Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-10-30
Extreme_Coder: Hi again :/
Extreme_Coder: Guys, I have a question about MPlayer
Extreme_Coder: is anyone online now?
ExtremeCoder: Damn internet connection
ExtremeCoder: Anyway, anyone active here now?
ExtremeCoder: Is a dual-core 1.6 GHz CPU enough for decoding HD video?
Milyardo: woooo today iz the day
Milyardo: party at Mark's!
Milyardo: I sooooo forgot to download Crossover on 28th :(
Milyardo: I guess I'll just have to buy a copy when I get the money
Milyardo: So how many downloads did CXO get/
Milyardo: Who exactly is Crossoever abbreviated?
Lightkey: they are not sure yet because of "server hiccups", they said 650000 and "at least 750000"
Milyardo: Holy shit
Kano: so now u 8.10 is out and still no nv legacy drivers ;)
Kano: well betas are out now,but not in u *g*
Kano: at least 96.x has "Added preliminary support for X.Org server 1.5."
Kano: if somebody needs nv legacy drivers on u: http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-debian.sh
Kano: my script is uptodate, -v s to install opengl 3 driver
michaellarabel: New Unigine test updates for PTS 1.4 :)
Milyardo: Now all I need is hardware capable of running it!
Marox: indeed :)
Deanjo: gives a Trident video card to Milyardo
Deanjo: 3d is just a fad
Milyardo: Deanjo: True that
Deanjo: We will all be looking back and laughing at the idea of the "Desktop" in a few years. CLI will be all that we need
Milyardo: Its all I need
Milyardo: screen for life
Milyardo: Terminal Persistence FTW
Deanjo: Personally I just take raw serial data by licking the serial cable and feeling the electrical impulses
Milyardo: licks Deanjo's Serial cable
Milyardo: Takes like chicken!
Deanjo: Ya BBQ's none the less
Deanjo: Non of this deep fried stuff
cxo: Milyardo, download cxoffice? you must be joking, Why would anyone need that when wine works just fine
Milyardo: Never used it, so It could be better somehow
Deanjo: I've found it already runs some stuff better then the latest wine
Milyardo: That and I was just thinking about buying it to further WINE developemnt
cxo: I only use wine for games, and for that purpose its better than cxoffice and cedega, because most of the time you need a little hack-recompile to get a really new game working anyways
Deanjo: Problem with wine is that it seems to have just as many regressions as it has fixes with each release
cxo: wishes they would put this into production http://www.netcarshow.com/volvo/2007-s80_heico_concept/
Milyardo: I only use WINE for games as well, but times the performance is just horrible
Milyardo: I thought cxoffice would help
Milyardo: at least a little
Deanjo: It "could". It helped out on CnC3 here with the screen pausing for a second when moving the field of view
Deanjo: and it's not even a officially supported game
cxo: wants ati driver that works with fedora9
Deanjo: wants many subsystems replaced and / or overhauled
cxo: would also like to be fed now
michaellarabel: Deanjo: Did you ever hear from your contact about disabling screensaver on OS X through a command line option?
Deanjo: No I haven't yet, I fired off another email yesterday.
Ivanovic: woot, this was fast
Ivanovic: libdrm-2.4.1 out two weeks after 2.4.0
michaellarabel: Ivanovic, nothing too exciting though in that point release though, right?
Ivanovic: no idea
Ivanovic: just saw the tag in the git
redeeman: cxo: re: nt 5, why is it that it takes 35% of an amd64 2ghz to copy files over network, at 6MB/s?
redeeman: in xp
cxo: poor I/O handling? i dont know. If you are referring to what i said yesterday, that really has nothing to do with it.
redeeman: cxo: i realize that, im just asking because you might have some excuse as to why it won't even do more than 60% utilization of this 100mbit NIC
cxo: Actually i dont even know if thats poor. Because if i do that my cpu usage would go to 100% (on linux)
redeeman: well then i can safely tell you that your linux install is broken
cxo: could be, those damn ati drivers i tell you
redeeman: that's likely
redeeman: actually, this box has ati drivers aswell
redeeman: i know that winblows is useless for r8139 nic's
redeeman: regardless of the graphics drivers
redeeman: it's just so damn funny that it cannot even utilize it properly
redeeman: in fact, it's so funny i have it on video!
maligor: nt 5... win 2k?
cxo: 2mb/s network activity = about 10% cpu usage (just checked out system-monitor) (1ghz athlon)
redeeman: something is broken, but that's still considerably better than this
cxo: has a dedicated NIC for his jacknet server
maligor: what nick?
cxo: i know there is something wrong with it, because it doesnt come up as ethX, instead it comes up as devXXXX
maligor: that depends on the driver or udev
redeeman: that isn't really wrong
redeeman: you can name them as you see fit
maligor: marvell eh
cxo: i'm using the accton for the jack server
cxo: marvell is for internal lan
cxo: and nvidia is for outside barcol link
maligor: oh, never heard of that
redeeman: nvidia ey
cxo: accton? that's a big name
redeeman: well nvidia is crap
redeeman: do you use forcedeth?
cxo: i think so
cxo: and skge for the 3com/marvel
redeeman: forcedeth is known to be relatively slow
cxo: and rtl8xxx for the accton
maligor: can't see any accton products here, maybe they aren't sold here
cxo: well they were really big in the early 90s
cxo: but more known for switches/routers
maligor: ethtool -k dev shows you the hw features of things
maligor: err.. offload settings
maligor: might be interesting to check how they affect cpu load
michaellarabel: Deanjo: From Linux running within BootCamp, is there a way to detect that it's running within BootCamp from Linux?
Deanjo: Linux does not run "inside" bootcamp. Bootcamp is simply a loader like grub
michaellarabel: Ah, oops. Okay.
Deanjo: Basically it's apples version of elilo
schmichael: hi all, will getting a better gfx card make fullscreen hd on hulu.com play better for me?
schmichael: currently i have a 2ghz amd dual core with just a builtin geforce 6100
schmichael: running nvidia's binary drivers in debian unstable
Deanjo: Not really, do you have the latest version of flash installed?
schmichael: it plays ok
schmichael: my lcd's resolution is the max supported by my integrated gfx chip
schmichael: it definitely pegs one of my cores and easily gets a bit choppy if anything else is happening on my machine
Deanjo: That happens no matter what hardware you have
Deanjo: known issue with going fullscreen with flash. One of your cores will be slammed
Deanjo: I would just wait until they fix it
schmichael: well thanks for the tip Deanjo!
schmichael: i suppose waiting on them is cheaper than buying a new gfx card :-/
Deanjo: Ya, especially since it won't improve anything
schmichael: would it ever? say if i'm playing hd content in totem?
Deanjo: Nope, as of now there is no video acceleration in linux for HD content
Deanjo: All the grunt work is done on the CPU.
Deanjo: A faster CPU might make a bit of a improvement
schmichael: wow, so is it not possible to watch hd content on lower power machines?
schmichael: like an intel atom or something
Deanjo: Nope, not in linux right now, maybe able to play 480P HD on a atom
Deanjo: in windows
schmichael: one last question :)
schmichael: is there some magic acronym being added to X windows to fix this?
redeeman: atom shoukld easily be able to play higher than 480p
Deanjo: The benches that I've seen redeeman shows it dropping frames even when used with a ati or nvidia card in windows
Deanjo: @720 and up
schmichael: maybe i should just put things this way...
schmichael: whats the ideal setup for a linux based media pc?
Deanjo: back to your question, it maybe able to be done in the future with an ATI card with their blobs and quite possibly on a future nvidia card
schmichael: Deanjo: ah, cool
schmichael: whats the best cpu + gfx card + driver combo?
schmichael: i guess maybe gfx card & driver don't even matter
Deanjo: Right now, nothing really for HD
schmichael: so just aim for the highest ghz possible?
schmichael: on the cpu?
Deanjo: The nvidia cards will have less problems with screen tearing
Deanjo: Ya, CPU is key right now
schmichael: what about intel ... don't some of their higher end chipsets support hd offloading of some kind?
Deanjo: Not as of yet that I know of in linux, I don't look at intel IGP's truthfully
schmichael: yeah, despite intel being so open source friendly, i've never had anything but trouble with their X drivers
schmichael: nvidia's blob has always worked best for me
schmichael: better than ati's blob and the old open source ati driver
Deanjo: I wouldn't be surprised to see the 180 series from nvidia provide 264 acceleration seeing that it's available on the new Apple portables
Deanjo: in OS X
schmichael: ah, so its nVidia PureVideo that i should watch out for being added to their X driver
schmichael: Deanjo: cool. thanks for all of your help!
Deanjo: No Problem
redeeman: lol, the worst kind of morons trying to switch to linux is the types that knows abit, but thinks they know a whole lot
maligor: redeeman, yeah, I laugh at them... hey.. could you help me, dir doesn't work!
cxo: dont know what kind of linux that would be, dir has been in coreutils since forever
cxo: The Windows "experts" usually get frustrated with Linux easily, because they are immediately stripped of their "1337"ness on this very different OS and hate it
cxo: or they go and use gentoo
Deanjo: giggles at a person who speaks spanish to a person who speaks german in English trying to help each other out. Makes for some interesting reading
cxo: Deanjo, When i was in highschool i lived in Africa, in my class one year were 2 Ukranian girls on exchange, they could barely say two words in english, but they would attend my french class which was taught by a French speaking man in Xosa
cxo: So basically they were learning a language they didnt know, in a language they didnt know
cxo: But they were lethal, they kicked our butts at the end of the term
cxo: still remembers their names after all these years, Ena and Vitalena
cxo: also remembers wanting to bone one of them
Roberth: ser ut til at fritzl også hadde litt basement time med morra også:P
cxo: yeah... we didnt learn Norwegian in school, you might want to try english
michaellarabel: cxo: Norwegian is a great language
cxo: Neither do i live in Norway nor vegan, i cannot relate :)
Milyardo: I lived in Istanbul but I never learned Turkish ro Greek :(
Milyardo: I did learn Japanese while living in Japan though!
selfishprank: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~krh/wayland/ is it true this will replace X ?
Milyardo: waylong looks like a window compositor
Milyardo: not a replacement for X server
Milyardo: I just looked at wayland.c thoug
Milyardo: there are no comments at all in that source
michaellarabel: Milyardo: Wayland is also a mini server combined with the compositing manager
selfishprank: from http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~krh/wayland/tree/NOTES "Wayland is a nano display server"
selfishprank: seems this will replace bloated X
Milyardo: I doubt it
Milyardo: its proboly just a small server aimed at embedded devices
michaellarabel: I'll find out from krh shortly.
selfishprank: I heard intel and redhat want to replace X with it
michaellarabel: selfishprank: Where did you hear that from?
Milyardo: its compsitor does seem to be GEM based
Milyardo: its reallllllllllyyyy tiny though
michaellarabel: Milyardo: It relies on GEM and KMS
Milyardo: michaellarabel: Tell krh comments would be appreciated :)
michaellarabel: Yeah, already messaged him.
selfishprank: michaellarabel, heard it from a friend
Azerthoth: ah the wonders of git wine, you get updates between version changes
cxo: is just a country boy, money has he none
cxo: but i have silver in the stars and gold in the morning sun
cxo: just rolled 40k tracks on last.fm!
cxo: heh did you know the new S80 volvo has a heart beat sensor in the car part of the security system to warn the driver using the remote control if someone is hiding in the car or not :)
cxo: I can just picture the mob trying to jump some dude and then realise "Oh no, he has a Volvo S80, we cant hide in the car"
cxo: reminds me of that old IBM ad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mEojERizjc
cxo: haha another good one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmxPfZtV6w0&feature=related