you're supposed to calibrate displays anyway ;)
bkero: I got a 37" westy, that's mva, and looks pretty nice.
Deanjo: Ya, sad reality is though maligor people tend to use defaults
bkero: Just look at wireless routers :P
Deanjo: Hell people couldn't be bothered to even adjust their crt display size
maligor: yeah, wireless router manufacturers that actually have a option for WEP should be shot
maligor: and nintendo also
bkero: Why does DS not support WPA? :(
maligor: probably adding it would've been too expensive
maligor: probably cut into their revenue streams at 0,0005% per unit sold
maligor: a mighty 67mhz arm9 :P
bkero: Hey, it's two processors, pay some respect
bkero: There's also an ARM7 in there
maligor: the nintendo profit margins must be incredible
Deanjo: Heh remember the dual 8-bit processors in the Turbographix 16? "It's 16-bit because it has two 8-bit procs!!!"
maligor: they're asking 150eur for it here
maligor: those arm processor probably cost 50 cents
maligor: and maybe 5 euros for the display
bkero: To be fair the ARM processors probably cost nintendo $2
bkero: I'd estimate all the components minus screen cost around $40
bkero: I'd verify if this were free: http://www.mindbranch.com/listing/product/R104-17945.html
Deanjo: now has to pretend like he doesn't know what he's getting for Christmas
Deanjo: Gotta love how credit card companies can ruin surprises
Deanjo: "Did you just make a large purchase at a snowmobile shop?"
bkero: I fucking hate that
bkero: My friend tried to argue that it's a good idea, so that my bank could call me up if I bought $500 of hair care products. I don't want my bank second-guessing me.
Deanjo: I told them, that it wasn't me but to call my wife's cell and find out. Told the lady to not let her on that she called the house first.
bkero: Did she agree?
bkero: That'll save an awkward moment.
Deanjo: They should of called the dealer first though before they even processed it
Deanjo: Especially at this time of year
bkero: only got himself and an ex girlfriend a christmas gift this year.
bkero: Matching woot cordless dremel/bit driver sets
cxo: i bought a new socket set, 7000lb capacity floor jack, and 2 axle stands
cxo: and some work gloves
bkero: I want to get a new air tool set, but that's expensive. :/
Deanjo: No beer?
bkero: Speaking of beer
bkero: APparently there's a beer store downstairs from work that sells delicious Rogue beer.
cxo: I'll get the beer when i'm done with the car
Deanjo: How can you do any mechanical work on a vehicle without a good supply of beer
Brace: cxo: 7000lb floor jack? what are you lifting?
Deanjo: That's just wrong
bkero: A V12 Jag
bkero: A 7000lb floor jack should be good for lifting up at least half of it
Deanjo: Snap-On girl posters and beer are required tools of the trade
Brace: heh, yeah you'll need it for that ;)
timofonic: bkero: Speaking of another kind of hardware... it's dremer usable for screws and such?
Deanjo: Not really
timofonic: Deanjo: So I must use specialized "hardware"? :)
Deanjo: Isn't that always the case?
bkero: timofonic: It's got a bit driver. That's usable for screws.
timofonic: bkero: bit? Those automatic with button? Are they expensive? :)
bkero: timofonic: Um, cordless screwdriver
bkero: $60 for each kit on woot. Probably more normally
Deanjo: You can go broke buying dremel tips lol
Deanjo: Pretty sure HP's inkjet business model was ripped off from Dremel
timofonic: HP inkjet must be prohibited :P
Deanjo: Alway gone with epsons for inkjets
Deanjo: HP's for laser usually
Deanjo: is daring someone to file a bugzilla report saying that opensuse 11.1 won't boot on their 8088 system and mark it as a blocker bug.
timofonic: Deanjo: Isn't Brother better?
Deanjo: Not really
timofonic: Deanjo: Why?
Marox: good night
timofonic: Deanjo: And Xerox?
Deanjo: Your talking about lasers?
Deanjo: or inkjects?
timofonic: Deanjo: I'm curious, interested in laser printers but totally noob
timofonic: Deanjo: Laser printers, of course. Inkjet not exist for me at all, I think they must disappear fron the entire universe...
Deanjo: Well brothers typically have a higher cost of use. They also require drum replacements periodically.
Deanjo: Same with Xerox
timofonic: had very bad experiences with inkject printers, including physical damages and tons of lost time
Deanjo: HP's have a lower cost of operation and when you replace the toner cartridge your replacing the drum at the same time
timofonic: Deanjo: What about quality? Driver support? Transparencies for PCB insulator?
Deanjo: There is also dithering problems with brothers in linux
Deanjo: HP's are tanks
Deanjo: Their driver support is simply awesome
Deanjo: I use a old HP II plus for transparencies. It likes to lay on the toner nice and thick for doing PCB layouts
Deanjo: Brothers are aimed more at light home use
Deanjo: Same with lower end Xerox's
timofonic: I see
Deanjo: The only other brand I would take for medium to heavy use is lexmark
timofonic: Deanjo: What about HP modern laser printers?
Deanjo: They are great
Deanjo: HP does a great job with their linux support for them
timofonic: Deanjo: If I have a laser printer, the most use would be PCB transparencies and documentation. The last one will disappear when getting a proper e-paper device
timofonic: Deanjo: USB or ethernet?
timofonic: Deanjo: I mean... what's less painless and what one works better?
Deanjo: Well either one is pretty simple to use. USB would be the least amount of effort I suppose
timofonic: Isn't ethernet faster?
Deanjo: I've got a Brother HL-2030 as well. I had to create a custom PPD for it
timofonic: Or USB provides more flexibility?
Deanjo: No, ethernet is actually slower in theory
Deanjo: USB2 is 480mbit vs the typical 10 or 100 mbit ethernet found on the printers
timofonic: Deanjo: What about PCL, Postscript, eps... ?
timofonic: Deanjo: In theory, but most USB2 controllers are pure crap
Deanjo: Again HP supports it all very well
timofonic: Deanjo: PDF or that is converted?
Deanjo: That I'm not sure
timofonic: Deanjo: All HP laser printers are named "laserjet"? Do they suck at sucking paper like inkjet ones? That's what made me hate HP inkjet printers
timofonic: I had very horrible accidents about my HP inkjet getting unusable due to those paper problems...
Deanjo: There really is no way to compare HP lasers and inkets. Two very different animals
timofonic: Deanjo: So they don't have problems getting papers? That's good
Deanjo: Even to this day my old HP II feeds fine
timofonic: Deanjo: Nice :)
Deanjo: Granted, I replaced the pickup rubber once because it wore out after 8 years of use.
timofonic: Deanjo: And it's cheap to recharge or they are still PITA like with inkjet?
timofonic: Deanjo: Or newer ones give problems when recharging toner and such?
Deanjo: I have no problem getting the cartridges recharged locally
Deanjo: And toner is always easy to find for the HP's
Deanjo: I've got a HP Laserjet 5si as well with duplexer that I bought from the University 2nd hand. 110,000 copies on it and still pures like a kitten. Never have had a jam with that one.
timofonic: Hehe :)
Deanjo: That's the one I use to print out the 600 page manuals with :P
timofonic: Deanjo: Thanks for the advice, really :)
Deanjo: no problem
Deanjo: HP lasers are about the only thing from HP that you will ever catch me giving high praises for
timofonic: Deanjo: Hehe
timofonic: Deanjo: What about OpenVMS? :)
Deanjo: I would probably have more praise for QNX then OpenVMS
cxo: why bother with all that when Linux is there
timofonic: Going to sleep, bye
timofonic: Deanjo: I see :)
timofonic: see you
edman007: are there any plans to add a multithreaded memory benchmark to the test suite?
edman007: because on my system i HAVE to have multiple threads to hit the full memory bandwidth
Deanjo: HA!! bkero you doubted me when I said the openCL spec would be final this month
cxo: hey Deanjo
cxo: have you ever had any experience with those magnetic engine heater things?
Deanjo: block heaters?
Deanjo: the ones you just slap on the oilpan?
Deanjo: I've used them on the farm for some cranky tractors
cxo: like this http://www.amazon.com/Kats-24150-Watt-Universal-Heater/dp/B000I8TQD6/ref=pd_bxgy_auto_img_b
cxo: i need something cheap to warm up the jag nothing long term, just a one time deal, dont want to spend much
Deanjo: not anything like that one
Deanjo: I have ones similar to this http://www.amazon.com/Kats-1155-Watt-Magnetic-Heater/dp/B000I8TPFU/ref=pd_sim_auto_6/181-8006455-4595221
cxo: the engine barely turns, i think its got the wrong oil in it
cxo: woops, yeah that was the one
cxo: i posted the wrong link
cxo: does that work?
Deanjo: Ya it works on the big tractors on the farm
cxo: the same thing at CanadianTire is $66
Deanjo: Ya that sounds about right
cxo: its only $30 on amazon man
cxo: the block is alu, so its not going to magnetically stick, i'm going to have to clamp it
Deanjo: What's the wattage on the one at Ukrainian Rubber though?
cxo: not sure
cxo: i'll check
cxo: # 200 watt - 120V
cxo: same i guess
cxo: how big is your tractor engine?
cxo: i need it to warm up an aluminum 5.3litre V12 block
cxo: the heat capacity of alu is really high
Deanjo: 507 cu/in
cxo: thats pretty big
Deanjo: And I can guarantee you it has a much larger oilpan
cxo: ok i'm going to buy it then
Deanjo: No 5 litres of oil is going to fill that sucker up lol
Deanjo: 5 gallons is more like it on that beast
cxo: how the fuk am i going to get it to stick to the block?
redeeman: will nvidia implement opencl?
Deanjo: Yes redeeman
redeeman: inside of 1 or 2 years?
Deanjo: umm like today
cxo: what does "Hand Heat" mean,
cxo: looks like the same thing as you posted http://www.amazon.com/Kats-1153-Hand-Heat-Magnetic-Heater/dp/B000BOABS6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1228793133&sr=1-1
cxo: its $3 cheaper though
Deanjo: No idea what the diff is
EruditeHermit: hey, any recommendations for x58 mobos?
redeeman: they're probably all good
cxo: toms recently did an article for which boards are good for crossfire
cxo: some really sucked
cxo: but on linux, you wouldnt need to worry about all that
redeeman: intels website sucks
Deanjo: There was a big write up on anandtech showing BIOS hell with the x58's
redeeman: im trying to compare their pcie network controller
redeeman: all i want is a big honking flag saying "this is best!!!!!!"
Deanjo: lol, intel/amazon
Deanjo: It would be funny if they put user ratings on manufacturer websites
redeeman: i don't give a shit about user ratings though, i want intel to tell me which of their nic's are best
redeeman: they only have like 1000 million models
Deanjo: Best is such a subjective term though....
redeeman: yeah not in this case
redeeman: unless you count in price
Deanjo: "It's the #1 model in it's price, feature set and brand"
Deanjo: and class
EruditeHermit: they all look decent
EruditeHermit: but some have more PCIex16 slots
EruditeHermit: none have intel integrated graphics
Deanjo: You might want to check out the anandtech reviews they tested a bunch
EruditeHermit: which would have been nice
redeeman: but how could they have graphics?!
redeeman: x58 does not have graphics
redeeman: so none of the x58 boards is gonna have it
Deanjo: Is it even possible to use a intel IGP along with a discreet card?
EruditeHermit: sorry caps lock
EruditeHermit: well, is there any brand that is better for Linux support?
EruditeHermit: the review says they are all good
Deanjo: In theory, they should all work
Deanjo: They haven't really been out enough to show potential BIOS quirks and such from board to board
EruditeHermit: I think I will go with the ASUS one then
EruditeHermit: they gave it gold
Deanjo: Like any 1st gen platform, there will probably a few quirks that have to get fixed in the bios updates and/or kernel updates
cxo: i picked up the heater for $29, but shipping + conversion to CAD = $62
EruditeHermit: any case recommendations?
cxo: should have just gone to le tire
cxo: wtf happened to the canadian dollar
cxo: obama becomes president, gas price drops in half, CAD drops by half
Deanjo: They might have it cheaper at Canadian Tire's Source stores
cxo: whatever, i've already bought it
cxo: kicks himself
cxo: actually it might be a blessing in disguise, cos i'd have gone to le tire tomorrow, and tried to play with it, instead of working
cxo: i think i'll put it up against an axle stand, its not going to stick to an alu block
Deanjo: Duct tape dude!
cxo: it wont hold tight enough
Deanjo: Don't make me send Red Green up there
cxo: what happened to Blue?