Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-11-14
Deanjo: I want flashing text and flashing multicolored graphs
Deanjo: And women with bikini backgrounds
GNU\colossus: what do you mean by seperate color for each run, though?
GNU\colossus: Deanjo: i'm bugging Sho (maintainer of KDE's Konversation IRC client) to bundle nekkid girly pix for MONTHS already
GNU\colossus: he does not comply :<
Deanjo: Like in the graphs Ubuntu 7.04 would be blue, 8.04 green, 8.10 pick with purple polka dots
GNU\colossus: erm, what would that yield? the individual runs are already distinguished by each one having a graph of its own, aren't they?
Deanjo: Yes, but it gets easily confused when you get "dnf" comparisons where a version did not complete the test
Lightkey: duke nukem forever?
Deanjo: Your chart goes down to the showing only the distro's that did complete and you have to watch what the labels are
Deanjo: Did not finish
Lightkey: well, same difference then
Deanjo: Could not run
Lightkey: both fits :-)
Deanjo: "Something fucked up and it puked"
GNU\colossus: well, I've never run PTS myself
GNU\colossus: all I do is consume the pics I find on phoronix
GNU\colossus: (that's what the majority of ppl does, I think)
Deanjo: I'm like that with porn
Deanjo: Just watch, never participate :P
Deanjo: "This system will blue screen in one minute" Damn I love that error message
Kano: hi michaellarabel , can you tell me why phorgit zip files contain already removed files?
michaellarabel: Kano: Not sure, the phorogit web part started acting up a few days ago
Kano: tar.gz looks ok, but zip is wrong
Kano: dont you do a temp checkout that you just package?
Kano: i guess you forgot to remove the old checkout then for zip
michaellarabel: It's all done automatically though, which is why it's odd that it's acting up, but I haven't had time to look into it yet.
Kano: at least that would explain it, a reused temp folder
Marox: Added initial support for PureVideo-like features on Linux via the new VDPAU API (see the vdpau.h header file installed withthe driver).
michaellarabel: Yep :) That article will be out shortly.
Marox: sounds interesting :)
maligor: I guess amd got the wheel running with their BA
maligor: they should just provide headers too :P
Marox: indeed :)
maligor: it's incredibly complex by the looks of it
maligor: and seems to be enabled on 3xxx series now
michaellarabel: maligor: They do
Deanjo: Muhahaha, PureVideo on linux, I wonder who called that?
maligor: yeah, makes you wonder
maligor: especially since it says 'initial support'
maligor: or it could be that some big customer asked amd and nvidia to give them options
maligor: what with boxee, xbmc and elisa..
Deanjo: Hi Dean,
Deanjo: We're working on this today and will provide an update today or tomorrow.
Deanjo: That's the answer I got when I asked if they were going to be released soon 2 days ago
maligor: can't seem to get xvmc to work on 3xxx
Deanjo: More stuff is coming too ;D
mattmatteh: didnt think xvmc worked on anything.. (yet)
maligor: oh, ok
maligor: is what I get tho
Deanjo: Ahh your talking about Avivo
maligor: yeah, and now we have 3 separate interfaces
maligor: vaapi (intel), VDPAU (nvidia) and XvBA (amd) :P
Deanjo: Betcha XBMC will have VDPAU going in no time
Deanjo: mplayer boys are probably on it right now too
Deanjo: michaellarabel, you can't run the gaming free in Git on a 64 bit system because it says
Deanjo: ./phoronix-test-suite run gaming-free
Deanjo: ppracer isn't installed on this system.
Deanjo: To install this test, run: phoronix-test-suite install ppracer
michaellarabel: git master?
michaellarabel: must have regressed
Milyardo: I'll see if I can confirm
Milyardo: Sadness :(
Milyardo: error: Couldn't get http://www.phorogit.com/repo/phoronix-test-suite.git/refs/heads/pts-malvik for heads/pts-malvik
Deanjo: meh, I do it the cheaters way and remove the test from the profile
Deanjo: Heh Dirsch is gonna be so annoyed with me telling him to update the rpms again in less then a week
Milyardo: I find it funny Dirsch gets annoyed with you telling him to do his job
Deanjo: Ya he does
Deanjo: Him and I don't get along to well lol
Deanjo: Dammit, forgot I have to modify these game suites to run native res to enable sli
michaellarabel: Deanjo: They should all run at native res
Deanjo: Nope the universe suites are switching to 1024
Deanjo: gaming free for example
Deanjo: nope your right my mistake
Deanjo: the Tremulous test throws me for a loop when it switchs my screen refresh
Deanjo: brb, driver install time
Deanjo: BTW michaellarabel warsow test is again throwing out 0 fps results again
michaellarabel: Deanjo: Must be something to do with your system configuration
michaellarabel: I've had it run fine in days past
Deanjo: 1.2 it worked fine
Deanjo: Do me a favor, try running it on a crt if you have one
michaellarabel: no CRTs anymore
Deanjo: Does it run at a speed faster then normal game play when you run the test?
Deanjo: like all the other tests
maligor: why would crt's improve performance?
maligor: unless you use vsync and 100Hz or something
Deanjo: I'm thinking something funky is going on because of it.
Deanjo: Seeing this message "Game running at 62 Frames Per Second"
Deanjo: No 1.log is written...... hmmmm
Kano: michaellarabel: i think you soon need new pts profiles for mplayer vdpau *g*
michaellarabel: Kano: Yep :)
Kano: the buildscript fetches always a new snapshot, maybe using always the same would be better
Deanjo: You got mplayer vdpau going already kano?
Kano: not yet, but will test it soon
Deanjo: hurry up :P
Kano: i just checked the build method
Kano: usually i package it, thats not hard with the debian dir already
Kano: just need to change the audio cable to my nv pc ;)
Deanjo: Damn the audio, full speed ahead
michaellarabel: The 2008 Linux Graphics Survey starts tomorrow for anyone interested in early voting - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=lgs_2008
Deanjo: lol "How do you acquire your video driver(s) on your Linux system(s)?" Where is the option from Nvidia mole?
Deanjo: michaellarabel, you could add in multi GPU rendering into "What are your key interests or concerns with Linux video drivers?"
Kano: michaellarabel: well the script already pulls -r 27408 for mplayer + 14529 for ffmpeg, should be good enough for benchmarking
michaellarabel: Deanjo: F5
Kano: maybe a -j 2 should be patched in ;)
Kano: or 4
Deanjo: Thanks michaellarabel
Deanjo: You gonna post the script Kano?
Kano: Deanjo: that script is already in the mplayer vapau tar
Kano: there are some test links, for wget i needed to remove the coral cache .nyud.net
michaellarabel: I'm going to run some CPU benchmarks on VDPAU shortly
Kano: Deanjo: h264 with less than 10% load
Kano: with E6600 @ 3000
Deanjo: What video card ?
Kano: Host/Kernel/OS "Kanotix" running Linux 2.6.27-9-generic i686 [ KANOTIX 2007 Thorhammer ]
Kano: CPU Info (1) Intel Core2 6600 @ clocked at [ 2000.000 MHz ]
Kano: (2) Intel Core2 6600 @ clocked at [ 2000.000 MHz ]
Kano: Videocard nVidia GeForce 8800 GTS 512 X.Org 7.1.1 [ 1680x1050 @60hz ]
Kano: Processes 150 | Uptime 17min | Memory 255.6/2023.0MB | HDD Size 760GB (11%used) | GLX Renderer GeForce 8800 GTS 512/PCI/SSE2 | GLX Version 2.1.2 NVIDIA 180.06 | Client Konversation 1.0.1 | Infobash v2.67.1
Kano: well it did not even use 3 ghz ;)
Deanjo: fires up the g15 to display cpu usage
Kano: i used that Gray.ts example, but i think something else should be used
Deanjo: Oh I've got plenty of stuff I can use to test
michaellarabel: I am thinking of big buck bunny h.264 high quality version
Kano: good idea
Deanjo: That was one I was thinking of
Deanjo: I think you should host the file too michaellarabel :P
michaellarabel: so launch the video then run MONITOR=all ./phoronix-test-suite benchmark idle :D
Deanjo: Man it's been like christmas the last month with linux, what next? UT3?
michaellarabel: Too bad NVIDIA still has no GPU usage load indicator that's exposed through the NV extension
Deanjo: I can request Roland to see what he can do about that michaellarabel
Kano: well for testing using a 692 mb movie... is a bit much, maybe the first 50 or 100 mb of it?
Deanjo: Gotta have the bird poopin Kano :P
michaellarabel: Kano: Why?
Kano: i dont think you get differnt values when tht movie is longer
michaellarabel: I know, but it's easy to benchmark that way if you tell people to just download the movie.
Deanjo: The bitrate could vary greatly as well
Kano: it takes 22 min to download here
Kano: slow server
Deanjo: I figured these would be debuting soon with acceleration debuting on OS X
Kano: michaellarabel: mplayer has got itself a % meter for cpu use
michaellarabel: Kano: But PTS will plot it nicely on a line graph and all of that
michaellarabel: I am running into an "internal compiler error with mpeg2_slice"
Kano: just a tiny problem, the h264 vdpau can not playback the bunny
Kano: Error at libvo/vo_vdpau.c:826 ct: 0.000 0/ 0 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0
Kano: the mov fileformat i guess
Kano: mayber it needs to be remuxed to mp4 container
Kano: or just using a different demuxer, that should be also possible
Deanjo: hmmm, maybe I should now read the readme http://pastebin.ca/1256406
Kano: well you dont need to compile with x264 headers
Kano: michaellarabel: we need a simpler test video. only older profiles are currently supported
Deanjo: Ya I'm seeing that
Deanjo: Is there mirrors for those sample files Kano
Kano: gray.ts is pretty small, maybe use -nosound as sound it out of sync anyway
Deanjo: Ya the urls listed there are slow as molassas for me
Kano: you have to remove the .nyud.net always
Deanjo: Ahh that's more like it
Deanjo: 1200KB/s vs 4
michaellarabel: Kano: How long is the gray.ts video?
Kano: not that long, a few seconds
michaellarabel: I'd like to find something a few minutes long perhaps
michaellarabel: Have you tried http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/V-codecs/h264/HD2-h264.ts
Kano: can try
Kano: does not decode
Deanjo: I'll have to encode BBB to a good profile it looks like
Kano: michaellarabel: maybe you can recode a video with h264 4.1 profile
Deanjo: heh, so glad I have no monthly limits
michaellarabel: Kano: Did you try out HD2-h264.ts?
Kano: yes, no go
michaellarabel: What about http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/V-codecs/h264/HD-h264.ts
Kano: the vc-1/wmv acc is restricted to chips you can hardly buy...
Kano: h264 they want to provide soon higher profiles
Kano: did you hear of a 9300 GS?
Kano: michaellarabel: dont you think 36 s is enough for a test?
Kano: your idle test shows more % than top...
Kano: michaellarabel: i guess you have to rewrite you idle test, the test itself consumes too much cpu time
michaellarabel: Kano: All it does is call the sleep command
Kano: where do the 20% usage come from then...
Kano: at least at the beginning
Kano: Low: 0.00 Percent
Kano: High: 21.50 Percent
Kano: the graph is way too long for that 21 %
Kano: maybe 2s when i run top the same time
Kano: maybe your check interval is too long?
Kano: michaellarabel: did you ever see aspect ratio problems with a 16:10 tft? for nexuiz i know now a workaround for the hud, but not for openarena
Kano: you see it, when you select a circle as crosshair, it is much wider then high
Kano: vid_conwidth 960 (instead of the 800 default) fixes it for nexuiz
Deanjo: Heh, once VDPAU gets a bit more mature I see it's going to be the nvidia crew submitting the Mplayer patches
Deanjo: Wonder if that will make the mplayer crew revise the manual now
szymon_g: does anyone used bonnie++ benchmark?
Deanjo: pretty much anyone who has ran PTS
Deanjo: Woohoo 10% done BBB raw HD pngs
maligor: Deanjo, you're doing what?-)
Milyardo: Is mplayer still getting active developemnt(outside including the new video exstnsions)?
Deanjo: Downloading the raw png's for BBB to re-encode it to a 4.1 profile
Deanjo: mplayer is very active in development
Kano: cant you recode with from the mov file?
Deanjo: That is such a shitty way of doing it kano
szymon_g: Deanjo: could you tell me: are those http://www.wklej.org/id/18064/ results all write? or, in other words- should i be upset about it?
Deanjo: Recoding a encode.... pfft
Kano: Deanjo: well then you have to fix a/v sync problems i guess ;)
maligor: Deanjo, does it really matter even if it is?
maligor: if the point is to test vdpau
Deanjo: Kano, I've done it easily before with ED
Deanjo: sync is never a issue for me
Deanjo: just make sure you set the proper FPS to begin with
Kano: well they do not really speak in that movie, but in others...
Kano: what do you use to encode
Deanjo: Depends, usually avidemux2
Deanjo: Been using TMPEnc 4 lately, Cuda kicks ass
Kano: did not know that they have got cuda encoding already
Deanjo: One thing that avidemux2 does extremely well is fix sync issues because of crappy indexing
Kano: btw. i already used cuda with wine, you need to patch wine a bit that it reports nvidia 8800 as gfx card
Kano: folding at home can run
Kano: but not really stable
mattmatteh: what is cuda ?
Deanjo: GPGPU API
Kano: there is all you need for a 32 bit system
Kano: all debs + links for cuda
Kano: + missing dll
Kano: cuda.tar.gz can be compiled when wine-dev is installed
Deanjo: You said you had a 8800 GTX?
Deanjo: Oh ok
Kano: 8800 GTS 512
Deanjo: Ahh 2nd gen GTS
Kano: pretty similar to 9800 GTX
Milyardo: ;-; All I has is a 8200 IGP
Deanjo: Ya, I gotta bench that 8200 IGP for cuda yet
Deanjo: Might be enough to run Physx
Kano: Milyardo: in theory enough for that h264 decoder, but i really dislike that you have to encode the videos to match the profile...
Kano: Deanjo: did you try that badaboom demo? every video i tried was out of sync
Deanjo: Ya, I have the final version. Works ok. Bit limiting in selections
Kano: you paid for it
Deanjo: Na, I just get sent a lot of stuff
Kano: the demo was really too crappy
Deanjo: Too bad it's limited to one GPU
Kano: i only have one ;)
Deanjo: I've got a couple of 8800GT's they fold like crazy
Deanjo: Just wishing they would get the damn linux client finished already
Kano: - Adapters.driver = "Display";
Kano: - Adapters.description = "Direct3D HAL";
Kano: + Adapters.driver = "nv4_disp.dll";
Kano: + Adapters.description = "NVIDIA GeForce 8800";
Kano: thats the wine patch you need
Deanjo: I try not to "wine"
Kano: as you have got suse, package it or compile from source with that change
Deanjo: heh, compiling wine in suse 64 is a huge PITA
Deanjo: The only thing I use wine for really is Ultraedit
Kano: there are instructions for it, when you have got the 32 bit libs+headers you should be able to do it
Deanjo: lol screw that, that's what the opensuse buildservice is for
Kano: well then just try a patched wine with it
Kano: as you see the patch is trivial, the rest is external
Kano: export CC="gcc -m32"
Kano: i guess you need only
Deanjo: Ya, I may try it later. Still doing alot with bitching at Asus, beta suse, etc
Deanjo: Besides, Seti@home still doesn't have a Cuda client
Deanjo: Ya, I know how to do it Kano. Like I said, that's the old way of building packages. OBS is just to damn cool to not use
Deanjo: Once the new phenoms hit this system is going straight to a local OBS server
uncle_fungus: btw you don't need to patch wine to get the GPU folding client to work with it
Kano: uncle_fungus: it works for you without patch?
uncle_fungus: much simpler way is to just start the client with "-forcegpu nvidia_g80"
uncle_fungus: we built that option into the client deliberately
Deanjo: that works with g92's too?
Kano: will check it
Kano: i have got an unpatched wine here
uncle_fungus: yeah, although the only option for nv cards is "nvidia_g80"
Deanjo: And can you specify the card
Deanjo: and does it require putting a video load on the second card?
Kano: btw. it was very tricky to get the source, the tar.gz i put on my page was put together from single files as the archives are broken on the official cuda wine page
uncle_fungus: you can run the client headless if that's what you mean
Kano: how to do that?
Kano: but thats not what i mean
Kano: i mean that
uncle_fungus: most people just use the prebuilt 2nd generation cudart wine wrapper
uncle_fungus: everything you need is in that thread
Kano: well i prefer to compile it ;)
uncle_fungus: each to his own :)
uncle_fungus: deanjo afaik you can definitely run multiple GPUs if you have multiple X sessions running although iirc it gets messy. I don't think anyone has tried it with a headless setup
Deanjo: Think I'll just wait for the native linux client
Deanjo: Besides, I really want to do Seta@home anyways
Kano: uncle_fungus: it runs with the unpatched wine and the normal nv lib + first gen cuda dll
uncle_fungus: I know ;)
uncle_fungus: the 2nd gen wrapper will reduce your CPU usage for a slight production loss
Kano: but where is the source for it?
uncle_fungus: just a sec
uncle_fungus: I believe the source for the second gen wrapper can be found in this post: http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?p=45909#p45909
Kano: cudart.dll ist the first gen wrapper and the code is without copyright notice there
uncle_fungus: in that case it might be this one: http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?p=42458#p42458
uncle_fungus: its a pita to try and find it as I don't think anyone actually saved it as a set of files, rather just posted them into a forum code box
Kano: thats the problem when most ppl only use binaries
Milyardo: I'm building wine on a 64bit system, but there's something wrong with my build script: http://pastebin.com/m671b8ae
Milyardo: The error I'm getting is that make cannot find the install target :(
Kano: do you have got the wine binary?
Kano: after make
Milyardo: let me see
Milyardo: I'm building it manualy now
Kano: i would use -j2 for dual
Milyardo: I think whats wrong with my script is that I end up in the Wrong dir somehow before make
Milyardo: Kano: For dual what?
Kano: dual core
Kano: or do you use a single core cpu
Milyardo: I have a single core CPU
Milyardo: nope it said this time there's no make file....
Milyardo: h thats becuse configure had an error
Milyardo: I'm nub, nvm me
Milyardo: hrmm I redirected stderr why didn't that show up the first time :P
Milyardo: Ummm is FreeType necessary or can I build without it?
maligor: mm.. what happens if you use -j0
Deanjo: if you use -j -1 it uncompiles binaries :P
maligor: a perfect disassembler
Deanjo: Put's it back into pure source :P
Milyardo: Welcome back Deanjo
Deanjo: Couldn't take being in windows any longer
Milyardo: Why not?
Deanjo: The UI drives me nuts
Deanjo: Na XP 64
Milyardo: oh lol
Deanjo: Vista would drive me absolutely insane
Kano: Deanjo: did you finish bbb?
Deanjo: still going
Milyardo: I wonder how far I can overclock my CPU...
freeRag: whats the fastest linux distro for gaming ?