migoaaaa: hi..can a *nix box compare to windows performance ? by taking off all the fat from the kernel
migoaaaa: i need max. perf ..least features to run an oracle db server
migoaaaa: anybody there ?
Milyardo: Good Morning #phoronix
bkero: Phoronix
Marox: moin
cxo: moin
bkero: pero pero
cxo: peso peso
bkero: desu desu
Deanjo: numa numa
Milyardo: sore wa na desu ka?!?
Milyardo: michaellarabel: Your advertisements have been getting better since you became an IDGNetwork partner
Milyardo: but I still think they're somewhat off targget
bkero: kore wa nijyu-ban desu
Milyardo: sou desu ne?
Milyardo: bkero-san, nihonog wa benkyo shimasu ka?
cxo: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10113197-92.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1001_3-0-5
bkero: ie, nihongo wa benkyo shimasen desu
Milyardo: sou desu ne?
Milyardo: nihon kara desu?
Milyardo: anata no nihongo wa ii desu yo !! :)
bkero: I've only taken a single term of Japanese. I need to take another next month to graduate.
bkero: I need to re-remember hriagana.
bkero: *hiragana
Milyardo: Ahh, I lived in Japan for 3 years in Okinawa
Milyardo: I also took Japanese In High school
Milyardo: but It was way to easy
cxo: Are Japanese girls hot?
Milyardo: I jumped to 4th level japanese class in 10th grade
bkero: I just spent a month there as an exchange student. :P
Milyardo: :P
Milyardo: I wa sonly 6 years old when i lived there so I don't know if they're hot
bkero: Japanese hotties?
Deanjo: Deanjo Plays: Ra3 Theme - Soviet March by OST on Command and Conquer Red Alert 3 [Year: 2008] [Track: 1] [Length: 2:47] [Bitrate: 214] [Size: 4.26 MB]
cxo: scratches his head, wondering where amarok found Love Locked Out by Dexter Gordon from The Complete Blue Note Sixties Sessions
cxo: Yours is too nerdy Deanjo
Deanjo: heh, Mine used to give the amazon link to the albumn
cxo: i use last.fm http://www.last.fm/user/cruiseoveride
Deanjo: *sigh* command and conquer used to have the coolest installers
Deanjo: Now they are just as lame as any other
cxo: does it work on wine?
Deanjo: Still working on it
cxo: silver and gold status
Deanjo: Does in vmware's unity mode
cxo: looks good
Deanjo: As always with C&C kickass soundtrack
cxo: but you need to apply a special patch to 1.1.8 first
cxo: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14371
Deanjo: Not surprising most EA games work ok with wine
Deanjo: especially since they started coding with cider in mind
cxo: i'll play it on windows when i buy another computer
bkero: What does cider give that wine doesn't? I was never quite sure of that
bkero: Is it just an API?
cxo: cider is just the gay port
cxo: for gay users
cxo: aka mac owners
bkero: ...Or you could just use darwine?
maligor: and not a straight port?
cxo: Clean C99 code will always work. People just get excited with cruddy WIN API and things get funky
Deanjo: It doesn't give anything directly to wine, in "theory" according to transgaming games using cider should work in wine
bkero: Spore did a pretty impressive job integrating cider for an OS X port, although something native would have been better.
maligor: Native wine, eh?
cxo: hey Tania is back!!!
Deanjo: Yup
cxo: Shake'm baby
Deanjo: C&C has always been my fave RTS
cxo: http://appdb.winehq.org/appimage.php?iId=21003
maligor: C&C is dreadful
bkero: Red Alert was pretty good
maligor: Supreme Commander/TA and Total War are the best RTS's
cxo: C&C was one of the first big RTS
Deanjo: To each his own maligor
Deanjo: Some of us are not into insane micro management
maligor: well, SC does have some micro management
cxo: wants to make love to Tania in that red hat of hers
maligor: I think the FVM stories in all C&C are bloody stupid
cxo: wtf is mico management? a gay course for econ majors?
bkero: remembers Tania's little audio clips
maligor: They're like X class movies
Deanjo: lol The over the top acting is the whole idea of the game maligor
cxo: The cut scenes rocked ass even back in 1996
maligor: Deanjo, well, I'm a sucker for games with reasonable storylines
Deanjo: It's one of the best parts
maligor: I can't stand them
Deanjo: It's done on purpose and by design
cxo: What? Like NFS?
maligor: mm, I have to say Wintendo 2008 is pretty decent as wintendo's go
cxo: I just want unlimited units ok,
maligor: Deanjo, and the actual 'RTS' part of them is pretty unimaginative
cxo: i couldnt give a shit about stories
Deanjo: lol no NFS is just a bad attempt at ripping off Fast and Furious
cxo: i was asking maligor
maligor: SC has pretty high unit caps
cxo: 200
maligor: skirmishes you can put 1000 or was it 5000
cxo: no you cant
maligor: pretty sure you can
cxo: Nope
Deanjo: The other one I used to like was called 'Z'
maligor: it definately wasn't 200
cxo: per race is 200
maligor: err?
maligor: you mean SupCom or C&C?
cxo: And you can only play 1 race at a time, unless you're mental
cxo: StarCraft?
cxo: wtf is SupCom?
maligor: meh, StarCraft is crap
cxo: is that another gay game
cxo: SupCom? hahaa
maligor: no, one of the best RTS's around
maligor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHothxZQoWo
cxo: no it isnt
Deanjo: I didn't think it was that great
maligor: I do
Deanjo: lost interest in it pretty quick
maligor: It has some issues tho
cxo: The best strategy games are (in no particular order), C&C family, Starcraft and Warcraft
maligor: heh
Deanjo: Ya the actual Warcrafts were good too
maligor: blizzard fanboy
cxo: Maybe Total Annihilation even
cxo: but that was short lived, they didnt release a sequel
maligor: huh?
maligor: Supreme Commander is TA2
Marox: total annihilation.. my favorit
maligor: quite frankly I'm surprised you don't know
cxo: Supreme Commander is gay
maligor: even the storyline is pretty similiar to TA
cxo: fuk the story
maligor: The AI in it is a bit too easy tho
cxo: AI is always easy, except when its buggy like in FarCry2 or Crysis
cxo: then they just totally blast your ass off, even if you are 2km away
maligor: but TotalWar is probably the best RTS for .... moments :P:
maligor: like when the idiot enemy tries to breach your walls and you have a bunch of cannons pointing at the gate
cxo: The best strategy games are (in no particular order), C&C family, Starcraft and Warcraft
maligor: cxo, do you have that on some sort of automatic response or what?
Milyardo: I would
maligor: maybe I should repeat myself: I think C&C and *craft are crap
maligor: unimaginative and boring mechanics
cxo: You think wrong
Milyardo: I thought CoH was a great RTS, an underrated one at least
Milyardo: but the expansion ruined it :(
Deanjo: michaellarabel, you see this? http://willem.engen.nl/projects/disper/
maligor: yeah, CoH is pretty good, I don't like WW2 settings tho
Deanjo: WW2 games have been done to death
Milyardo: not WW2 RTSs though
maligor: there's plenty of WW2 RTS
Milyardo: The a bridge too far saries was epic fail
Milyardo: no matter what the theme
cxo: The best strategy games are (in no particular order), C&C family, Starcraft and Warcraft
Deanjo: http://www.rakrent.com/rtsc/html/glist-ww2.htm
Deanjo: lots of them
maligor: Empires: Total War looks fantastic too
maligor: Close Combat too
Milyardo: 7 isn't that many
Milyardo: not at least when compared to the WW2 FPS genre size
cxo: so did you see, 1million people downloaded the new batman movie?
cxo: Now thats what i call good p2p warez
Deanjo: I was just reading how the uTorrent crew is switching to UDP instead of TCP to thwart throttling
cxo: state based firewalls can pick udp up as well
Deanjo: That's gonna piss off the VoIP services
cxo: udp is not a good idea for data transfer, especially in the p2p case, where each node could be completely different
Deanjo: Using BT that's really not a big concern since every chunk is verified
cxo: ?
cxo: that has nothing to do with what i was talking about
cxo: Better is to use something like ssh and push the traffic in it
bkero: I don't know if ISPs would have the balls to throttle SSH traffic
bkero: ALthough I hear there's some ways of analyzing SSH traffic to see if it's a file transfer.
cxo: thats impossible, its sha'd
Deanjo: Not impossible, just extremely unlikely
cxo: yes, like reversing md5 is "unlikely"
Deanjo: There was a paper about a year back demonstrating how cracking SHA could be reduced by a factor of 25 IIRC
bkero: I'm trying to find the article. It wasn't looking at the encrypted data, just packet analysis.
bkero: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/30/1155205
bkero: Italian researchers have found a way to categorize the type of traffic that is hidden inside an encrypted SSH session to around 90% accuracy. They are achieving this by analyzing packet sizes and inter-packet intervals instead of looking at the content itself.
Deanjo: Ya they are using the "if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and flies like a duck...." approach
cxo: People can just pad the packets
cxo: and flood the channel
cxo: so it would always look like a file transfer
bkero: Sure, they could, but what would be the point?
cxo: exactly
Deanjo: Nothing stopping them from simply saying, "we allow for xxx amount of encrypted traffic a day"
cxo: fuk ip, bittorrent should just come up with the torrent protocol
Deanjo: after the amount is reached then throttle
cxo: http+ssl is also another equivalent
bkero: Heh, a gittorrent article just came up on slashdot
cxo: haha sounds interesting
cxo: Can you believe there are 47 people in here?
Deanjo: It feels more like 48
cxo: about 30 dont even say anything
bkero: Lurkers
Deanjo: Idle credits :P
cxo: soviet spies
Deanjo: US spies
cxo: i think you should be automatically kicked if you dont say anything within a particular time period
bkero: Hey guys, I was planning on putting some cross-platform benchmarks together to compare some lightweight linux against various MS distros. What would be good crossplatform benchmarks?
cxo: java
cxo: python
Deanjo: The opensource games such as nexiuz etc
cxo: Java has a 3d library even
Deanjo: pr0n playback is always a good benchmark too
cxo: yes
bkero: I was thinking of something to stress the schedulers and various OS-specific standard libraries
cxo: mplayer is available on windows too
cxo: turn the frame limiter off and see how fast you can go through 1080i
Deanjo: There is also mysql
cxo: or 1080p or whatever
cxo: scheduler, thats more tricky
bkero: For a scheduler you'd have to do multiplr processes
Deanjo: I would be more looking at the cpu usage during playback cxo
cxo: you could use c99 and just call fork() 100 times
bkero: lol
bkero: That would require a buildchain on windows, and I don't feel like getting my hands THAT dirty
cxo: there is a free version of visual studio
cxo: its like 120mb
bkero: I've had the unfortunateness of needing that for a class before :/
bkero: NASM
bkero: *MASM
cxo: Windows uses thread pools, its difficult to compare to Linux
Deanjo: then of course there is media encoding too that can be benched
bkero: Yea. Is there a version of mencoder for windows?
Deanjo: ya
bkero: I suppose that would test how well the OS is handling the hardware
Deanjo: your limited to 32-bit builds though on things like mplayer
cxo: or how badly mencoder works on windows
bkero: Haha
bkero: This is a 32-bit box, so that wouldn't be an issue.
Deanjo: I would suggest using handbrake for testing encoding anyhows
Deanjo: It stomps on mencoder for speed
bkero: Depends on what library you're using to encode, doesn't it?
bkero: If they're both using ffmpeg, shouldn't they get the same speed?
Deanjo: like all other mm apps they all do their tweaks
bkero: I just want to get some pretty similar binaries to the benchmarks are fair
Deanjo: you also have things like lame as well
bkero: Yea. I wonder how similar the linux/windows builds are
Deanjo: with lame, pretty damn close
cxo: that isnt good
Deanjo: multimedia apps and crossplatform games are going to be the easiest to get head to head comparisons on
cxo: Quake3?
cxo: haha
cxo: script it and run like 10 instances of it
Deanjo: xchat benchmark :P
Deanjo: How many 'lol' can be displayed in a second
Deanjo: You could also whip some gimp scripts too I suppose and bench those
Deanjo: same with blender
bkero: How would I time those?
bkero: Obviously I could just run 'time gimp --stuff' on linux
Deanjo: Script start and finish times
cxo: you can do the same on windows
bkero: Oh? I didn't realize the shell had a time function built-in.
cxo: time /t
cxo: date /t
cxo: same shit
cxo: or you can write your own GNU Time
cxo: its really basic
bkero: That's accurate up to the minute :P
bkero: I could pull in cygwin, but I was trying to avoid that.
cxo: you tell it the format you want
Deanjo: bkero, http://gammadyne.com/cmdline.htm#timer
bkero: Deanjo: cool
Deanjo: pretty much exactly what you need
bkero: True
cxo: but why go through the trouble?
bkero: cxo: Of having a timer?
bkero: Or of doing these benchmarks at all? I'm curious.
bkero: and like tables and grpahs :P
cxo: then work with michael and do a windows port
Deanjo: getting people to setup php and such on windows would be a huge pain in the ass
bkero: A windows port of the phoronix test suite?
cxo: its a pain on linux tooo
Deanjo: It would have been easier in C
cxo: potentially
bkero: Is there even work on porting the phoronix test suite to windows?
Deanjo: no
cxo: considering gcc is available on windows too, it would be pretty fair
bkero: I wonder if all of the libraries are
cxo: glibc is available for windows
cxo: but the linux syscall interface would be superior so it wouldnt be fair
cxo: VS2008 will murder gcc though
cxo: so its a toss up
Deanjo: How so
bkero: In compile times, or efficiency of executables produced?
cxo: Binaries produced, macro processing, inlines, etc..
Deanjo: Not necessarily
cxo: This is my field Deanjo
Deanjo: VS on AMD's suck compared to GCC
bkero: There's a way to find out :)
cxo: gcc is kinda like a runt.
bkero: I've been meaning to try moving gentoo over to icc for a while too
bkero: gcc 4.3 got better apparently
bkero: Fuck, I have some inter-gcc benchmarks using acovea on mydellmini forums, but their db server took a shit
maligor: mhm, connecting 20 harwin pins without a crimper was fun
Deanjo: That's what teeth are for maligor :P
bkero: shudders
maligor: I mean without the crimp tool
maligor: I just used pliers
cxo: goes to eat the chicken
Deanjo: wonders what's quieter, a passive 8500GT or a passive 4650 :P
bkero: I have heard electrical whining from my motherboard. That should be 'passive'.
bkero: I think it's an unclean USB ground
Deanjo: USB soundcard?
bkero: No, but whenever I send data over USB(like moving my mouse), I hear some electrical whine from the board
Deanjo: Check to make sure your MB screws are tight. What can happen is you get a small voltage differential because of a poor grounding of the dac resulting in a ground loop whine
bkero: Grounds should be fine, I have the board held down in 8 spots
bkero: DAC is on a daughterboard to prevent EMI
Deanjo: That still doesn't prevent voltage differential between the slot bracket ground and the PCI-e slot ground
cxo: i can hear cpus
Deanjo: I see dead people
bkero: I see LOSERS
cxo: we are all so talented
bkero: hacks FUSE for great justice
Deanjo: is pleased with the results of applying the MythTV vdpau patches to mplayer
cxo: has been living next to Alice for 24 years
Kano: hi michaellarabel , could you add the git url to your phorogit website? good sites like kernel.org show the git clone url on it too
Deanjo: Kano, MythTV fixed the vdpau issue with mpeg2 stuff
Kano: ah
Deanjo: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19227/
Kano: well did not compile it
Kano: do you use mythv
Deanjo: Ya I had it compiled the other night
Deanjo: should be new vdpau mplayer patches out either by the end of the week or early next
Kano: dont know how to setup my dvb channels, well i tested it only very shortly, then i switched directly to vdr - tested with analog via pvr 150
Kano: i would like xine lib patches for use with kaffeine
Deanjo: I just compiled it without the vdr stuff. I just wanted to try out their playback
cxo: libxine forever!
Deanjo: checks the XBMC site for any new vdpau stuff
cxo: scratches his beard
cxo: i dont shave for a week and i look like bin laden
Deanjo: http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=11078 Hmmm, I could see flash linux development being axed
Deanjo: http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/ars-awards-2008.ars/7
cxo: People are still using photoshop6 ok
Deanjo: Hey if a product still does what you need it never really becomes obsolete
Deanjo: For what I do, PSP 7 does the job
cxo: you're so gay. why arent you using linux again?
Deanjo: I'm not a fan of gimp
Deanjo: or photoshop
Deanjo: Again, I use what works for me, I don't work for the app
bkero: Because disney didn't sink thousands of dollars into wine in order to get photoshop cs2 to work
Deanjo: For my uses PS is overkill
maligor: playstation portable 7?
bkero: just uses imagemagick, and what that won't do, I use gimp.
Deanjo: lol photoshop maligor
bkero: Paintshop Pro 7
bkero: actually bought a retail copy of psp5
maligor: oh my, wouldn't have guessed
maligor: I tend to use gimp
cxo: i use inkscape!
Deanjo: psp is easy, simple to use and gets the stuff that I have to do with minimal pain
bkero: I have the same experience with gimp.
bkero: Of course, there's always gimpshop
Deanjo: What ever works for a person. Not everybody needs the same capabilities or features.
Deanjo: My biggest thing is that I simply don't like the separate window for tools and such
cxo: yeah, usually a problem for most
cxo: with ADD!
bkero: I really like the separate window
bkero: Because it means I can lay it out in my tiling window manager, and I know where everything is.
bkero: Nothing moves, or gets hidden by overlap without me noticing.
bkero: and being rootless is really nice :P
Deanjo: cxo have I personally offended you somehow that you constantly insult me
cxo: relax dude, i'm just teasing
Deanjo: doesn't see where people think Newegg pricing is so great
bkero: Newegg is usually a bit more expensive than everywhere else, but the service is excellent, the shipping is prompt, and they have a pretty good selection.
bkero: Oh, and they don't charge sales tax in New York
Deanjo: I can get most of this stuff cheaper locally. Granted, we do have a really good mom & pop shop here
bkero: Who are probably giving you near-distributor prices
bkero: I used to work for a colocation company and we sourced parts through a distributor named MA Labs. Their prices were slightly better than newegg, but not by much.
Deanjo: Oh ya, they definitely go by volume sales
Deanjo: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131290 <--- same board is $70 cheaper here
bkero: Try ncix
bkero: Newegg also keeps older expensive items, and doesn't drop the price. You can probably still buy really high-end Pentium 4's for hundreds of dollars.
Deanjo: NCIX is even more http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=29806&vpn=M3N-HT%20DELUXE%2FMEMPIPE&manufacture=ASUS
cxo: my tech budget is shot for the next...say 10yrs?
cxo: too much money in car projects right now
bkero: American newegg has that board for $167 open box. Probably $180 new
Deanjo: I'm an upgrade junkie. I get depressed when I max my boards out
bkero: I just bought a beagle, and some myvu crystals.
cxo: the way tech has slowed down, i think i should be just fine
cxo: a beagle dawwwwwwg!
cxo: likes beagles
bkero: Gonna put a bluetooth keyboard and wifi on it, and have myself a wearable irssi session.
bkero: http://www.beagleboard.org
bkero: Does that make me geeky?
Deanjo: $179.99 on US newegg. They really gouge ya on the exchange rate
cxo: oh thats lame
bkero: Canadians pay extra.
Deanjo: Tiger direct by far is worse for gouging
bkero: Tiger direct is by far worse for mail-in rebates and bad customer service.
Deanjo: When the dollars were 1:1 they were still charging as if the Canadian dollar was 60 cents US
bkero: Money in their pocket.
bkero: Companies suck.
Deanjo: Ya, that's why when I buy, I get the mom and pop to order it in if they do not stock what I'm looking for
bkero: In the states we can just order from newegg and not get ripped.
Deanjo: I call them up, "Get me this..." they say "OK Dean, we will call ya when it's in"
bkero: Probably before you say 'how much is ?'
Deanjo: I don't even worry about the price with them. I've never been gouged by them. Hell they didn't even ask for deposits on $1500 routers
Deanjo: No I don't even ask how much bkero. I can usually get a good idea just by looking at what the US prices are like
Deanjo: More times then not it's actually cheaper then expected
bkero: Nice
Deanjo: Ya can't complain about them at all
bkero: Do you have beer with them on the weekends, and they pass distributor pricing to you or something?
Deanjo: There is a good reason when ever there is another computer store trying to open up here that they close their doors usually within a year
bkero: Where in SK do you live?
Deanjo: Saskatoon
bkero: I've got some family up in Calgary, and Marathon.
Deanjo: The wife is from Cow town
bkero: I've been looking at a couple jobs in Toronto.
Deanjo: Nice city but insanely expensive to live in Calgary
bkero: It's more expensive to live in New York :/
bkero: I'm used to paying $350/month rent in Oregon.
Deanjo: TO isn't cheap either
Deanjo: I'm renting a 2 level 3 bedroom apt for my niece. That costs me $530 a month
bkero: That's pretty cheap
Deanjo: Ya, well then rent was grandfathered in
Deanjo: Started renting it 6 years ago for my nieces while they went to uni. The apt has changed ownership a few times and they can't raise it's rent
Deanjo: Same apt now goes for $800
bkero: I'm paying $600 to share a 1 bedroom apt
Deanjo: I'm sure they would love it if I cancelled the lease :D
Deanjo: Ya that's about the same here now for 1 bedrooms
Deanjo: For anything decent that is
bkero: This is the seediest shithole in all of Harlem.
Deanjo: The oilboom here over the last couple of years has cause property to skyrocket in value
Deanjo: My house which I bought for $300 k 5 years ago would easily be over $500 k now
Deanjo: We have a shitload of out of province people building houses here because of the boom. 5 years from now a person could probably pick up those new houses for a song
bkero: A person like you?
Deanjo: Na I'm not big into real estate investments
Deanjo: The house here, my farm and the apt is enough for me to handle right now as it is
Deanjo: In a few years there will probably be another farm and house put in my lap to look after as well.
Deanjo: Renting stuff out nowdays is such a PITA with the way people treat stuff
bkero: Hard to find good tenants?
Deanjo: Ya
Deanjo: Unless you personally know the person you really don't want to rent out to them here.
bkero: Sketchy
bkero: Meth?
Deanjo: Na they just don't give a shit about the property
Deanjo: My buddy just had to replace all the hardwood floors in the place he was renting out
Deanjo: because of the previous tenents
bkero: Monkeys
bkero: Aren't there laws to shit on people for doing that?
Deanjo: The parents that were renting it built a outdoor skating rink in the backyard for their kids. Killed the grass and the kids would walk around the house with their skates on
bkero: Some people don't deserve nice things.
Deanjo: All you can do keep their damage deposit which is 1 months rent
bkero: Can't you have a property damage clause in the rental agreement?
Deanjo: And if they leave stuff behind you have to keep it for 2 years before it's considered abandoned
bkero: and can't charge them storage fees for those 2 years I'm guessing
Deanjo: Nope
Deanjo: Some of the rental laws here are really stupid
bkero: Can't revise them, or argue with your local gov't?
Deanjo: You could, but trying to get them to change the laws is like trying to do a 90 degree turn on blackice
Deanjo: There are stupid laws too as a renter as well
Deanjo: We have no minimum vacancy laws to prevent everything turning into condos
Deanjo: So what is happening is that there is < 1% vacancy here on rentals and these property management places are converting them all to condos
bkero: Do condos sell there is there's a good housing market?
Deanjo: Oh ya the housing market is booming here
bkero: Right, you said about the oil. But I mean if you're already got land, and houses, will condos sell? I thought they acted as an inferior good in that regard.
Deanjo: I wanted to get my garage re shingled this summer. They could get to it by next year
Deanjo: Condo's sell because of the shortage of rentals. Alot of parents are buying them for their kids when they go to uni
Deanjo: To move a kid in to a apt in the fall and then move out in the spring makes it tough to find accommodations for them the next year
Deanjo: Those lucky enough to find an apt though nowdays tend to keep renting it thoughout the summer even though it's not being used
bkero: Hum
bkero: Wish my parents would buy me a fucking condo
Deanjo: Well if you have a clan of 3 kids, it's probably one of the best ways to do it I suppose
Deanjo: At least after they are done you can sell it
bkero: Sure, it's still a large upfront cost.
bkero: and assuming your little shit doesn't trash the place
Deanjo: ya
bkero: goes to nycresistor.
cxo: Here's a happy tune, you love to crew, catchy as can be, they call it Dean's song
cxo: s/crew/croon
cxo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCstkRRhiH4
Deanjo: Dean Martin rules :P
Deanjo: OK if they have Chrome on gOS WTF is the hold up on getting it on other linux distro's
redeeman: i heard they run it in winblows
bkero: Nobody wants to deal with wine'ing chrome
bkero: Or rather, google doesn't want to endorse it because that would imply that they're putting reduced effort into giving a native client to linux users.
redeeman: which ofcourse they are hiding extremely much now, well, with the very existing linux client downloable on the same side as their winblows offering
bkero: Doesn't the linux client not actually have any frontend at all yet?
michaellarabel: Who was it requesting an overview results chart on Phoronix articles? bkero?
Deanjo: He was one michaellarabel
michaellarabel: Just committed to git master is a fairly nice overview chart for the PTS Results Viewer.
michaellarabel: Due to XSL limitations though, there's a few features for it I can't easily manage.
Deanjo: Can specify multiple criteria yet?
michaellarabel: multiple criteria for?
Deanjo: Comparison with other systems. Such as Phenom w ATI or Phenom with NV etc
michaellarabel: From Phoronix Global, no. But from the phoronix-test-suite client, always possible.
Deanjo: Ya I was thinking more on Global
Deanjo: Basically the same idea as ORB on Futuremarks site
michaellarabel: OpenBenchmarking.org will have hordes of really cool features, but still deciding if to integrate with Phoronix Global.
Deanjo: hmmm see AMD has a not bad EPP offering right now
Deanjo: * AMD Phenom™ X3 8650 Triple-Core Processor
Deanjo: * ATI Radeon™ HD 4850 graphic card
Deanjo: * See For Yourself T-shirt
Deanjo: $149
Deanjo: lol http://blogs.computerworld.com/the_worlds_worst_way_to_market_linux
redeeman: Deanjo: where do you see that offering?
bkero: lol triple core processor
Deanjo: On their EPP plan
bkero: lol china
bkero: Deanjo: How can I get that deal?
Deanjo: You have to be employee of AMD or a AMD reseller
Deanjo: or work for a AMD reseller
Deanjo: http://www.retailaccess.com/
redeeman: bah, screw them then
Deanjo: intel, ms, dell, hp, etc all have similar programs
redeeman: well.. i don't need high enough volume that i qualify, i assume
Deanjo: Volume isn't a issue
Deanjo: Christ you can sell 1 AMD product and qualify
redeeman: i see
redeeman: so what is an issue?
Deanjo: You just have to be part of a amd authorized reseller
redeeman: and how does one get authorized?
Deanjo: Contact your AMD rep
redeeman: but i don't have one
bkero: Can smoeone here be an authorized reseller for me and give me the deal? :P
bkero: I'll buy a pack of stickers
redeeman: wait, back up, im more interrested in intel
bkero: Intel employee pricing is really good
bkero: I worked there back in september, $100 Q6600
redeeman: but i don't work for intel
Deanjo: Same type of deal with intel
Deanjo: and the others
redeeman: but then you need to sign up with them all?
redeeman: how easy do you think it is to do with intel?
redeeman: like.. months of filling out forms, or making a discrete phone call one day, and then boom?
Deanjo: I just told my intel rep to "sign me up"
redeeman: but i don't have an intel rep
Deanjo: There are reps all around
Deanjo: Just email the company telling them you would like a rep to visit you
Deanjo: They usually bring a shitload of goodies when they do :D
redeeman: very interresting
bkero: orly
bkero: Goodies you say?
redeeman: Deanjo: i must look up this, when you say "email the company", in this case, that would be AMD/Intel ?
Deanjo: Yes that's who you would email. Usually their PR dept
cxo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzABhlCUk5I&feature=rec-rn