Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-12-07
edman007: isn't that why we bench? to see how much it varies?
bkero: Ceterus parabus is invalid in that case though
Deanjo: Just saying "./configure -m32" isn't all that is needed cxo
cxo: And I said it was? okaaays
bkero: You're looking for a package that doesn't have different compile paths on different hardware?
cxo: I was?
Deanjo: throws a pink imac at cxo
bkero: rides his pony.
Deanjo: I get to ride it next!!!!
Deanjo: shoves cxo out of the line
cxo: I'm really tired today
bkero: Heh, the #phoronix pet pony
cxo: i bought my 2nd car/project
bkero: You could fork the bonnie++ project, call it pony++
bkero: cxo: What car?
cxo: The first production V12 saloon car
bkero: A 1916 Packard Twin Six?
cxo: googles that
cxo: wtf is that
bkero: Packard's 1916 "Twin Six" is widely regarded as the first production V12 engine. With its list price of US$1000, the Auburn was the cheapest V12 car ever
cxo: Yes, its all classified under limousine
bkero: That's a limo? http://www.remarkablecars.com/ppads/showproduct.php/product/1724/cat/297
bkero: They call it a 'Salon Speedster'
Deanjo: Pffft puny stuff
cxo: thats a nice looking car
Deanjo: Now there is a V12
cxo: i bought a series 2 jaguar
bkero: Mmmm sexy http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5552/503e059hq.jpg
Deanjo: Sweetest sounding V-12 is that allison
cxo: you gotta hear the jag
cxo: its super silky smooth
bkero: likes the nice sound of straight downpipe and atmo wastegate :D
cxo: thats my bitch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tkxLNO8Gmw
cxo: woops wrong link
Deanjo: The wheels in that look like they ae off a 77 Chevy Vega
cxo: which looks like?
Deanjo: Hard finding a pic that shows a stock vega
cxo: those wheels look completely different
Deanjo: Those aren't stock
Deanjo: My mother had a 1977 vega and we had the factory rims fitted with snow tires. Still got them on the farm.
Deanjo: The are now on a set of harrow drawbars :D
bkero: You guys like large cars.
cxo: once you get used to drive a big powerful machine, you cant go back
bkero: Grew up driving my fathers GMC 2500, and uncles 1964 SuperBee
bkero: I now drive an MR2. :)
cxo: RX8 pwns your MR2
bkero: Yea, except for fuel economy, torque, and looks :P
bkero: It's certainly newer. And has more rotors.
cxo: it pull away from you at any speed
bkero: Never raced one, I don't think it would.
bkero: From what I've seen, RX8s are pretty slow
cxo: it would. i've seen it 1st hand
cxo: A classmate of mine had a yellow mr2
bkero: 14.486 1/4 mile. That's about the same as mine.
cxo: the RX8 redlines at 8k rpm
Deanjo: zzzzzzzzzz, my 54 dodge does that
bkero: Mine redlines at 7250
bkero: 8k RPMs really isn't impressive for a rotary engine. Get a decent street port on it and you can see higher, especially naturally aspirated.
bkero: Yea man
cxo: which mr2 do you have?
bkero: 91 Turbo
cxo: my friend '03 got whipped by an RX8, so i dont know how that compares to your car
bkero: Oh, new MR2s are hilariously slow. That car has like 120 horsepower
cxo: ah ok then
bkero: Mine has about 200 to the flywheel stock, I'm running +4psi with intake and exhaust. The boost alone should put me at 200 to the wheels, with intake/exhaust probably being negligable-10
cxo: sounds like a real whizzer
bkero: This is why I can't compete in the SCCA: http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/Lists/2006/stprepc.html
bkero: I'm trying all sorts of weird drinks at work
bkero: First I tried Arizona Tea, Diet green tea with Ginseng. Sweetened tea is terrible. Now I'm on to coconut water. Which is just plain weird.
cxo: V12s FTW
bkero: Is it carb'd
cxo: no, early fuel injection
cxo: is out
bkero: Mechanical fuel injection
Deanjo: goes retro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg
bkero: My keyboard is older than my car :(
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: please take care of the spambot "vatinc" in the phoronix forums
Ivanovic: started 4 "for sale :" topics in various subforums
Deanjo: Ya I just flagged that fuckers spam
Deanjo: thinks michaellarabel needs some moderators in the forum
Deanjo: thinks the Ivanovic bot should get it too :P
Ivanovic: there is no 'Ivanovic bot'
Ivanovic: is a highly developed human-line AI, getting ready to conquer the world
Deanjo: I know your just an Eliza knock off
Ivanovic: even makes typoes, this much human-like he is
bkero: You could have a markov chainbot moderate the forums :P
bkero: That would be deliciously stupid
Ivanovic: hmm, we could just raise the ranks of 'Jade', this would do the same...
Deanjo: In Jades case AI stands for anti-intelligence
Ivanovic: this might be...
Deanjo: Thanks for "unmucking" that wine thread michaellarabel
Deanjo: lol http://torrentfreak.com/top-10-most-pirated-games-of-2008-081204/ You got to love how the games with the most intrusive DRM are the top pirated
Kano: michaellarabel: if you have time: boot with mem=512M or less memory and repeat your compile tests on encr. home. usually that should show more differences. you have got only bigger differences when you force a cache fail
Deanjo: just notices that opterons now make up 7 out of the top 10 supercomputers
maligor: good for amd
Deanjo: 1 intel
Deanjo: 2 ppc the rest amd
maligor: probably cheaper to build what with HT
Deanjo: Any wonder why they bring out the opties before the consumer stuff?
Deanjo: Well, they have a key partner with Cray
maligor: I just mean they have a interconnect directly plugged to the cpu
maligor: but I haven't a clue how to design supercomputers
Deanjo: Ya, bottlenecks were the Achilles heel for the intels
Deanjo: 4 of those super computers in the top 10 were Crays
Deanjo: I find it amusing that the Shanghai Supercomputer Center ironically use Barcelona Procs :P
maligor: Intel sponsored?
Deanjo: No the old opterons were barcelona's the new ones are Shanghai's
Deanjo: They should have waited a year to build their supercomputer :D
maligor: yeah, would've saved power too
Deanjo: And probably gone up a few notches on the list
maligor: but there'a always another product to wait for
maligor: what I want is a Cortex-A9 supercomputer cluster
Deanjo: Ya, I know, but I get to damn impatient waiting for my 512 core system
maligor: x86 is pretty bad choice for a supercomputer anyway
maligor: aside from the fact that they're consumerized
maligor: so they're cheap
Deanjo: lol, they make up the huge majority of supercomputers
maligor: yeah, but crap architecture for a supercomputer anyway
maligor: they won't be running adobe photoshop cs4 anyway
Deanjo: You will never convince me that ARM would be better
maligor: oh, arm wouldn't
maligor: I think the only competitor these days is POWER
Deanjo: PPC's are not as efficient as made out to be
maligor: I mean POWER5
maligor: not PPC
Deanjo: Power5's are evolved PPC's
maligor: you won't get anywhere near the bang for buck from ibm tho
maligor: you mean they share lots of instructions
Deanjo: No, same family
maligor: power5s are multithreaded multicore cpu's
Deanjo: Saying they are not PPC's is like saying the Xeons are not a X86
maligor: well, ppc is a subset of power
maligor: the instructions ets
maligor: err.. sets
maligor: oh, never noticed they released power6 already too
maligor: upto 4.7ghz
Deanjo: Ya it's been out for a bit
maligor: anyway, as to your comparison
maligor: you could say it's like saying Netburst is the same as Core2 arch
Deanjo: PPC was not only a instruction set. It was also marketed as a arch
Deanjo: Technically you are right though, PPC is a branch of the Power Architecture
RobbieAB: I thought PPC referred to the arch family.
RobbieAB: The same way x86 and amd64 do
Deanjo: Technically it's the POWER Family
maligor: I wonder why xbox360 and ps3 went for PPC
maligor: I think it's just a question of economies
maligor: supercomputers on x86 are cheaper because there aren't many supercomputers, but there's a crapload of x86
RobbieAB: maligor: pretty much, plus modern x86 is not old x86.
RobbieAB: So if you use the modern chips properly, instead of running old x86, you get a rather different result.
maligor: there's a crapload of unused logic in modern x86
maligor: mostly it's in the translators tho
Deanjo: Linux doesn't help the confusion by labelling distro's AMD64 and PPC
redeeman: and some morons doesn't help by labelling x64 which is obviously crap
Deanjo: ps3 technically isn't PPC either
Deanjo: That's Cell
Deanjo: The 360 is yet another offshoot
maligor: you're right, but they're Power
maligor: just not PowerPC
Deanjo: But yet you use the PPC release on a Cell ;D
cxo: No overall chart again
bkero: Isn't the 360 just PPC970?
cxo: triple core ppc
maligor: with 2 threading units
bkero: and in-order
bkero: hawt http://usbip.sourceforge.net/
bkero: Mmm, New Top Ger
cxo: saves TG for dinner time
EruditeHermit: anyone have suggestions for the best video card in Linux?
EruditeHermit: I would really like to find an X58 motherboard with intel built in video card, but it doesn't seem to exist yet
redeeman: EruditeHermit: it does not, the intel video stuff is in the chipset, and X58 does not have that...
EruditeHermit: that being said, I am in a bind about video cards
EruditeHermit: nvidia doesn't have open drivers and ati doesn't have 3D support (yet) for the newer cards with open drivers
EruditeHermit: nvidia proprietary driver beats ati
EruditeHermit: any suggestions?
Chuffy: if you're gaming on linux, well, good luck with that. Otherwise an el-cheapo nvidia card will be more than sufficient, imo
cxo: Nvidia is the only video card you should buy if you are going to use 3d on linux
EruditeHermit: I want to build a computer to run blender
EruditeHermit: my current computers are 5+ years old
EruditeHermit: well my laptop is 4 and a half years old
EruditeHermit: my preference is to do it using open drivers if at all possible
cxo: EruditeHermit, then buy a really old ati card, r200 chip
cxo: EruditeHermit, http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature
cxo: even then, there is no GLSL
cxo: or proper opengl compliance
cxo: r100 is the best supported
cxo: go for that
EruditeHermit: cxo: I don't want to do that
EruditeHermit: cxo: I can't run blender on one of those
EruditeHermit: cxo: besides newer ati cards are just as well supported as those cards
EruditeHermit: cxo: I have 2 r300 cards
EruditeHermit: they work well enough for everything other than blender
cxo: then do the right thing
EruditeHermit: cxo: which is?
cxo: hey bkero
bkero: I'm at work :(
cxo: Did you catch TG?
bkero: I did
cxo: where do you live?
bkero: New York at the moment
cxo: oh yeah NY r
cxo: What/Where did you watch it off?
bkero: The internet
cxo: what website?
bkero: Private tracker
cxo: bittorrent ok
bkero: There's nowhere else to watch it in the states :/
cxo: i usually stream it, but its late today
bkero: The Caterham segment was nice, reminds me of why I want a super 7 replica.
bkero: And the Fiesta part was awesome. The communist cars portion was a bit lame though.
cxo: Are you British? Live in Britain? Or went to a British school?
bkero: None of the above.
cxo: Then you will find a lot of British humor lame
bkero: But there wasn't that much humor in the communist car segment.
cxo: Well i was just saying general
bkero: I'm a big fan of Top Gear in general
cxo: yeah, everyone is
cxo: How come you are at work? Its sunday night?
Darklock: "a man from the vaterland delivered it to us (...) he said: das bonnet ist nicht für das gefingerpoken." :->
bkero: Writing unit tests, deadline tomorrow.
cxo: Unless you live in Japan
bkero: Unit tests suck.
bkero: scours the internet for open source tube-frame kit car plans.
bkero: The OSCar looks pretty silly
bkero: Sweet, I'm going to the engadget holiday party
cxo: i need a program that will port forward
cxo: without perms
cxo: like from port localhost:10000 to blah.com:2345
cxo: i guess i could write it myself, but if there is something out there, it would save me the job
edman007: cxo, i got one...lemme find it
edman007: cxo, https://jtgfashion.homelinux.org/~edman007/proxyALL.zip (ignore all the cert errors on that url)
edman007: with that `java Proxy 61000 irc.freenode.net 6667` will make localhost:61000 go to irc.freenode.net:6667
edman007: also, ssh -D is useful too
edman007: i used mostly that until i found ssh -D & tsocks
edman007: ...i can't find the page where i got that thing though...its old..
edman007: rofl, the code is from 1999
bkero: Well it's not like TCP/IP has changed much since then
cxo: i dont want to use ssh
cxo: that java program is nice
edman007: bkero, yea, but its written using a very old version of java, before it supported just connecting two streams and letting the OS handle it, in short its fairly inefficient for what it does
bkero: I'd almost code my own at that point
bkero: ...Or just use SSH
cxo: edman007, thanks, that worked out well
edman007: nice :)
cxo: i used it to bridge 2 ssh tunnels