bkero: Grumdig SMASH
Marox: moin
Kano: hi Marox
Deanjo: michaellarabel, Songbird went 1.0.0 now http://getsongbird.com/
Marox: michael ?
michaellarabel: Hi
Kano: hi michaellarabel
Marox: ./phoronix-test-suite system-info should show the desktop enviroment i use.. but not for xubuntu ( xfce4)
Marox: you sheck the running processes, but they use xfce-mcs-manager, not xfce4-session
Marox: at least in 8.04
Marox: *check
michaellarabel: So I take it you've looked at that part of the code then? So on line 271 of pts-functions_system_software.php if you add || pts_process_running_bool("xfce-mcs-manager") does it work?
Marox: jep
Marox: no idea what other distors use, but perhaps xfdesktop is suitable, too
michaellarabel: I think when I wrote that code, I was using Xubuntu 8.10
michaellarabel: Just committed the xfce-mcs-manager detection
Samuel-NotAFK: Beet1ejuice: Do you play UT2004?
Milyardo: Has anyone here put in a steam support ticket before?
Milyardo: How long does it usualy take to respond?
Milyardo: I sent them this letter but I've heard nothing from them
Milyardo: http://pastebin.com/m7e35e2fb
Kano: Milyardo: why dont you use the backup feature
Kano: more easy to use
Kano: and just restore the backup
Milyardo: With 80+ machines?
Milyardo: That'd take forever to do manualy
Milyardo: to do that with every game too would be a pain
Kano: then install one and clone the rest
Milyardo: A solution that can let us download each game on demand would be best
Milyardo: I would but there are may or may not be liscencse issues with that
Milyardo: I want to be as legit as a possible
Milyardo: since I'm doing this as an officer of the ACM
Milyardo: I think its really dumb, but I must repect those liscenses out of professionalism
Milyardo: *for the sake of
Milyardo: is libdrm_intel.so.1 is missing from jaunty's libdrm package or does it belong in xserver-xorg-video-intel?
Milyardo: either way its missing from both
Kano: libdrm-intel1
Kano: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
Kano: use that
Milyardo: :) Thanks kano, found that package right after I asked
Kano: well thats the most easy way
bkero: Jihad
Milyardo: o.O
cxo: I need to expand a 3 drive Raid5, what to do....?
cxo: Its LVM2'd, so i guess i could find a few big disks, and get LVM to move all the extents over, then recreate the array, and move them back, but i would need a few big disks for a couple of days
redeeman: you can add disks to a software raid5 and expand it
cxo: wtf, you can add disks to software raid5?
redeeman: yes
cxo: how do you do it?
redeeman: well.. read mdadm's man page :P
redeeman: but as to having support for it
cxo: ok
redeeman: what did you think CONFIG_MD_RAID5_RESHAPE was for? :P
redeeman: also known as "Support adding drives to a raid-5 array"
cxo: interesting
cxo: ok this is really cool
cxo: do you know how it works?
redeeman: it recalculates the entire "striping" and redoes it
cxo: i see you need to supply a backup file path
redeeman: i know a guy that did it
redeeman: that's because it cannot move the first stuff securely
redeeman: anyway, there should be some example
cxo: i'm reading the man page
cxo: looks awfully scary
cxo: is scurred
redeeman: it should be relatively safe
cxo: i've gone through numerous drive failures and have resync'd successfully, so i do have some degree of faith in linux software raid
redeeman: i think most people agree that linux software raid is extremely solid
bkero: It's easier to replace than a hardware raid card :P
bkero: and it lets you http://scotgate.org/2006/07/03/growing-a-raid5-array-mdadm/
redeeman: i would never trust hardware raid
bkero: :)
bkero: Sun stopped putting hardware RAID in their Thumpers. They're using ZFS RAID now.
cxo: Increasing the number of active devices in a RAID5 is much more effort.
cxo: Every block in the array will need to be read and written back to a new
cxo: location. From 2.6.17, the Linux Kernel is able to do this safely,
cxo: including restart and interrupted "reshape".
cxo: What can't Linux do anymore
cxo: oh yeah... play games
redeeman: it can play games
redeeman: it's a considerably better gaming platform than winblows for instance
redeeman: just some software is only released for crappy OSs
bkero: I wonder if someone will ever release an open source equivalent to DirectX.
bkero: I've heard pygame is the furthest along in that effort, but I haven't heard many good things about it. :/
redeeman: but even m$ is outphasing most of the DX crap
bkero: I had a couple ideas of open source equivalents today. One was steam, and one was directx.
cxo: bkero, it was called Fahrenheit, funded by MS, and done by SGI, it was a massive failure
cxo: Linux is a shit gaming OS
redeeman: lol
cxo: Even today there is no streamlined way of direct rendering
bkero: What makes a good gaming OS?
redeeman: nothing of which games care about, cxo
redeeman: games doesn't give a shit how that is implemented
cxo: An OS that can support 3D
bkero: cxo: I'd say the operating system on my SNES worked remarkably well, and that only supported 3D through the FX chip on starfox carts.
redeeman: what games needs, is to just have libGL etc
bkero: Part of the DirectX package is standardized access to other hardware as well, such as joysticks.
bkero: Some already-implemented low-level networking code helps, so you don'ot need to build a group-up network implementation for multiplayer.
Deanjo: reads the rumors of the Phenom II being released Dec 18th
maligor: already?
Deanjo: Ya, rumor showed up on the Inquirer so take that with a grain of salt
bkero: waits for Phenom II until Dec 18th 2009.
redeeman: is there any chipsets that are good?
Deanjo: Why bother continuing to troll on that redeeman. We all are aware how you unjustifiably feel about chipsets.
redeeman: lol unjustifiable
redeeman: does AMD make any usable chipsets?
redeeman: that's my question
redeeman: i am going by YOUR word whether it sucks or not
Deanjo: ATI, no, Nvidia, yes
redeeman: but you also think nvidias graphics driver is good
redeeman: which i know to not be so
Deanjo: Maybe when AMD brings out their 8xx series chipset they will finally get that AHCI/USB issue solved
redeeman: so how can i possibly accept your word that their chipsets won't do all sorts of crap like nvidia always have done in the past?
Deanjo: redeeman, current chipsets are compatible with the phenom II
redeeman: yes but i have a nonnvidia chipset policy
Deanjo: Ya well that's your problem
GNU\colossus: bkero: sound to me like you'd want to have SDL on your system
redeeman: actually, that's AMDs problem, as they are turning me towards intel, which has offerings on every shelf
GNU\colossus: best of all, it's not only available for GNU/Linux :)
Deanjo: I've had more shitty intel chipsets in the past then amd chipsets
GNU\colossus: I've actually never had any SEVERE problems with any chipset
redeeman: well.. intel chipsets(aka from intel) have far better reputation than nvidia
GNU\colossus: and I used quite a lot different brands and models in the past 10+ years
Deanjo: That maybe true for the nvidia intel chipsets, it's quite a different story on the nvidia amd chipsets
redeeman: i know about nforce1,2,3 for AMD
redeeman: and nforce professional
redeeman: and the news aint good
bkero: I sitll use an nForce4 chipset on my desktop :/
redeeman: i feel for you
Deanjo: I would disagree. I've had all of those, the only chipset I have not used is the NF4
redeeman: there ought to be shelters
redeeman: like for homeless people
redeeman: where they give them clothes and food
redeeman: where nforce owners can come
redeeman: to be comforted
Deanjo: !ignore redeeman
redeeman: for their misfortune
GNU\colossus: I've had nf2 and nf4, both were solid
bkero: It was the best chipset available for the 939 socket.
GNU\colossus: nf3 sucked for me
GNU\colossus: probably the board mfters. fault though
bkero: I have an DFI LanParty SLI-DR Expert. Awesome shit.
bkero: The onboard ethernet is troublesome though. I've had some problems with blocking some weird gaming traffic, so I switch to the marvell nic.
Deanjo: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3471
redeeman: anyone that can recommend a tower for fileserver? 8-10 disks
cxo: doesnt supermicro make some nice cases
cxo: Anyone know a pizza box that will take 5x 3.5" drives?
Deanjo: redeeman, this is the one I got for my media server http://www.coolermaster.com/products/product.php?language=en&act=detail&tbcate=17&id=4
Deanjo: lots of bays in it
bkero: There's some chen(ming|bro)s on newegg that do
Deanjo: I also added a couple of these to add to the available 3 1/2 bays as well to cool the drives http://www.coolermaster.com/products/product.php?language=en&act=detail&tbcate=65&id=2542
cxo: only does pizza boxes
Deanjo: cxo, Canucks should use beer boxes
cxo: edia.org/wiki/Pizza_box_form_factor
cxo: ugh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_box_form_factor
Deanjo: I know what they are
cxo: most of them only take 2.5" drives or just one or two 3.5" drives
cxo: i'm looking for one that will take 5x 3.5" drives
Deanjo: I've got an old Tandy 1000 RLX that was a pizzabox
Deanjo: My NEC Alpha system is a pizzabox too
Deanjo: Err NCR Alpha
cxo: this looks nice http://www.harddata.com/racks/1U/
Deanjo: Real bitch getting a Thermalright 120 Extreme on that though :P
maligor: Deanjo, might look like those ricer cars with the intake
Deanjo: I guess Coolermasters new V8 cooler gives the 120 Extreme a run for it's money now
Deanjo: lol yup maligor
maligor: jeez, Coolermaster V12..
Deanjo: thinks the V-8 cooler should of came with a blower pulley system
maligor: the V12 looks like it has two V8's bolted together
Deanjo: Ya that sucker can't be light
cxo: is test driving a 5.3l v12 tomorrow
redeeman: hmm i feel that there should exist a better suited fileserver tower
Deanjo: did you take a look at that coolermaster link I put up redeeman ?
redeeman: yeah but i don't like it
redeeman: i'd need to buy those sata disk bays
redeeman: i want something that allows one to easily mount the disks directly
redeeman: sortof like what lian li towers has
maligor: The V8 weighs 865grams?
Deanjo: ok, it's a really nice to work on and is nice and quiet
maligor: oneday they'll be impossible to mount because they'll rip the case and mb to pieces
Deanjo: Ya better make sure all your MB screws are in lo
Deanjo: l
redeeman: Deanjo: but i'd need those 5 1/2 bays then?
Deanjo: Ya if you want to fill them up
Deanjo: Or use 5 1/4 to 3 1/2 adapters
redeeman: well i need atleast 8 disks now that i cannot use the 1.5tb's
redeeman: yeah but with those adapters it's a hell to get the disks out
Deanjo: That's where that 4 in 3 block is really nice
redeeman: maybe i should just go with the chieftec tower
bkero: just uses a TDX :) Much lighter than giant heatsinks.
bkero: Check out Icydocks, they're quite nice
bkero: 5x3.5 in 3x5.25"
maligor: I use a 286, no need for a heatsink
bkero: I use a beagleboard, bitches. No need for a power supply. Just plug in USB.
bkero: 2 watts peak usage
Deanjo: So you plug your beagle board into a USB hub for power?
Deanjo: *powered USB hub
maligor: usb max is 2.5watts I think :P
Deanjo: Still if your running a beagle board you don't want to be tied to another computer to power it
maligor: usb wall wallwarts are pretty cheap
Deanjo: Ya I guess you could use a ipod charger or something like that
maligor: if it has a dc jack, you could just use any 5v switching too
Deanjo: Ya I see that now
Deanjo: It would be kind of stupid for them not to have a standard barrel connection on it
Deanjo: wants a beagleboard with a PCI-e 16x slot on it :P
redeeman: why?
Deanjo: tis humor
Deanjo: The only real use I would have for a beagleboard is to make digital music players in old tombstone radios
Deanjo: redeeman, you might want to take a look at this case http://techreport.com/articles.x/15943/1
maligor: looks like a fridge
Deanjo: I'm still looking for one with a beer tap on it
maligor: mm.. a beer keg pc case
bkero: Deanjo: I have a voltage booster tied to 10 18650 2.2Ah cells.
bkero: 2.2*3.7*10 is 81.4Wh. The voltage booster is 86% efficient. That's 70Wh available to the beagle. At 2 watts per hour.
michaellarabel: Tonight to git master I should be committing support so you can now run say: phoronix-test-suite benchmark encode-mp3 encode-ogg gaming
cxo: I just saw something interesting on ebay
cxo: A PCI-E riser, but its just a ribbon cable
cxo: That would mean you could probably have a case with just video cards in it,
cxo: i think thats pretty cool
Deanjo: Same idea as PCI-e riser cards on low profile systems
Deanjo: They have had that around since the ISA days
cxo: Yeah but ISA was 8mhz
Deanjo: I've got a PCI --> ISA adapter setup here
cxo: I want a 1u box for my next PC
cxo: but finding a box that will let the dual slot 4870 fit will be hard
cxo: got the idea from some guy on tomshardware, he had the same setup, but with a 3870
maligor: cxo, well.. yes, but I don't think the cablelengths can be very long for pcie
cxo: yeah
bkero: If you make it longer(external) you might need to clock down the PCI-E bus.
bkero: It's getting the bits back in time to complete 100MHz that's a problem
cxo: or put the bus master on the other side
cxo: use optic fiber for interconnect :)
bkero: ...yea
cxo: Wouldnt it be great though? For those enthusiasts? You buy 4x cards and SLI them with their own power supply and case. and just take an optical line and plug it into your nice little shuttle cube
bkero: shrugs. Nothing stopping you from doing that now
bkero: http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7016/hahaohmandb1.png
bkero: Fiber's pretty expensive though
Deanjo: hmmm, gonna have to pick up a few of these http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/flash_drives/ocz_throttle_esata_flash_drive
cxo: salsa makes all the pretty girls dance and take off their underpants
cxo: my salsa
cxo: I dont get why we dont have hybrid disks. Like the first 20gb SSD and the rest magnetic disk
cxo: you only need a small amount of SSD for the OS anyways
cxo: Do you have a PcCyber where you like?
redeeman: lol
redeeman: Deanjo: what do those cost?
redeeman: and where might i buy them?
Deanjo: $105 for the 32 gigger here
redeeman: what about 8?
Deanjo: Don't have a price on the 8 or 16 yet
Deanjo: I would imagine probably around the $50 mark for the 8
cxo: wants a new socket set for christmas
Deanjo: gives cxo a empty string of Christmas lights
Deanjo: There now you have a new set of sockets :P
cxo: haha
redeeman: then again
redeeman: maybe usb is good enough for OS
cxo: I was actually thinking of making my own lights this year. Clear flexi PVC and lots of LEDs
cxo: redeeman, i have Vista on an external IDE drive (over USB)
cxo: i use it to play games now and then
Deanjo: Well with the USB interface your always going to be alot slower
redeeman: cxo: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5766
cxo: it works fine
redeeman: Deanjo: yeah but i don't need speed really, i just imagine those ocz's might be better quality
cxo: 50W!! LED? WTF
Deanjo: I'm thinking of using them for the HTPC's
redeeman: cxo: that thing will blow your eyes out of your socket
cxo: 1700 Lumens, its like a car head light
redeeman: yeah lol
redeeman: it's extremely tempting to buy it just for the hell of it
cxo: Guess that makes a good HDD activity LED upgrade
Deanjo: That's what I was thinking lol
redeeman: better yet, the power led
Deanjo: Then give it to an epileptic
cxo: Vcc is a little high though, 18v
Deanjo: Current draw isn't exactly light either
Deanjo: 2.5A
redeeman: well what do you expect?
cxo: 12v
cxo: It would go into a PC then
redeeman: you can get 17v easily
cxo: from what?
redeeman: the 12 and 5v rails
cxo: and you will have to make a regulator
cxo: otherwise a switching supply will oscillate and burn out
redeeman: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11809
redeeman: a big zener diode on that
redeeman: and it will run off the 5v rail
redeeman: only ~700 lumen, but still alot
cxo: very cute
cxo: could make some nice tail lights out of that
Deanjo: Easiest solution would to make a voltage multiplier. You would would also have to use a SSR for use on a mb LED hookup
redeeman: you could use a standard optocoupler to connect to mb led
Deanjo: I doubt a standard optocoupler would handle the current
redeeman: there are standard versions in all sorts of sizes :P
redeeman: i have some big ones
Deanjo: You typically use optocouplers in conjunction with a transistor for high current loads
Deanjo: A ssr you don't need to do that
redeeman: well.. i guess some people thought it was ugly using two components, and built in a darlington
bkero: lmao
bkero: In nvidia's vdpau svn mplayer repo, they fucked up libavcodec again
bkero: They didn't #define INFINITY
bkero: and they're still fucking up C99 code
bkero: vdpauvideo.c:268: error: 'for' loop initial declaration used outside C99 mode
Deanjo: That's patched already
redeeman: i wonder when ffmpeg will arse themselves to merge the multithreading code
Deanjo: bkero, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124228
cxo: What is INFINITY?
bkero: cxo: They #define it as HUGE_VAL in libmpcodec, but not libavcodec
bkero: I already patched it myself. :P
bkero: I wonder if they even bother to try to compile it after they work on it
cxo: whats HUGE_VAL?
bkero: Couldn't see it defined anywhere
bkero: Probably in some hidden in some far off header file, not in mplayer-vdpau though
cxo: printf it
Deanjo: bkero, it actually compiles fine here without the patch
Deanjo: whoops that was the previous version
bkero: I had to fix their for(int i;;) in the previous version too
bkero: :/
Deanjo: Actually it wasn't 3139462 finishes compiling
bkero: Shit, what provides libvdpau.so.180.11?
redeeman: the drivers, version 180.11?!
bkero: Not according to gentoo, maybe I have to unpack it and copy them over myself
bkero: They're not in an equery nvidia-drivers files
Deanjo: did you install the 180.11 via emerge?
bkero: Yes
Deanjo: that explains it
bkero: ?
Deanjo: There is a issue with gentoo's emerge on the 180.11's apparently
redeeman: http://neugierig.org/software/c-repl/
Deanjo: There were some guys yacking about it in the nvidia room today
redeeman: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/binfmtc.html
bkero: Well, gentoo doesn't have an 180.11 ebuild, I made it myself. I didn't think they actually just untarred it and picked files from it. Guess I should read my own ebuilds more carefully, lol.
bkero: Latest nvidia drivers is fucking 177.82
Deanjo: Ya it sounds like you missed some then
redeeman: which is tha latest stable release from nvidia
Deanjo: yup
Deanjo: Although I will take a nv beta over a ati "official" anyday
bkero: The latest stable in gentoo is...173.14.09
bkero: Don't think a 9400M is gonna work with something that old
redeeman: no, the latest in gentoo stable is.....
bkero: needed to update eix
bkero: 71.86.06 96.43.07 100.14.09 (~)100.14.11 100.14.19 [M](~)100.14.23 (~)169.07 (~)169.09 169.09-r1 (~)169.12 [M](~)173.08 (~)173.14.05 173.14.09 (~)173.14.12 [M](~)177.13 [M](~)177.67 [M](~)177.68 [M](~)177.70 (~)177.80 (~)177.82 (~)180.08[1] (~)180.11[1]
cxo: ?
bkero: Available versions:
redeeman: lol eix
redeeman: use paludis
bkero: would rather not. I've had to repair countless freenode boxes from christel switching them all over to paludis and back again.
redeeman: lol
redeeman: 71.86.06 96.43.07 100.14.09 100.14.11 100.14.19 (100.14.23)R 169.07 169.09 169.09-r1 169.12 (173.08)R 173.14.05 173.14.09 173.14.12 (177.13)R (177.67)R (177.68)R (177.70)R 177.80 177.82 {:0}
redeeman: paludis is so much better than portage/emerge
bkero: Erm, 177.82 is unstable
redeeman: it's keyworded, but it's a "stable" release from nvidia
bkero: That's why I said the latest _gentoo_ stable is 173.14.09
bkero: I accepted that it was nvidia's latest stable, because I'm too lazy to check
redeeman: no, that's what I said, you said latest stable in gentoo is
redeeman: :P
bkero: When I talk about stable packages in gentoo, I'm talking about the marking of stability in gentoo, not elsewhere.
bkero: Whee, and I made a good ebuild
Deanjo: heh
Deanjo: i'll reseat it when the driver is installed
Deanjo: Could a bad motherboard has damaged the card?
Deanjo: I plugged it into another system
Deanjo: and a terrible smell emerged
bkero: Jittery video is jittery :/
bkero: Whow as getting the GF 8400 PCI for the Atom to test out vdpau?
Darklock: oh my gosh, the ads on phoronix are actually hitting my DSL connection to the max, I loaded several MB of data because it was stuck in a loop
Darklock: and that is not the first time
cxo: this is why you use adblock plus
cxo: and noscript
bkero: I really need to start managing my cookies :/
Darklock: sure, if that problem accured on other sites as well, I might give a thought to that but I am doing fine with right-click --> Block Images from This Server
bkero: I wish that adblock plus still supported div blocking. it still does, but you have to go into it's preferences menu and add a manual filter. :/
Darklock: michaellarabel: you missed X³: Reunion shipping date..
cxo: adblock allows you to subscribe to ad lists
cxo: you dont need to keep adding things. its very rarely you will need to manually block something
Darklock: it might be rare but there are some that I want to see
cxo: you're weird
Darklock: I am in #phoronix and you found that out just now?
bkero: Weird bones
Deanjo: bkero, guys are getting smooth playback on mythtv and atom+8400GS's
bkero: Cool
Deanjo: They say about 5-10% cpu usage on 1080p
bkero: Not bad
bkero: Now if I could just get it to work consistently. I hope this version will work with my videos.
Deanjo: Ya better combo for power consumption would be a 22 watt X2 on a 780g chipset with a 8400GT card
bkero: Not if you can get an atom with a 945gse chipset
bkero: The only thing that blows the deal for power consumption is the shitty 945gc 22.2w chipset
Deanjo: Was just gonna say, until you can get better atom chipsets
bkero: 945gse chipsets are what's used in eee boxes and netbooks
bkero: MSI makes an atom board with a gse
bkero: It's OBNOXIOUSLY expensive though
Deanjo: Ya well the 945gse is what 12 watts?
bkero: Er
bkero: It's 5 or 7
bkero: I don't remember which
bkero: I think it's 7
Deanjo: It would be pretty close powerwise since the 22 watt X2 wouldn't be running full bore
bkero: and the s15w is 5
bkero: http://ark.intel.com/chipset.aspx?familyID=35553
bkero: 6 watts
bkero: and the N270 is 2.5 watts
bkero: So 8.5 watts total
Deanjo: Well plus your hd video etc
Deanjo: 8400GS draws about 22 watts playing accelerated video
bkero: I have an X2 running at 3.25GHz, and it can barely play 1080p x264 in vlc
bkero: I'm not sure how the clockspeed will scale the performance on it.
Deanjo: vlc really sucks for hd playback and cpu usage
bkero: mplayer wasn't much better. It improved with some lavd opts
Deanjo: I know what gets choppy in vlc (talking pure cpu decoding) plays fine on a 4200+ here in xinelib
bkero: Looks like an 8400gs will use 38 watts peak
Deanjo: Ya that's doing 3d rendering though
Deanjo: which isn't used video decoding
bkero: video accel is kinda video decoding
bkero: It displays a triangle and renders the video on it :P
bkero: I'm using vdpau right now to render 720p x264 and it's putting my 9400M in performance level 2
Deanjo: wasn't it the nv-1 that rendered squares?
bkero: shrugs. i remember one of them rendered 2 triangles to do filters with
bkero: My roommate built a cheap X2 with an onboard RS690. It sort of does xvmc accel, but not x264.
bkero: RS690 support in radeonhd has been kind of sketchy.
Deanjo: The 690 sucks ass