Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-11-04
mattmatteh: gummybearx, what model board is it ?
gummybearx: mattmatteh its a p35 t2r lp-lt
Xemanth: uuuh wayland
Milyardo: Good Morning #phoronix
Erektium: good afternoon
Xemanth: good afternoon
Milyardo: distfiles hates me :(
bkero: What's wrong with the distfiles?
Milyardo: Its refusing my connections when I emerge a file
Milyardo: for somereason I can wget said package just fine
redeeman: use another mirror then
redeeman: and also, use paludis
Milyardo: For some reason I don't think changing mirrors will help
Milyardo: that and I don't know how to change mirrors :P
Plouj: can ASRock G43Twins-FullHD drive two digital monitors at the same time?
Milyardo: It has two ports I don't see why not
Kano: from the article the g43 driver seems to be pretty bad compared to g45
Plouj: some GMA chipsets share the same processor or whatever between both digital outputs resulting in only one of them being ever available
redeeman: i finally arsed myself to try my atom board, lol
Kano: you bought such a slow board
bkero: redeeman: Did you get a 230 or 270?
redeeman: i think it uses 270
bkero: My D945GCLF uses a 230.
Kano: even a cel 1 ghz is faster ;)
redeeman: Kano: i didn't expect to get super performance for a $50 board
bkero: The 230s are 64-bit.
Kano: i thought you only buy fast hardware *g*
redeeman: this one is plenty fast for it's purpose
Plouj: michaellarabel: do you know if ASRock G43Twins-FullHD can drive two digital monitors at the same time?
redeeman: if your dealie is compiz
redeeman: this one has faster graphics than your 8800gts :P
redeeman: hows that for irony?
bkero: For a small embedded server I've opted for a Linksys NSLU2.
bkero: Less than 1/5th the power consumption.
redeeman: i have a fit-pc which im gonna switch to for router within a few days
Kano: bkero: N270 does not support 64 bit
redeeman: it has low enough power consumption
bkero: Kano: I know. 230 does.
Kano: bkero: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microprocessors
redeeman: the bios says mine does em64t, so i guess it's 230 then
bkero: Is it a D945GCLF?
redeeman: im quite satisfied for the price
bkero: Yea, I have one of those.
bkero: They're pretty nice. My problem is that I gimped it with a slow CF card.
redeeman: i might pick up a dualcore version some time
redeeman: the version 2 also has gigabit ethernet
maligor: how slow a cf card?-)
bkero: I'm used to 4000MB/sec :/
redeeman: you arent used to that from no cf card, you're not :P
bkero: Nope. I run rootfs off of RAM.
maligor: you have 8 Inetl X-25's in a RAID0?
bkero: Rolled my own initrd to make a tmpfs and rsync a drive to the tmpfs, then pivot_root onto the ram.
redeeman: why not use initramfs?
maligor: fast CF cards are pretty cheap tho
maligor: I see 2GB Transcend 133X at 13 eur
bkero: No reason not to use initramfs, it's just a drop-in replacement for initrd.
bkero: 133x is pretty slow
maligor: not really
redeeman: 266 ;)
bkero: That's what I ran as a ghetto SSD in my laptop before I got an mtron.
bkero: That's a 266x
redeeman: that's a very high acces time
maligor: Timing buffered disk reads: 90 MB in 3.07 seconds = 29.35 MB/sec
maligor: is a transcend 133x 16GB
maligor: it's in a usb reader tho
bkero: USB readers do gimp performance a lot
maligor: this is a lexar professional udma usb reader
maligor: fastest usb reader I could find
maligor: (with SDHC slot)
bkero: Something about giving usb devices DMA feels dirty to me.
maligor: SM333QF inside it
bkero: I just have it on the IDE bus. Doesn't the CF card also have to support DMA?
maligor: you can check the mode with hdparm I guess
maligor: nodoubt it's PIO if it gives you 10MB/s
bkero: I kind of broke it a few weeks ago, heh.
maligor: I just use the reader for offloading images really, I was rather surprised that the transcend gives me 30MB/s
bkero: D945GCLF handled 5 minutes in the freezer fine, the CF card didn't.
maligor: I just bought the cheapest 16GB card
maligor: (of any reasonable brand)
maligor: wouldn't touch nonames
bkero: A-DATA was that 45MB/sec CF card I linked earlier.
Kano: you can install any good distro (incl. mine) onto usb stick, no ide adapter needed
bkero: An 8gb 266x
bkero: I've found some stability problems with prolonged use of the USB bus.
redeeman: on some usb controllers yes
bkero: That's why I've had to switch away from the Linksys NSLU2
maligor: haven't actually checked if this reader supports booting off cf
redeeman: but i do it on intel ich with no issue
bkero: and I've had some problems with the USB Controller on the D945GCLF too.
redeeman: i have some routers running booted from usb stick
bkero: Me too, using pfsense
redeeman: on intel g965 board
redeeman: works excellenbt
bkero: I'm talking about 14 hard drives across 2 hubs.
bkero: With constant data access
bkero: After a couple days, the kernel starts hemmoraging
maligor: sounds like a job for the lkml
maligor: I'm sure someone will say: You did WHAT?!
bkero: I move a lot, and carry my fileserver in a messenger bag, so I need to use USB drives
maligor: you could just get a nas case
bkero: Then I'd have to carry a computer case with me, and not just a messenger bag.
maligor: don't think there's a nas that supports 14 harddrives tho
bkero: and there are none with 8 ports onboard plus an 8 port pci sata controller
bkero: If I were stationary I'd just use a disk case with a port replicator
bkero: Although there are very limited numbers of SATA controllers with port replicator functionality built into the kernel.
maligor: I wonder where the via nano's vanished
maligor: they might have better stuff
bkero: The VIA Nano never came out. :P
maligor: or ARM Cortex-A8 mini-atx board :P
bkero: I don't particularly like Intel, even though I worked for them last month.
maligor: that'd be sweet
bkero: I however, get HUGE wood over ARM stuff.
bkero: NSLU2 was a 266MHz Xscale ARM processor with half-implemented thumb instructions. 8)
maligor: I have a marvell orion
bkero: I'd really like to see what some multi-core 800MHz ARMs are capable of.
bkero: Do you run a commonplace distro on it?
bkero: Do you run whatever came with it? :/
maligor: for the moment, yeah
maligor: linux kernels have some issues with it still so I haven't hacked it much yet
bkero: My philosophy is that if you don't have root on it, you don't own it.
maligor: I do have root on it :P
bkero: orion support got added in 2.6.27 iirc
maligor: I know
bkero: You just have to patch for your vendor
maligor: actually 2.6.25
bkero: hosts the nslu2-linux and nas-central projects.
bkero: (and handhelds.org, but that's unrelated)
bkero: redeeman: Looks like I've been using initramfs all along and didn't know it
bkero: I tought initrd just has a method to be built into the kernel, but I guess that's actually initramfs. I just pointed the kernel menuconfig entry to the filesystem I made.
redeeman: you must use switch_root instead of pivot_root if you use initramfs
bkero: Maybe I'm not then? I just shove the things into the SOURCE line
redeeman: lol ubuntu 8.10 kernel panics when i try to boot it on my atom box
Kano: maybe you need acpi=force, i have that since 2.6.27...
redeeman: how inspiring
redeeman: the xuggabugga beta did not need this
redeeman: ofcourse that was 32bit i tried, now 64bit
redeeman: the splash appears to be broken in ubuntu 64bit aswell
Kano: remove the quiet + splash option
Kano: 64 bit is always more buggy than 32 bit
redeeman: yeah that's how i discovered the kernel panic....
redeeman: maybe on ubuntu
redeeman: but my non-uggabugga installs have less problems with 64bit
redeeman: well even after update, splash is still broken
redeeman: ubuntu never ceases to amaze me with the complete lack of quality control
Kano: well then try lenny 64bit
maligor: Kano, buggy how?-)
maligor: you mean ubuntu 64bit?
Kano: yes i mean that
redeeman: i already have a lenny 64bit install
redeeman: works fine
Kano: even that kubuntu with kde 4 is too buggy for me
Kano: enabling compiz and disabling 90% of the features is also a very smart idea...
Kano: then you would have got much less problems when it would be disabled by default
redeeman: messing with acpi settings changed nothing
maligor: I wonder how the UVD2 bitstream decoder syncs to audio, or does it decode audio aswell
redeeman: lol ubuntu is seriously a giant joke, how sad that it is what represents linux for most people
Kano: btw. the 64 bit kernel has xen active by default
Milyardo: Yeah I rebuilt my initrd on my 64 intrid box, after that the splash was fine
bkero: wtf xen
bkero: They really shot themselves in the foot by sticking with 2.6.18. That's why KVM is going to be quick to supercede them.
redeeman: that's not the only reason kvm is gonna own them
bkero: It certainly isn
bkero: 't helping them though
redeeman: as far as what i've been told, they have been completely unreasonable in all sorts of dealings
redeeman: and they are so fucking slow in getting merged
redeeman: not to mention that entire xen stinks far away of being a piece of enterprise garbage
bkero: Maybe it has something to do with all the redhat patches that never get pushed back to mainline
bkero: and that being the majority of the development
redeeman: not entirely
redeeman: kvm is simply the future
redeeman: no (forced) crap
bkero: Xen has been fail thouh, for a while.
Milyardo: whooo new error with git on raptor michaellarabel
Milyardo: error: Couldn't get http://www.phorogit.com/repo/phoronix-test-suite.git/refs/heads/pts-malvik for heads/pts-malvik
Milyardo: don't know if thats progress or not
Deanjo: laughs his ass off at this comment "If you need the memory bandwidth for encoding, get the i7, no doubt. "
Deanjo: Ya like that's always been the bottleneck
bkero: QPI is pretty gimped, but it's so much better than having a ghetto fSB.
redeeman: well i7 obviously gives you more bandwidth
redeeman: it is deanjo
redeeman: on current quadcores it really is
Deanjo: not for encoding
redeeman: yes it is
Deanjo: not even close
bkero: 's landlord is a validation engineer for Nehalem(i7)
redeeman: x264 is memory bandwidth limited when using a quadcore
bkero: Well, was, but now that it's released he's moved onto Sandy Bridge.
Deanjo: I have no idea where you get that idea from
redeeman: what would you suggest it is limited from?
Deanjo: The bottleneck is still the CPU even with the fastest CPU around
redeeman: not true
Deanjo: Very true
redeeman: it scales quite linearly with 4 cores
redeeman: or more
redeeman: but on the current quadcores you are limited by memory bandwidth
redeeman: and you cannot use more than ~3 cores
redeeman: you do not know what you are talking about
Deanjo: I do tonnes of HD encoding
redeeman: explain to me what is limiting it then
Deanjo: I already told you, your CPU is still the bottleneck, not the memory bandwidth
redeeman: it might be memory latency etc but on intel quads, you are limited by memory
redeeman: that is quite simple
Deanjo: Intel quads scale very nicely as is with video encoding
bkero: Not across multiple sockets.
redeeman: Deanjo: then explain to me what is limiting me from using 4 cores when i know it is not the scalability of the software?
redeeman: and why 7zip the same way is limited
Deanjo: Sure it does. Like I've said, I've done tones of encoding on such a platform (MacPro Octo)
redeeman: lol macpro
bkero: Meh, it's just a dual-quad xeon
redeeman: anyway, please tell me why my x264 does not wish to use all my 4 cores
redeeman: im most interrested in getting it solved
redeeman: it would after all give me 25% extra speed
redeeman: sometimes it even only uses 280%
Deanjo: Something is definitely screwy with your system
bkero: There's a reason that video encoding really hasn't been able to be distributed that well. The process of decoding and re-encoding b-frames and vectors from there is pretty procedural, not very parallelizable.
redeeman: it's just how it is
redeeman: bkero: you can easily distribute to far more than 4 threads with h264 if you accept a tiny loss
bkero: You can outsource other heavy calculations like quanitizing matrices and a preliminary pass, those get threaded separately
bkero: redeeman: I've done x264 encoding on a 32-thread Sun T2000. I know about threading it.
redeeman: Deanjo: i suggest you re-evaluate your beliefs in this matter, for it is wrong
Deanjo: Hardly, I speak from real life use.
redeeman: as do i
bkero: How about you both try to encode something on your quad core boxes, and see if you're being CPU limited or memory limited?
bkero: This is something relatively simple to test.
redeeman: indeed it is
redeeman: just give me file/app parameters and ill happily test with same settings as you
redeeman: preferrably ffmpeg
bkero: Ok, here's your file to transcode from
redeeman: ETA 20-25 min on download
bkero: If you prefer something smaller, use https://184.108.40.206/data/Robot.Chicken.S04E01.PDTV.XviD-aAF.avi
GNU\colossus: ROBOT CHICKEN, EPIC WIN DUDE!
redeeman: ok, ill take the smaller
bkero: It was handy and < 700M
redeeman: you are on a nice connection
redeeman: ah going a tad down in speed now
bkero: I have muchas bandwidthas
bkero: Both of those are unmetered gigabit :P
redeeman: well it's down to 150KB/s now
redeeman: now 320
bkero: 65.111 is in florida. ftp.osuosl could have put you in Oregon, Chicago, or Atlanta
Deanjo: ( Cpu Stats ) 95.2% user, 1.9% sys, 0% nice, 2.8% idle | [||||||||||||||||||||||||||||] ( 97.1% )
bkero: What's the IOwait on that?
bkero: Run some iostat
bkero: and disregard the first number, do 'iostat 5 5'
bkero: You've gotta run that while doing the encoding
Deanjo: it is
bkero: 0% iowait? O_o
maligor: hmm.. funky, never noticed you can get gpu usage with aticonfig --od-getclocks
maligor: glxgears gives 57% gpu load
Deanjo: Big gears :P
bkero: Big gears makes a pretty big difference over standard size gears.
Deanjo: You gotta grease them every once and a while you know :P
maligor: might have something to do with it being on 2d clocks
bkero: Does the card automatically switch to low-3d and 3d?
Deanjo: finally gets that call from Asus he has been waiting for
maligor: bkero, I imagine so
bkero: I want to do some video encoding on my SLI 8800GT's
maligor: then you'll have to write a cuda encoder
bkero: I wonder how fast using video card ram from an MTD is
maligor: Memory Type Device?
bkero: Memory Technology Device IIRC
bkero: You can allocate memory from somewhere as a block device
bkero: So make your video card RAM some swap, and crank up the swappiness. :)
Deanjo: bkero, there is a release of the Dirac Codec that does support Cuda available
maligor: bkero, well, it'll be faster than disk swap
maligor: tempting idea
bkero: Deanjo: Will it be faster than regular RAM?
maligor: bkero, what do you think? ;)
Deanjo: From what I've seen with the Cuda enabled encoders, disk IO is not a bottleneck
maligor: video ram would be limited by the pci-e bus
maligor: the new highend cards have immense bandwidth
maligor: 115.2GB/s according to wikipedia :P
bkero: A PCI-E 16x slot has quite a bit of bandwidth.
maligor: not enough
maligor: I think one pci-e lane was 250MB/s
bkero: A PCI-E 2.0 lane has 250MB/s
bkero: A 2.0 lane was double that
bkero: So 500MB/s for a 2.0 lane. 16 of them.
maligor: even that's way below bandwidth on the card
bkero: 8GB/sec of throughput
maligor: 7% of total bandwidth available
maligor: HD 4870 has 115GB/s bandwidth
bkero: That's intra-card bandwidth.
bkero: Your PCI-E bandwidth would just be used to push video to/bring video from.
bkero: Which, as we've seen from IOWait, is absolutely nothing.
bkero: Input/output wait
bkero: Traditionally it's the amount of waiting a process does while waiting for data from a hard disk.
maligor: I know what io expands to
Deanjo: Wow, that was quick, Asus will have a new BIOS for me to test in a day
Marox: very kind
Deanjo: Ya, I've actually been having pretty good luck with their engineering fixing BIOS bugs I find
Marox: linux specific or generally hardware issues ?
Deanjo: hardware issue this time. The AMD-V bit was not being flipped no matter what the setting was in the BIOS
Deanjo: Still trying to convince them to release the ATK 0110 documentation even under NDA to get support for it in linux
maligor: Deanjo, there is that one driver for it
Deanjo: Ya but it's limited, I want to enable the full features of it.
Deanjo: ie Softclocking
bkero: ATK 0110? Is that the clock generator?
maligor: acpi blob
maligor: for monitor and control of voltages and fans
maligor: and system clock I guess
bkero: That would be nice
Deanjo: Ya, it would be nice if we could have all the "neeto" features in something other then windows
maligor: yeah, syllable would become glorious with atk0110
bkero: That's a nice module name.
Deanjo: modprobe neeto
bkero: I'm really thinking about getting dual nehalems with a matching board.
bkero: I wonder if they'll make a dual nehalem board with pci-e 16x 2.0
cxo: sees Linux as a neeto feature
bkero: Two 8-core nehalems with hyperthreading. 32 logical cores. :P
Deanjo: I want uberneeto though cxo
maligor: bkero, if they make a dual nahelililiem, I imagine it'll have pci-e 16x 2.0
bkero: maligor: Dual nehalems would be xeon, which would be server boards. Why would server boards have pci-e 16x 2.0?
maligor: bkero, what then? AGP?
bkero: Integrated graphics
maligor: yes? why wouldn't it have pci-e slots?
Deanjo: bkero, duals can be used for a workstation as well
bkero: I know, I have one.
maligor: I guess it could have a stack full of pci-x slots
maligor: but there's starting to be pci-e cards too that have server use
Deanjo: There are already systems out there for xeons with 2.0 slots
maligor: not to mention pci-e has less wires
maligor: so it's cheaper to integrated devices to it
Deanjo: will miss Abit boards *sniff*
bkero: has been pampered by his DFI board.
Deanjo: It's getting hard to get a "no proprietary bells and whistles" performance boards
bkero: It's driving this opteron as fast as the chip is capable.
Deanjo: Hell if I had my choice, I would purge my boards of things like built in audio
bkero: I want a board with IPMI
Deanjo: Another annoying trend is for manufacturers to make their proprietary apps for the bell and whistles with a gui scheme that clashes with every thing else.
Deanjo: glares at MSI being one of the worse
bkero: I'd rather just have the hardware whitepapers published, so we can just have kernel modules, then fetch things from /sys, etc.
bkero: Asus and DFI do it too
Deanjo: Ya I know, but at least they don't use a God awful bright orange
Deanjo: I don't want my system to look like it has a "pumpkin" screensaver going on it
bkero: I just do all my monitoring using the wmii status bar.
Deanjo: I just lick the USB cable :P
Deanjo: reminds the kids not to lick a frozen steel pole though
maligor: Deanjo, not to mention totally tasteless ui
maligor: it's the trend in windows tho
maligor: who makes the worst looking skinned configuration interface
Deanjo: Ya, well it stands to reason since those apps are the time being restricted to windows for the most part
Deanjo: I would have to say MSI takes the cake for worst skins
maligor: macosx only doesn't suffer from it because apple controls the hardware platform with a iron fist
Deanjo: I wish they would at least give the option to use the windows decorations
maligor: and in linux someone would reverse it and make something that doesn't look dreadful
cxo: Have you ever seen something, that you only heard stories about? Like a Dinosaur, or a Unicorn? This is my Unicorn http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150307821946&ih=005&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=
bkero: There is third party software out there to change OS X window decorations
bkero: A 1990 Mercedes 560SEL is your unicorn?
cxo: that an AMG tuned 6liter-32v DOHC v8 w126 S-class, that car had 400hp in the 1980s!
cxo: Rumor is that only 15 cars were made
bkero: My aspirations are a bit more common. I'd like a Formula Atlantic 4AGE, or a Toyota 503E engine.
bkero: The crankshaft of the FA-4AGE costs $15,000 for material and to machine.
bkero: It's a 1.6L good for 17,000RPMs
Deanjo: Bahhh, no bulletproof glass...... :P
bkero: Fast cars are a misnomer. I'd rather have a fast go-kart. :) They run rings around cars.
cxo: Yup just before you get run over
Deanjo: just wants to go shopping at the mall one day by arriving in a harrier
bkero: cxo: I'm not concerned about being run over by a car. That sort of mentality breeds car-size oneupsmanship.
Deanjo: can then tell the parking attendant where he can stick his pay parking ticket
cxo: Its not the speed that is appealing with the Hammer, today a $60k C63 AMG gives you 500hp on tap, but with the Hammer, it was more of the Engineering achievement of its day
bkero: My car is one of the smallest mass-production cars released, one of the lightest, and has some of the best crash ratings. It has 4 firewalls.
Deanjo: Sounds like an advertisement for smoothwall :P
bkero: Sorry, I'm more a of a pfsense man.
Deanjo: Ya I like pfsense too
bkero: 275 horsepower@2200lbs > 400 horsepower@4000lbs
maligor: you mean it has a increased likelyhood of catching fire so they put more walls?
cxo: to put it into perspective, a 1980s Toyota Corrola had 80hp, today the same car has 150hp, so that would make the Hammer a 750hp saloon car today
Deanjo: hmmm, good to see AMD's processor division actually being able to release something ahead of schedule now.
bkero: As cars go through generations they get bigger, fattier, and heavier.
bkero: Something bigger and fatter needs a higher-output engine.
cxo: Does that mean fat people have bigger hearts?
bkero: It means fat people have to have higher-output hearts.
Plouj: cxo: lol
Deanjo: can picture Overclocked pacemakers
bkero: Actually, I went to a talk at defcon about medical hacking
bkero: Pacemakers work off an unencrypted wireless connection.
maligor: Deanjo, what are they releasing?
bkero: They have diagnostic modes that can induce heart attacks.
Deanjo: Ya deneb is coming a bit sooner then expected
Deanjo: They silently released the shanghais recently
Deanjo: They need to keep being able to do that to restore investor confidence
Deanjo: The phenom delays really killed that
maligor: shanghai is opteron cores?
bkero: Have they improved per-clock efficiency at all?
bkero: My first generation dual-core opteron is as-fast clock-for-clock as modern X2's. :/
Erektium: I have faith in deneb
Deanjo: They say around 20% improvement clock for clock bkero
bkero: That would be impressive.
cxo: Intel thinks its the 1980s, they are selling CPUs for $1000 a piece
bkero: Intel has been sitting on top of the hill too long
bkero: Intel is such a huge lazy piece of shit
cxo: Deneb better have 100mb of L3 cache and be clocked at 6Ghz, cos i'm not paying a grand for an Intel cpu
bkero: If it weren't for AMD they'd still be selling us Pentium 4's. :/
Deanjo: Well even the K7's shortened the life of the P3's
cxo: we saw 60% price reduction from Nvidia, after the HD4870
cxo: AMD really needs to kick some i7 balls
GNU\colossus: I'd eagerly buy a Deneb :)
Deanjo: They gotta be on the ball and get Bulldozer in a fast time frame
bkero: I'll beleive it when I see it. Phenom had some serious issues
GNU\colossus: although I really don't need new hardware
cxo: sadly, neither do i
cxo: this damn 4200+ just keeps jugging along
bkero: I do
cxo: chugging even
bkero: My opteron is a 165, equivalent to an X2 3800+. I'm running it at 3.25GHz though. It's still limiting me in some things.
Deanjo: Heh, for most people X2's still is more then enough for their everyday uses
bkero: This computer is deluge-torrent's build box, my gentoo binhost for all my low-power devices, and a gaming platform.
maligor: a cortex a8 at 1GHz would probably be enough for everyday uses
bkero: I don't think I'm what you would call a 'normal user'.
bkero: This atom is enough for everyday uses, besides 720p playback.
GNU\colossus: if i weren't running gentoo, I'd happily live withmy a64 venice 3000+ and 512mb of ram :)
cxo: Nano breaks Atom's 1080p balls
Deanjo: I use a 4200+ that does double duty as a build server and HTPC :S
bkero: cxo: Has nano been released?
cxo: Via had a demo of the Nano playing Crysis even
cxo: bkero, way back
GNU\colossus: nano is a shitty text editor in my book
bkero: Where can I buy a board with nano on it?
maligor: cxo, you've seen a product?
bkero: THey're not listed on newegg
Erektium: I have an X2 3800+
cxo: Gigabyte and ECS have boards with it inbuilt at my local store
maligor: cxo, are you sure they aren't c7 nanobga?
bkero: Are you sure it's not another naming conventions? Newegg has 'nano' listed at MSI MS-9802-020 VIA C7/Eden Nano BGA2 1GHz onboard 479 VIA CX700M Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo
maligor: which is just a small board with c7
bkero: There's also the nano-itx standard
Deanjo: Hell even the old Socket 754 3200+ Windsor system that I have is still snappy
cxo: maligor, , toms had a benchmark of Nano vs Atom like 6 months ago
bkero: So did hardocp
bkero: But we haven't seen any real product release.
bkero: Nanos are also really expensive comparatively.
cxo: May 2008, http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-9954388-64.html
cxo: Aug 2008, http://www.trustedreviews.com/cpu-memory/review/2008/08/15/VIA-Nano-vs-Intel-Atom/p1
Deanjo: I like the looks of the mini-ITX AM2+ boards
bkero: Holy christ, 25W TDP
bkero: I see the processors themselves are released
bkero: Using a NanoBGA2 socket.
cxo: Oct 2008, Energy benchmark http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Athlon-Atom-Nano-power,2036.html
Deanjo: *cough* toms *cough*
Deanjo: We all know how well they benchmark ;D
cxo: Asus was calling it the "Atom Smasher"
bkero: Yea, 28 watts
bkero: Tha'ts a lot
bkero: The only reason the atom comes close to that is because Intel was retarded and mated it to a 945GMS chipset.
Deanjo: You really have to account for the whole system though bkero
bkero: Deanjo: Major power eaters are the processor and chipset.
cxo: TDP for Board+CPU, both Athlon and Nano, are lower than an Atom
bkero: Power supply efficiency too if you're going from the wall
bkero: cxo: Look at a Z-series atom with Poulsbo chipset.
redeeman: the crappy 945g is taking up considerably more power than the atom
bkero: 3 watts for the chipset + 2 watts for the proc
bkero: The 945GC chipset in the deskop versions takes up _17_ watts
redeeman: bkero: more, according to intel pdf
redeeman: more like ~20
cxo: 5watts? hmm... i could run that on lemon juice
redeeman: but it's advantage is that it's dirt cheap
bkero: redeeman: You're right
bkero: It's dirt cheap because intel has them sitting in the back room because they're from 2005 and nobody wants them anymore.
redeeman: i saw it in an IDF pdf about the atom setup
Deanjo: Wonder if AMD is going to come out with a server chipset to further reduce Opteron server consumption
redeeman: i wish amd would just make a chipset for desktops that is usable
bkero: redeeman: THIS is the chipset that was supposed to be released at Atom launch. http://ark.intel.com/chipset.aspx?familyID=35443 [+]
redeeman: bkero: they are fine for elcheapo desk computers most people want
redeeman: it's very good value i must say
bkero: redeeman: Not even. They make a horrendous noise. I have a D945GCLF
redeeman: yeah but it's still cheap
bkero: The noise is terrible
redeeman: and cook it up in a normal microatx tower and the noise isn't more than the average desktop
bkero: It is though
bkero: It's a 40mm fan
bkero: and spins at a mildly high RPM
redeeman: bkero: i just put mine together today
redeeman: the bios said 6k rpm lol
Deanjo: Those small fans die fast too
bkero: I have it in a Morex thin-profile case
cxo: 6k rpm? you will need to change the oil every 7 days then
cxo: and the fuel filter too
bkero: redeeman: Swap that fan to the SYS header instead, that's on a PWM
cxo: probably need new timing chain in a month
Deanjo: If you know a machinist you can get them to make a nice passive heatsink for a case of beer usually :P
bkero: silentpcreview has an article on making it quieter
bkero: Timing CHAIN? wtf kind of ghetto cars do you buy? P
bkero: I've tried passive on it. Doesn't work very well
bkero: The reason I tossed that computer in the freezer and destroyed the CF card is because I tried running without the case fan.
bkero: Damn thing pegged 85c
bkero: And I know which cheap shitty chip to blame.
Deanjo: Ya but if you know a machinist like I said, you can create some pretty damn good heatsinks to do the job. There is enough surface area on the board to pull it off
bkero: That would bet the case if you could put a heat sink across the entire surface area of the board
bkero: But you have a small area the size of the die, which is producing 22 watts.
bkero: You could do something like wide heatpipes on it, but that wouldn't really fit in any small case.
Deanjo: Well you could use a larger fan on the case to cool it sufficiently
Deanjo: A low spinning 80 mm would easily do it I'd expect
bkero: There's no room. I've thought of it.
bkero: There's a 60mm fan on the case
Deanjo: A buddy of mine makes a bunch of custom HS's for me
bkero: 50mm I guess
Deanjo: I hated them damn NB/SB fans
bkero: Deanjo: I'll pay him well if he can make me a 62x62mm waterblock for my peltier.
Deanjo: Next time I talk to him I'll find out
bkero: I can just use a lucite top
bkero: I'm using an entire MR2 radiator complete with dual fans for cooling my watercooling setup.
Deanjo: His boss now demands I bring the beer to the shop now though. He wants his cut lol
bkero: I will bring them all growlers of tasty tasty stuff
bkero: Oregon beer.
bkero: My 62mm peltier is 437w. It should get me to at least 10c.
bkero: I'd like to get some evap going with it
Deanjo: wonders if the BIOS asus is going to send him tomorrow will have Deneb support
bkero: Have you ever unpacked it?
Deanjo: Haven't got it yet
bkero: Have you unpacked a previous version though?
bkero: Unpacked this Dell Mini 9 BIOS before. Found the PCI tables and some initialization code
bkero: I'm going to enable the SATA interface on it.
Deanjo: Ya, nothing in the latest official bios yet for Deneb
cxo: need a SEL
cxo: will lasso the moon in exchange for one.
bkero: needs an openvpn distcc cluster
cxo: we had a buildbot at my old work, everyone hated on it, cos engineering would try and install it on your pc when youre not looking
bkero: We opt-in
cxo: Fun Fact: Did you know a Lion needs to have sex 1500 times (once in every 4minutes) in order to conceive
bkero: Lame impotent lions.
GNU\colossus: that's nothing! We h... WTF, 1500?!
cxo: yeah saw it on discovery channel the other day
bkero: I'll do that in about a weekend.
GNU\colossus: see that documentary on discovery channel? wow, cool.
cxo: Fun Fact: Did you know dolphins will hump anything, from seals, eels, turtles, people etc..
cxo: Keep an eye on your wife GNU\colossus , when you guys go to MarineLand next time
GNU\colossus: cxo: check http://coloss.us.to/Dolphin.gif
cxo: yeah you see what i was telling you about
cxo: Fun Fact: Did you know that a female Hyena has a clit over 8" long
cxo: needs to stop watching national geography
cxo: but in case you guys are interested http://eztv.it/shows/33/national-geographic/
cxo: you can guess what the episode is called :)
GNU\colossus: "the hyena clit of doom"
cxo: Google Images and yee shall find
bkero: is at work
bkero: Something tells me that a 8" hyena clit on a 30" monitor would be wtfworthy
cxo: did you google it?
Deanjo: Gotta use a projector for that bkero
cxo: is DOSing X.org with git pulls for those damn 3d radeonhd drivers
cxo: I swear i'm going to do a drive by on the ATi driver dev team one day
GNU\colossus: lol ;)
GNU\colossus: is dri finally coming to R00?
bkero: Won't it be great when those drivers are mature and usable?
cxo: yeah, when the HD4870 is 10yrs old
GNU\colossus: pats his Intel IGP
cxo: The X1[4,6,7,8]XX card is pushing 4 years and the fglrx driver still pwns radeon with 3D even though the docs were released over a year ago
cxo: so if the past is any predictor of the future, you will see pathetic 3d support for HD4870 in the year 2012
Deanjo: Thus why the world will end in 2012
cxo: i thought that was 2019 or something
cxo: or whenever time_t overflows
cxo: 32bit will give you 136 years, so maybe we got more time before the world ends
bkero: Assuming that it's unsigned.
Deanjo: Pffft Mayans don't do bits
cxo: Unless Linus thought time travel was possible, i think unsigned is a pretty good assumption
cxo: i dont get it
bkero: You must have never seen firefly
redeeman: don't even joke with that
cxo: oh i got to stick this to those l33t wannabe gentoo users http://www.xkcdb.com/?1480
bkero: Gentoo recompiles the compiler in a bootstrap
cxo: but not for every package
bkero: Why would you?
cxo: thats why its funny
cxo: what does that mean?
cxo: "blueballed himself"
cxo: hand hurts
cxo: mysql + libxine = my heaven