Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-11-07
mitsarionas: anyone got any unknown applet errors on kde 4 plasmoids recently?
Deanjo: michaellarabel, you around?
michaellarabel: Yes, on and off though.
Deanjo: Why is PTS trying to read my /boot/grub/menu.lst
michaellarabel: To see if selinux is enabled
Deanjo: Which it won't be able too unless the test is being ran root
Deanjo: No selinux
Deanjo: No apparmour
michaellarabel: That's what the check is for. I'll change it so it won't provide a warning though
Deanjo: K, because like I say you need to be root to read those
michaellarabel: Not on Ubuntu
Deanjo: Most other distro's require you to be root
michaellarabel: Right, so the is_readable() check is now in place
Deanjo: http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr2_pc2_6400_titanium_4gb_edition_dual_channel <---- picked up a whole crap load of these
Deanjo: $50 canadian with a $20 mail in rebate too boot
Deanjo: $30 for premium ram is just too damn cheap to pass up
Deanjo: Especially 4GB kits
maligor: shame you only have 4 sockets
maligor: or are they slots
Deanjo: Ya only 4 slots, oh well 8GB for $60 of SLi Ram is still a sweet deal
maligor: you know you don't need to buy dual channel editions to get interleaved?-)
Deanjo: Bought 32 GB worth
Deanjo: Ya, I know, these have the EPP profiles though, nice timings
maligor: buying separate might get you different batches (and even different manufacturers with some brands) ofcourse
Deanjo: All the same carton :P
Deanjo: Newegg wants close to $100 more for the same dual channel kit
Deanjo: I'll somehow suffer with 8 GB of ram
maligor: 32GB would be nicer
maligor: nothing is ever enough
Deanjo: Ya, that will becoming with my new server setup
redeeman: i recently switched my 4x1gb to 4x2gb
redeeman: 4gb ram just wasnt enough
redeeman: i went for mushkin 1066
Deanjo: Like maligor said, we always need more power :P
redeeman: well.. it came to my attention that trying to use ~5-6gb ram when only having 4, just isn't nice
redeeman: and so i upgraded :)
Deanjo: It's nice being able to have lots of ram when running VM's
redeeman: since i got my quadcore i have started using VMs alot more
Deanjo: Joe Blow would never really use it though
redeeman: so yeah, 8gb is nice so i can easily spawn a few 2gb instances
maligor: Deanjo, you just wait
redeeman: ofcourse he would
maligor: Windows 7 + Office 2010
redeeman: nobody can ever get enough IO cache
Deanjo: Ya I hear solitaire on Win 7 is a bit of a hog too maligor :P
maligor: probably the new task panel uses 2,5GB of ram
Deanjo: lol that's the login window
Deanjo: Actually Win 7 is supposed to be better with memory then Vista
redeeman: as if we believe that
Deanjo: I said "supposed" :D
maligor: I'm sure they'll eventually end up adding features with fancy marketing words to make up the lost memory
Deanjo: Damn I remember paying close to $500 for 128k
maligor: and probably come in a dual-layer BD
Deanjo: Heh back in those days they used to send you an extra ram chip..... just in case.....
Deanjo: I still have a old LIMM board laying around with 2 MB on it. That thing in it's day loaded like that would cost you a easy 3 Grand
Deanjo: I admit, I hate throwing out old tech. It's fun to watch people's eyes when you tell them the original price and they take a look at those huge honking devices
Deanjo: thinks it would be fun calling into a MB manufacturer and bitch about lack of 5 1/4 floppy support nowdays
Deanjo: lol "Larrabee might not have a Windows XP driver" does that really surprise anyone?
Deanjo: Considering it's still a good 1+ year away
redeeman: as long as it has a driver for any usable OS, i don't care
Deanjo: I have a feeling it's going to be another "We tried and failed"
redeeman: depends on how comitted they are
Deanjo: i740 part deux
Deanjo: I'm more interested in that bridge chip that allows to mix and match video cards allowing a ganged rendering approach
Deanjo: ( and the inevitable massive changes to xorg to accomodate it)
Deanjo: Your PCI-e implementations will be a big deciding factor on that though. The intel chipset that allows both Crossfire and SLi already sees potential bottlenecks because of it.
Deanjo: So did you decide what harddrives you are now going to go with redeeman ?
redeeman: i decided not to go with seagate 1.5tb
Deanjo: They will have a firmware update I imagine for that pretty doon
redeeman: it has already been too long
Deanjo: Recall then maybe?
redeeman: and their response has been too bad
redeeman: i will probably go with samsung drives
maligor: redeeman, a bit like nvidia, eh
Deanjo: They have to do something that's for sure or they are just begging for a class action
Deanjo: And that one would actually have merit, unlike the bonehead that tried to sue apple because he was not told he has to recharge his iPhone.
maligor: maybe he should try licking the power outlets because they don't read: don't lick the power outlet
maligor: only in america, heh
Deanjo: Oh man, I saw so many stupid ass lawsuits @ apple it wasn't funny.
maligor: the lawyers get money
maligor: the system setup in europe is much preferrable
Deanjo: There was one lawsuit where the woman tried to sue apple because she was moving her computer desk with the imac on it. During the move it fell and hit her cat.
maligor: atleast in northern parts
maligor: there's a government official who handles them here
Deanjo: I firmly believe that any lawyer that takes up cases like that should be forced to pay legal costs out of his own pocket
maligor: There's a fundamental problem with that
maligor: The laws are made by lawyers
Deanjo: Ya I know
Deanjo: What gov't isn't made up of lawyers nowdays
maligor: And the american system encourages profiteering
maligor: It's practically built for it
Deanjo: Ya, it's been bleeding into Canada now
maligor: It's bleeding to europe also
Deanjo: There was a guy that spit on the sidewalk here in town a few months back and a person tried suing him because spitting in public is illegal now.
maligor: err.. what?
maligor: shouldn't that be handled by the police?
maligor: I have to say, I doubt the police would take you seriously for reporting spit crimes
Deanjo: "Mental trauma", he claims he can't walk on sidewalks now because he see's the incident every time he walks down the sidewalk
Deanjo: The police chief here told his receptionist that she "had a pretty dress" and a board of inquirery made him take "sensitivity training" lol
Deanjo: Fuck you can't even give a compliment nowdays without worrying about someone making a fuss nowdays
Deanjo: It's getting beyond stupid
cxo: What wrong with the following sentence "Gaming with a software rendering soundcard is not so happy flowers" [EagleDM on Phoronix forum/X-Fi driver]
Deanjo: lol lots
cxo: wtf is a software rendering soundcard
Deanjo: (especially since he was using Vista as his OS example which does all EAX-->openAL translations via software)
cxo: 1) Software can be rendered? 2) A soundcard does this? 3) And you game with all this? 4) wtf is a happy flower?
Deanjo: Software rendering he is referring to native 3d algorithms being processed in the hardware
Deanjo: err software vs hardware
Deanjo: Which is a moot point in Vista
Deanjo: He's under the impression that the X-Fi can do all EAX calls via hardware in Vista
cxo: if i recall correctly, there are no hardware mixers on the x-fi, there hasnt been any creative card with hw mixing since the audigy2
Deanjo: No the X-Fi does hardware mixing via the DSP in XP
cxo: great, hope to see that in the updated alsa drivers
Deanjo: Don't count on it.
Deanjo: To my knowledge that wasn't part of the documentation
cxo: i thought only the breakout box i/o wasnt supported in the gpl'd driver
Deanjo: Originally Creative was going to bring out full support for the DSP in linux but that got axxed
Deanjo: They were planning on full EAX 5 and so on
redeeman: people should just stop buying their crappy hardware
Deanjo: Last Creative I had was a SoundBlaster 32
cxo: 32 live here
Deanjo: That was enough of a headache that I never went back
Deanjo: plus their anti-competitive practices turns me right off
cxo: i'm using maudio gear now
cxo: audiophile 192 and delta1010
Deanjo: I'm happy with my Auzentechs
Deanjo: Next card will be a Asus more then likely
Deanjo: I really wish nVidia didn't kill Soundstorm
Deanjo: Hardware AC-3 encoding in linux was kick ass
maligor: cxo, the naming is a bit tricky for creative products
maligor: emu10k1/2 and emu20k1/2 have hw mixing
Deanjo: Maybe that stuff will start coming back with the GPGPU wave
maligor: the x-fi(emu20k) upmixes everything to 384KHz internally
cxo: 384khz? wtf dont bullshit
redeeman: lol deanjo why would you want ac3 encoding?
cxo: you want AC3 pass through
maligor: cxo, well, my "sources" aren't exactly bulletproof but don't see why they would lie about it
Deanjo: Just for everyday shit like system sounds and games redeeman
maligor: cxo, and it doesn't mean there's any samplers in it that do 384kHz :P
Deanjo: 1 digital out is better for cabling
cxo: maligor, I know a little about pro audio, I've never seen a studio do more than 192khz, even the best RME AES stuff will not do more than that
maligor: cxo, internally man
maligor: it doesn't expose 384KHz anywhere
cxo: why would you upmix it?
maligor: for mixing
cxo: that doesnt make sense
redeeman: not really for the samplerate, no
redeeman: makes no sense to go above the highest samplerate of one of the streams you mix
maligor: Sample rates supported include 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 192 and 384kHz
maligor: redeeman, non-integer conversions in samplerates cause aliasing
maligor: and you have to have the same samplerate for mixing
Deanjo: A higher sample rate does allow for more steps in the mixing
redeeman: going higher in samplerate makes no sense
redeeman: remember, we are not taking sample resolution, but the sample rate
maligor: I know
maligor: you can't mix between two different samplerates
maligor: you can make a algorithm to mix two sample resolutions pretty easily tho
redeeman: but you don't have material beyond 192khz
redeeman: so upmixing to above that makes no sense
maligor: well, I think the 384KHz is a bit over too
Deanjo: Unless your doing live recording I suppose
cxo: Live is done at 192/24
redeeman: Deanjo: you still don't get a converter with that samplerate
Deanjo: If your ADC can handle it
cxo: 384Khz is just bs, its kinda like Intel's 1600Mhz FSB
maligor: 384KHz is just double 192KHz
cxo: just double :)
maligor: yes, just double
cxo: gets a calculator
cxo: do you know what the difference in SNR will be?
Deanjo: For all practical uses it's useless
maligor: cxo, samplerate has nothing to do with SNR
cxo: it does
cxo: take a course on PCM
redeeman: yes because you need to downsample too, at playback
Deanjo: Sample rate sure does have a lot to do with SNR
maligor: quantisation noise I guess
maligor: disorts the form less with higher samplerate
maligor: but the thing doesn't handle analog signals internally
Deanjo: A damn nice card if you can still find them is the Revo 7.1
cxo: its still sold
maligor: cxo, it only has 192KHz ADCs
maligor: and afaik only takes in 192KHz data from pcm sources
Deanjo: Getting pretty hard to find them in mom and pop shops cxo
Deanjo: I think via even quit making the Envy24
cxo: if it only takes 192khz, then everything has to be upsampled to 192khz
maligor: in terms of features the x-fi is probably the best option, only problem is that you get creative in the bargain
cxo: Deanjo, no, they are still making 1010s with it, and ap192s
maligor: cxo, no, it upsamples everything to 384KHz apparently
maligor: and don't really ask me why it does it
cxo: that doesnt make sense
redeeman: well then it also must downsample
redeeman: because the DAC will not be supporting 384khz samplerate
Deanjo: It makes me worry cxo when I don't see recent driver updates
maligor: redeeman, so it must
cxo: so the driver bit stuffs to get 384khz?
maligor: redeeman, neither does any digital signalling unit
maligor: cxo, probably does the conversion in silicon
cxo: Deanjo, if it works, it works
Deanjo: lol, I know, just worries me, especially when VIA took over
maligor: and the vanishing products like Envy24-II
maligor: they even did a press release on it
cxo: its not like ICE-ensemble was going to do with the Envy24
Deanjo: Yup, best bargain card I had was the Chaintech AV-710
maligor: there's C-Media left now
cxo: maudio's entire pci product line is variants of the envy24, ice1712,1724
Deanjo: Ya well Asus has an exclusive on the 8788 now maligor
redeeman: which cmedia chip was it auzentech used to use?
Deanjo: I know Auzentech was pretty pissed off about that
Deanjo: 8788 for the Xmeridian and the 8778 for the X-Plosion
maligor: does crystal still make chips?
maligor: so just cmedia, creative and crappy integrated
maligor: and rme
redeeman: the digital chip doesn't really matter too much
Deanjo: Too bad Yamaha went out of the game
Deanjo: Yami had some kick ass chips back in the day
cxo: so did Crystal Sound
maligor: ofcourse intel now has some integrated stuff with ADAT Lightpipe on them
Deanjo: Especially when it came to midi
cxo: Turtle Beach even
cxo: Layla too, well LayLa is still around
Deanjo: Philips had a nice chip with the avenger
maligor: 8 channel uncompressed pcm over optic fiber
cxo: ADAT, DACs are expensive
maligor: the intel motherboard with ADAT Lightpipe costs about ... 100 eur
Deanjo: QMSS kicked CMSS ass every which day
maligor: ie, pretty much normal
maligor: finding a amp with adat lightpipe inputs might be more difficult
cxo: yeah but you need a DAC
cxo: ADAT is just PCM
Deanjo: There gets a poing though where "audiophiles" are talking out their ass
cxo: AES DACs are a little cheaper, RME has some nice ones
maligor: Deanjo, heh
maligor: what's a AES DAC?
cxo: DAC is digital to audio converter
maligor: oh, the spdif pro mode
cxo: AES is the technology
Deanjo: I'm sorry but when they start saying they can tell the difference between optical and RCA digital inputs I call BULLSHIT
cxo: here a AD/DA box that supports both http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_adi_8_qs.php
maligor: AES/EBU I guess?
redeeman: Deanjo: that depends on the circuit, often optical stuff introduces lots of jitter
redeeman: and lots of optical recievers also is fucking noisy
maligor: and coax causes loops
Deanjo: I'm talking purely on cable bandwidth redeeman
maligor: induction noise in the system :P
maligor: I can't even hear the difference between a analog link and a digital link
cxo: Receiver are noisy period.
maligor: I guess digital vs analog is mostly practicality
Deanjo: Even better is when they can tell the difference in optical cable vs optical cable
maligor: with ADAT you can get that 8 channels lossless instead of 8 cables
cxo: AES will do 16
maligor: Deanjo, golden contacts dude! it sounds better
redeeman: Deanjo: i must admit, my favorite was denons golden directional ethernet cable
Deanjo: Yup, it's all abou the directional patchcords baby
redeeman: especially when it's a buffered digital transmission
maligor: maybe if you paint the optical fiber end with gold paint you'll get better sound!
redeeman: patent it
redeeman: im sure you'll make a fortune
Deanjo: Don't get me going on gold ......
maligor: Improving the optical conductivity of light transmitting fiber lines.
maligor: Deanjo, it does stop oxidization on the connector surface
maligor: which is why it's used, no?
maligor: ofcourse now you have people selling premium digital cables with gilded contacts
Deanjo: ONLY if it's gold on gold
maligor: heh, how does gold react to the metal under it?
cxo: wants to drop an LS1 into a Series 1 XJ
Deanjo: Ya and not to mention the solder joints for the connector maligor
maligor: but shouldn't it stop oxidization of most of the connector surface?
Deanjo: Lead/Tin and Silver solder is all going to react anyways
cxo: pure gold doesnt conduct electricity, does it?
Deanjo: Ya it does, it's just not a great conductor
maligor: it doesn't really matter if you get oxidization ontop of the wire, as long as it isn't between gold surface and the conductor at the end
maligor: iirc gold isn't too bad
maligor: copper is better tho
Deanjo: so is silver
Deanjo: IIRC even pure tin is a better conductor
cxo: only uses Platinum electrical contacts!
maligor: platinum is a dreadful conductor
Deanjo: Is it zero-gravity refined platinum?
Deanjo: I get such a kick out of most "audiophile" interconnects
Deanjo: They soak the suckers for every cent
maligor: my contacts are all made from pure micro-gee refined unobtainium
Deanjo: But yet you throw those same "audiophiles" in front of a PLL tuner and they can't hear the whine
Deanjo: (yes I still do alot of shortwave and AM radio listening)
Deanjo: Best experienced on a tube radio
cxo: I'm not a fan of tubes, transistor based amps today can really kick butt
maligor: I also don't get why some people think tube amps are somehow better
Deanjo: When it comes to radio cxo, tubes truely kick ass
maligor: tubes look cooler tho
cxo: thats because of the power i guess
Deanjo: I like listening to minor league hockey games and such and the tubes give it a very soft warm sound
Deanjo: AM and shortwave sounds a hell of a lot better
maligor: I believe burrbrown makes warm dacs
Deanjo: Plus I like the turning on of the radio and waiting 2-3 minutes for the tubes to warm up and kick in
cxo: next upgrade http://www.rotel.com/UK/products/ProductDetails.htm?Id=2
Deanjo: One of my favorite hobbies is restoring the old "tombstone" radios
cxo: 116db SNR, beat that bitches
Deanjo: pffft, 117 or bust :P
maligor: balanced inputs
Deanjo: Them vinyl lovers are in a different class of their own too
maligor: and balanced outputs I guess
Deanjo: Personally when CD came out I was a very happy person to finally get rid of LP's
Deanjo: More of a factor is the mastering of the CD
maligor: but why in god's name have they put a 3,5mm jack on that thing?
Deanjo: More areodynamic maligor
Deanjo: faster bits
maligor: looks totally ridiculous next to a TRS
cxo: 3.5mm jack on what?
maligor: or what was the name of that connector :P
cxo: Balanced cables make a difference when start crossing 50ft
maligor: cxo, the device you showed
maligor: cxo, it seems to have a unbalanced 3,5mm jack and a XLR
Deanjo: Still the preferred interconnect with studios
maligor: they could've atleast used RCA ja 6,3mm connector
maligor: for unbalanced
cxo: thats not 3.5mm headphone jack
cxo: that RCA
Deanjo: I used to like the challenges car audio used to bring
maligor: mm,, you must be right
maligor: now that I look at it again
maligor: does have that metal ring
Deanjo: Used to make some good cash being able to eliminate noise
maligor: Deanjo, removed the motor?
cxo: i'll probably use RCA from the processor to the pre, then XLRs to the power
Deanjo: na, for best results you had to completely isolate the audio systems power
Deanjo: 90% of noise in car audio is caused from voltage differential from the head unit to the amp
maligor: doesn't the battery separate it from most noise the generators would make?
cxo: the alternator is also a bitch
Deanjo: As do the onboard electronics nowdays too cxo
Deanjo: Run a patch cable beside the ECM and your asking for troubles
cxo: the oem bose stuff that mercedes and vw are using sound pretty damn good
maligor: Electronic Counter ;easures?
cxo: engine computer
cxo: or otherwise ECU
Deanjo: Ya my old man had a 86 buick and it had a cassette bose system. It was pretty damn nice
Deanjo: Electronic Control Module
maligor: you should've used gilded optical fibers for power conduction
cxo: The Nakamichi system in the LS400 was also stunning
cxo: Audi also used Nakamichi
Deanjo: got to hang with David Navone and Richard Clark ...... car audio Gods
cxo: the first A3 had a Nakamichi setup
Deanjo: I would gladly trade my wife for Richards GNX
Deanjo: The staging in that car was incredible
cxo: i'd gladly trade my Nakamichi AV7 for a wife
Deanjo: You know your hardcore when you say the Alpine 7909's DAC's were "not good enough"
Deanjo: recalls days spent in front of L.E.A.P and Term-Pro
Deanjo: lol WTF? http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=51183#post51183
Deanjo: Guess he totally missed the forums and front page of the site
maligor: what front page? ;)
Deanjo: OMG you mean phoronix is not just a forum :D
maligor: OMG! You mean phoronix has a forum too!
maligor: irc irc! :P
Deanjo: Only if you use IE 8 maligor
cxo: stomach grumbles
cxo: needs to be fed soon
cxo: heh Microsoft has stopped Win3.11 licenses
Deanjo: DAMN YOU MS!!!
Deanjo: man is she fugly
cxo: shoosh dont let the fanboys hear you
cxo: they will come after you with pick forks
Deanjo: lol, "Fastest PC *****"
Deanjo: big asterdisks
Deanjo: ***** in some applications
Deanjo: The p4 to Core 2 was a bigger jump in performance
Deanjo: Well at least they had a big hootered Dolly at the end :P
cxo: blows smoke
Deanjo: Damn those are some big ass titties
cxo: is not a tit man
Deanjo: I'm not either but just giving credit where it is due cxo
Deanjo: lol IE 9 using webkit....... keep dreaming
Lightkey: but it was enough to get some free news coverage ;-)
Deanjo: Hell, I wish every damn browser used webkit (no, not because I used to work for apple).
cxo: is only concerned about one part of the body http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgIF5N31mLo&feature=related
cxo: Must be the mammal instinct
Deanjo: lol I really hope that wasn't a guy
cxo: I know my ass Deanjo, thats a woman
cxo: a very healthy one
Deanjo: Grrr, there is a ad on Phoronix that causes my youtube to stop working if I have it open in a tab
Lightkey: hooray for Flash
Deanjo: DIE FLASH DIE!!!
Deanjo: I would take bloody mono over flash any day
Deanjo: err silver light
Lightkey: no love love for SVG?
gentooer: swfdec isn't bad, you can easily disable individual flash ads
Deanjo: At least MS embraced OSS somewhat with silverlight
cxo: I use flashblock and noscript, best combo
gentooer: adblock pro takes care them as well
gentooer: *of them
Deanjo: I don't block flash. The way I figure it if I visit the site and find it useful they should make money off me
gentooer: yeah i have phoronix listed as an exception for adblock
gentooer: but most sites just go over board with the flash ads
Deanjo: Ya, they do
Deanjo: When I used to run my *cough* torrent site *cough* I never ran any type of ad
Deanjo: Never was hurting for donations because of that.
michaellarabel: PTS is going to have OpenBSD support...
Deanjo: ( well the total of 17 minutes offline over 3 years didn't hurt either despite switching hosts 5 freekin times)
Deanjo: OpenBSD support shouldn't be that much of a stretch from OS X
michaellarabel: I know, but I am not really interested in OpenBSD personally, and now just working on getting accustomed to OpenBSD.
Deanjo: Sooo, plan 9, when ? :P
Lightkey: so when can we expect support for MirBSD?
michaellarabel: The tech writer for the Los Angeles Daily News is the one that requested OpenBSD support... Not sure why.
redeeman: what section/thingie at bugs.freedesktop.org should one use for reporting bugs against the intel driver?
Deanjo: Agggh damn placebo effect
Deanjo: I've got faster ram, it feels faster but I know better
Milyardo: Deanjo: Mind of over Matter grasshoppper
Milyardo: Or hertz, samething
Deanjo: I feel the latency
Deanjo: It's like a disturbance in the force
Milyardo: michaellarabel: I'm quite familiar with OpenBSD if you've got questions
michaellarabel: Milyardo: Already made the critical changes and I think I'll call it good for now, though a pkg_add Externals Dependency support would be nice, I can't be bothered to do it right now.
Deanjo: OS X wannane
Milyardo: A OSX wannabe? thats a first :P
Deanjo: Humor me :P
Deanjo: Hey man, OS X gets a unjustified bad rap most times. Hater's beak no matter what even before they have even actually used it
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: Can you update your gentoo PTS ebuild for 1.4.x when you have the time?
cxo: OSX is a dummified OS
Deanjo: And you say so how?
cxo: Its an old fork of darwin, enough said
Deanjo: So, by your logic, webkit is old shit too?
Deanjo: Like hell that was forked off of khtml years ago
cxo: i think redhat's rpm is old shit too
Deanjo: BTW dawin is not a fork. Apple started darwin
cxo: how far away are you from BC?
Deanjo: I'm smack dab in the middle of canada
cxo: What do you think about buying a car 5000km away just by looking at pictures?
Deanjo: It's anout a 7-8 hour drive
Deanjo: I did it when I bought my 67 Camaro from Arizona
cxo: you think i can drive Ottawa -> Vancouver and back?
Deanjo: Ya, only thing about Ont. cars is that they see heavy salt
cxo: no, i live in ottawa, the car is in BC
Deanjo: My dad bought a van from ontario years ago. Within 12 months there was rust
Deanjo: BC cars should be alot better then what you can get in Ontario
cxo: its closer to drive to mexico, can you believe that
Deanjo: Personally I would take a prairie driven vehicle with 100,000 k over a 50 k coastal province anyday
Deanjo: 300 - 400k vehicles are pretty run of the mill here
Deanjo: No real stop and go traffic
cxo: corvette country
Deanjo: where abouts are you in Ontario cxo ?
cxo: Ottawa, i told you
Deanjo: Ahh yes
Deanjo: Roughriders RULE!!!! :P
Deanjo: I'm in TO pretty much every month
Deanjo: You guys still in + temps?
cxo: 12degC right now
Deanjo: Fuckers in Niagra are teasing me with short sleeve weather
Deanjo: +4 to -7 here
cxo: its been like that passed 2 weeks
cxo: it snows a few weeks back, and then completely warmed up
Deanjo: We got the dry snow a few weeks back
Deanjo: Next day it was +18
Deanjo: Kids actually got to go Trick or Treating without skidoo suits on :D
cxo: hey you know american cars right? is the LS1 an aluminum block?
mattmatteh: cxo, yes it is
Deanjo: Out of a Camaro or Vette yes it is
Deanjo: personal preference is the 327. Best small block ever
cxo: I'm thinking of getting an old jag to play with next summer, thought of doing an LS1 swap
cxo: yeah actually 5.7litres too much for me, heard of the 350/290?
cxo: I'm thinking of getting a350/290 for the project, but thats just a random decision, i havent looked into it too technically yet
Deanjo: Chevy's you can pump up cheap
cxo: sorry, what does that mean?
Deanjo: It means massive HP for cheap compared to every other setup out there
cxo: "The 350/290 will ship to you as a Base-level long block" i dont think i'm competent enough to dress the engine, i might need a turn-key solution
Deanjo: I dropped a 425 HP crate into my 54 dodge
cxo: i think the old jags have carbs on it, i wonder how difficult it would be to a 350 ram jet , fuel injection crate into it
Deanjo: IIRC the tranny should pretty much line right up
Deanjo: It was a pretty common swap in the 70's and 80's
Deanjo: My cousin dropped a 327 into a 76 911. That thing was insane
Deanjo: No back seat of course :D
cxo: i can imagine, the original 911 had only 200 odd hp
Deanjo: 75 miles per hour he would drop the hammer and peel ruber
cxo: i know, those small blocks will spin the wheels all the way into 3rd gear
Deanjo: Man if you could only balance them right
cxo: did you keep the 911 suspension/diffs ?
Deanjo: No he replaced them all
cxo: mustang rear end?
Deanjo: Can't remember. It was a decade and a half back
Deanjo: All I remember is damn near shitting my pant when he blew that RCMP away
cxo: that old 911 even with original engine will do that, it was a real belter
Deanjo: I had a 87 IROC blueprinted back in the day, worst mistake I ever made was selling that bitch
cxo: do you know what sort of gas mileage an LS1 gives these days?
Deanjo: Kid I sold it to killed himself 2 weeks after in it
cxo: Have you watched Grindhouse - Death proof?
Deanjo: LS 1 with overdrive your lookin about 35 MPG
cxo: 25mpg is pretty sweet
Deanjo: Without OD maybe 18-19
cxo: comes with "oil pan, electronic drive-bywire throttle body, intake manifold, exhaust manifolds, fuel rail with injectors, balancer, and 14" automatic transmission flexplate."
cxo: that will help my n00b skills
Deanjo: The "Dodge" http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c316/deanjo/?action=view¤t=my54.jpg
cxo: yeah you showed me that a few months back
Deanjo: 383 Stoker @ 565 HP
Deanjo: Got more toys this winter to put on
cxo: that kinda hp is just way more than i can handle
cxo: i dont want to replace the original suspension, so crossing 350hp is gonna be slightly scary
Deanjo: I WANT that GNX of Richards
Deanjo: 12 second times on a car that has a bitchin stereo
Deanjo: And that was the days way before kevlar composites
cxo: GNX had an auto box didnt it
Deanjo: Ya alot of guys swapped t though
Deanjo: Either for a 4 lightening rod out of a hurst olds or for an old muncie
cxo: GNX pissed of the vette fans
Deanjo: Oh hell yes
Deanjo: My IROC did the same
Deanjo: I used to be buddies with the RCMP at North Battleford. He used to drive the Mustang and it pissed him off royally that I would skin him alive
Deanjo: Then I threw in the Paxtom SC and he had noooooooooooo chance
Deanjo: I think I would consider trading a kid for that car back
cxo: i wonder if i should go for the auto box with the LS1 crate, you get 100k km warranty on it if you do
cxo: or 36months
Deanjo: I would go 36 months
Deanjo: All depends if it's your daily driver or not
cxo: yeah you're not gonna drive the sleeper all year round
cxo: well you could, but it wouldnt be a sleeper if everyone on the street has got burnt by it at least once
Deanjo: Oh i loved that about the IROC. Looked stock but skinned them alive
cxo: whats a Balancer?
Deanjo: Another name for Hydro dymanic coupler
Deanjo: It's the counter balance that offsets the crank in a V8
cxo: So i can order a crate from just any local GM dealer?
Deanjo: They are really quick too
cxo: The only things i'm gonna have a problem with is fab work for new engine mounts and drive shaft, i dont know how to weld
cxo: its gonna be my first engine swap so its gonna be really exciting
cxo: whips out the sax