Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-11-10
mha: michaellarabel: lovely rss post about ATI+DRI2, "I.. http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Phoronix/~3/--9uvQk1nVM/vr.php"
maligor: what was the name of that fancy opengl demo with faked gi lighting?
Deanjo: man time flies, started pts universe-cli before I went to bed and it says it took 38 years to finish the espeak test
michaellarabel: Deanjo: Hmm?
michaellarabel: maligor: Lightsmark?
maligor: yeah, I found it already tho, but thanks
maligor: I'm sure some people might be interested that there's a experimental patch for wine at http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13335 that fixes fglrx performance issues in opengl
Deanjo: Ya, the espeak test gave me a result of 1226317849.41 seconds
maligor: it's against wine git
maligor: (and needs testers)
maligor: x86-64 issues primarily I think
Deanjo: The result is because the wrong version of portaudio.h is trying to be used with suse. It tries to compile it with portaudio18.h and suse has to compile with portaudio19.h
Deanjo: eSpeak Speech Engine:
Deanjo: Text-To-Speech Synthesis
Deanjo: 1226336195.9008 Seconds
Deanjo: 1226336298.6153 Seconds
Deanjo: 1226336402.4995 Seconds
Deanjo: Average: 1226336299.00 Seconds
Milyardo: Deanjo: 38.886 years rounds to be 39 years :)
Milyardo: BIG difference
Deanjo: Ya well all I know is that I still haven't got a bloody pension cheque yet :P
Marox: X3 release at the end of november
Marox: (has gone gold)
mattmatteh: i am looking at a new computer (amd x2 brisbane) and not sure if i should get amd north and south bridge or get one with nvidia 750a
mattmatteh: i read that the nvidia is faster with ahci and usb
mattmatteh: but not sure how well supported it is with linux
mattmatteh: i am thinking i will get an ati hd 4670 pcie and disable any onboard graphics
mattmatteh: anyone have any suggestions ?
Deanjo: The nvidia chipsets are very well supported in linux
maligor: like SoundStorm?
GNU\colossus: i'd go for ATi, and if it was just for NVIDIA being secretive arseholes.
Deanjo: Soundstorm hasn't been around for a long time
GNU\colossus: like we-dont-provide-docs-for-a-network-interface forcedeth
Deanjo: Umm nvidia helped out those forcedeth guys
maligor: Deanjo, it dragging through kicking
redeeman: and because they maybe helped a litter LONG after, they are now the good guys?
maligor: same with the SATA
maligor: they helped a bit but jeez..
redeeman: just like creative
redeeman: a bunch of morons that by all means deserves to be forcibly closed, are they now good because of the crappy code dump?
GNU\colossus: NVIDIA also helps a GREAT deal with the "nv" driver in xorg, right? ;)
maligor: it's like releasing gpl drivers is against their entire world view
redeeman: GNU\colossus: a half assed obfuscated driver that has only very few features?
Deanjo: Sata works flawlessly on every single nforce I have maligor, not the same can be said about the ATI chipsets
GNU\colossus: redeeman: pls note that I was being sarcastic
maligor: Deanjo, yes, but they were largely done blindfolded
maligor: especially for advanced features
maligor: I imagine the new nforce's have AHCI tho?
Deanjo: Yes they have for a while
GNU\colossus: thank $deity they do
redeeman: they probably only do that to have support out of the box in vista
Deanjo: redeeman, Seagate replies to 1.5 TB drive issues http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15863
redeeman: their response is a joke
redeeman: i suspect they are also lying
redeeman: it seems quite unlikely it's only a small amount of them that exhibits this problem
Deanjo: Ya I giggled at "a small number of Barracuda 7200.11 (1.5TB SATA) "
redeeman: and the response their people have posted on the forums is a direct insult
Deanjo: and then list every possible version of firmware that is on those drives
redeeman: hell, they had the nerve to suggest people only use 1tb data on it
redeeman: and that they don't support linux or raid on it
redeeman: the response of someone that's so stupid the person by no means should be allowed to leave his/her home
redeeman: there should be some sort of regulation punishing companies severely for this sort of behavior
Deanjo: Well, as far as the "don't support linux or raid" on it, I imagine that is just another canned response from a Tier 1 dude getting paid minimum wage in some outsourced support site
redeeman: be that as it may, he should be atleast intelligent to know when he is not qualified to answer
mattmatteh: is back
redeeman: even a tier 1 moron dude worker for $1/day should not say they don't support raid, when it's listed as the suggested applications on their site
mattmatteh: i am not an nvidia fan since the prefer closed source drivers
mattmatteh: but, not sure how the do with the chipset
mattmatteh: i havent found much for 750a
mattmatteh: so not sure how well the hard drive or network or usb work
Deanjo: They work fine
Deanjo: even the raid controller is well supported
mattmatteh: all the 700 series work ?
mattmatteh: would use linux raid if i were to use raid
redeeman: yes, the only sane choice
Deanjo: no issue seen with the USB or network either
mattmatteh: does nvidia provide documentation and drivers for their chips or were they reversed engineered ?
mattmatteh: not talking about the graphics as i would use ati and disable any integrated, might use it but only if i can not get the radeon to work
mattmatteh: which would you choose ? amd 790xx + sb700/sb750 or nvidia 750a ?
Deanjo: I wouldn't touch another ATI chipset even if it was given to me
mattmatteh: that bad huh
Deanjo: yup, nothing but headaches
mattmatteh: that would be amd ? ati would be graphics
mattmatteh: not to be picky, just want to make sure i understand correctly
Deanjo: Well AMD's chipsets are the ones that ATI designed
mattmatteh: northbridge and south bridge ?
mattmatteh: with out graphics
maligor: I think it could be said that they're AMD designed now
mattmatteh: like 770 790x
Deanjo: Core logic is still being done by the ATI division maligor
maligor: Deanjo, heh, usb is standard on the nvidia
maligor: Deanjo, assuming they have a sane corporate structure, I expect there's more talk now between
maligor: but the protocols are pretty well defined anyway
Deanjo: Ya they are slowly melting together
maligor: especially once they start making Fusion
maligor: I think the current issue with AMD chipsets now is AHCI mode?
Deanjo: USB still gives issues too
mattmatteh: wonders why amd doesnt use a single chip for north and south bridge like nvidia
Deanjo: Because at one time they used a 3rd party southbridge
Deanjo: SiS IIRC
mattmatteh: i was thinking drop sb600/sb750
mattmatteh: its useless anyway
Deanjo: SB does all your meaningful IO
mattmatteh: Deanjo, well, i suppose.
mattmatteh: usb, pci, sata
mattmatteh: thats it
mattmatteh: audio too
Deanjo: The NB is what does very little nowdays
mattmatteh: either way, combine them like nvidia did
maligor: isn't pcie attached to nb
mattmatteh: i thought it was
maligor: and in the amd chipsets, it works as interconnect
maligor: to sb
Deanjo: Yes, but it no longer does memory controller functions anymore. It's used for PCI-e and onboard video nowdays.
mattmatteh: thinks one chip could do it all ( pcie, pci, network, audio)
mattmatteh: video isnt needed
Deanjo: You can, in theory at least you eliminate a potential bottleneck with a 2 chip solution though (in theory, realworld practice shows that the bottleneck has yet to be hit)
mattmatteh: i thought a single chip would eliminate a bottle neck ?
mattmatteh: suppose that depends on the chip
Deanjo: Ya it could be done, now if the need for it is there is debatable
mattmatteh: wow, 750a boards are expensive
mattmatteh: might have to use a crippled amd board
Deanjo: Ya they are typically more then the AMD based boards
mattmatteh: like twice as much
Deanjo: hopes the new nvidia chipsets are finally going to provide more then 6 sata
mattmatteh: i am still not sure what motherboard brand to choose
Milyardo: More than six SATA ports Deanjo
Milyardo: I've yet to use one :P
Milyardo: meanwhile I have to share one IDE port with 4 IDE devices
Milyardo: Muscialdrives anyone?
Deinumite: i have 2 satas, one for HDD and another for my DVD RW
Deinumite: i don't even have a floppy drive :p
cxo: i have 8 sata on board, and i use 5
Milyardo: Deanjo: Perhaps you should buy one of those new Sunfires, is 48 ports enough for you?
cxo: thinks of shit box when he sees Sunfire
Deinumite: so, i want to try Ubuntu 8.10 out but
Deanjo: Yes 6 sata ports are not near enough
Deinumite: is the bloat really as noticable as people are saying? im assuming its just people with older hardware
Deanjo: 12 would be more to my liking
Deanjo: 1 TB+ worth of data on one drive is just asking for trouble. I'd rather run smaller drives in a Raid 5 setup
Milyardo: There was a time I said the same thing about 1GB
Milyardo: in 2 or 3 years you'll change you mind :)
Deanjo: Ya well maybe by then there will be a cost effective way of backing it up then
Deanjo: Right now BlueRay isn't cheap for the media
Deinumite: yeah...i have my stuff on my laptop and mirrored on my desktop
Deinumite: i want to get a cheap PC to act as a backup server / torrent box but im a little strapped for cash atm
Deanjo: A low powered consumer NAS unit would be nice with dual GB ethernet but they all presently suck for transfer speeds and/or capacity
Milyardo: a Consumer NAS need not much capacity as commidity hardrives can be used to upgraded as needed
Deanjo: With the crapload of HTPC's out there 1 or 2 drives becomes very limited
Milyardo: but yeah Tranfers speeds suck usualy because consumer NAS usualy have low I/O Ops per sec
Milyardo: Assuming consumer NAS will be doing more reading than writing, SSDs can make a huge difference
Milyardo: since you can have a huge number of random reads from a SSD
Deanjo: You sacrifice way too much capacity though
Milyardo: perfect for streaming video to more than one client
Milyardo: With time I'm sure SSDs will catch up in capacity though
Deanjo: random reads does very little for streaming video
Milyardo: It does alot when reading more than one video at once
Deanjo: I can stream easily 4 HD streams off of conventional drives
Milyardo: You can, but the commidity NAS isn't likey to have a properly setup striped array or even a JBOD
Deanjo: That's on a single drive
Milyardo: I haven't been so lucky then :(
Milyardo: I'm thinking about unsubscribing from ubuntu-users, theres no pint in trying to keep up
Milyardo: but somehow the same three people manage to respond to every single message, its like they don't sleep
Deanjo: Hmm, I think michaellarabel could reduce the file he tries to compress with LZMA. 38 minutes on even a fast system is way too long for each run