Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-12-03
maligor: mm, do brook+ stuff work on nvidia?
maligor: I guess it only wants to compile to cal or cpu, none of the others seem to work
Deanjo: lol, michaellarabel, are you missing Jade's posts or something by benchmarking filesystems?
michaellarabel: What does he have to say? I usually just ignore his posts.
Deanjo: Nothing..... yet
Deanjo: You know the storm front is coming though
GNU\colossus: ah, is he that looney with all these amusing conspiracy-theories?
Deanjo: It gave me a good chuckle this morning thinking of his upcoming " michaellarabel is sabotaging linux " rant
Milyardo: I've bookmared every one of his post
Milyardo: they're hilarious
Deanjo: Heh michael is going to have Jades crosshairs following him now
michaellarabel: Or "Phoronix Test Suite has hacks that throw off filesystem results" :)
Deanjo: BTW, it was good to see you add in what those results mean in real world use.
Deanjo: I don't think Ext4 though will have enough time though to become the new "standard" with btrfs around the corner
Deanjo: You just left the file systems at default settings I assume
Deanjo: "All file-systems were left with their defaults," <--- guess I should actually read the preface
Deanjo: Are you doing a performance review on the new 180.11's michaellarabel or are you just going to hold off on that until the finals?
michaellarabel: Year in Review articles will be out this month and I'll bench all drivers from this year
Deanjo: I was doing some benching of vdpua yesterday, cranked the bit rate high enough for my phenom to start dropping frames like mad then played them in vdpau, it didn't drop one frame
Milyardo: Thats awesome
Deanjo: Ya cpu usage was the typical flat and almost non existant
Deanjo: Windows had a higher CPU usage
Deanjo: ~ 10% there
Deanjo: I'm going to steal my neighbors 8500GT to test it out tonight
redeeman: would be more useful with a test of the lowest end ones, that can be passively cooled
redeeman: though i just don't see the use
redeeman: slap an E8400 in the mediacenter and you're set
Deanjo: thus why I'm grabbing the 8500GT tonight
redeeman: i thought the passive ones were 8400?
Deanjo: 8500's are available passive as well
Deanjo: in fact most of the 8500's I've seen are passive
redeeman: i hate the new elcheapo nvidia/ati passive
redeeman: they are really so crappy
redeeman: unless you load the driver, they get so hot they almost melt
Deanjo: I guess I could try out the 8200 on my mb too I guess
bkero: Passive still usually needs external flow on it
bkero: Like a case fan at the front to at least provide a LITTLE flow.
Deanjo: Ya but a 120mm fan is a heck of alot quieter then those noisy little bastards
Deanjo: wonders why people still install mplayer codec packs
bkero: Meh, I choose to go with dual 381mm fans.
bkero: Attached to a car radiator, with 1/2ID tubes coming out of it.
Deanjo: I find a 60" ceiling fan is a bit harder to mount in the mATX cases
bkero: 381mm is only 15 inches, rather small by comparison. Two of them are slightly larger then my P182.
Deanjo: Those big fans are just plain stupid IMHO
Deanjo: Unless they are easily replaced they are of no value
bkero: They are when your processor has a 437 watt peltier on it
bkero: and they're easily replaced, just 3 bolts each.
Deanjo: To find replacement fans is what I'm eluding to
bkero: I got these and the radiator for $15
bkero: I can probably get more fans for $10 total
Deanjo: I'm talking about the cases that come with the custom sized fans
bkero: Um. I drilled holes in my P182 and bolted the radiator to the side.
Deanjo: That's fine for you, but 99% of the people don't want to do such endeavors to their stock case
bkero: I never said they did.
Deanjo: My gripe is about the cases that put those oddball sized case fans in
bkero: Some cases put a single 240mm fan on the front or side. Those are pretty easy to source.
Deanjo: Unless I can run down to a mom and pop store and pick one up, they are not easy to source
bkero: I just don't like people putting cheesy loud 40mm fans on things.
bkero: I hear the internet fixes that.
bkero: Many case manufacturers offer replacement fans on the site. Barring that, there's specialty cooling sites, mcmaster, ebay, and almost any industrial surplus site.
Deanjo: Shouldn't have to resort to the net for basic cooling
bkero: Usually odd fans are used for auxillery cooling.
bkero: I don't think I've ever seen one applied where it was touted as the sole air mover for an otherwise passive system.
Deanjo: Basic in the sense of being able to replace stock fans
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: so you are coming to fosdem '09, too?
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: Yes, of course.
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: no idea if i will find the time to come over to the x11 room due to the wesnoth stuff we will be doing in parallel (yes, we will again hijack one of the hacker rooms for our use...)
PetoKraus: hi michaellarabel
Deanjo: If a fan starts squeaking I don't want to have to wait days or weeks for a replacement fan
PetoKraus: very nice article on the FS benchmarks
michaellarabel: Hi PetoKraus
PetoKraus: very very nice one
Ivanovic: i hope that video recording works a little better this year than last year
Ivanovic: that is: that this time the vids are complete
michaellarabel: The problem last time was my camera seemed to like stop recording after 35 minutes.
bkero: Deanjo: so unplug it and monitor temperatures to see it doesn't overheat?
michaellarabel: I'll bring an HD camera and such if I have the room in my luggage.
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: yeah, heard about it
Deanjo: Or just use a case that doesn't use oddball crap
Ivanovic: this sounds promising
michaellarabel: Will you be at the Friday beer event Ivanovic?
Ivanovic: no, i won't
Ivanovic: we will meet from wesnoth and use all the time for as much talking and planning as possible
bkero: Or don't be a bitch about 'oddball crap'. ;)
Deanjo: Beer event at a FOSDEM? *shock* :P
michaellarabel: Is there a Wesnoth like event on Friday?
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: we will probably just gather in the town center and go out for some food
Ivanovic: that is "we" as in "fellow wesnoth devs joining in for some dev talk"
Deanjo: Lies! They are going to the strippers
Ivanovic: Deanjo: psst
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: as you see, our hijacking of the (smaller) hacking room last year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWvJ_9A5JDs
Ivanovic: it is sad that the quality of the recording is not too good so that you can't properly read the "Wesnoth Hacking Room" at the board...
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: though this year i hope the already have the pandora with me at fosdem
Ivanovic: so if you are interested, i can probably show it to you
Ivanovic: and at least one of the pandora devs (the ones behind this handheld) plans to come over to fosdem, too
Ivanovic: with other words: i should have a way to get my hands on a pandora even if mass production is not done so far
Deanjo: Ivanovic, I won't say anything else as long as you keep sending me the pics taken :P
Ivanovic: Deanjo: we will not take pics of the ladies...
bkero: Apparently MSI put out a nettop computer with a VESA mount formfactor.
bkero: http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/11/29/msi-windbox-is-a-vesa-mounts-best-friend/ is pretty damn cool
dante_2core: sry wrong chan XD
Deanjo: double checks to see if libavcodec handle huffyuv
cxo: No overall charts again
cxo: pokes michaellarabel hard!
Deanjo: How rude
michaellarabel: I haven't written a module for the Phoronix Test Suite to do that yet
cxo: Its just one chart. Couldnt you have made it with openoffice calc using the scores from the other charts?
michaellarabel: I like automation
Deanjo: Laziness FTW!!! :P
michaellarabel: No no, that really has nothing to do with it.
cxo: People dont know how to earn their wage anymore.
cxo: Tomshardware does the same these days.
cxo: They used to write good articles. Worth reading
Deanjo: If it wasn't for laziness, we would have to work harder
Deanjo: and that's never a good thing
Deanjo: I still like my buddies way of reading email. Mac OS Mail ---> voiceover ---> garageband--->itunes--->ipod applescript
Deanjo: He's to damn lazy to even read
cxo: It might be common sense to me, but you never know whats common these says: Automated articles are not going to bring swarms of readers to your website.
Deanjo: Heh, that guy breaths, sleeps and eat applescript/automator.
michaellarabel: I am writing an XSL table right now for showing the results, if it works correctly.
Deanjo: his philosphy is if you need to do more then one click to do regular tasks then it needs a script
bkero: Tell him he should get his mail in digests then.
cxo: The little blurb at the bottom of each chart is classic. You are not explaining anything by writing it out in words. If the chart says 34.31mb/s we know its 34.31 mb/s, dont have to write it words again
bkero: One click to access the digest. :P THen you just need to scroll to read it all
Deanjo: That would involve him reading again. He's to lazy to do even that
Deanjo: He just has them dumped to his ipod and has them read back in the car
bkero: I'm the exact opposite. I get pissed if I have to stare at icons too long, and begin to wonder if the computer thinks I'm functionally retarded.
cxo: The article on that damn computer case had more literary content than the one on filesystems. Thats how bullshit i think the filesystem article is.
cxo: opensolaris 2008 has been around for a while. Every retard in #linux goes mental about ZFS, but there are no ZFS scores in the filesystem article
redeeman: DEVSD ffvhuff Huffyuv FFmpeg variant
redeeman: DEVSD huffyuv Huffyuv / HuffYUV
cxo: sounds illegal to me
redeeman: yes im sure lots of things seems strange when one doesn't know how to compare two integers :)
cxo: So you hear Apple is telling everyone to install antiviruses to prevent windows computers from getting infected.
cxo: I thought that was really funny
cxo: Stop spreading window viruses to windows pcs
cxo: "Ahh i got a virus, came from my neighbors iMac, i'm sure!"
redeeman: they have retracted that
cxo: does facebook maintenance
aperson: they retracted that statment
cxo: You cannot retract things, what is this? the Matrix?
aperson: eek, me needs to read more before saying something
bkero: Retracting doesn't work very well on the internet.
cxo: Every word i type is being echoed into discs all around the world
Deanjo: Ya I, was checking redeeman, it's been a while since I used Huffy
bkero: People log IRC :P
Deanjo: FYI, most of those articles get written by the tier 2 agents
cxo: is agent 007
Deanjo: Sometimes engineering doesn't do a good job of checking them over before posting them
cxo: Anyone got an old sata disk they want to donate?
cxo: needs one to switch over to ubuntu, and then copy stuff off the old disk
Deanjo: donates a 5 1/4 drive and 600 floppies
cxo: to who? a minix dev?
Deanjo: To you
aperson: I know an old minix dev
aperson: he was the guy that wrote wc
Deanjo: I actually popped an old 5 1/4 drive in my system the other day
cxo: useful tool
Deanjo: backing up all those old floppies to DVD
cxo: didnt they take the floppy controller out of vanilla kconfig?
cxo: i read that somewhere dude
cxo: But who runs vanilla anyways, when you can have chocolate
Deanjo: It would be a bad move if they did. Alot of older servers just have a floppy
Deanjo: or a zip drive
Deanjo: scratch the zip, just remembered those used ide
Deanjo: misses the concept of a Jazz drive
cxo: you would, you mac lover
Deanjo: What does Jazz have to do with Macs?
bkero: has an unreleased Jazz product from iomega
bkero: I have a battery for a jazz drive, to make it portable
bkero: It stacks beneath a jaxx drive, and has a plastic rotating power connector. You pull it out, rotate it to the jazz drive, and plug it in.
Deanjo: discovers that libavcodec does have a bug in it that prevents huffyuv playback
cxo: I think the only people who bough jazz drives were Mac users, or gay
cxo: ...wait, thats the same thing
Deanjo: Jazz drives kicked ass in the tech room
bkero: has a mac, and does not have the uncontrollable urge to sex men.
cxo: And so did Macs Deanjo , so did Macs
cxo: laughs uncontrollably
Deanjo: They were only in the tech room to keep track of PC replairs :P
Deanjo: Couldn't trust them buggy pentiums with the fdiv bug for anything with numbers involved :D
maligor: compiles Deanjo with -ffast-math
cxo: Yeah Mac users didnt need to worry, Apple spends a lot of money each year making sure their products are not fast enough to catch bugs.
Deanjo: You realize that the fasted xeons were on a mac right?
maligor: But no 1024 cpu POWER5s
maligor: cxo, I don't quite get why that's parody?
cxo: Mac users wouldnt know what speed is, so why bother
cxo: i knows, its fact
maligor: the shell design on the air looks like crap tho
michaellarabel: Deanjo, for some VDPAU testing, I am thinking of buying like a $20 processor and like a $30 NVIDIA graphics card to see what effect it has.
maligor: michaellarabel, heh, yeah, I'd love to see that, especially if it can play 1080p
Ivanovic: sounds promising
cxo: tomshardware did that
Deanjo: I was reading in the MythTV forums that guys are seeing ~5-10% usage when a 8400 is slapped on a atom
maligor: as long as it isn't a $20 from bin of old processors: Pentium 4
maligor: Deanjo, err.. atoms don't have pcie?
michaellarabel: maligor: Looks like I can get a Sempron for $22
bkero: 8400 is the only PCI 8-series+ geforce there is
bkero: I was considering picking one up, they're $50 on newegg
cxo: nano pwns all your geforces
maligor: fusion pwns all you cxo's
maligor: ye gods, neither of them are available!
michaellarabel: bkero: I see 8400GS for $29 at newegg
cxo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFDvGCFXvlU maligor
cxo: Nano pwns!
bkero: michaellarabel: PCI?
michaellarabel: bkero: PCi-E
bkero: michaellarabel: Atoms don't have PCI-E ports. A D945GCLF2 does, but that's only a 1x.
cxo: Nano Nano Nano Nano Nano
Deanjo: ya the 8400's are available in PCI
cxo: They don't call it the "Atom Smasher" for nothing
maligor: bkero, with some hacking you could connect a 16x on a 1x
Deanjo: As well there are atom based boards with PCI-e as well
maligor: the devices should be able to work with just one lane connected
bkero: cxo: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/11/via-dual-core-nano-11-26-08.jpg
bkero: Yea, it'll smash an atom. When something uses it.
bkero: ...In june.
cxo: thats the dual core foool
cxo: Nano Nano Nano Nano Nano
Deanjo: heh in that one your better off with the athlon cxo
bkero: No, look beneath the dual core
maligor: anyone know where fusion is on the roadmap?
cxo: we were discussing atom vs nano
michaellarabel: Bought a Sempron LE-1150 and 8400GS for VDPAU tests
bkero: The Yes, I know
Deanjo: Besides the nano has one critical flaw........ via chipsets :P
maligor: Deanjo, and another.. via cpu
Deanjo: Na the CPU is ok, for what it is meant for
maligor: didn't nvidia have some chipset for nano?
maligor: was it just discrete graphics with nano?
Deanjo: They have a possibility of bringing a nv gpu to it
maligor: maybe if enough people asked via to partner with SiS, we could get a .... even worse chipset
Deanjo: But AFAIK that's been put on hold
Deanjo: maligor, http://www.techpowerup.com/69319/Galaxy_Prepares_Atom-embedded_ATX_Board.html
maligor: why would anyone want a atx form atom board?
Deanjo: low power media server
cxo: Why would anyone want an Atom, when they can have a Nano
maligor: that board looks like it has a massive hole to the left of the atom sink
cxo: wait, thats like asking why would someone use Windows, when they can use Linux...
Deanjo: Because it doesn't have a shitty cia chipset cxo
cxo: Via pwns your 8800gt
Deanjo: lol, my Trident video card pwns your Chrome
maligor: cxo, only if you put a ton of branches in the code
maligor: my hd 3870 seems to give me 7.5x faster processing than the e6600 I have
maligor: but it's a problem that does go very nicely parallel
Deanjo: wonders if michaellarabel is going to post Voodoo benchmarks with the new windows drivers :P
maligor: but damn is it fast
cxo: my 4870 pwns your 3870
bkero: I bet a VIA chipset will use less than the 22w for a 945GC though :P
maligor: part of it could be from brook+ cpu libraries tho
Deanjo: Ya you gotta figure intels got a new chipset coming out for the atom soon
maligor: I should check the code it generates sometime
maligor: Deanjo, mm, they should ditch pci completely
maligor: would save space
Deanjo: Sure it would but it would probably cut into their budget cpu space
Deanjo: I think they are trying to avoid that
maligor: you mean they want to make atom crappy?
bkero: Intels new chipset? The US15W? It's been out for a while, it's just that nothing uses it. :/
maligor: they could just add something like 10 lanes to it
bkero: And it's not compatible with the N-series Atoms, need to use the Z-series.
maligor: one 16x phys, 8x electric slot
maligor: and two 1x slots
maligor: it'd be quite nice setup
Deanjo: bah need 2-4x instead of 1 x
maligor: for your adaptec raid cards? :P
maligor: or are they 16x
Deanjo: As far as I concerned they can take those 1x and shove them up their ass
bkero: Are Nano's even available yet as EPIA boards?
maligor: bkero, haven't seen any
Deanjo: Ya raid cards is what I'm thinking of
bkero: The link I showed you guys that cxo thought was irrelevant showed the VIA E series Samples coming out Mar 2009 and mass production in June 2009.
maligor: Deanjo, 250MB/s isn't enough?
cxo: Nano Nano Nano Nano Nano
Deanjo: Not for the bigger HW raid cards maligor
Deanjo: Hell 250MB/s can be done with fakeraid
maligor: the ones with the dedicated general purpose cpu on them? :P
maligor: considering those cards cost... what... 3 times more than a atom board?
Deanjo: maligor, did you bother reading that maximumpc benchmark on HW raid cards?
maligor: no, not really
cxo: Who bothers reading anything, with all these autogenerated articles
maligor: raid has never been particulary of interest to me
maligor: aside from mirror
Deanjo: Then you shouldn't knock that "general purpose cpu"
maligor: Deanjo, mhm?
Deanjo: because it kicked ass over the "special purpose" cjips
bkero: I'm RAID0ing my laptop. :)
bkero: RAID "special purpose" chips are typically PowerPC 603E's, or ARM7's.
maligor: Deanjo, both can be made fast or slow :P
maligor: general purpose stuff just have the firmware update advantage
cxo: raid0s Deanjo bitch with his neighbor's wife
maligor: bkero, those are what I meant with general purpose cpu
Deanjo: Ya and end result is IT'S STILL faster then the others
cxo: performance baby! performance
Deanjo: will gladly trade his wife for a case of beer
maligor: real men have SATA ports attached directly to HT Bus
maligor: with solder and wires
Deanjo: Gotta take the kids too though cxo
cxo: doesnt want to go to hell
Deanjo: Come on, it will save me the trouble of putting them on craigs list
maligor: but what you really need is PCIe 3.0 16x slots for your raid
maligor: apparently it has 1GB/s transfer rate per lane
Deanjo: Gotta have fast loading pr0n
bkero: PCI-E 2.0 should have double the bandwidth, so 500MB/lane
bkero: Real men don't use something pathetic like a SATA interface, they just run everything off of RAM. ;)
GNU\colossus: pah, RAM
GNU\colossus: real men store everything in registers
Deanjo: Real men have OC-192 backbones, boot pxe and let the ftp servers worry about storage
GNU\colossus: ftp? fail!
GNU\colossus: failed transfer protocol
bkero: FTP servers are too slow for storage. :P
cxo: TFTP ftw!
maligor: cxo, you know what tftp is, right?
bkero: Boot PXE, initrd to copy nfsroot to a tmpfs, pivot_root onto the tmpfs.
bkero: That's how real men(and I) do it.
cxo: maligor, ftp - tcp - auth = tftp
maligor: umm.. not quite
maligor: it doesn't really have anything to do with ftp, except that it transfers files :P
Deanjo: Real men can just touch a hd and get all their data by feeling the magnetic fields
bkero: It's pretty trivial
bkero: Hard drives add an extra heat source to my case. That's unacceptable, so I've put them elsewhere.
cxo: so why are you blabbering then?
maligor: Deanjo, real men have a direct link to god's omniscience
bkero: cxo: Because I can, and because I know it irritates you. ;)
maligor: that'd be a real bummer tho
GNU\colossus: real men are atheists
maligor: who'd want to know absolutely everything
Deanjo: maligor, God is my secretary
Deanjo: He brings me coffee
bkero: I sold god to the slave traders when they came by last time.
Deanjo: Good deal, that guy was a mooch
bkero: Lazy bastard just sat on my couch all day, and didn't even pay rent.
maligor: claimed he crated everything?
bkero: Yea. He always started babbling about that crap after doing some huge bong rips.
bkero: I figured he just did it to mellow his high.
Deanjo: Lazy bastard never bothered putting the TP back on the roll too
maligor: I guess this channel has a lack of active religious zealots, heh
bkero: More like an appropriate level of gnostic atheists.
cxo: bkero, i wasnt referring to you chubby cheeks
maligor: bkero, erhm.. belief in a imperfect no-god?
Deanjo: starts his re-encode to uncompressed since libavcodec seems to have a issue with Huffy
bkero: maligor: gnostic means we have the knowledge of there being no god.
bkero: Gnostic means knowledge, or special knowledge :P
maligor: intellectual or spiritual knowledge when used as an adjective it appears
maligor: having spiritual knowledge that god doesn't exist sounds very valid, yes?
Deanjo: actually gnostic does acknowleges a imperfect god
Deanjo: not no god
maligor: Deanjo, gnosticism, yes
cxo: All Hail Cruise_-X-_Overide!
maligor: bkero, rather expensive
bkero: Where else are you going to get yourself oil painted as chinese propaganda?
bkero: Or better yet, present it as a gift to the girlfriend.
maligor: oh, they're real oil paintings, heh
cxo: Might be worth it
Deanjo: debates picking up 5 1 tb drives or 10 500Gig drives
cxo: but feels a little expensive to try out online
cxo: 1tb is chepa!
Deanjo: Same price
cxo: nono no no no
Deanjo: $65 for the 500 giggers or 129 for the 1 TB
bkero: 5 1tb drives is easier to manage :/
bkero: I'd say the extra price is worth the less drives. SATA ports get expensive.
Deanjo: I've already got the contoller for it
bkero: has 2 8-bay esata externals, 2 5-bay icydocks, and 6 internal drives in his fileserver.
bkero: would like to see a performance comparison of raid50 and raid6
cxo: Can i have your old disks?
cxo: I have been poverty struck
cxo: Thieves came to my house and stole my Windows License
cxo: So now i have to use Linux
Deanjo: OMG no Win ME?
Deanjo: You poor bastard
Deanjo: giggles at the 84 gig avi he's creating thinking back to how he used to think a 10 MB hd was an insane amount of storage capacity
cxo: These are dark days indeed
Deanjo: thinks they should go back to making 8" plattered HD's
Deanjo: or were they 10" can't remember
Deanjo: I want the lights to dim when I power up my system dammit :P
redeeman: then just buy a piece of nvidia hardware
bkero: Yea, because laserdiscs were a good idea :P
Deanjo: Hey laser discs were the shit back then
maligor: mhm, Redcode raw has a datarate of 36MB/s for your video needs
Deanjo: Heh you take a look at the Red camera maligor ?
maligor: just red one
Deanjo: That thing is insane
maligor: there's some film buffers over at #blenderchat, so yeah, seen it :P
maligor: err.. buffs
maligor: not buffers :P
Deanjo: I think there is still a waiting list for them
Deanjo: They only make 2 a day IIRC
maligor: The main film buff has moved over to ordering EOS 5D Mark II tho
maligor: funny how it's the cheapest fullframe camera available
maligor: video that is
aperson: that's where I remember you from maligor
Deanjo: And to think, 5 years from now you will be able to get the same specs for $300 :D
maligor: yes, I'm very memorable ;)
maligor: Deanjo, 5D Mark II?
aperson: used to hang out there
maligor: I rather think not
Deanjo: Heh they said that with the first HD cameras too
maligor: well, the consumer hd cameras are, frankly, crap
maligor: I've even seen a $70 camera that claims HD resolutions
bkero: I don't really get what an HD camera would be. Something that can shoot in 1920x1080?
bkero: Things have shot in 1920x1080 for a very long time.
maligor: bkero, yes
maligor: bkero, at 30 fps?
bkero: Most not, but that's just because of the write rate to the shitty storage medium on consumer cameras.
bkero: and the JPEG encoding on the camera
maligor: how do you define a very long time?
bkero: Couple years at least
bkero: I'm thinking back ~04-05
maligor: ah, I thought you meant more like 20 years
bkero: 20 years ago, didn't people use SVHS?
bkero: 420 lines of resolution instead of 240. In 1989, whooooo
maligor: as for media, recent CF cards shouldn't have issues with 36mb/s
maligor: well.. that's not entirely true, they've been available for ages
maligor: just were rather expensive before
bkero: I ran an SSD off of CF for a while. 266x + can do 36mb/sec write
bkero: http://staff.osuosl.org/~bkero/HDTune_Benchmark_CF_8GB.png is a 266x CF card
maligor: that's read
bkero: But that's read rate.
bkero: I doubt write rate is going to be faster than read rate though. :P
cxo: that's read rate
Deanjo: will wait until 70 megapixel camera's are cheap before getting into the video camera game
maligor: curious how the datarate drops near the end of the card
cxo: depends if you are asian or not
bkero: No idea
maligor: Deanjo, so you can see microscopic detail on a homevideo?
bkero: It was using an addonics cf->sata converter
Deanjo: I want a home IMAX :P
maligor: like the bacteria crawling on your skin?
maligor: 70mpix would require massive optics
Deanjo: That's equivelent to Imax res
cxo: my 4870 pwns any Imax res
maligor: or I suppose you could just drain the air out, that'd make 70mpix possible on optics you can carry
maligor: it's just that the air gets in the way of perfect light
Deanjo: lol your 4870 pwns everything cxo
cxo: you said it brother
maligor: Deanjo, you wouldn't know when I can get my grubby hands on any sort of opencl implementation?
Deanjo: I think "evil gopher" would look awesome on Imax
Deanjo: Should be Jan
bkero: Assuming nobody's pointy haired lawyers find something in it that violates their IP
redeeman: lol ip
Deanjo: Considering the major players were all involved I don't think that is going to be a issue
maligor: It probably violates Nintendo's patent on the Wiibar
Deanjo: lol I'm sure Rambus is scouring it too
bkero: Have you guys seen some Nintendo engineers ECMA operating system?
maligor: bkero, a operating system written in ECMAScript?
bkero: More or less
Deanjo: I haven't bkero, my console interest pretty much extends to my old Turbo Duo
maligor: no, I think I'll avert my eyes from that, I might go blind
bkero: There's some pretty crazy framebuffer screenshots
maligor: just because there's a language, doesn't mean anyone should write a os with it
Deanjo: There is a lot of code out there that is more or less just proof-of-concept and never really goes anywhere
bkero: It was a GSoC project
Deanjo: X for example :P
maligor: X is going places, man
bkero: Yea, like into the ground.
bkero: Wayland :P
bkero: wonders how far along wayland is
Deanjo: maligor, X has been beating that drum for decades now
maligor: that drum?
Deanjo: "X is going places"
maligor: X was pretty dead while XFree86 managed and stagnated
maligor: now it's just picking up speed
maligor: I suppose it does have a lot of dead weight when considering a modern system th
maligor: like Xlib
Deanjo: There is a lot of stuff that should be dropped in linux already
maligor: like what?
Deanjo: ISA cards lol
Milyardo: lol NEVER!
bkero: You can't LOSE hardware support
redeeman: like it or not, that shit is being used
bkero: If you lose hardware support, you're no better than that...other vendor.
maligor: it would be nice if sysv died away.... aswell as bsd style
Deanjo: They could just as easily fork it into a legacy branch
maligor: the init setup that is
redeeman: theres nothing wrong with sysvinit
bkero: I've not been using sysv for quite a while. I've moved onto cinit, and it's been quite nice to me.
Deanjo: it might get more development that way for the people still using such hardware
bkero: sysvinit is hugely. fucking. slow.
redeeman: you talking about /sbin/init ?
bkero: Looks like it belongs to sys-apps/sysvinit-2.86-r8
redeeman: i got news for you, it's not sysvinit that's slow, but the scripts people run
bkero: From what I've read about it, it doesn't like dealing with parallelizing startup scripts, and dealing with asymetric startup/shutdown order.
bkero: I'm still using the same scripts with cinit.
redeeman: that isn't really sysvinits domain
redeeman: yes, responsibility etc
redeeman: bkero: if you are using gentoo, what is slow etc and unflexible, is gentoo's baselayout init system
redeeman: /sbin/rc etc
redeeman: sysvinit itself is pretty simple etc
bkero: I'm still using the same baselayout init system
bkero: Given, I've hacked it a part a bit
maligor: redeeman, you mean /etc/init.d/rc?
redeeman: maligor: i meant what i wrote, look at /etc/inittab
maligor: redeeman, I don't actually use or want to use gentoo
maligor: would think everyone knew that already ;)
redeeman: anyway, my point is, it's not sysvinit that's slow, but the scripts etc which people use with sysvinit
maligor: it's not possible to make async chains in sysv tho
redeeman: which you don't do in sysvinit
maligor: because the system would require to know dependencies on the startup sequence
redeeman: if you look at what distributions does, they run their own stuff through sysvinit, which tracks dependencies etc
maligor: but that's the fastest way to start a system
maligor: redeeman, and you complain about slowness, mhm
bkero: From what I've seen, sysvinit is more or less serial. You can start some things in parallel, but it doesn't really support multiple chains.
redeeman: i did not complain about slowness
maligor: err.. pointed at slow scripts that is
redeeman: but the reality is, what's slowing down boot, is not sysvinit, but rather the stuff it runs
maligor: shocking dude
maligor: the problem is just that somethings have idle waits
cxo: idle waits make for the devil's workshop
bkero: wonders what all this is about. http://www.linux.com/articles/54137
Milyardo: lol Linux.com
bkero: If an init system isn't the bottleneck, and they're all using the same scripts, shouldn't they all yield the same time?
cxo: Do you have leeeeenux?
redeeman: bkero: see, that's exactly what im talking about, that thing replaces more than sysvinit, but also distribution specific scripts which are used to start the init scripts for services
bkero: They're completely disregarding the scripts in /etc/init.d?
cxo: sysvinit is for n00bs, real men init=/bin/bash
redeeman: no, bkero
redeeman: they are disregarding the code that decides which scripts in /etc/init.d to start
redeeman: bkero: sysvinit does not launch the scripts in /etc/init.d
redeeman: sysvinit launches a distribution thing, which launches /etc/init.d/* stuff
redeeman: and it's the distribution thing, which is slow
redeeman: not sysvinit itself
redeeman: sysvinit itself is extremely simple
bkero: I see.
maligor: redeeman, the design of the entire system is copied from sysv
redeeman: bkero: you can see in /etc/inittab, what it is exactly that sysvinit launches
maligor: that's why I don't refer to sysvinit
cxo: fedora uses upstart now
maligor: the setup scripts partially or completely replace sysv
bkero: I've been using cinit pretty successfully, even though it's an abandoned project. Has really nice bootcharts, if the site ever gets back up, I'll render it. :/ Not installing java shit.
cxo: what an interesting thought, what if you had a java init?
cxo: that would be interesting
cxo: i dont know? do you like chocolate?
cxo: me too
Milyardo: I don't like Chocolate
Milyardo: No java init for me please
Milyardo: I just don't liek the way it taste
bkero: considers baselayout-2.0.0
bkero: Chocolate gives me diabeetus
redeeman: bkero: you can get diabetes chocolate
Milyardo: I bet it taste like fail chocolate
cxo: feed a cow coco and suck it
cxo: All this talk of chocolate! makes me wanna eat it
cxo: Ok you guys can be useful for once. Why does fglrx give me a blank screen when starting X?
redeeman: maligor: most isn't too good no
cxo: xorg log http://en.pastebin.ca/1273825
bkero: goes to the microkitchen and gets chocolate covered raisins
cxo: wants chocolate covered raisins!
bkero: Come visit me, you can have all the chocolate covered raisins you want.
redeeman: hates raisins
cxo: where do you live?
bkero: New York City.
cxo: hmmm could make it there in about 6hrs
cxo: takes out the V12
cxo: ehh but this thing only does 10mpg, not gonna even make the border. need another plan
cxo: We could meet halfway at like Scranton or something
cxo: goes to see if the car will start
Milyardo: ai shiteru yo!
bkero: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~krh/wayland/ :)
Kano: hi michaellarabel , a "realworld" bench for a filesystem would be compiling something like the linux kernel
bkero: I am batman.
Kano: with that you can really notice differences
Kano: like that reiserfs is faster than ext3
bkero: Or moving a kernel tree, or seeing how long it takes to delete or copy a kernel tree. :P
Kano: playing games is not really a file benchmark as usually the most files are preloaded
cxo: yeah, was a bullshit article
cxo: wasnt even an article, was autogenerated crap
Kano: well bonnie is interesting,but you dont have got that kind of fileaccess usually
bkero: http://oss.oracle.com/projects/btrfs/dist/documentation/benchmark.html are some nice benchmarks
Milyardo: Kano: The games were a control
redeeman: and maybe try to test different settings for filesystems
redeeman: which can change _ALOT_
Milyardo: Games should not be affected by filesystem performance
Milyardo: but if there is a difference
Milyardo: then something is wrong with the benchmarking process
Milyardo: I thought it was great michaellarabel included the games
Milyardo: for the sake of scientific completedness
Milyardo: Hrmmm Sid is still 2.6.26?
Milyardo: thats surprising
bkero: You use debian for bleeding edge?
cxo: there was 5fps difference in one game
Kano: Milyardo: well i can give you 2.6.28 too for debian
bkero: is just upgrading his laptops to 2.6.28-rc7
Kano: well i had issues with nfs, not sure where the problem is
bkero: Apparently they broke the bcm5974 from rc6 though, which sucks. I might have to do a git bisect on it and regress those.
Kano: i use it on my systems without nfs server
Milyardo: Debian sid is just not as bleeding edge as I heard it was
Milyardo: I'm kinda disappointed :(
bkero: I run git head for a lot of the packages I want bleeding edge. :)
bkero: I believe that would be referred to as raw. :P
Kano: Milyardo: you need experimental
Kano: because currently in sid there is a freeze
Kano: for newer kernels you can use the kernelbuild server too, but they prefer the hdX config, i do not like legacy ide
Milyardo: I'm going to switch to experimental and see what happens then
Kano: thats an addon
Kano: to sid, not a single repo
Kano: there is newer ffmpeg, xine 1.2, ooo3
Milyardo: rdo(+i)] [5:#phoronix(+cn)] [Act: 1,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14]
Milyardo: iso-codes libruby1.8 ruby1.8 thats all I got from updating :(
Milyardo: *adding experimental
Kano: you might need a preferences
Kano: with some overrides
Kano: or sue
Kano: apt-get dist-upgrade -t x
Milyardo: Nope nothing, and I'm getting a 404 on libruby o.o
Kano: then the server is updating now
Milyardo: Well I gottta catch a bus home brb 20min
redeeman: michaellarabel: how do you get nexuiz to go into 2560x1600?
michaellarabel: redeeman: just set it through PTS and it works (using the custommode with specifying the respective arguments.
redeeman: not for benchmarks, for playing
michaellarabel: right, I am just saying that's how I do it.
redeeman: ok thanks
redeeman: also, question, what settings did you use here: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=msi_9800gt&num=4
redeeman: was that HDR one with all other stuff to full aswell?
michaellarabel: Yes, I believe so, there is a standard config file used by PTS. I think they are all high
redeeman: when i set all enabled and highest etc, i cant even get smooth on 9800gtx+ in 1920x1200
Kano: redeeman: then dont use max
redeeman: obviously, but i was wondering if there was some magic handshake to get the nvidia thing to run it faster
Kano: disable 4x multisampling should help
redeeman: the lighting options are really heavy
Kano: i usually tune the settings that they never go below 50-60 fps
Kano: then i enable vsync
redeeman: but it's so shiny with all settings on :P
Kano: with that max res you dont need AA
cxo: cant believe people are still playing that quake3 crap 10yrs after it came out
redeeman: quake3 is okay
cxo: windows 98 came out 10yrs ago, are you using that too?
cxo: open source games suck balls
redeeman: the difference being, that winblows 98 is a piece of garbage, quake 3 isn't
Kano: sooner or later i destroy my via based board...
cxo: Just imagine how quake4 will blow your mind in 5yrs time when ID decides to give it up
Kano: maybe somebody wants to send me a intel 965 or newer board...
redeeman: who said anything about "blow your mind" ?
Kano: and you get pics of a destroyed board as reward ;)
cxo: you burnt your board?
Kano: that board is unstable as hell
Kano: replaced already ram + gfx card for testing
cxo: could be ram you know or psu
Kano: i dont think it is psu
cxo: if any of the lines on the PSU are unstable, the board would be too
cxo: Did you try install the board's monitor software and see whats going on?
Kano: i dont think that would help
cxo: You seem to be doing a lot of thinking
Kano: i never had a better stability when running a system monitor
Kano: the system is not even oc
cxo: no silly
cxo: The system monitor does not make your system more stable, it only monitors it, you watch it for faults
cxo: There are so many sensors on a modern board. I'd see what they are saying if i were you.
Kano: i would not call via p4m890 modern
cxo: Thats a pretty modern board
Kano: msi oem board, not even standard bios on it
Kano: fully restricted
cxo: Again, you think too much
cxo: Stop thinking, and start doing